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"Cis" as slur, context, and ontological normativity

14 tweets · June 2023 · 509 likes · 10 retweets · read on Twitter

the hashtag #CisIsNotASlur reminds me of an older relative asking me what "cis" meant. he assumed it was a slur because the only time he'd heard it it was his kid angrily calling him that he didn't know the meaning, but he knew it was an attempt to invalidate his experience

idk the context of when his kid said "you don't understand, you're just a cis white man" but I know he's a kind man, who has been a peace activist and run workshops to stop bullying, so I'm sure he was trying his best to listen

the memetic environment had clearly convinced the kid though that anybody who wasn't on board with this particular ontology could be dismissed by labelling them othering people and shaming them until they adopt your worldview! ....will make you more enemies than you can count

meanwhile, no matter where the power comes from, if you have the power to silence somebody by calling them names—That. Is. A. Form. Of. Privilege. obviously that doesn't mean they don't also have other forms of privilege

we need to be able to say the obvious or we go crazy "cis" is OBVIOUSLY sometimes a slur "cis" is OBVIOUSLY sometimes not a slur ("slur" is a bad concept; it's about how the word is used) #CisIsNotASlur #CisIsASlur — both true

anybody on team "cis is never a slur", how do you account for this and the comments to it?

James Esses @JamesEsses ·

Yesterday, after posting a Tweet saying that I reject the word ‘cis’ and don’t wish to be called it, I receive a slew of messages from trans activists calling me “cissy” and telling me that I am ‘cis’ “whether or not I like it”. Just imagine if the roles were reversed.

anybody on team "cis is always a slur"... ...many people use it about themselves and their friends with zero charge plus here's a self-identified anti-woke person using it in a medical/technical context because it's a simple way to say what she means:

Jessica Pin @jess_ann_pin ·

The reason why the clitoris has been censored and misrepresented is because of how much it resembles a penis. Many cis women might have a mental block preventing them from seeing this. But surely trans men know it’s like a baby dick. Why aren’t they all over this advocacy?

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allowing everybody to say the obvious is hard. part of why this is is that that what's obvious to one person is absurd to another

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

different things are obvious to different people

people are going to see you how they see you, and try to call it how they see it and if the only alternative you can offer them obscures the obvious, they won't take it!

James Esses @JamesEsses ·

Me: I don’t recognise the term ‘cis’. Please don’t call me it. Trans activist: Tough. You can’t change who you are or how others see you. Me: Well…this is awkward…

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I have mixed feelings about "cis". I've used it a bit but on balance it feels to me kind of othering, so I mostly don't use it, and I certainly don't "identify as cis" (if you think this means I must be trans....... you are OBVIOUSLY committing ontological normativity)

ontological normativity is not going to work here guys nobody is going to win we need to find ways to work with a variety of fluid contextual ontologies and iterate towards better default/common/shared ontologies not impose our own on people who don't want that

somehow we've gotta live in this paradox

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

I'm allowed to have my own stories about you but that doesn't give me the right to impose them on you you're allowed to have your own stories about me but that doesn't give you the right to impose them on me (or, in either case, on the social scene around us)

while writing this thread, some searches led me to this post on a site trying to abolish gender altogether, written by a transwoman she quotes Simone De Beauvoir in great depth describing how power & normativity & othering interplay genderapostates.com/cissexism-and-…

I want to hoist this reply, which added: > So the question to ask is really: does it seem like a lot of people to whom the term applies *consider it* demeaning prima facie? > For “cis” the answer is yes.

Hi Fructose Lo Snark 🔍 @Losnark ·

@pythonandpanda @Malcolm_Ocean Most slurs didn’t start out that way. There’s a point where: A) The word is (or as viewed as) so often used as an insult that using the word = a red flag for *intent* to demean. B) People who wish NOT be insulting stop using the word. Great article here: astralcodexten.substack.com/p/give-up-seve…