kind of annoyed at the listiness of lists I have a list of playlists how do I put one in the attic where I'll forget about it then come across it in a few years?
October 2022
some fun 🤯 comments on this thread people being like "wait, all this via capitalism? capitalism isn't evil?"
I'm learning it's really valuable to be able to digest my experiences on my own, because sometimes if trying to do it with someone else there's way too much context to get to the actual "huh, how do I make sense of
showerthought: what % of the world's beds are empty on a given night? eg hotel rooms, guest beds, kids who've moved out, person sleeping at boyfriend's, gone camping...
totally bonkers that I can't just get spotify to give me a radio based on what I listened to on a particular day or week or month in the past
first section of this has useful stuff to say about the PCT<->Behaviorism synthesis I want to make a succinct take on the neuroscience of motivation & learning ift.tt/3yuCgkc
fucking bonkers that spotify won't let me filter a song radio based on something like bpm eg to get "tracks like this track but chiller", when it's bedtime
life integration suggestion: relisten to songs that used to resonate hard with the thing you were going through at the time and use that as an anchor point for feeling how your life feels different now "huh, I'm not in that situation anymore"
perspective-taking is a skill
type of guy who thinks of a pun that he knows will make a particular friend laugh in circumstances that are likely to occur ever, and sets a lil reminder to not forget about it forever
huh, my 2min electric toothbrush timer actually makes a great tiny concentration meditation container, with the sensation of the buzzing as the object I'm resting my attention on
looking at my YouTube video views like 56, 98, 35 and they're not impressive, or whatever but I'm just like "damn now 50 people have heard my rant about X? wow, scale!"
seems to me like the two co-create each other: - ostracization is created by concepts of good & bad - concepts of good & bad are generalizations on experiences of ostracization
I want a tiny clip recorder for recording thoughts while walking around without bringing my phone or holding anything. Seems like it should be easy & cheap to make, but all have bad reviews. Halp? $25 bounty if you find me a product <$100 I love
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"gifs" is a word
"onboarding" is a word
"walkthrough" is a word
Complice onboarding walkthrough, now with gifs!
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"vibing" is a word ofc
"derpy" is a word
people suggesting anything involving a phone didn't read closely enough. although I guess their responses might be useful for someone, and I do at times also record with my phone, so those responses aren't useless.
@Knipps I have that device although it suddenly stopped working one day and I could get the files off, and then a week later it started working normally again. but yeah maybe that plus a clip is actually basically what I want, thanks
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vid 49 - conversation + presentation sometimes it's easier to present a niche topic when vibing with someone else who also groks it! so that's what we did :)
@Coscorrodrift yeah I know, and I have, tho my point stands overall it's still just fascinating imagining all of those 50 people in a room while I'm talking, even if most of them vanish by the end
@tasshinfogleman reminds me of this tweet about blog post metrics focusing on small N big impact rather than overall readership
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"algorithmically" is a word (wow, surprised this wasn't in there yet!)
@benjimaan22 I know tho my point stands wrt bpm plus they should *also* be able to algorithmically rank chillness and let me filter by that
goddamn, where did the link go? cc @rmbalt & @strangestloop
@sullyj3 @visakanv noteworthy how they get more in the groove towards the end of it
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"hemispherically" is a word
@Aella_Girl yeah, afaik they're both left-hemispherically over-reifying & zooming in on their models rather than allowing all of what they don't understand to be in their awareness at the same time (LH vibe is very much "control the world and make predictions")
@fiddlemath oooh true! I don't though—your google is as good as mine, or we could ask @jasoncbenn if he knows where DFW said it
@PhiloTranquille @altsanabo @_inju I have a thread on this!
Retweeted @AskYatharth
more on “if you cannot make clear to someone why they should trust you, you are simply not trustworthy to them” it’s not…
@AskYatharth I like the double negative version: "you didn't deserve that shit" it doesn't mean you *did* deserve better. "deserving" is a bit broken as a concept. but it means you can stop wondering what you did to deserve whatever pain you're going through
@satori_nakamoto step 1. realize this:
@satori_nakamoto step 2. practice self-validation: (video)
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"blindspot" is a word
@deevbrain oooh, yup, a sense of needing to realign your frame with the external authority's frame in order to remain safe kind of the same sort of issue I talk about in my blindspot feedback thread
Retweeted @ricvolpe
@Malcolm_Ocean's signature is for me a turn + an inner body wave that seems started in a single point and almost independent…
@perception_surf how will the experiences you've had today be projected onto what happens in your future?
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@perception_surf how will the experiences you've had today be projected onto what happens in your future? …
@sashintweets @captain_mrs ah yeah, it's this thing: malcolmocean.com/2021/06/dream-…
@sashintweets @captain_mrs or as a video: youtube.com/watch?v=vyMexL…
@renderuntocaesa @visakanv mmm 😁 yeah the only thing I've surrendered to is this:
@alrightfineuwin sweet! if you do a thread about it I'll potentially add it to my meta-thread :)
@EyalShay2 that's what I'm here for 😊
really great articulation by @AskYatharth of something I've been meaning to write up re the dream mashups thing storing under [[how can I become an invalid target for whatever they’re projecting on me?]] for quoting or remixing
@petheth yeah I'm down. would love to among other things jam about some blockchain ideas I have and how feasible they might be and whether anyone's doing anything similar also DAOesque visions like my self-energizing meta-team concept
@ESpacewalk @EES_update woah wait what? what's the gist here?
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"woah" is a word
@TylerAlterman I'm here for this!
Retweeted @RichDecibels
some of my favourite ppl suffer from a debilitating brain worm that tells them "if it's obvious, don't post" I beseech y…
@RichDecibels duhh, anyone who read Impro knows that 🙄
@visakanv this is a huge part of why I continue to feel like Complice is super important even tho the bulk of my attention is on cultural evolution and collective consciousness setting goals matters
@visakanv they don't have to be numeric or deadline-based, but there are huge returns on increased clarity of wtf you're trying to do
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa yup, &
have you tried proving that the problem is impossible to solve?
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa maybe articulate the problem more and see if that shines any light on the solution
Retweeted @NathanpmYoung
Quadruple entendres thread dad bod - father figure (They are pairs of phrases where the words in the phrases are synon…
You have so many relationships in this life Only one or two will last You go through all the pain and strife Then you turn your back and they're gone so fast
So hold on the ones who really care In the end they'll be the only ones there And when you get old and start losing your hair Tell me who will still care Can you tell me who will still care?
Plant a seed, plant a flower, plant a rose You can plant any one of those Keep planting to find out which one grows It's a secret no one knows
Mmmbop, ba duba dop Ba du bop, ba duba dop Ba du bop, ba duba dop Ba du Yeah Mmmbop, ba duba dop Ba du bop, Ba du dop Ba du bop, Ba du dop Ba du Yeah Oh yeah In an Mmmbop they're gone Yeah yeah
Replying to @nat_sharpe_
@nat_sharpe_ you're even having them when you're awake too, just more constrained by your senses
(from a DM) > If there were some beacon of trust people could radiate and be assured of accurate reception, that couldn't be copied... that last part would be an issue that's the reason I talk about trust-DANCING. you can't simply BE trustworthy, it's a whole interactive process
@visakanv oooh yeah, harder but then it's self-correcting rather than sort of spinning off to random attractors (and dynamically self-correcting, not back to a static thing but towards the thing it most deeply wants to be. vid on this 👇) youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
Retweeted @visakanv
interesting conversation. struck by the succinct articulation that it’s harder to transmit a culture that requires its partic…
@fluxe_e @AskYatharth exactly "you didn't deserve X" is compatible with "nobody deserves anything, per se" & "deserving isn't really a coherent concept"
different things are obvious to different people
@ogdenparfit isn't it obvious? 😛 uhh I guess to paraphrase, trying to be clever ends up creating something that matches peoples' general concepts of clever, therefore feels unoriginal but you'll end up being original if you just say the obvious, because
@brundolfsmith totally. they're all real people on the other end
@natural_hazard @Morphenius mm yeah, I pulled it off as its own tweet:
Retweeted @normmacdonald
Neil, there is a logic flaw in your little aphorism that seems quite telling. Since you and I are part of the Universe,…
Replying to @eigenrobot
@eigenrobot @Morphenius this seems relevant to your work on memetics
Replying to @miraculous_cake
@miraculous_cake @etiennefd and unless it's lost, once invented something stays invented, and we get to share the knowledge of how to make it
@anikrisn @orpheaskk ooh I like the vibe of the site, yeah does remind me a bit of malcolmocean.com
> The question "how do you prevent bad actors from copying signals people use to decide whom to trust" is pretty relevant, and very knotty. you don't, you teach people how to trust their own BS detectors rather than overriding them
@PlayNiceInst "dumb for not talking" is a nice pun well let's talk then!
yo @interintellect_ @made_in_cosmos what if I ran a salon where we prototyped some training exercises for learning perspective-taking?
@EyalShay2 oooh yup. this new game is the thing! you might dig this video where we talk about our work on the project
@AskYatharth doop doop doop, I am the bookseeder
> Goldratt argues that there are no conflicts in nature and therefore in business there can be no conflicts – only erroneous assumptions. Therefore, we need to search out the assumptions upon which our conflict is based. source - v exciting: dbrmfg.co.nz/Thinking%20Pro…
@the_wilderless reminds me of my Work With Me page: malcolmocean.com/work-with-me
@sariazout very much vibes with my company, @CompliceGoals complice.co/about-the-team
Retweeted @sariazout
I like the term “artisanal SaaS” - a small and slowly-growing software company, built for the long-term
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus huh, I find this surprising. to me PCT/PP obviously make sense from a distance and then the question is "how much sense do they make under greater scrutiny?" but I'm not sure how to ask "what doesn't make sense about them?"
@coponder @interintellect_ @made_in_cosmos ahh v good. I was thinking about you briefly last night when I started musing about various projects I'd like to see happening in this sort of space (one of them being making a skill-tree & training for skills like this) and wondering who might want to work on them
@EyalShay2 @relic_radiation For a bunch more on this, check out René Girard. I have some tweets referencing him here: twitter.com/search?q=from:…
@Shadow_Rebbe @jambarree @interintellect_ @made_in_cosmos I have some vague ideas. The simplest would involve literally just pairing up & imagining what the other person's field of view looks like (ie your face). Then maybe asking questions about stuff you don't know, eg "what's behind your computer screen?"
@Shadow_Rebbe @jambarree @interintellect_ @made_in_cosmos Then could get into finding some multiplayer games or something, and debrief why you made the choices you did and what the world looked like from your vantage point. Or telling life stories or something.
Retweeted @TechEmails
Steve Jobs emails himself September 2, 2010
interesting take that's relevant to anyone thinking about the evolution of culture, what it was like before civilization, and how civilization emerged @visakanv, @reasonisfun, @Morphenius
When we enter an explicit social container (eg a therapy session, a karate lesson, etc) we agree on a set of roles and expectations. When the container ends, then what? What is our shared basis for interaction? the meta-protocol is whatever solves that malcolmocean.com/2021/11/meta-p…
testing
huh
twitter blue subscribers get editable tweets now apparently
fascinating
you can hide a whole thread in one tweet now
share a tweet you saw recently that made you smile
Retweeted @visakanv
is there any person or school of thought or whatever that begins with, “when you feel tired, do an inventory of your emotions…
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(kindred) "spiritness" is a word
@DRMacIver it's obvious to me that this is the thing to do if you've got billions the research, and the team of developers, and so on feeling a kindred spiritness with you here
@BlackForestBoi only for twitter blue subscribers (for now, maybe forever?) and only for the first halfhour (thank GOD) and only 5 times
yeah I'd tap that (source of courage in a time of great challenge)
this tweet is what it is
this tweet is not what it used to be
@aleksil79 @visakanv @reasonisfun @Morphenius great point! @JoHenrich's book The Secret Of Our Success says that since we evolved culture, most human evolution has been in service of optimizations that allow us to take better advantage of culture, some of which might not be very obvious in fossil records
@mattskala ah yeah, then we're back to this classic but of course (especially in innovative fields) there ultimately are limits to how much money can get a specific thing done in a specific amount of time see also the mythical man month
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wow, people are so bad at visualizing stuff the correct way to visualize the "good, fast, cheap; pick 3" in a triangle is to put the 3 items on the *edges*, and then each corner represents the extreme absence of the opposite edge, and you can represent every other possibility
this blackboard illustration is correct, although the "pick two!" seeming to be held up by little thingies is weird & distracting and the lines next to "good" etc feel like the suggest the opposite of what you want to suggest here
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"nerdsniped" is a word
"welp" is a word (it was formed the same way as "yep" and "nope"!)
one shitshow with editable tweets would be QTing something and then it gets edited whew, thank fuck it has at least a tiny pencil 👇📝
there were no adequate visualizations of the good+fast+cheap triangle, so I made one:
Retweeted @metaviv
The recent Twitter @birdwatch release is incredibly exciting! It is the first large-scale & public implementation of bridging-…
@metaviv @birdwatch whoa, fascinating & exciting my first question: is it specifically oriented towards left/right as some preconceived groups, or is it tracking bridging more generally?
@DanielleFong gotta go blue also apparently you can QT old versions—they get new permalinks when edited!!!
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"updatable" is a word tho I was initially inclined to spell it "updateable" but see "relatable" and "debatable"
Replying to @TetraspaceWest
@TetraspaceWest @DRMacIver yeah wow fascinating so you can intentionally go QT an old version if you want but there's no way to intentionally use QTs to embed something updatable (note that you CAN use a link to a site you control for that; you can force-refresh the preview!)
just try clicking me, I dare you
you can look but you can't touch
@hyponymous got it:
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probably the way I'd do it is with colors... but you have to make the gradient heavier at the edges (most color triangles put the primary colors at the corners)
welp, nerdsniped, here it is:
@robertskmiles ah, yeah, this is the way! and this is what I'm saying the good+fast+cheap triangle should be too here's my take, tho it's sort of 30° askew from the soil one
@robertskmiles wait no these are isomorphic I think! the soil one is just way easier to put markings on...
