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The "bad is good, actually" psy-op and its religious roots

14 tweets · November 2023 · 397 likes · 47 retweets · read on Twitter

the worst psy-op of all time comes in many forms but reduces to "bad is good, actually"

once you've admitted 0=1 into your value system, you can use that to prove all sorts of ridiculousness in math: 0+1=1+1 ➡️ 1 = 2 10¹=10² ➡️ 10 = 100 i¹=i² ➡️ i = -1 in values: 😳 suffering is pleasure, actually 🚩 cruelty is love, actually ☝️ bullshit is true, actually

there's one version of this that has its roots in certain strains of christianity, maybe particularly calvinism but I recently heard that it goes all the way back to Luther and the protestant reformation

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

I've had some convos with people where they've described Calvinism as the source of a pernicious subtle meme that's something like "suffering is actually good and pleasure is actually bad" Can someone confirm & give context/source?

but of course part of this goes to the root of christianity as a shift from 🔴 good vs bad — power is good, weakness sucks ("might makes right") to 🔵 good vs evil — law & love is good, selfishness sucks (righteousness)

Aleksi Liimatainen @aleksil79 ·

@Malcolm_Ocean i want to say they unearthed something that was latent in christianity. acceleration more than introduction

and Nietzsche framed this in terms of master morality & slave morality (my fav source on this is this great long vid) youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk

and aspects of this are a psy-op BUT! the psy-op works in part because there's a way in which it IS god's will to shift from pure egocentric conquering into higher-order social systems (much as it is/was god's will to form planets, life, multicel life.,)

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

a godless universe could exist in principle but it isn't very likely to have evolved and if it did evolve it wouldn't develop life anyway sent tweet

and then there's a sense in which aligning with god's will, the dao, the meta-protocol, the upward spiral... creates harmony and flow but don't confuse that for the will of the church or whatever (and the church would love to have you confuse those)

Friend Tasshin @tasshinfogleman ·

"Permeating all is the law of God. Disobey it and you feel unhappiness: you feel separated from God. Obey it and you feel harmony: you feel close to God. As you live in harmony with divine law you will feel closer to and develop more love for God." — Peace Pilgrim

and in particular, @Morphenius and I recently noticed that a particularly pernicious flavor of psyop involves giving people attachment trauma and then calling disobedience from authority "disobedience of god" and then saying "that pain is sep from god"

Michael Smith @Morphenius ·

Coming to wonder if "pain of separation from the Divine" is a psyop. You can't separate. So what hurts? THINKING you're separate? I smell propaganda. Like the wrong thing gets blamed for the pain.

@Morphenius he and I are still early stages of workshopping these ideas—more to come! this other tweet is definitely relevant, though might need revising (maybe because "separate from god/universe" is actually an illusion/psyop)

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

seems like shame is the experience of being separate  from god   from ones' parents    from ones' peers     from the universe and the sense of wrongness/mistake about that (which can feel like "I fucked up" or "the universe is wrong")

@Morphenius stepping back from the "this childhood pain you experienced because adults were cruel to you is actually a sign you're disconnected from god" psyop to the original topic of the bad=good psyop QC has a great thread on this here:

QC @QiaochuYuan ·

one of the first things you learn when you start writing mathematical proofs is the principle of explosion: from a single false premise you can derive any conclusion, true or false. interesting to reflect on how this has shaped my thinking and orientation towards truth

want to make the world a better place? don't get confused into thinking you should do so by inserting pain in the place you can be most certain it matters, for the theoretical benefit for others who may not even notice

tess @xsphi ·

the sacrificecels don't want you to know this but one of the most ethical and pro-social things you can do it be happy

oh here is an awesome thread exploring this from a personal morality perspective (and talking about how the psy-op gets you) whereas mine is more historical and spiritual

Hazard @natural_hazard ·

there's lots of memes that try and turn people evil with a message of "there's no such thing as virtue, there is only vice" these memes are aided by the massive amounts of hypocrisy that exists. there's no shortage of people doing gnarly shit while trying to look virtuous

hmmmmm is this fact (insofar as it's true) upstream of or downstream of the "bad is good, actually" meme?

Darrell Epp @DarrellEpp ·

SIMONE WEIL: “Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring. Imaginary good is boring; real good is always new, marvelous, intoxicating.”

> too often in queer culture I get the sense of people wanting to tear it all down, to deny any distinction between good and bad, to forestall any examination of whether a choice is worth making so long as it transgresses

Jack @tracewoodgrains ·

Reflecting on this from the other side: I am gay, but I have never been drawn to the "queer community" this user sketches out. Why not? Its aesthetics are off. Its culture is off. It misses a crucial element. It is insufficiently beautiful, so I wander elsewhere. This will be