Threads

Upward spirals of ideas and why quote tweets enable convergence

14 tweets · April 2020 · 106 likes · 7 retweets · read on Twitter

2 days ago, @SarahAMcManus tweeted an idea I'd had of a Star Wars fanfic where the Jedi council is Tantric (nondual, wild, sexually-integrated) instead of Sutric (renunciate, ascetic, celibate), etc Just over 24h later, @Timber_22 starts laying out a sketch of how this might go

Crooked Timbre @Timber_22 ·

Okay you guys I spent a cumulative 60 minutes brainstorming Tantra Jedis and jeez, I might make a creative writing alt Folks: I got some ideas and they are good

See a second chain, which begins here, and is largely actually a reinterpretation of the exoteric meanings of the sutric version (which of course IS a chunk of the basis of tantra)

Crooked Timbre @Timber_22 ·

@samvega_pasada Let me refine this a bit: "but the original mythos was good, and though my opinion of the prequel trilogy is... not favourable, I do like the *outline* of the Anakin redemption story" I actually think Lucas had all the ingredients for a great story in the prequel trilogy...

[long tweet — read the rest on Twitter]

This whole thing feels like such a lovely example of this kind of upward spiral positive feedback in the space of ideas, that Joanna Macy writes about on p99 of Mutual Causality. I mean, I had lots of examples already, but more are always welcome.

In the shower today, I was thinking about various projects I might take on, and I found something clicking into place like:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

I want to find the things that are worth doing & where it'd be harder   for me NOT to do them than to do them.

If we can find ways to plug our can't-not-do energy together into coherent wholes, amazing stuff will happen... ...not just effortlessly, but with *negative* amounts of effort! 🤯

For a long time I was getting myself to write using Beeminder, and while that worked & produced some brilliant pieces, it was *pushing*, rather than removing obstacles. Both Roam & Twitter remove obstacles, creating a positive feedback loop where writing begets more writing!

This thread itself is part of the positive feedback loop that happened from my Star Wars Tantra Jedi idea getting released & Tim building on it. In the process, I had an internal positive loop, writing a whole thread about the showerthought above.

But before I even got either of those threads published I got distracted by other tweets. Then over in this convo w @QiaochuYuan re evolution of twitter... I went to quote one of the above tweets in this thread... ...only to realize it was still in drafts

QC @QiaochuYuan ·

the custom search engines really do make a gigantic difference, for me opening up twitter search on desktop takes exactly five keypresses (cmd, t, t, w, space) so i can search for tweets as fast as it occurs to me to try, on mobile i have to navigate to search and it's agonizing

QTs (Quote Tweets) allow for a kind of CONVERGENCE that otherwise isn't possible. With almost all other media, things only diverge: chat, threads, tree-shaped nested replies, comments You can never pull it back together.

Twitter has a lot of room for improvement here too, to be clear. The convergence is still very sparse—only one QT at a time, no easy way to explicitly juxtapose 2+, to show parallel or paradox. Here's a hacky example of me doing it with screenshots

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@fortelabs Somehow I want to mash this tweet up with these two: twitter.com/fortelabs/stat… twitter.com/gordonbrander/…

My notes on designing such a feature into a convo platform: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo… If you're designing such a thing, consider yourself welcome—encouraged!—to incorporate my ideas! Credit is appreciated & moreover helps amplify the feedback loop!

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@QiaochuYuan I think that comment from @Conaw was incredibly visionary and also amplified the very shift he was pointing at, by causing us to recognize what was happening more clearly and explore it more consciously. (cc @visakanv) Positive feedback loops! twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/…

Further discussion of the huge impact a single tweet can have 👇

QC @QiaochuYuan ·

@Malcolm_Ocean @yoshikischmitz @visakanv @joyurge this tweet had a crazy outsize impact on how i use twitter it's nuts

I now have a blog post outlining a proposal for multi-quote-tweet / MultiQT—I think it'll be totally game-changing: malcolmocean.com/2021/11/twitte…

also QC has a thread about this here, which he came up with in parallel:

QC @QiaochuYuan ·

speaking of which, notice how awkwardly i had to use screenshots to get around the fact that i can't QT 3 tweets simultaneously which leads me to *my* feature request: multi-QTs. up to 4 at a time like images x.com/QiaochuYuan/st…

quoting @QiaochuYuan: multi-QTs - i want to be able to QT two or maybe more tweets at a time for contrast. people already do stuff like this with screenshots but that doesn’t allow linking