@robertskmiles wait, nope, they aren't. with the soil one, the total adds up to 100%. with the good+fast+cheap, the total adds up to 200% or maybe in other words you need to have at 100% total of crapness, expensiveness, and slowness
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Venkat knows the deal ofc, and has this great post outlining both "pick two" and "pick one" triangles. ribbonfarm.com/2007/11/22/vis…
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
there's still strange effect on Twitter, at least, here, where sharing what is obviously polished work tends to go nowhere,…
@nosilverv ooh nice, covers both the friendly and abusive cases
Thread · What actually drove the growth of Lex Fridman's podcast
@EyalShay2 it's not necessary nor sufficient, but the fact that he has the convos live in person with nice mics definitely helps I was enjoying a basically-unedited video call podcast convo recently and the guest's mic was really bad, and it was definitely a turn off
@EyalShay2 and it looks like he was doing that since podcast #1 (tho the mics have gotten nicer) youtube.com/watch?v=Gi8LUn…
@EyalShay2 also when I sorted his youtube from oldest to newest, I discovered that before he started those interviews, he'd posted 60+ videos, many of which were "quick insights": short edits of others' quotes the sort of thing that goes decently viral youtube.com/watch?v=yjOV3x…
@EyalShay2 and he'd also posted some famous people guest lectures at MIT, which have 100k+ views thus probably he had 100s or 1000s of subs before ep1 youtube.com/watch?v=9Z06rY…
@EyalShay2 but let's face it, he also had Elon Musk on for episode 18, and you don't get that through any amount of being a good interviewer. youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99v…
@EyalShay2 although interesting, after ep12 he posted this video of just himself, which has 1.4M views (idk how many were back then or more recently) so arguably he earned a bit of his attention via stuff like that too, idk youtube.com/watch?v=O5xeyo…
@EyalShay2 @JudiciaIreview @KaelanDon you get a different type of answer from a source that's supposed to be impartial than you get from a single person reflecting out loud on something that's so obvious to them that they've never put words to it
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@EyalShay2 @JudiciaIreview @KaelanDon you get a different type of answer from a source that's supposed to be impartial t…
NNTD doesn't have much to say about this whole phenomenon except that things are gonna be pretty fucked as long as this rule is top priority (which it often is)
and that this response is spot on. find ways to welcome everything, even things seemingly incompatible.
I'm on a livestreamed podcast with Eliot Red & @DanielTabakman starting right now! I'll be demoing my Internal Trust-Dancing process for them, among other topics. youtube.com/watch?v=a166Ny…
no protocol is adequate for the entirety of living life
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"perspectival" is a word
"baller" is a word
@JLBornstein damn that's fucking baller there would absolutely be a market for dogs trained to do this, tho if trained they'd maybe be all weird about it rather than naturally playful
fool—you have fallen for one of the classic blunders: confusing the representation for the thing itself!
@speakerjohnash the protocol of DNA is not the situated instantiation of DNA-based life
@CarstenStolz my framework: malcolmocean.com/2021/09/non-na…
@mykeels @PlaneHarvester You're welcome 🤣
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"tradeoff" is a word and it doesn't need a hyphen any more than "firetruck" or "cupboard" or "email"
@MatthewEGunter oh no, did I spread a bad meme? it does seem to me like there's a kind of truth to this, although someone pointed out recently that the tradeoff you make now can sometimes later be solved, with pendulum swings. it's clearly all relative ofc, and evolves.
@pablothee yeah very similar, mine is a "pick two" and this is a "pick one"
testing editing in a thread
if you can see this, it probably didn't work
yeah only editing for single tweets which is stupid—the most important place to be able to edit is in a thread, where you can't just delete and start over
@IgorBrigadir it does yeah
to enter the dark room, turn to page 23
you turn to page 23, entering the dark room you have been eaten by a grue
oh snap, the edit feature would dovetail really fascinatingly with a twitter choose-your-own adventure, because you could have a tweet like this that when you click it shows something else!
you turn to page 23, entering the dark room you have been eaten by a grue ☠️
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"imo" is a word
"holodeck" is a word
@nickredmark @algekalipso my remark is way more useful imo, because it says something about where the holodeck comes from
@shrinetothevine @visakanv @sharanvkaur definitely not. nonsense
@mattskala 45 mins later, I finally finished this:
yes guys, that triangle obviously doesn't apply to everything. in many situations, you can't get good <whatever> for any price or wait-time. many other things are never cheap. this triangle happened because of this related tweet: twitter.com/VinceFHorn/sta…
@MaxCaspar_ not about to watch it, want to post a summary? either just the list of stages, or make each one into its own tweet—could be useful for QTing like this thread is:
@robertskmiles have you tried remixing the problem until it helps?
@aphercotropist haha thanks yes my bad good=yum/yes & bad=yuck/no don't have this issue, more like good-vs-evil
@ted_rau @JohnStokvis @RichDecibels eh I wouldn't call you self-absorbed per se. at least no more self-absorbed than 90% of people are
@coponder @interintellect_ @made_in_cosmos oooh nice, yep, love it. exactly the sort of thing I have in mind, tho not sure how to sketch salience landscape
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus cool. appreciating the disclaimer haha. indeed, what I was asking about was what they looked like to you from a distance, and you've conveyed that to me! (this is helping me understand peoples' responses to McGilchrist too) so, success on that level—go team!
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"phenomenologically" is a word already good: "phenomenon" "phenomenology" "phenomenological" surely another suffix is fine 😛
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus as one next step, I'm curious if you agree/disagree with these claims (including 6,7,8 not in below tweet). to me they seem true as investigated phenomenologically and if you agree, what do you think a better source would be and if you disagree, why?
@JakeOrthwein @Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus Jake when you say you're "also confused", are you saying "like David, I also think PP/PCT doesn't make sense" or saying "like Malcolm, I also am confused that David thinks PP/PCT doesn't makes sense"?
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus They're vague because compressed into a tweet, but they seem quite clear/precise in the theory! Powers (original author of PCT) is in my experience fairly balanced about having lots of open questions but having some sense that his model is better than anything that came before
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"limitedly" is a word
"ambiently" is a word
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus PCT emerged in part as a critique of behaviorism, and frankly I think part of why it remains limitedly popular is that it's still ambiently oriented towards explaining how confused behaviorism is, and still has a kind of underdog vibe about the whole thing.
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus I'd be interested in knowing roughly what you think underlies human motivation, neurologically or on whatever other level of abstraction. Maybe it dovetails with PCT, maybe it'll be subtly behaviorist and then I'll be able to apply the PCT critique to it, maybe something else!
@Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus So the PCT folks have some specific demos you can play with, that seem to me extremely conclusive that their model is onto *something*. Many are geared towards rejecting behaviorist models in particular. mindreadings.com/demos.htm
@kalinh ahhh, yes, if you're actually strictly picking two (vs a linear combination) then the arrows should point towards the corners tho then the arrowheads would be faded out. I'm using the arrows to highlight the ~axes
@Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus "no one has taken behaviorism seriously since 1952" is a major citation needed 😆 and even if true in some sense, a lot of people still think in ways that imply behaviorist paradigms! CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is based on behaviorism and widely practiced today
@Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus fwiw, behaviorism is clearly *also* onto something—clicker training clearly works really well to train skills & habits, as long as the target behaviors don't create conflicts with other needs / control systems!
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"phlogiston" is a word even tho phlogiston is not a thing
@RobertHaisfield @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus true, *but* the PCT view is essentially that the whole concept of "reinforcement" is backwards much the same sort of backwards as "phlogiston" thus the use of the notion of "reinforcement learning" has behaviorism baked into the frame
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"mindblown" is a word if "windswept" is a word, which it is
@RobertHaisfield @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus and even years after first getting mindblown by PCT I found myself talking in terms of "not wanting to reinforce something" and realized upon closer inspection that this pointed at an error/confusion in my thinking
@RobertHaisfield @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus another way to put all of this is that capital-B Behaviorism was a niche theory that lasted less than a century, but it was a codification of some much older underlying assumptions about how motivation works, that are still with us, and PCT is questioning these
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus Hm. Okay, so what's your basis for dismissing "goals" as "mentalist metaphysics"? This is a negative claim but it's still a claim to know something about the topic. (To be clear, I agree that CEV & other rationalist approaches to motivation are confused)
@gTerton not sure I follow, care to elaborate?
@RobertHaisfield @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus and I guess what I would say is that whatever is going on neurologically, PCT is a better overall paradigm than what most people have, and so you might as well upgrade your implicit beliefs about motivation, since you use motivation all the time internally & in modelling people
the meta-level assumptions about how cultures need to interoperate that everyone would converge on if they were trying to converge on...
the meta-level assumptions about how cultures need to interoperate that everyone would converge on if they were trying to converge on...
looking for a term to refer to the typical way a given person often ends up getting distrusted like I often come off as sunnily naive (& somewhat am, but not necessarily in the way someone thinks!) other examples: "attention whore", "creep", "slacker" "neg-archetypes"?
Retweeted @the_transit_guy
Someone said “just a little reminder that its your parents first time living too” and that mentally wrecked me.
Retweeted @NorthernAndrew_
Is there a global circumcision reconciliation day? Maybe the real pandemic was humanity mutilating their young boys fo…
@meekaale there's a quote that I thought I got from @conaw (maybe originally Paul Graham?) about how you need to get your ideas out into the world because a mind not releasing ideas is like an engine with a clogged exhaust pipe: it stops working @andy_matuschak? my search failed
where I'd use it in a sentence is like, if someone distrusted me in a direction I'm regularly distrusted, I might say something like "yeah, rose-tinted glasses is one of my <>s" "that's one of my neg-archetypes" "that's one of my shadow sides" "that's a common distrust of me"
@mattgoldenberg the tweet is pointing at the question, not exactly asserting anything it seems clear to me that they exist and figuring out what they are is the main thing I'm working on as Jordan puts it youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
Retweeted @utotranslucence
I would read the shit out of a book that case studied key decisions and their outcomes, but for families Decided to:…
@waxingarcane @utotranslucence Whoa, cool!
@Juan__Akira oh of course! it changes eventually. many things that are cheap now used to be impossible like strawberries in winter or pencils & paper or lighters
@MatthewEGunter if you want a particular kind of results within a short period of time, you might have to pay a lot for it whereas if you don't care about the quality of results, you can often get them quickly for cheap etc. applies in various domains, they just have different shapes/edges
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
there's a certain habit of mind that Alexander Technique explicitly unwinds that I think is at the core of AT's value the…
@AskYatharth dude it's amazing I almost tweeted that at you already but iirc I got distracted by your banger tweets and forgot
@carmenleelau check out Ideal Parent Figure protocol / attachment repair. very powerful stuff for this
Anyone who saw this and didn't send it to me is fired 🙅♀️ It's right at the intersection of two of my main interests: twitter/design and bridging perspectival divides.
@jambarree oooooh I like that!
@mary_bajorek thx for word vomit!
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"thx" is a spelling for "thanks"
while waiting for @joyurge to show up to our zoom call, I summoned a few minor demons through the screen turned out it was just my own reflection actually youtu.be/78nDHRHdKM4
feature request for @googledocs: give me 5 extra custom styles here, that can also be hotkeyed could just use the ctrl+alt+4 etc for... oh!! oho, if you use those hotkeys to generate Heading 4, Heading 5, Heading 6, now you get to custom-style those!!
still, I think it would benefit from not having to be framed as "header" ahh, and you're still stuck with these being block-level elements—you can't use them to style just one word in a paragraph
@robertskmiles sure, for the headers themselves but there's no reason I shouldn't be able to have custom per-doc hotkeys (or shared among all my docs) for applying a particular kind of inline formatting that the app supports color, size, boldness, font, etc
I was showing my dad some DMs and he asked what the fire reacji means, and the best translation I could think of was "fuckyeah" 🔥 other suggestions?
wow I really have been at this for awhile from an article I wrote in 2012 on my experience of my smartphone failing to interface with me as it was supposed to I don't remember this *incident* each time I design, but I was right: I didn't lose the spirit.
here's the article: The Emotional Intelligence of a Smartphone malcolmocean.com/2012/01/the-em…
this tweet brought to you by reading Nguyen's "Trust as an Unquestioning Attitude" which makes the claim that it's common, natural, and appropriate to feel betrayed when objects don't work as we trust them to I feel so seen 😂☺️
we are all figuring out culture
😅 "the bad news is I just tweeted a dozen tweets from your account... ...the good news is they're all bangers" 😎 — me to @RichDecibels in a dream I had just now
"no worries if you're not interested, but do let me know a clear yes or no within a few days so the ball is back in my court to find someone else."
i literally don't know how I would THINK if I couldn't use words that get a red squiggle under them just now "relatedly" got highlighted. what?!?
don't EVER let anyone tell you you write too much if something you've written is too long for people to read but it helps you clarify your thinking, it's exactly what it needs to be! ...you might ALSO write something shorter, but that's ultimately writing MORE, not less 😘
baller 1min audio from WakingUp app I want lil meditations like this inside Complice 🤩 ift.tt/rU3Ih8B
I hereby release the above tweet into the public domain 😆
@nvpkp it was a professional/friend thing haha and it was included in the original message, not added after a wait I was asking someone if they wanted to do a particular kind of personal development practice with me weekly
also this wasn't a dating situation haha hadn't even thought of that
@eashankotha ahh, yeah, agreed! in slack, where 💪 also exists as a reacji, it also has a "fuckyeah" quality for me and I probably use 💪 a bit more for "fuckyeah, you nailed it" 🔥 a bit more for "fuckyeah, awesome thing happened"
@loopholekid say the obvious again
@visakanv my gloss of how to do this in a way that feels like fun rather than drudgery is "find the places where there's an obvious interesting reply you can make that feels exciting to make" (even if it involves stretching to explain something anew)
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @visakanv first thought is the actual Q is just whether it's interesting to you if something is obvious to you & also interesting to you, probably good but sometimes I see a tweet & I have an obvious reply & I'm like "fuck but then if someone replies to *me* then I'll have to talk abou—
every now and then I just open Facebook Messenger and look at all the lil online faces at the top and feel happy to know such interesting people and to be still a lil connected to all of them even if we haven't talked in years
I do not think it wise, though it is perhaps sometimes necessary, to have the courage to make decisions but it is wise to have the courage to allow decisions to make you
Retweeted @add_hawk
I just won the runner-up Sanders Epistemology Prize for "Trust as an Unquestioning Attitude"! It's a paper about how trust is…
ok hear me out: meta-people-watching find some people who are people-watching and eavesdrop on them
@the_wilderless I like @meditationstuff's "layering" model. I also (inspired by him) talk about tangles. @DougTataryn talks about "feeling-beliefs" which I also like
Sure seeing a lot of retweeted tweets these days
@TylerAlterman Sky before screen
Replying to @ThanksThoth
@ThanksThoth Gotta be show not tell about this stuff And look for the people who are showing, not telling
@CurtTigges @CXGonzalez No. Most people you want to date don't live in SF, but that's true for any city. Fortunately you don't need to date most people! visakanv.com/blog/most-peop…
@MausRicochet @abrasaxjones @selentelechia I have a crown that is getting sensitive again and I was told it would probably need a root canal at some point, please advise
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia Epic video of guy pointing out that most people's teeth were straight centuries ago (because they chewed and swallowed properly?) Unlike evopsych, we can see it in the fossil records!
Replying to @ruth_hook_
@ruthhook_ @gptbrooke Explain immunohaplotype in a tweet plz. Can I look mine up with my 23andme?
@visakanv You are breathing me now This heart must find a way To give birth to my song As an eternal taste of today 🎶 youtu.be/yFM6N1vsRFM
Doesn't make any sense Inappropriate, really Sounds unhealthy
@Chaucer2616 @RichDecibels @smallkewlhuman @DougTataryn also has a cool paper on this, there's a pdf somewhere Muscular Interference Theory of Repression
@smallkewlhuman I would like to subscribe to updates on dis
whittling text down to fit a word limit feels a bit like packing a suitcase
found myself at a magic show that was mind-blowing to 5-7year-olds and kinda meh to me but it was worth the admission price as an exploration in anthropology and in seeing how my own attention could get captured
being on the same meta-page ie being on the same page about the ways in which you are/aren't on the same page
just went to write "clearness" (re a state of mutual understanding) but then I like "ah we have a word for that: 'clarity'!" and then I remembered my "is a word" thread & wrote "clearness" …which, it turns out, is already in the dictionary for its *literal* meaning (eg glass)
but I think "clarity" here felt like it would sort of imply "on the same page" and I was trying to point at us not even knowing what page each other is ON. like I didn't even know if there *was* a disagreement or conflict.
I love when the moon is brighter than the streelights
I love when the moon is brighter than the streetlights
I initially typed "streelights" which is not a word and I noticed it while the tweet was sending, and I was like "oh I can edit this!" which is my first using of the feature for its intended purpose but again, still doesn't work w threads so 🤷♀️
okay, this is a tweet, in its unedited form. I am gonna experiment with it
I am sending this reply before editing the tweet
editing after reply didn't work even though I'd already pulled up the UI. I guess it's a thread now
this is a tweet that is gonna get edited almost immediately
this tweet was edited for testing purposes (work with the garage door up)
this is a reply to the edited tweet
ahh hm I don't have the power with the api tool I usually use, to test this but basically I wanted to try replying to the *original* tweet: {"in_reply_to_status_id": 1579188425722585089}
@ToonAlfrink depends on what you're doing people might be sad if you propose doing a thing and then you say "actually I don't wanna do it with you" especially if they find out you're doing it with someone else later
instead of pushing through the resistance what if I allowed the resistance to push through me?
I feel like it'd be fun tho hard to make one of these grids for the kinds of puzzles I'm investigating (stuff around culture, trust, psychology, motivation) keywords: recent breakthroughs, currently unsolved, easy, assume someone knows, look up
the skill of not taking things for granted 🎶 "don't it always seem to go... 🎶 that you don't know what you've got til it's gone" it do be like that if you don't have this skill! but it's a learnable skill! nobody's condemned to helplessly take everything for granted forever
@visakanv @benefic_venefic in a nutshell, good brother is taken for granted what the good brother wanted was to not be taken for granted visa is afaict annoyed that people take things for granted
Replying to @sashachapin
@sashachapin @Morphenius batsign
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"grift" is a word let's put "grifter" & "grifting" in the dictionary while I'm at it
"apologizer" is a word (you might think it'd be "apologist" but that has different vibes)
"sus" is a mildly sus word but it's a word
@visakanv maybe people sorta think everyone is running a grift, so they see honest people as just more successfully hiding it, therefore less trustworthy tho if you were really consistent about this distrust you'd notice that nothing stops an apologizer from running grift #2
"apology" originally meant "defense, justification" it was a move of accepting that you'd wronged the person but explaining why it wasn't really so bad or why you had no other option
in a healthy conflict-resolution context it's very important for someone who wronged someone else to be able to convey their own perspective on the whole situation and be heard about it, though usually AFTER proving they see what it was liked for the person they hurt
apology is not other than justification
a dictionary is a device to be used to understand the meaning of the word when the ordinary method of learning it from context fails
"irregardless" is a word but it's a shitty word — kinda confusing and etymologically broken I wouldn't use it
but I don't waannna eat my legibles 😩
Thread · YouTube search fails at relevance, and what exploring vs finding modes need
yo @YouTube your search function is EMBARRASSING I just tried to find my own video "The Evolutionary Universe Becoming Aware of Itself" and I searched [malcolm ocean evolutionary] and it wasn't in the results if you can't even match channel+title... youtube.com/watch?v=uXfmn8…
it would benefit search engines a lot to be able to easily toggle modes between - "I'm exploring, show me what you got" - "I'm looking for something in particular I remember seeing" oh wait I noticed this already:
for youtube in particular, I think that the "exploring" mode should maaaaaybe favor popular videos over closer matches it claims it's already sorting by relevance 🤨 oh yeah? THIS 👇 is a more relevant result? no "malcolm" here. y u think I use that term? youtube.com/watch?v=wHAGeO…
meanwhile it showed THIS 👇 video, which... has 1.1M views & doesn't mention ANY of the keywords I searched for. you're sorting by "relevance"? BULLSHIT. seriously is there a product designer at YT willing to have some integrity and rename the sort algo? youtube.com/watch?v=IXyP-H…
like I kinda get if for profit reasons you're required to feed us shit that's not what we looked for. it's slimy and evil but sure, you've got incentives but please hide an ACTUAL "relevance" sort under filters, and call the default one "default" or something
but also, in terms of profit, I PAY FOR YOUTUBE. you can't make more money by selling me more ads! and I would pay several times more if you built a version that didn't just not have ads but actually was built with me in mind as a customer
at some point I'll do a full "what if we made youtube good tho?" rant (probably as a video 😅) but now is not that time. this rant occurred because my work flow was disrupted by it being hard to find my own goddamn video, and I'm going back to that 😤
Dawkins' "blind watchmaker" analogy for evolution being purposeless is AWFUL 3 times over: 1. "blind" doesn't mean "purposeless"; any watchmaker is purposeful 2. the watch WAS designed, so assuming it was designed is correct! 3. design IS evolutionary!! #EverythingIsARemix
@sashintweets nah, reality is all the stuff's on youtube. I mean someone could make that but that'd be like saying "better new york that makes it easy to migrate all your friends" like sure but uhh what about the rest of new york?
@xuenay ah true I also do this tbh
@fluxe_e that is indeed alarming but also twitter android app is worse than twitter mobile, imo can't interlink because can't search while composing tho also using twitter on your phone at all is often a bad idea
@sashintweets it's this old thing. I usually just use it to tweet from @compluvi on command-line github.com/sferik/t
@visakanv mostly just gonna say my usual thing which is to focus on nurturing people's self-trust and encouraging them to trust what they trust and distrust what they distrust, and respect others' doing so if people can dialogue from there, they don't need a leader/arbiter!
@visakanv this is related to this paradox/koan 👇 and to how at a global scale we need something like John Bunzl's SimPol (Simultaneous Policy) which is what NNTD would be if it were for geopolitics—it solves the "global markets, no global governance" problem
Retweeted @visakanv
how do you encode inspiration & clarity into people, relationships, environments, such that the founder doesn't need to be in…
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa "account doesn't exist"... doesn't say suspended... did he delete the tweet and change his handle?
@alt_visa ah looks like he deactivated his account
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa I'd like to hear more about how you felt (and what you thought) when you read this tweet. I found some related stuff by searching your twitter, and I can kinda guess, but... it's super low res, without the context iow plz
@QiaochuYuan I got a ton out of this math thread without being someone who would have a book recommendation or whatever math is sacred yo
@strangestloop sex is the the multi human collective intelligence ...I feel exposed😳
@DanielTabakman yeah seems about right and then the two main insecure modes are two different kind of default-failures?
@aleksil79 turns out it was actually a response to a theist saying "existence of beings like animals and people are too complex to be an accident — if you saw a watch you'd infer the existence of a watchmaker" and Dawkins was like "yeah but the watchmaker is uhh blind"
Replying to @arachnocapital2
@arachnocapital2 @TurtlingB @maybegray I had some turkey and a completely bonkers amount of pie this weekend
@SurenVynn that's good actually
@SurenVynn disguise = bad synguise = good go home malcolm ur drunk
@imkpats thanks dude, I try!
@Morphenius @sashachapin whoa, that summary very much feels like the closed-loop superorganism thing
Retweeted @justavagrant_
I wonder in how many domains “Meta-x” is what you actually care about. For example, I think in relationships, one of the…
Retweeted @Morphenius
This is an awesome map of The Thing from a diff angle than I default to. If you really GROK this, you grok memes. And vice…
Retweeted @visakanv
@Malcolm_Ocean @mattgoldenberg sketch of some of mine: people are people (do not dehumanize people) change is possible coope…
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"ontologically" is a word
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus oh! PCT has a concept of goal that is not a proposition any more than a perception is a proposition (in fact, PCT's goals are basically the same type, ontologically, as perceptions!) a PCT-style goal is a perception that your behavior attempts to bring about.
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus now, you might *describe* the goal in words, just as you might describe a perception you're perceiving in the present in words but the words are always just a pointer
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus I do agree that most attempts to do AI safety ARE confused about "goals" in precisely the way that you say though! but yeah, my tweets above are why I responded like this to your top-level tweet:
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus overall I see evolutionary approaches to cognition & motivation (like PCT) as a potential partial solution to the puzzle of figuring out in what sense goals/values exist since they're clearly in some sense part of *gestures around* even if they aren't what we think they are
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus PCT addresses this → in this case one or both of these happened: - the goal was in conflict with some other goal, which put the brakes on and stopped it from being achieved (well-known in therapy) - the goal was reorganized in service of some higher-level goal (improv)
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus you can't ever find the goals in an absolute or permanent sense there are intrinsic reference levels, eg staying fed, watered, right temperature, etc but the goal hierarchy is an evolutionary process, and at the top is your paradigm(s), not static but evolving
@gTerton ah cool! "TA" means something like "being such"?
@FluidityAudio @everytstudies ah yeah maybe. like Chloe there is sort of just linking "non-naive" and "trust" without actually accounting for why "non-naive" is there intriguing that it uses the same word as the cat couplings post: "naive"
@DougTataryn @smallkewlhuman @Chaucer2616 @RichDecibels Doug you said in Toronto that you'd done some preliminary studies that could predict mental illness or mood or something from patterns of muscle tension or something like that... any docs on that? it seems like it'd be fascinating to follow up on!
Replying to @impartialpim
@impartialpim @tasshinfogleman @jboy @ungatedcreative @sc_sager @p_millerd @made_in_cosmos @nibrasibn @RichDecibels @xuenay @jonnym1ller @AskYatharth @reasonisfun @uberstuber @m_ashcroft my take on the whole thing well, the not-particularly-whole thing (is a thread)
@tasshinfogleman @impartialpim @jboy best not to mention it by name—the name is over-reified!
Retweeted @AskYatharth
if you know what the right thing for you to be doing is, and you’re not doing it, 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @AskYatharth "willingness not to know" reminded me of this
if you think you disagree, find the thing it must mean in order to be obvious it's self-evident when you look from the right angle
this is one of the most pragmatically useful AND most enlivening/heartening realizations I've grokked highly recommend meditating on it until it becomes obvious
btw I think the thing to do here is to first just write out the connection explaining it to someone who DOES have the existing models as context then unless it'll cause a disastrous misunderstanding, just publish anyway! (with a short summary of each at the start, or not even)
@DRMacIver I am super interested in this and would love to read your cohered single thing, written as if I'd read all of the books
@Morphenius @strangestloop almost sounds like a dope rap
@rophov a few days ago, for people with twitter blue, only on web (or mobile web)
Thread · Recursive koans about rules, decisions, and meta-negotiation · 1 of 15 tweets
click through for this one:
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa oh interesting, right, so it's very umm... people are very subject to it, it's just taken for granted that that's how things (well, people) are like various slavery apologists explaining why it was the natural order, back in the day
@mattgoldenberg yup, which is why Jordan & I call this the meta-protocol. it is always ever fully meta and incomplete "how to agree on the agreement process" reminds me of my thread of koans that are all attempting to jolt people into seeing the meta-protocol puzzle:
@mattgoldenberg I have some half-sketches of an existence proof of there being a single convergent meta-protocol, but there's a good chance it wouldn't turn out to be adequately rigorous if I fleshed it out it does seem that way to me though, having stared at it a fuckton!
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(self-)"rederivingly" is a word this is one of my absurder constructions, but I like it a lot
@mattgoldenberg but it does need to be sufficiently meta! and most introductions to the meta-norms are first going to be learned as object or meta-1, rather than fully recursively self-rederivingly 🔄 based on 👇 I believe @Morphenius is tackling this part of the puzzle! youtube.com/watch?v=NeN34r…
@alt_visa I'm... curious what people holding this worldview think about people who have nothing to do with the whole system in the first place (eg me). where do they fit? the worldview feels a bit pre-international or something pre-contact-with-other-worldviews, maybe. kegan 3, not 4
PCT folks (@EvadeHullu, @warrenmansell, @IAPCT) where are places where PCT makes different predictions from the latest post-behaviorism reinforcement learning models?
@DharmaRational @xuenay @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus I made a new place to discuss that, since it seems like its own centerpoint as a topic and I wanted to tag the PCT folks in, who don't necessarily have all the context for *this* convo encouraging everyone to go over here to discuss plz 👇
@made_in_cosmos @interintellect_ could try it. I want to start with much simpler stuff, and I think preferably stuff that isn't tinged with the idea that perspective-taking is something one *should* do, which shows up a bunch around gender
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa ah yeah, wow. trevor noah vibes for sure what makes it so illegible? is it usually legible via name?
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa ohhh, so it's the fact that you were raised with no concept of any relation to the thing, therefore you don't act in any ways, even subtle, that would give off signs? fascinating
@AskYatharth @abhayance yeah I mean of course obviously PCT & Coherence both make this abundantly clear also eventually "right thing" kind of dissolves, at least in the way it was previously conceived "right thing" is usually still steering to please the parent/teacher or otherwise avoid punishment
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"comms" is a word and has been for a century
@AskYatharth @abhayance one weird corollary of the this is that the desire to have there be a right way to do it sometimes amounts to a victim stance, because it allows you to say "but I did it right?! why didn't it work!?" I mostly point at this re trust-building/comms, but it applies everywhere
there's no right way to do it there's no wrong way to do it there's simply what works in context and what doesn't work
@AskYatharth you're usually treating some part of yourself as not-me, in this circumstance, as well "I keep doing this thing even though I know it doesn't make sense! 🤬😫" says a part that isn't the one doing it in the first place. ...it makes some sort of sense to the part that's doing it!
@AskYatharth @m_ashcroft this is a good remix of some of your stuff
I heard a(n old?) take on "rational" today that I kinda liked, from John Vervaeke something like: a rational person is someone we can count on to cultivate their character with integrity, over time some connection with "reason" there, and temporally-interconnected identity
@TheOceanWithAnO @AskYatharth it actually doesn't imply that no matter how literally you take it the "if" arrow only goes one way. it says nothing about: - situations where you don't think you know what the "right thing" is - situations where you ARE doing what's labelled "right"
Replying to @alt_visa
"mindset choice" is a confusion malcolmocean.com/2021/11/mindse…
I've since written probably another 10k words, mostly more org plans & stuff about about the meta-protocol
Retweeted @visakanv
"world is too huge self is too... *makes smooshing-own-face gesture* friend is right there can help friend" – @Malcolm_Ocean
@visakanv you've got yourself to thank for this (in part) because it's by your example and explanation that I started tweeting things for the purpose of functioning as reusable pithy QTs
@mattgoldenberg you make a good point tho that I didn't address! two non-interacting groups could converge on different stable points but then if they interacted deeply, they'd evolve their assumptions in order to interoperate with each other, thereby even better approximating the meta-protocol
@DRMacIver so much of my writing gets blocked based on feeling like I need to summarize other ideas first (mine or others), and it's liberated a lot for me to let go of that and just write for a really small (even hypothetical) audience
seriously, start the piece of writing with "So, given that you're also familiar with X, Y, and Z..." so that even if no such reader exists, you're clearly writing into a frame that takes for granted that whoever is reading it IS familiar with X,Y,Z
@DRMacIver another tidbit:
@TheOceanWithAnO @AskYatharth oh true, I just denied modus tollens, my bad 😆 but I'm having a bit of trouble following why you're saying "we can't negate b". seems to me we can absolutely negate b! if it's the right thing to do, you're either doing it (¬b) or you don't know it's the right thing to do (¬a)
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"modus tollens" is two words "modus ponens" is too they're Latin but they're part of English now too
@sharanvkaur @alt_visa almost couldn't remember but then I looked at the original tweet and reconstructed my thought process `mad scientist` the result turned out way better than I expected—I thought I'd just get someone playing with test-tubes or something ("designed in a lab")
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa oof, yeah probably triggering a lot of "not fair" reactions, that then get metabolized into contempt through the usual envyase enzymes
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"envyase" is a word I formed through the usual morpheme+suffix process ("X-ase" means "enzyme that breaks down X") but it's a bit of a stretch and maybe should be envase? enviase?
@TheOceanWithAnO @AskYatharth but anyway, I broadly stand by the modus tollens version too, which doesn't imply you're always doing the right thing (although I've seen a viewpoint from which this is also true in some sense) thanks for walking me through it!
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus Ah, very satisfying to figure out where a difference in perspective is and clarifying it!
@andrewglynch for me it's basically zero well, about 3 meters I love working from my bedroom then I go for walks without needing to GO anywhere
@visakanv insofar as psychedelics increase connectivity between different parts of peoples' brains, would it be accurate to say the collective nervous system is tripping balls rn? (and will be indefinitely unless global infra breaks down)
May your tears of relief fall like gentle rain May your grief flow like a river after a storm May your anger ignite passionate understanding May your surprise release laughter May your joy trick gravity into letting go for a moment May you experience a vibrant life on your terms
@Cantide1 some ideas:
Retweeted @zencephalon
Discard cynicism, it takes far more intelligence to imagine positive futures and to understand how things went wrong despi…
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"unfixable" is a word
Replying to @carinmariederry
@RebeccaMadison_ I'd do my best to help people sort who will be who, to get more of the 1st kind of customers & fewer of the 2nd! & warn ppl so they can take the bet consciously. Unless the ratio is so bad that it's clearly net negative and unfixable, in which case I'd find the courage to stop.
@RebeccaMadison_ ahh, reading your examples, I see the conundrum. I'd assumed it was something much more niche, that if I didn't sell it it wouldn't exist at all (this is how I roll) but w porn/booze, *me* not working in the industry doesn't stop people from being harmed, except infinitesimally
@RebeccaMadison_ this is a roughly molochian problem though—"if I don't do it, someone else will" you might get a ton out of reading this classic essay slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/med…
Replying to @carinmariederry
@RebeccaMadison_ ah yeah and many/most of these industries aren't fixable because they wouldn't be profitable without their most addicted customers
@m_ashcroft "piece", "post", "writeup"
@nosilverv 20-30 apprentice under a wizard, figure out life's work for 30s (that's what I did, anyway)
@wendell_britt ah yeah, sharing those emotions may be relevant for helping someone understand your experience/perspective, but the boundary itself isn't about the feelings (also @Morphenius I think you'd like this)
@wendell_britt although if you make your boundaries in a self-determining way ("if you X, I will Y") rather than a request ("don't X") then they'll learn quickly that if they don't respect the boundary then you'll respond tasshin.com/blog/boundarie…
@FiestaBlanco @ellegist I vaguely hearing that there was something about the number of different male pheromones an adolescent girl comes in contact with that affects something like this, but I have no idea what the source was or if it would replicate could also distinguish hi/low tech vs rural/urban
@jenalden I suspect a remarkable amount of this can be solved by framing, eg "unemployed" vs "on sabbatical" or "playing video games all the time" vs "busy investigating the nature of learning & feedback loops in virtual envs" tho also parent might themselves have shame around something
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
I wrote an essay about my experience with Tantra so far, should you be into that sort of thing* *the emotional processing…
tfw after a halting attempt at a video call over terrible internet, it's fixed—there’s a relief: finally, we can talk! I've found yet a higher level of relief, relative to ordinary conversation: finally, we can talk about *anything*! both are based on trusting the medium
"there's almost... a stance of micro-experimentation" — @PlayNiceInst re meta-protocol
Below 👇 1. Explain what you're working on in a tweet 🚀🧩 (could be a big purposeful project or a fun side puzzle) 2. Other people: reply & tag the person you know whose work seems most closely related 🔌⚡️ 3. Person tagged: share your angle on what you're both doing 🤔👁️
@visakanv I'm gonna tag @ungatedcreative. Rob, please explain how you're also doing what Visa described in the previous tweet, and how it's different. in a tweet.
@visakanv yeah, it's similar to this one:
@TylerAlterman keep it balanced on top of the spine as a practice in dynamic equilibrium
@embryosophy is there indeed a convergent set of meta-level assumptions about how cultures need to interoperate that everyone would converge on if they were trying to converge on
@RomeoStevens76 one attempt, tho using words differently than you
@RomeoStevens76 "dedication" is another relevant d-word
@RichDecibels whether you're describing the phenomenon from the inside or the outside an insane person's parts are living inside the weaponized information ecology that is their mind
if you can't trust me, I'm not going to ask you to trust me if you can't trust me in a particular way, I'm not going to ask you to trust me in that way you can't trust what you can't trust
Replying to @eurydicelives
@eurydicelives I would hold in awareness all of what I already know about how in many cases I've been a great person to share feelings with while also allowing for the reality that for this person, in this moment, for them, I'm not (as far as they can tell)
Replying to @eurydicelives
@eurydicelives yep, blindspot feedback is hard some tips in here for how to language things for frame dialogue purposes
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia yeah I tried giving up sugar for 40 days in 2012 (I was really strict about it: nothing with "sugar" as ingredient OR >5% sugar by mass if fruit/veggie/nut) and many people told me I'd feel totally different but I didn't notice anything during or when I switched back
"...I spent years beating myself up for no reason" "no reason, eh? what is this reason, that you're so confident you didn't have?"
no reason, eh? what is this reason, that you're so confident you didn't have?
"...I spent years beating myself up for no reason"
check it out, this QT is nested 2-deep I am a motherfucking wizard 🧙♀️ (click through to understand)
latitude:altitude::longitude:gnolitude
"how would you like to be misunderstood?" me & @visakanv jamming about how it's easier to explain stuff (especially illegible stuff) when talking with (or writing to) a friend or someone else who already broadly gets what you're talking about: youtu.be/X6HM7LYkiUA
@visakanv you need three tiny QTable tweets with each of these phrases: - sensemaking is multiplayer - people are force-multipliers - knowledge is power maybe with the graphic in each of them too that you don't is a sign we're still underestimating this medium
@visakanv honestly there's another half-dozen tweets in that graphic: 1. nerd: I want to know! 2. nerdposting: go on curiosity-driven, exploratory adventures of learning & delight 3. friendly... 4. ... etc I might call sermonposting "visionposting" or "grandposting" or something
🌊 I am increasingly surfing this AMAZING wave that goes basically: holy shit I have it all figured out I have no idea what I'm doing
@visakanv how can you tell if someone else groks the FAN worldview?
@visakanv what other approaches to this same big problem have you seen? what are they missing? what wisdom do they have that you haven't figured out how to incorporate into FAN?
the takeless take
Retweeted @visakanv
quick 7 min video with me and @Malcolm_Ocean talking about seeking and receiving help from trusted friends – very excited abo…
@zaymonantonio I was like "huh I know someone working on something like this" but I think it was you lol does it support different wait times depending on your respective cities? can you simulate being in the past, as far as wait times go?
@zencephalon sounds like what @BillSeitz is doing with @flux_garden Bill, tell us how what you're doing is similar/different from that description ^
@strangestloop > looking for a project that'll make my heart sing in the vein of previous projects that did so I'd love to hear about these!
@JoshuaLelon @visakanv @LordChisholm wanna be the friend for this convo?
@embryosophy yes, exactly. this guy gets it
the recognition that we're all, whether we like it or not and whether we know it or not, participating in the vast evolutionary process of the universe & the feeling of participating *consciously*
Retweeted @justavagrant_
Meta consensus decision making: I don’t want all decisions in a collective to be made by consensus, far too unwieldy. Bu…
@justavagrant_ yeah that also seems to me like a pretty good foundation for this puzzle:
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"BATNA" is a word eventually it will probably be lowercase but apparently I still spell it uppercase atm
@justavagrant_ it also helps if people have the means (emotionally + actual BATNA) to choose to exit the group altogether, if people can't agree sufficiently this is more or less possible in certain situations
Trust as an Unquestioning Attitude by C. Thi Nguyen (@add_hawk) a paper whose title alone produced a breakthrough for me and whose body is full of insights pdf: marcsandersfoundation.org/wp-content/upl…
@aphercotropist great analogy. fits quite tightly with @add_hawk's paper on trust as an unquestioning attitude, where he talks about our trusting in certain tools such that they can fade into the background and become part of our agency
@any_other_you @nickcammarata wow, so weird!
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"makerspace" is a word
Replying to @billy74919063
@billy74919063 @ultimape > Temporary shelter structures that can be constructed on-site whoa, a self-assembling makerspace! ...Cory @Doctorow vibes.
@TeamYouTube thanks! tbh I wasn't particularly expecting a reply :) I'll let you know when I do my "what if we made youtube good tho?" video!
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"noncoercive" is a word
find the people for whom them paying you money for your offering is a win-win, and discover together that that is the case
(👆 paraphrasing @TadHargrave) he's got some awesome deep stuff on noncoercive marketing, and he's been at it awhile worth checking out @ungatedcreative @daemonhugger tagging @visakanv while I'm at it
@AskYatharth @visakanv > just convince them no, FIND them
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"altho" is a word
@AskYatharth see this exchange I had with my past self altho also it turned out that I actually did need more softness! but that allowing that softness/gentleness, myself, at the time, would have fucked up my high-pressure relationships, which I wasn't prepared to do!
@AskYatharth not gonna make it right now because gimp is being weird but I want a version of this meme where the villain's face is replaced with fred's and it's captioned near the top with "who is responsible for this stupid thing I keep doing!?" but somehow more coherence empathy vibes
@FiestaBlanco @ellegist seems like existing data would make it pretty straightforward to investigate without running one's own surveys...
@aleksil79 @visakanv haha yeah I liked this recent summary of REBUS. and the internet exposing us to more viewpoints is definitely making it way harder to take things for granted!
poll: your experience of my ongoing '"X" is a word' thread
@deevbrain I was actually just thinking "is this getting a bit much?" when I started I genuinely thought I was gonna mostly run out by now but I'm still generating a new addition to this thread every few tweets on average
I'm considering doing a small amount of filtering, removing any that feel obvious/boring to me or something like that I've been tweeting nearly all of them (main exception being eg "2am" if I already did "10am") "altho" felt kinda dumb when I'd already done "tho"
@deevbrain (to be clear, I literally draft the poll before you sent your "ok cmon give it up" tweet) ..."ok" is a word ..."cmon" is a word further thoughts:
I haven't read this but overall I dig @AskYatharth's thoughts a LOT on related topics and if you think this might spark an insight for you then I'd recommend checking it out
okay, poll will be up for awhile but my provisional conclusion based on there being nonzero "transformational" response and lots of not-noticing, but simultaneously a fair bit of "annoying" is that filtering 30-60% is probably good. will 🤯 a few more people, annoy fewer
here's the thread I'm talking about btw:
@deevbrain eg here's one that has no likes it's like sure, if you know "ontological" is a word (which many people don't but that's its own thing) then obviously "ontologically" is
whipped up a new 2×2: why to have extra money on hand
the red items are representative examples, not so much the name of the quadrant (except top left I guess) I'd love to have more examples of stuff that goes in each quadrant, or things that are kinda on the borders between quadrants
@daemonhugger like... a nod, or a lil "mmm"
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"lil" is a word
@deevbrain & I can make art about how much I hate it to connect with others who also do and imagine a better world youtube.com/watch?v=2L7oTd…
@Prigoose fuck this is so good don't you dare delete it
@UntilTrees I wrote a song about this phenomenon years ago maleidoscope.bandcamp.com/track/shes-got…
Retweeted @sariazout
craving online social spaces where the pace is slower, the vibes are better, and I feel good about myself and the world by b…
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"gnosis" is a word (I discovered just now that it's greek for knowledge, but it's in english via gnosticism (which spellcheck thinks is a word but only if I capitalized it))
@Open1ndividual amazing kinda vibes with like "gnosis" too
@__drewface @IAMAlexEick idk kids well yet (cc @selentelechia & @diviacaroline) but my understanding of addiction is that it's fundamentally a learning challenge involving an internal conflict & addiction is mostly compelling when it forms a distraction/escape from some pain or whatever
@Morphenius I'm gonna collect hundreds of angles and then we will have a biblically accurate angle
p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ definitely the weirdest thing complice.co has ever been included in a list next to 😂
I've been making sense of anger a bit the last few months, and I've found that often what's going on is that there's a powerful energy in me that is saying to a loved one "see me! feel me! take my perspective!" meaningful to express that to them or just to speak & self-validate twitter.com/selentelechia/…
capital-B Behaviorism was a niche theory that lasted less than a century, but it was a codification of some much older underlying assumptions about how motivation works, that are still with us, and PCT (Perceptual Control Theory) is questioning these
I am increasingly positing that it's possible to be personally disgusted by someone else's choices ("ew, I would never do that") while not judging them as "wrong" in some objective sense teasing these apart seems key for learning postjudgment without losing something vital
@f_j_j_ @leahprime @smiling_for_fun @Meaningness hmm I wasn't able to get a clear read on PIM reaction from searching it this also seems very relevant: twitter.com/agleig/status/…
@deevbrain whereas "ongoingly" feels a lot less obvious, more mind-expanding and this one I even tweeted about before I had this thread:
having a separate browser profile for twitter is like having a fridge much less need to finish my plate if I'm full — I can just save the food for later
🎶 from this point of view 🎵 it's kinda obvious... that this point of view 🎶 isn't obvious from other points of view
I'm having a really satisfying experience of writing a summary of my worldview where each paragraph begins with "It seems to me that:" It makes space for the rest of the paragraph to be clear & bold & non-hedging & brief, without coming across as dogmatic or "you should agree"
in other words, it makes it a lot more straightforward for me to say what's obvious to me that may not be obvious whatsoever to others, without any sense of argument
lyrics from a song I started playing around with last year:
something obvious to me about why this works that may not be obvious to *you*: "it seems to me" is much closer to the heart than "I think" "I think" feels like a flimsy opinion someone can just dismiss as wrong "it seems to me" is describing reality—from your perspective
Bruce Patton changes history by finding an eccentric genius and encouraging him to set up a more legible org, promising that he'll handle the administration & fundraising. Someone to celebrate as a role model! pon.harvard.edu/history-of-the…
Uh oh > The effort was named a “project” rather than a program to help avoid the tendency of organizations to be consumed by ensuring their own continued existence. > As the predecessor entity of the Program on Negotiation, the Harvard Negotiation Project lasted 4 years 😅
lots of names are ordinary nouns (Robin, Faith, April) what names are adjectives? Ernest is one... (it does have the same root, just a different spelling from "earnest")
add a waterproof microphone + automatic transcription and this walking shower is a total game-changer twitter.com/_unwell/status…
what if it's actually okay that you want what you want?
@TomKealy2 you gotta tell me more about this (also I swear someone else was working on a musical, but I forget who. I feel like @s0ulDirect0r or @nuanceexists might know tho)
@harmonylion1 oooh great point, yeah
@strangestloop you did! for some reason I thought it was a link to... something else. like maybe I thought it was the board game or something I love the dialogue that's like a chat but weird @maxkriegers check this out:
@Sameerish3re that term disgusts me lol
@Sameerish3re tho yeah I do believe it was designed for something like this purpose
@mindmeanings I find it helps to really feel my own feeling fully, and let it detach if it wants but don't *try* to detach
@ryiacy @visakanv the whole point of these is that they're super short dip in, dip out, whatever you're not signing up for a whole long program
@HiNaryan hey that's what I'M doing! give it back 😆 what are your main research questions? my top one is something like "what are the best (fastest, most robust) paths for getting people to have a self-authored meta-protocol oriented paradigm?" the rest:
@UrgentWonder I'll probably watch it sometime. what was your biggest takeaway, in a tweet?
a sentence about "specific trust-dancing style" from a doc: any given person (or group) has a sense of what makes them feel safe/high-trust, and they want others to do those things, but by default not all of those things are doable by other people in ways that are integrated etc
@gTerton what's DA?
@imkpats @visakanv @visakanv — @FANswitchboard alert (but for a career path, rather than for a region)
@aleksil79 "get a reciprocal handle on all forms and scales of cognition" 😮 Sounds like what @drmichaellevin is working on! He's taking a mostly biological approach. This podcast blew my mind.
@aleksil79 What do you mean by "reciprocal handle"?
@spencerc99 @sariazout wow, this is super cool. I'd love to have a (recorded?) call with you Spencer and just jam about these ideas DM me if you wanna chat
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"internets" is a word intriguing how some nouns aren't seen as pluralizable (which *sigh* is also a word)
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Haven't thought about this list in awhile so kudos to @spencerc99's existence for reminding me of it! this design doc: "tiny internets: sidewalks, geocaching, and more" coda.io/@spencer/tiny-… and this thread:
Retweeted @spencerc99
I wrote a piece about the magic of software and how we can give people control and agency over shaping it to work for them!…
@ejames_c came across this again and still very curious what you think of my take on NDM + trauma, if you have the chance to read it!
@vaughn_tan I feel like I know a person looking at this but I can't think of one will say it loosely reminds me of both Naturalistic Decision-Making and cynefin
@sashintweets are those the only two boxes? absurd if nothing ticks those, they're like the two most obvious things Complice has contextual filtering but obviously isn't GTD compatible because it doesn't have ongoing lists
Thread · Value collapse from goal tracking, and framing goals without metrics
"value collapse" is something I've noticed somewhat with myself and others, using the @CompliceGoals app to track their goals ...the system works a bit too well! if you don't put in a social goal, you can find yourself neglecting your social life, etc
ultimately this is a pretty cool thing, and Complice is good at keeping your goals fluid and evolving
like insofar as metrics cause goodharting and narrow-mindedness, Complice is pretty good on that front
here's our concept of goal. no metric required!
Complice invites you to frame goals in ways that evoke a feeling that you can cultivate more of by orienting towards the goal
and the misc or overall sections of the weekly review can be used to balance things out eg I don't have a health/fitness goal or a money goal right now, but I have a couple of questions related to that that I check in on weekly
as with systems-vs-goals, it seems like there's a similar thing here, where clarifying goals/values is useful but can have drawbacks, and there's ways to mitigate those
I think it's possible to be living a life that's very vividly moving towards what you want, while having those wants be very open-ended but it might be easier for some people to go from daydreamer to hitting explicit goals (eg @bmndr) than straight to pursuing nebulous desires
for those who haven't explored the Complice approach yet, check it out here and let me know what you think and how it might be able to thread this needle even better! complice.co
@hatch_um hi, I see you. I'm not totally sure what you're going through but it seems intense in ways both good and bad! don't forget to breath, and remember
@tasshinfogleman Love, Death & Dancing by Jack Garratt (I think you'd like some of the songs on it) music.youtube.com/playlist?list=…
@tasshinfogleman Dive by Tycho (apropos to my intro to Tycho being his 2014 burning man set on soundcloud—wouldn't be surprised if this album art is bm-inspired or even based on photos of playa) music.youtube.com/playlist?list=…
@tasshinfogleman A Head Full of Dreams by Coldplay (aka "that time coldplay took acid") music.youtube.com/playlist?list=…
@tasshinfogleman I also really like how the album art turned out on my 2012 album (I did most of it: I drew a sketch that @tessafyi made into digital line art, then I added the colors/textures) maleidoscope.bandcamp.com
@lolalucxy yeah agreed so hard, it really does go both ways in different moments. sort of depends on the tempo I'm in maybe I could see that as Complice inviting me to slow down
@lolalucxy mmmm yeah, once AI-based speech-to-text/command becomes another 9 more robust (from 99 to 99.9 or whatever) I might look into some controls like that for complice, which could be really good I also experimented with having it ring your phone in the morning and read out your list
@TylerAlterman what are you working on atm? I'm realizing I don't actually know what needles you're trying to move, but from your tweets the last year I have a sense it's quite convergent with whatever the hell I'm doing, so I figured it'd be good to find out in more depth
@mollyfmielke reminds me of the difference between "freedom from" & "freedom to" and as soon as you're talking "freedom to", you have to know what you want!
@sashintweets That sounds cool! Let me know if you need more endpoints with the Complice API. I've got some hidden tools for making integrations more like the workflowy one, that I can get you set up with (best is to message me through the in-app intercom)
@strangestloop / Moth Fund
@MasterTimBlais @AskYatharth yeah there's some really trippy stuff around how a given material has a heat at which it will sustain burning, and a higher heat at which it will ignite found this out when researching what kinds of wax make for good fire-starters
Retweeted @RichDecibels
I'm looking for exemplary cases of coherent pluralism. what communities, thinkers, movements, schools of thought etc come…
@RichDecibels ummm *raises hand* ✋ my work is super theoretical compared to Taiwan etc though still grounded in embodied practice more focused on finding the core assumptions/stances about norms, memes, etc, that enable respecting differences but I am working on exactly what you describe
@RichDecibels I will go on about this at great length, please ask Qs! some more surface area in the replies to this tweet, including some very relevant videos
@RichDecibels this video is @jgreenhall talking about this exact puzzle, which he calls "the meta-protocol" (a name I've also adopted for it) youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
you do know that listening deeply to your doubts can make your grand theory of everything better, right?
Thread · When the day changes and your intentions go stale
one thing that messes me up when using complice.co sometimes is when I set intentions the night before, then I sleep in, and now those intentions are totally unrealistic for the day a kind of micro-staleness I guess
like today I had a few hours of stuff I wanted to do before hanging out with my mum all afternoon, but instead of waking up at like 9 or 10 I woke up at 11:30 😕
I've thought for awhile about adding a button for scrapping one's plans for the day—actually I think I did add a hidden hotkey for that for a using with a kind of surprise chronic fatigue! but idk if that's quite right either
one thing I am noticing is that while I don't have time this morning to finish this writing that was my big task for today, there are a few other things that'll only take 5 or 10 minutes that I can totally do before I go see mum, and it'll feel really good to do those!
so maybe the thing I actually want to add to complice is a button/mode/UI where you say "hey, umm, situation changed, gotta reorient" and it guides you through reorganizing and not-today-ing your intentions until they make sense again
in the meantime I don't think I personally need much guidance to do that myself, I just need the awareness that it's the thing I need to do, which often I've failed to really acknowledge
it sucks, on any timescale, to realize your plans are out of date. part of why @CompliceGoals works so well is it doesn't actually force you to reckon with that mid-plan you just get to the end of the day, note that you did what you did, and plan anew for tomorrow
gonna live-tweet my experience of reorganizing though well, one thing is that I don't quite want to not-today the writing, since maybe I'll want to do it in the evening when I get back, but I also might be getting back late and/or tired...
you can always un-not-today something later, but yeah maybe I want to un-star it, and move it to after "hang w mum"? and un-star will function to say end of the day"not assuming this is top priority"
as I look at the end of the day, I notice that a couple of my daily intentions feel heavy - I've barely done them in weeks... they're sort of cluttering up my list as fake concepts of what my days are supposed to look like. so they need some of their own rejiggering 🤔
then there's lots of little 5min things, but some of them are designed to generate more things to do (eg "5 mins freewriting about videos I still need to upload") so those can wait til evening or whatever
hmmmm I'm gonna play with a (hidden?) feature I've almost never used, which is where you just make a divider by writing: ----------------- [any text here] so I can put my stale dailies & stuff under "extra"
okay, just appended a note on my morning routine intention: 5) no checking feeds til at least 1 pomo on frog & go outside - honored this upon waking late (goal 5 is about good solo-what-now)
and added a new intention for the evening 5) intentionally reorient to the evening when I get home and this: 3,4,5) thread about reworking complice intentions midday (goal 3 is complice app, goal 4 is complice growth)
okay, then I have two things to do prior to going to hang with mum, basically just two messages to send, one of which I even drafted yesterday wow! now this plan is actually realistic again! that feels so good!
idk HOW to make a guide for this, but that's... not something I'm intending to do today! 😉 I will put out tho: I'd love to see a case study of you reworking your own intentions in a situation like this! whether as a thread or just sent to me directly 🤩
there are lots of albums where the whole vibe of the album is someone getting over (or failing to get over) a breakup what's an album whose overall vibe is falling deeper and deeper in love? (and all of the delights & mysteries & confusions that involves)
Retweeted @CompliceGoals
great thread from my creator, figuring out in public how he can use me better and speculating about how he might be abl…
increasingly realizing that the best threads begin with a banger tweet that stands alone and doesn't even imply the existence of the rest of the thread
trippy axioms underlying a lot of discourse today: 1. A person is (essentially) a mind that happens (accidentally) to inhabit a body; 2. That mind rightfully has absolute power over its body — that is, in relation to the mind the body has no rights; comment.org/designing-woma…
I'm gonna be in Ontario next week, if you're in Toronto or KW lmk and maybe we can connect!
@TylerAlterman John Vervaeke has some really cool stuff on this he talks about the need for "the religion that's not a religion"
Retweeted @TylerAlterman
If traditions predictably degrade, this implies the need for a continuously reconstructed tradition Old traditions are…
fwiw you can't shorten "this part of twitter" to "tpot" without destroying it
fwiw you can't shorten "this part of twitter" to "tpot" without destroying it "these parts of twitter" transparently refers to the open-participation region of networkspace surrounding the tweeter "tpot" refers to people who know what it stands for and want to be called that
@speakerjohnash @helioscomm using it that way in public doesn't have the intended effect (fine if you're writing "tpot" as shorthand in your notes)
Replying to @ElodesM
@ElodesM my approach would be to let them have their experience by reframing what they're expressing as something like "I don't trust that I'm safe/okay if you think that" or "aah I don't have space to know what I know while you're knowing something that seems to contradict it"
@reddy2go @TornadoNate @EyalShay2 I'd love to see a bunch of similar ideas
@nosilverv yuppppp thread summarizing a theory on the significance of this and citing a very cool book called Scale, which blew my mind earlier this year
Replying to @DvnnyyPhantom
@DvnnyyPhantom definitely, though I make a point of never using the acronym it is what it is because it's not a thing, and the acronym moves towards making it a thing
@aleksil79 @Morphenius ahh, are you mostly focused on the individual-and-smaller scale?
Retweeted @aleksil79
Top-down realizes bottom-up is a thing, reaches down and meets in the middle.
@also_louis @ReneeSolana curious if you feel the same about people just saying "around these parts of twitter" or whatever I have "tpot" muted because I think the reification destroys the very magic of this overall scene. it makes it into a group, rather than a place
@KapSlap say more about the kinds of parts that are exiled? if you're comfortable?
@KapSlap this thread might be abstractly helpful
@__drewface @exGenesis @nosilverv @metaLulie @TylerAlterman I'm potentially in, tho I haven't checked out tiktok yet and I'll be honest it seems very dangerous too but yesss more remixing
@relic_radiation I started listening to this and ragequit after 15 minutes because I couldn't stand how he kept just repeating the phrase "animism is normative consciousness" he didn't have the courage to drop the -ism, despite decrying it and "normative" means the opposite of what he wants
@relic_radiation "normative" implies that it's right via some codified rule, some cultural convention *normal* consciousness is better insofar as "normal" means "typical" and he's saying "99.9% of humans ever", though it still means "conforming" which is the OPPOSITE of saying it's natural!
@relic_radiation I resonate with pretty much everything you're saying in this thread, to be clear, and I'm glad you're saying it! ...but that podcast was awful. did not like the guy's vibe at all. (it wasn't just the line he kept repeating; the rest of it rubbed me the wrong way too)
neat, the etymology of "develop" is "unfold"
I was doing some writing and I wrote "when dialogue broke down between me &..." and then I realized that this framing suggests that the default to expect is that dialogue works just fine ...which is not really how I see the world 😅 I see dialogue as a constant co-creative flow
Retweeted @smallkewlhuman
“hey girl wassup??” “nm just walking around the crib super aware of how my environment is subtly shaping the tone of m…
@AdamGravois mmm it doesn't necessarily require *effort*, but it may require *attention*
@patricktrack Etymonline Really great etymology dictionary etymonline.com/search?q=devel…
@jessi_cata I'm not sure that there are once you've agreed upon 1, but the entire frame has issues afaict
has anyone told you lately that you're doing god's work? if not, is it because: - you're not - nobody knows what you're up to - nobody knows how to see what you're doing as god's work ?
...I guess another important reason why nobody might've told you lately is that they know they just forgot to mention it! guys, tell your friends when they're doing god's work 💞
@rachelclif a few hours ago no need to do it again rn, but thanks
@rachelclif I mean you can respond however you want!
Replying to @DaltonDEmery
@DaltonDEmery hmm... are you doing god's work ironically?
@solarpunk_girl like this?
@solarpunk_girl are you doing admin-style god's work or are you appreciating that it's god's work because it enables what you're doing? what are you doing? I recently saw your face on edgeprize.org
@EyalShay2 huge resonance here with @meditationstuff's Many Protocol meditationbook.page/#interpersonal…
third type of lying (beyond committing false things and omitting relevant true things) saying true misleading things: "paltering" Supposedly judged as deceit just as harshly as lying by commission by audiences: apa.org/news/press/rel…
> Rogers postulates that people palter because they have a flawed mental model. Palterers think it is OK because they are telling the truth but their audience sees it as lying. Guessing it's more to do with distrust, antagonism, double binds. avoiding gotchas, esp legal ones
...like I think most lawyers would straight-up advise paltering in many situations
@laudablelies oooooof. damn wow.
I distilled years of rambly drafts into a tight dense articulation of my worldview, including the part where it's different from your worldview & this is Good Actually —the context being that I'm about to go jam with the worldview that mine is a fork of! malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
"Boredom is simply a failure to pay attention." ift.tt/pFPaiJ2
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"yalls" is a word, and upon reflection it doesn't need the second apostrophe either seriously it doesn't. it can just be a word. that seems like a better way for language to function at this point.
kinda weird how there's: he him his his she her her hers you you your yours each pronoun set has a duplicate but it's in a different place but ofc: I me my mine we us our ours they them their theirs and simply: yall yalls
Replying to @SaturnSpeaksPod
@SaturnSpeaksPod @nosilverv @TylerAlterman anyone using the metaphor "kill" or "death" to refer to something temporary & transitive needs to go back to Metaphors 101 😆 (metaphysical arguments aside, that's just not what "death" *means* *at all*)
> but it was in behalf of us that he spoke "why have you forsaken me?" I get a read here of like, insofar as what Jesus was up to was metabolizing a fuckton of intergenerational trauma, he was maybe having a sort of collective emotional flashback twitter.com/miltonwrites/s…
Replying to @miltonwrites
oh yeah, when I was in Singapore, @visakanv & I recorded a longer video 👇 rather, we kept talking after the short one, so I started rolling camera again I barely remember what we talked about though, so lmk if there's a better name for the video! 😅 youtu.be/FrSrFPCIknE
some good stuff here—lots fairly obvious among our scene, but some I hadn't heard (eg a QT says all older men should take testosterone!) I'll add my own later when I get a minute
Retweeted @TylerAlterman
😈 Demonology contest: come up w the best name for “that instrumentalizing memetic force which decomplexifies everything…
@TylerAlterman @Morphenius may have thoughts
@ReneeSolana a friend of mine had trouble swallowing pills unless dommed into doing so, & I was staying at her place so she asked if I'd help I didn't say or do anything, I just looked at her intently, sending the message "you will take the pill. this is not optional." it worked great ❤️🔥
@ReneeSolana this is kind of an act of service thing ofc, especially since she had solicited it in the first place but I suspect the general principle here applies more broadly somehow exerting my will on behalf of the collective will using force/will can cause messes even solo tho so 🤷♀️
Sometimes welcoming the different parts of someone is remarkably straightforward: they say something like "I feel sad" and I say "hi sad" like I'm just greeting it, addressing it directly as a participant in the convo/situation
@gene_minkov @visakanv 11 replies? is there some extensive discussion by locked alts under here?
@mary_bajorek I took a course on Decision Quality that tried to point at exactly this I have vague warm feelings towards the course but idk if it actually helped much haha, aside from giving me this concept
"you lost me here" is super useful feedback on writing
Retweeted @visakanv
painful lesson over the past ~20 years of relationships: in the medium run it’s exciting to feel hype about people who seem t…
Replying to @nat_sharpe_
@nat_sharpe_ You're doing the Lord's work Nat
Retweeted @nat_sharpe_
the idea of separate races is a pseudo scientific conspiracy theory invented by white people
@WildSunLove @nat_sharpe_ "AA" made more sense to me when I saw it as being not about skin color but about cultural origin. People with European descent can usually name a country or several that their ancestors were in. Same as recent immigrants from Africa.
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
it's only possible to be rational within a frame = without a frame, it's impossible to be rational (exoteric meaning 🤔🤓…
mildly but persistently annoyed that there's no way to see who's looking at your google doc if it's link-shareable. I want to see which of my friends are reading my thing! (like what happens if it's shared with them privately)
Retweeted @SpencerKlavan
My friends, I had not intended to offer my particular take on If By If By Whiskey at this particular time. But you have…
Retweeted @made_in_cosmos
Are there any people who identify as neurotypical? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone say this about themselves
the main situations in which we *feel* feelings like fear & anger are ones where we can't allow the feeling to simply flow into action. where we're blocking it welcome the feeling, but don't freeze with it twitter.com/popLOCKEdropit…
Retweeted @gordonbrander
Self-certifying protocols shrink the surface area for cheating, - Reducing the amount of trust required to cooperate - E…
Replying to @gordonbrander
@gordonbrander trusting the protocol/system, instead of the person
Retweeted @TylerAlterman
“Trauma is not a problem to be analyzed and solved. It is an emotional secret waiting to be expressed within the presenc…
@GarrettPetersen I have often found myself wishing there were a universal hand sign for "one of your headlights is out"
@RichDecibels Seems like a job for self-certifying protocols! twitter.com/gordonbrander/…
@nosilverv blindspots do be like that
Retweeted @nat_sharpe_
thanks for the invite but as a rule I only play games that are fun and judging by your attitude I don’t think you’re enjoy…
Retweeted @nat_sharpe_
Jokes aside I don’t mind if you believe in the idea of race. Many people find value and meaning in their racial identity.…
Retweeted @visakanv
let’s play a sincere compliment game: tag a friend in the replies or QTs with, “I would totally read an essay on <insert-topi…
@visakanv I would totally read an essay on how the emergent culture at Alexander Technique training sessions is related to TCS & Popper, by @metaLulie
Awesome replies. Also if you're tagged, feel free to just start with a tweet about it, before putting a whole essay on your to-do list.
@justavagrant_ @visakanv @_brentbaum Yo @DanielTabakman this could be a thing to do a Psychotechnologies Live episode on, if you haven't already. I know Eliot also has a speedrunning jhanas thing!
@strangestloop I thought the question was gonna be "how do you avoid accidentally learning things?" 🤣
@visakanv Yeah. And like how life is so obviously precious when compared to death, if you reset your expectations of us understanding each other down to almost nothing... ...it's a goddamn miracle we can communicate at all.
@tasshinfogleman dying not killing killing is not first-person dying youtu.be/A36iBHXnCGw
@ElodesNL Try supplementing potassium & iron & a few other things maybe iron fish (a way to supplement iron) changed my sister's life — took her from chronically exhausted to very energized
@smallkewlhuman different, not commensurate & if you insisted and tried to measure them on a few main axes, neither would be stronger on all axes
@wholebodyprayer Agreed different terms are needed. It's tough bc from the outside how do you tell if someone's meditating? And there are so many different kinds, not all of which are intended to lead to dhyana afaik. So "meditation" as a catchall that includes "trying & failing" maybe necessary?
@wholebodyprayer I made a similar case with "therapy" awhile back in this thread:
So many angles of digestion of the world happening at the same time. I'm going through a process of realizing how important it is to clarify and honor your own values, and also @Meaningness is spot on here. (I sort of mean what he calls "preferences", but it's not that simple)
@DanielleFong Love this. Tons of discussion and related links over here:
Retweeted @RichDecibels
neurotypicals are "native speakers" 🤯 they perform the local norms without knowing what they are 🤯🤯
@RichDecibels @GretchenAMcC this is a fascinating lens on what it means to speak a language natively vs not
I really thought the second half of the truck video was gonna be "if instead of feeling terror, you feel relief, you might wanna talk to someone"
@aleksil79 @RichDecibels @averykimball Exactly my take on truck lady
everyone can get along, given enough space
went to a really satisfying event tonight where the host was my latest blog post, and I was just there as one participant among many really highlighted my tendencies to talk as an authority. several juicy moments of backing out of that
Replying to @nat_sharpe_
@nat_sharpe_ Yep. I was once forced to sit in front of a guy who would repeatedly flick my neck. I recently concluded that the boss way out would to say to the teacher that she needed to move him for his safety, because otherwise I would be required by my dignity to hurt him.
Retweeted @chercher_ai
Neither trying nor not-trying but a third, less complex thing
@myceliummage I am in favor of such tests in general and in terms of the specific intended results of this one in particular
Retweeted @sensefulronin
Is this why we can't have a systems thinking movement?
@VividVoid_ Various dimensions of it but it's memetically fit as a memeplex for making propagating culture seem extra super important. See David Deutsch's The Beginning of Infinity for a ton more on this
Retweeted @RichDecibels
@deepfates I legit want to play with a paid twitter where likes are worth money
gah @googlephotos memories got too fucking clever it just showed me a photo of a stairwell from January 2014 like "remember this moment?" bitch I just wanted my "on this day"
analogy of the year award:
@OwenTho41916182 was being sincere! if the test-reader actually points out the paragraph or sentence at which their eyes glazed over, this can pinpoint an area that needs more concreteness or a better segue or motivator for the next section
I almost tweeted as "I'm sad" not "I feel sad" then I tweaked it for exactly this reason regardless, this ambiguity can be 99% mitigated by just saying "hi sadness". tone also matters a lot here. can be playful but need to be deeply sincere
@visakanv that's why u gotta
sure it's all one whole but we've still gotta organize the particulars
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE she saw me as god until she thought I didn't see myself as god and then she saw me as not even a man
@tasshinfogleman it me I like walking around, I like looking at stuff, but I don't make a distinction between "sights" and everything else
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE she exalts who I was, am and shall become she honors my mystery and my power she trusts herself enough to yield to me
@jmitch @garybasin this may be of interest
@fortelabs also matters that you clear old stuff out before it gets too moldy
pay-to-QT would be a great way to eliminate QT-dunking (it would ofc cause screenshot-dunking, which is maybe better on net as it sends less hateful traffic but is also bad)
@RichDecibels @sashintweets @deepfates
@JimmyRis @hormeze you could just go as Ernest dude! there are lots of Jameses already
@metaLulie @visakanv or like, how does expanded awareness & coercion relate (I have a theory of this but I'd love to hear yours!)
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@visakanv Yeah. And like how life is so obviously precious when compared to death, if you reset your expectations of us…
@forthrighter @visakanv nice, yup, good case study!
@strangestloop perceive world, relate to existing sense of world try thing, recalibrate to become able to achieve thing
@visakanv beautifully put ❤️🔥
@joaolmateus I'd be inclined to go with yes on this. I definitely count time spent *taking* notes on a book. and I sometimes even count reading someone else's book summary as reading the book!
Retweeted @ESpacewalk
🎙New #ESconversations #podcast with @Malcolm_Ocean is live! 🎧 Malcolm Ocean is a systems designer, a self-described “feral…
@Morphenius @TylerAlterman this makes me thing "the deadener" or "the disecter" or something
@TylerAlterman Mammon? as visualized by @michaelcurzi: youtube.com/watch?v=yNtGxP…
@strangestloop no.
@vaughn_tan @ejames_c yeah, I'd love to hear it!
Retweeted @reddy2go
child's play is god's work 🥳
@laurex twitter is precious and tiny changes to it matter
@laurex tho in this case it's very much a thought experiment not something I think is likely to happen
@Hi_individual1 you're not wrong but it's particularly true in this case and some acronyms improve the thing they describe
@JohnStokvis @visakanv agreed although you do actually have to integrate them and there's such a thing as too much difference!
@also_louis the thing is that I think many people doing the abbreviating don't remotely realize that it creates exclusivity they're just failing to take people's perspectives, but that's most people most of the time
@DvnnyyPhantom 21 chars to spare: > I am constantly impressed by my mutuals and most of this part of twitter, I haven’t found that anywhere else on the internet or even IRL and it’s a big part of why I stay. I always wonder if y’all feel the same way about this part of twitter and your mutuals.
@hamnox yeah "okay" is underdefined/overloaded but it evokes something which is sort of what I was trying to do here
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin in my experience, when someone realizes their desires are incoherent (which more likely when accepting them as okay) then the desires tend to reorganize to become workable ethics is a subcase of this, as far as I can tell—wanting to be ethical according to your standards
@AFarnsy it doesn't directly have a framework for those, but it's quite good for improvisationally trying out different questions towards goals ie it doesn't assume whatsoever that what you did today towards the goal is the same thing you'll need to do tomorrow, etc
@daemonhugger the left hemisphere waters it with tanha
@AskYatharth @benefic_venefic @relic_radiation hippy but good tho
@solarpunk_girl touché
@nosilverv you're welcome! part of my job is plugging the right books/ideas into the right people I mean that's most of us, but yeah
@RichDecibels I have a gift for putting words to things shadow is I sometimes don't know when to stop putting words to things probably can go deeper or more precise with this tho
@DvnnyyPhantom fair, tho I'm not here to tell you what to do—I'm just pointing out the impact of the acronym (as I see it) if you want to participate in an part of twitter that has exclusive vibes, you are free to do that! that is not my part of twitter
@Hi_individual1 agreed, and each use of an acronym not transparent to outsiders creates actual interactions with those outsiders that cast them as outsiders
@Hi_individual1 and each claim that someone is part of a named entity (which "tpot" functions as and "this part of twitter" mostly doesn't) who doesn't want to be part of that named entity, is an interaction that alienates people from people they want to connect with
@huggingpuppy sort of but I've written lyrics & poetry with my right hemisphere that my left hemisphere didn't remotely understand for another decade, so "understanding" is doing a lot of work here
@nvpkp @prerationalist found an old tweet I tweeted via sms from the factory I was working at on my flip-phone (on a day it was hailing, I can only assume)
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"rivalrous" is a word (& nonrivalrous & antirivalrous while I'm at it)
@lilneechy good point! although I guess one could argue that this rivalrous desire for the best places effectively creates an absence of space which then creates the inability to get along!
@SHL0MS @SHL0MS & @visakanv you're helping for sure
@christineist You might be ready for the phase 2-3 transition I describe here!
@relic_radiation & beware of mistaking "the missing piece for you right now" as "the answer to all of your problems for all time"
@DRMacIver consider freaking out and see if it feels available or scary?
@ReneeSolana yesss
it becomes way easier to get what you want when you're open to being surprised by what you want and how you might get it
@ReneeSolana oooh strong disagreement to how you phrased the 2nd part, though I think I agree with what you're saying you have to relax your *concept* of what you want, and the particulars of how you expect to get it but letting go of wanting what you want is bs
@TylerAlterman @michaelcurzi ahh yeah, good point although in a sense communist situations did still have wealth/greed markets, even if they didn't have very functional markets for goods 😅
@rachelclif @groundedSAGE oh my. say more?
@goblinodds I've gotten a lot of mileage out of the perspective that creepiness is largely a function of having sexual desire while trying to hide or deny it... such a definition would straightforwardly imply that pretending to be asexual to avoid making someone uncomfortable *is* creepy.
@goblinodds to the extent this is true, the thing to be ragey about is the implication that the way to not be creepy is to not have desires, because that idea is a large part of what leads to creepiness! or amplifies it, at least
@RichDecibels curious what you think of this lens on creepiness:
the arms race between this and people with higher standards who are capable of deep REAL intimacy
@discomfrtble what'd you think? here's my thread on it if you're curious
@gptbrooke being deeply in love in a new relationship and spending this week reconnecting & reconciling with old relationships
@paleoludic straight line on the map but has really steep hills up and down and up and down the whole way 😂
@samswoora @exploratorium obviously
Retweeted @AbstractFairy
twitter is oral culture with the written word oral culture relied on repeating the same thing several times in order to…
@AbstractFairy and each retelling of the tale breathes new life into it
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@AbstractFairy and each retelling of the tale breathes new life into it
@fourfoldvision I've been digging Hartmut Rosa's take on this lately!
attending to how others attend to the world has taught me a lot about them and the world
Replying to @toomuchincosmos
@toomuchincosmos have you tried asking them? have you tried telling them that you felt betrayed because you assumed you could trust them to return the book in the condition you gave it to them? (modulo a lil wear)
and relatedly, it's possible to say "wow I do not want to live with that person" without judging them as wrong in an objective sense they are free to live that way as long as it's far enough from you
Replying to @toomuchincosmos
@toomuchincosmos honor your disgust here and the sense that there's some lack of shared values etc 🙏
language is alive
🎶 even if it means that I never 🎵 put myself back together 🎶 gonna give you my heart to break I've been deeply enjoying the surrender of this song. Taking in that there's no safe way to love deeply, & learning to welcome the possibility of heartbreak💔 youtube.com/watch?v=6eC_i6…
🎶 even if I end up in shatters 🎵 baby it doesn't matter 🎶 gonna give you my heart to break part of what actually prompted me to tweet about the song today is my fascination with how "in shatters" has an obvious meaning but I've never heard "shatters" as a NOUN
turns out it's not a new coinage, I discovered upon looking it up just now, although it took 200 years of "shatter" existing as a verb before someone used "shatters" as a noun
this seems relevant to @visakanv's stuff on information architecture everything is a remix ianleslie.substack.com/p/paul-mccartn…
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"informationally" is a word
@csageland it's very hard to put into words a lot of the time but I get a sense of the shape of people and how they metabolize the world informationally-speaking mostly from extended deep convos, ideally in person but at least out loud. although I get a diff sense of it from tweets ofc
@AbstractFairy one thing that's different about this culture also is that each repetition is an opportunity for someone to hear the thing for the first time
Retweeted @AskYatharth
what frame puts me at the center of my experience again? what frame gives me arms and legs again?
@DRMacIver ooh yeah, very interested in this want to have a short recorded video call jam on it?
@DRMacIver I think you're onto something here but the frame feels like it contains confusions from my perspective enforce a norm where? all of society? or just in your vicinity?
@christineist If you want to check out some sketches of writing on this topic, which I often call [[full-fractal buy-in]], check out this page on my roamblog: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
@BolognaFishMD @forthrighter mmm and then we can touch the mind of this person you're quoting!
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The really important thing here is to not get attached to any concept of *how* the integration process will work. Whatever each part is needing in order to feel welcomed will transform your sense of what welcoming *is*.
@christineist yeah and then IFS just becomes one approach, and you can create new approaches on the fly by finding out what different aspects of you need
> But trying to be Good or say the right thing or do the right thing from obligation or whatever-- these actually hamper our ability to connect from the heart, to be authentic with someone, to be ourselves for real.
PSA: if you're gonna write bangers, don't split them across multiple tweets your ideas are too important to slice them down the middle. package them for us to remix plz
here's the thread btw: twitter.com/ReneeSolana/st…
cool comic book concept (an extended series of imaginations of a couple worried about each other dying while they're apart) and beautiful dedication to making the barcode annoying so it gets peeled ift.tt/ivtOSlx
I'm really loving these <1min Moments inside the Waking Up app. There's 2-3 every day and they're all lil pointing-out instructions. dynamic.wakingup.com/moment/SM33F95…
thinking is a full-contact sport
regulatory agency, n the capacity each of us has to self-regulate
both proud & humbled to be the kind of guy who can sing a song from an award-winning band and have one friend think he wrote it and another think he improvised it on the spot
people be using metaphors and not noticing: - the ways the metaphor doesn't fit - the other implications the metaphor has - that they could choose a different metaphor
@kalinh emotional repression as regulatory capture
@jd_pressman yes, it is good for that, if tweeting controversial stuff! but in most cases I see it it's just someone not making the most of the medium
@aleksil79 Oooh, say more? The parts part isn't the most important part.
Retweeted @_brentbaum
feeling strong, confusing emotions is a sign something is going right, not wrong: something at the edge of who you know yo…
@aphercotropist Yeah, part of language being alive is that it's a self-maintaining system, that doesn't suddenly become something else in random or arbitrary ways, and part of language being alive is that it also *does* change and evolve.
@Shadow_Rebbe @humsys I haven't, no but I think I'm talking on a slightly different level. not like attention policies (though tell me more about those they sound neat!) but about the basic shape of someone's relevance realization function in each moment
@ReneeSolana prove it
@RarerNo @Aella_Girl I'm not certain it always *is* a warning sign but if you haven't even seriously considered the possibility that it *might be* a sign you're not all-in on the relationship, you're probably rationalizing. ...speaking from experience as someone who was poly and now isn't.
I'm not sure what @cityasaschool is yet but it feels to me like @joyurge and @thesfcommons and @jasoncbenn and @Prigoose probably want to know about it.
damn this is beautiful.
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia there's a great articulation here of how progressive and conservative are both great and we need both everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
> Preprocessed foods are not only here but are gaining such a tremendous acceptance that soon there will be little else on the market. This eliminates the need for mixing, peeling, blending and other devices used in the preparation of raw foods. [Popular Mechanics, October 1956]
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"bubbliness" is a word
@TylerAlterman on rare occasions, usually some kind of loss or loneliness, I've sometimes fallen into a space where all my usual bubbliness and energy is gone and I just feel kinda raw dead almost it's probably kinda dissociative
interesting to notice that a half-century later pre-processed foods are increasingly available (and my grandmother loves them as she's so done with chopping but she can throw stuff in the oven) but they completely haven't taken over the sale of raw foods
@CXGonzalez best version of it I heard was in this podcast something to the effect of "some version of panpsychism emerges naturally if you reject mind-body dualism" it doesn't imply anything about what that means tho, which is nice
ngl I have trouble interpreting land acknowledgments in any way other than this
conservativism, properly held, has a very humble tone: "we actually don't quite know why what's working is working, so let's be careful as we change it. it's very precious and our wisdom may not be deep enough"
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia likewise! yeah it's really great, I keep coming back to it. I've come to appreciate the virtues of conservativism more and more. chesterton's fence but on a subtler level.
@forthrighter @ReneeSolana fuck, you guys are right! thanks for taking the time to explain it to me it's really self-evident when you look at it from the right angle
@hanbzu idk maybe it's not quite the right frame or something but like, people who aren't at all seduced by current chatbots might be by chatbots in a few years, until they realize fuck that, until the chatbots get better, etc
where do your priorities lie? why are they lying? what would happen if they told the truth?
@TeamYouTube okay, here's another complaint about your search engine I'm trying to find a video called "Courage To Leave" on my channel "Malcolm Ocean" and I search [courage to leave malcolm ocean] and the top results are all me (on others' channels) and after that is irrelevant bs
@TeamYouTube seriously guys this is EMBARRASSING! and if I weren't the guy who made the video I might think it's been taken down these aren't even SEARCH RESULTS! they're just random videos! you shouldn't even believe that these are real screenshots, tho it is
@TeamYouTube this is the video I was looking for, btw I had to search google because I didn't even know what more relevant search terms I could put into YT search youtube.com/watch?v=SaDvHT…
did you know you can eat a kiwi skin? to be very very clear: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO. I am not telling you you must, if you think that's disgusting because they're so fuzzy. you can keep scooping or peeling but IF you want to, it's totally safe and actually nutritious
just met a guy proselytizing Evolution vs God, and told him I've thought about it a lot and I'm pretty sure evolution and god are the same and I love both (this is true) and he said I could send him a podcast on the topic but I'm not actually sure what best distills it. ideas?
you can never earn freedom from problems you can only earn the freedom to have more interesting problems
one of my favorite pieces of advice to give is "is there anyone you know who's done this before (or been in a situation like this) who you could ask?" often people forget to access the wisdom in their friends and family
turns out the "a proton is made of 3 quarks" model is as accurate as "light is a wave" — true by one way of measuring, not by another cool animations in here based on measurements from very fancy machines ift.tt/iOQyNVk
Retweeted @mollyfmielke
i’m so sick of the idea that there’s moral purity in being unable or unwilling to wrangle capitalism into something that…
@jaredpretender @mollyfmielke she said "make", not "find"
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"worldchangers" is a word
@nicaia @eurydicelives @visakanv @keta_mean_ could try writing out a bunch more of your own thinking on the subject. just think out loud a bunch explore thinking about it
Replying to @eurydicelives
@eurydicelives a web of supportive interdependent relationships a thriving high-output scene of artists & musicians & worldchangers lifestyles of focused work and spacious play a jaw-dropping inspiring example of how to love uncompromisingly well & ofc all of these:
gonna store this for future QT-replying twitter.com/nat_sharpe_/st…
@EpistemicHope my latest blog post lays out my worldview and the associated deep problem, in a very dense form. it's not really made to be accessible to a wide audience yet, but maybe it'll give some taste of what I'm looking at. malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
the fact that what you're defending is important doesn't mean you're not being defensive the fact that you're being defensive doesn't mean that what you're defending isn't important
so fucking stoked about this
> a lot of extremely systematic thoughts that take for granted that systematicity is optimal (and that "optimal" is the correct metric (and that "correct metric" is the sort of thing one should have)) (me re a rationalist friend who got into circling but missed the postrat boat)
@DrYohanJohn @awaisaftab @PessoaBrain I've been exploring it a ton for 4.5 years, inspired by these pages in @Nsousanis' Unflattening:
@DrYohanJohn @awaisaftab @PessoaBrain @Nsousanis I talk about the metaphor in depth in this podcast interview: soundcloud.com/ariintheair/be…
@cowtung agreed re adversarialness, though I have the sense there may be ways to design discourse systems (eg twitter) better such that the natural movement of energy will tend to decrease clustering around "left" and "right" and in general support listening and dissipate adversariality
@JimmyRis also this!
@Evolving_Ego just watch me
@reynoldsrd what's working is working! there's a lot of it and we tend to take a lot of it for granted. that's not to say there isn't always a surface area of new problems
Replying to @g_mppa
@g_mppa conservativism and liberalism are separate axes and it's possible and imo desirable to have lots of both (and lots of progressivism, moderated by the other two) everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
@FJustinianus bingo
@kimchi_rave agreed re heavy lifting. I am conservative about words meaning things and not getting rounded off to polarized positions or identities (I'm a liberal progressive conservative) everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
@cool_junk_1000 read my tweet, I said "why what's working is working". yes it's a tautology—that's part of the point. much is working. are you denying that anything whatsoever is working? how are you even reading this if the entire internet and power grid isn't working?
@justuseapen the distinction you're looking for is between conservativism vs radicalism liberalism vs authoritarianism is an orthogonal axis (+progressivism vs traditionalism) everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
@EliNew18 yup, pretty much everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
@cool_junk_1000 agreed they're not adequate. AND, even social security, medical, housing, etc, could all be working WAY less than they do seriously! homelessness in USA could be 5% of the population instead of <0.5% hospitals could collapse altogether under bureaucracies & regulations &+
@cool_junk_1000 check out this post which inspired my tweet—conservativism as I've defined it here isn't at all incompatible with progressivism (the idea that things can be better and that it's worth working to make it so) which is what you're championing both are great! everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
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"I" refers to "this speaking mind".
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Thought experiment: what would the gender discourse be like if the only participants were those ppl who felt sexually an…
@vaughn_tan what I'm saying is I see no sign of that whatsoever it seems to be increasingly available but not particularly at the cost of less availability of raw foods, afaict (maybe depends where you shop)
@krlwlzn nah, his conception of god seemed like an insecure dick my conception of god aligns with my conception of evolution though
@made_in_cosmos @relic_radiation relevant thread, may help:
@made_in_cosmos @relic_radiation also learning a bit about Perceptual Control Theory could help illuminate how everyone constantly has desires at various scales and how under ordinary circumstances these work just fine
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The more my mind aligns with me, instead of with this human avatar… …the more I feel like I'm breaking the 4th wall just b…
@smallkewlhuman it's okay to be feeling however you're feeling about it in this moment, and with whatever news comes in ♥
@cowtung that's a separate question from whether he gets it right, which... hm. simply reinstating trump before redesigning things is... uhhh... not how I would have approached it, though I can kind of see why that move might be harder to make if he waited
@ricvolpe I think you've been doing a pretty good job of remembering but I'm gonna remind you anyway 😊
@sashintweets @krlwlzn kinda? they're both pointers at deep structural truths about the nature of the universe and of consciousness
@cool_junk_1000 Totally. Feeling resonance with you here on both counts.
@tasshinfogleman based
@kimchi_rave yep. it's very much a mess. I'm in favor of trying to describe actual stances though, and while words are always gonna run away from us, at least attempting to use them meaningfully
@christineist oh there's now also a clip of me talking about this:
@GrantGoedde no shit really? fuck
@markus3141597 yes. good conservatism on its own has no direction whatsoever. in fact it mostly says "let's go slowly and care-fully, and check with people before flipping their tables"
@markus3141597 well yes. conservativism on its own is static fixated stagnation. you also need progressivism everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
me to airport sports bar: what non-alcoholic drinks do you have? waiter, dumbfounded: uhh... like what... coke...? me: ... *looks at cocktail menu* me: ...I'll get the grapefruit juice (turns out they have lots of non-alcoholic drinks, just not as standalone menu items!)
"an understanding catalyst" is a great term in general and also a great term for one of the roles I'm learning to take and to train others how to take from this short piece by Carl Rogers: Communication: Its Blocking and Its Facilitation drive.google.com/file/d/1jS1hQn…
most inability to listen comes from either: 1. lack of motivation (could be selfish curiosity or just desire to have the other person feel heard) 2. not feeling grounded enough in the reality of your own perspective to feel safe to take someone else's without losing your own
Thread · Three steps for empowered dialogue · 4 of 5 tweets
Three steps for empowered dialogue: 1. see & affirm your own perspective deeply 2. hear the other person & take their perspective to their satisfaction 3. when they feel so heard that they can't help get curious about how you're seeing things, share your own perspective
I call this "empowered dialogue" because this always offers a way out of the victim stance. We always want to start with 3 (you hear me) but get blocked because the OTHER person wants to be heard first too (2). By hearing & validating OURSELVES first (1) we gain space to listen
Now, it's worth noting that being deeply heard by yourself is NOT the same as (or a total replacement for) being heard by the person you have a conflict with. And insofar as part of you is angry that they haven't heard you yet, validate *that* part too! That matters!
the core understanding that these 3 steps emerged out of: I first noticed this about myself but I get good results when I assume it holds for others too!
After listening to the latest episode of @dthorson's Emerge, I found myself compelled to reach out to David Sauvage and share some of my perspectives, and I figured I might as well share those with the world as well: malcolmocean.com/2022/10/sauvag…
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@s_r_constantin roughly this 👇 sometimes internally sometimes speaking out loud (if I'm alone) sometimes I write it out
@BretWeinstein @elonmusk Yup, evolutionary approach is definitely where it's at. The puzzle here is to find people with diverse values & priorities politically, who share a commitment to freeing speech whenever—and however—that's safe to do so, AND who are capable of listening deeply to each other.
@BretWeinstein @elonmusk There's also, both with the council and with twitter as a platform, structural decisions that make actual dialogue & deep listening way easier, and talking past each other harder and less attractive. Lots of design work to do there—happy to help on both fronts.
@olliesayeed my read is that it usually refers to someone guarding their own viewpoint from being overruled by someone else's great article on this: docs.google.com/document/d/1lc…
@s_r_constantin oh! I really like this write-up of how to listen to your own defensiveness. very very relevant docs.google.com/document/d/1lc…
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@s_r_constantin very curious what thoughts of yours it converges with! and what sources are your inspirations?
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@nat_sharpe_ if existence exists where is it?
@markus3141597 agreed! too much conservativism and not enough progressivism means continuing to screw over people who are currently getting screwed over
@markus3141597 that seems roughly true to me... - "liberal" gets conflated with "left" which broadly supports more socialist policies these days - insofar as people want to keep what's working about classical liberalism, they come across as conservative but how does it seem to you?
@BretWeinstein @elonmusk One thing I'd suggest is implementing pol.is on a massive scale for twitter users to dialogue about content moderation, the platform and maybe more generally. Not for voting but to help us find things we all broadly agree on! blog.pol.is/pol-is-in-taiw…
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@elonmusk 1. Congratulations 2. You’re bootstrapping a Game~B public square. There are very sharp minds in the Game~B co…
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Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints. No major content decisions or account…
@cekaur @anielsen108 yeah I'd love to read an anthropology report on school culture as she experiences it!
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@CompliceGoals "Instead of productivity, we focus on intentionality choosing & doing, over organizing aliveness, instead…
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it's better to do 365 plausibly-most-important things in a year than to spend each day stressing about which thing is TH…
@nickredmark yeah, a lot of what I do on the Complice account is just retweet things that resonate on whatever level with the Complice philosophy! in so many cases, people explain it better than I can :)
@kerrikgray @elonmusk you can actually already post longer videos if you pay like $5/mo for twitter blue. I'm not sure exactly why that's a feature they're charging for but yeah, you can get it today if you really want it
@ray4tesla @elonmusk @kerrikgray a month ago they added an edit button (30min limit) for twitter blue subscribers and they did a decent job designing it tbh!
amazing watching Elon PLAY in the space of managing twitter. irreverence instead of professionalism. he's not just playing with twitter's company culture, he's playing publicly with the IDEA of company culture playfulness in culture is huge & you can't teach it in a course
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withdraw your attention from what you want to see less of in the world
@RichDecibels @Morphenius this thread is very in line with stuff you've been writing/talking/thinking about and here it is as a post for easier sharing elsewhere apocryphalrich.substack.com/p/how-to-avoid…
@RichDecibels @sashintweets problems misframed
@RichDecibels seems like part of this is not about ignoring but about taking a step back keep the problem in your AWARENESS, but don't collapse your ATTENTION on it, to use @m_ashcroft's terms
@RichDecibels @m_ashcroft vaguely related somehow:
@RichDecibels mmmm, yeah, this makes me think... if you're possessed by a particular demon, then you feel protection if someone casts the particular spell that invokes that demon in others as well
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I've been using the metaphor of demon possession lately to describe culture war dynamics I'll try to explain...
@relic_radiation yeah to really grok evolution you need to back up to the level of simply "there'll tend to be more of the sorts of things that are good at sticking around & making more of themselves" "fitness" is theoretically shorthand for that, whatever the strategy (indiv or collab or w/e)
@relic_radiation but framing it as "fitness" sort of implies it's a Thing, and it's not a Thing it's an ongoing and also-evolving relationship between the organism and its environment like "most collaborative" is ALSO a competition on a different level of abstraction
if last names came from professions, and almost everyone used to be farmers, why are Smith & Miller so much more common as last names than Farmer? ...which apparently wasn't even a name farmers used OH WAIT. OF COURSE. if everyone is farmer, saying "bob the farmer" is useless
I'm getting a lot better at realizing that often I have no idea what my thoughts mean
butterfly effect is so wack I just bought a VIP ticket to meet Cory Wong because I saw an ad for his concert on Genius because I looked up lyrics to Aluminum by BNL because I got singing it when I heard the British pronunciation ("-nium") because I asked what Reynolds wrap is