woo terms make more sense when you see them as relative to one's ontology, not absolute "extra-sensory-perception" = perceived through senses we don't know/trust/understand "supernatural"/"metaphysical" = our physics needs an upgrade to explain this
June 2023
Retweeted @VividVoid_
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@utotranslucence @VividVoid_ OHHHHHHHH
@kalinh That, but also maybe not that, maybe something more beyond. But also maybe just that! I'm trying to avoid fixating either on "we don't understand this" or "we do understand this"!
@melissajenna @RichDecibels yeah my guess is that stuff like this is a huge part of what affects creator ratios
@s0ulDirect0r that has got to be one of the most surreal accidental bathroom backdrops of all time
one of the trippy metaphysical truths you can perceive for yourself if you look in the right place is a sense of utter perfection of everything which means there's a common trick/attractor of pointing that truth out to people then using it to justify all sorts of shit
Retweeted @nosilverv
Attitude = intention “I don’t like your attitude” = you’re holding the wrong intention towards me
@nosilverv or in many cases, "the wrong intention" towards: - everybody - the world
@MarvinKeilbach @_brentbaum oh snap! I was gonna say Facets of Unity by the same author!
@MarvinKeilbach @_brentbaum it was recommended to me by @Morphenius and I love how it talks about nonduality from a more western & psychological perspective and also lays out some *specific* dualistic confusions and pathways for resolving them, rather than just "duality" as "the delusion"
Retweeted @visakanv
it’s wacker than that; there’s barely maybe even 0.01 billion people who even approach the limit of the ordinary power that i…
@JakeOrthwein some great stuff on in this in Facets of Unity as well
@JakeOrthwein some of this is DSM fallacy, I think all parents of anyone any of us have ever met are dysfunctional in similar ways, and these dysfunctions are seen as normal
@JakeOrthwein but in principle one could have a society where parents aren't all fucked up in these same ways (here's a possible historical example, though it is less developed than the dualistic dysfunctional societies, thus naive & fairly easily conquered)
@JakeOrthwein a society where everybody develops their superpowers
@cecile_mcm sabbatist sabbatter sabbatimer
@lisatomic5 @__justplaying huhhhh can you unpack these a bit?
@lisatomic5 this is part of what's so messy about left/right as fixed concepts we really need more vectors along which to vote; these arbitrary alliances create unnatural categories
@m_ashcroft can't you just ride the wave of whatever feels exciting today? it's not like you have a boss demanding you work on AT stuff today not climate stuff
@maxkriegers nice. this kind of thing? (preview image) what have you been juxtaposing lately? civilizationemerging.com/higher-dimensi…
@jonnym1ller I've sometimes described myself as "listening to music with my whole body" (most people call it "dancing" but it hits different) I bet people would feel weird at how I'd move if I let my whole being respond
Retweeted @MattPirkowski
This says more about the consequence of narrow objective functions and outcome-specific optimization / reinforcement tha…
@__drewface this is attention
@__drewface love
@bobz44 @the_wilderless @nobu_hibiki community heals us
@the_wilderless I have self-verified gnosis although I've sometimes been known to perform the role of verifying collective gnosis for a group I'm part of
you know how time slows down (well, processing speeds up) for bungee jumpers and so they can read rapidly changing numbers they usually can't? is there a way to do the opposite? to shift consciousness to be able to see usually-imperceptibly-slow change...
kinda got it. managed to stare at the moon-behind-trees, with my head resting steady against something, and relax something enough that I could kinda feel/see it moving 🌲🌔🌲 🌲🌲🌲
(those photos 1min apart)
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @nosilverv body language seems to me inseparable from intention but sometimes the issue ("your attitude") is basically bs and the person is just trying to pick a fight, sure
@kalinh my fav book for this is Reinventing the Sacred by Start Kauffman. very beautiful take on a synthesis of evolution & holiness
@joshwhitkin whoa. how would that work in english? like "he wentmish to the store" would mean basically "I heard he went to the store"?
@AskYatharth lots of places that feel more or less welcoming of souls Burning Man comes to mind as quite welcoming, tho I have the fortune of having many other examples in my life ..........and now I'm wondering what the souls equivalent of shirtcocking is. nice.
what's the equivalent of shirtcocking but for souls? like you initially think their soul is covered up all proper-like but then your eyes make one little saccade and welp! 👀
Retweeted @isabelunraveled
using less words to say the same thing increases the density of your message
@Shadow_Rebbe exactly! that's why saying the obvious is so key
@giray_arat I just knew that the moon would be about 45° in the southwest sky (given its phase and the time of day) and I saw it at like 45° in the southeast sky the moon was between 🌒🌓 and it was like midnight, so the moon had to be close to setting
@giray_arat the moon's path does vary a bunch. I still haven't gotten a hang of the eccentricity or whatever (it's not on exactly the same plane as the sun) but yeah it varies by phase of moon, time of year, latitude these days I usually know roughly where the moon is at all times
@giray_arat (at all times, conditional on my knowing the compass directions or knowing where the sun is; which in an unfamiliar building at 1am I wouldn't ofc)
stating the should-be-obvious-to-both-of-us (eg "it's a nice day") can be a good place to start for collective perception & collective sensemaking (although "you're very tall" usually doesn't go over so well on that front)
related:
@sasadb @AskYatharth I've been aware of that one for awhile but it feels helpful to plug in the other half
@lolalucxy haha sounds like a hang-up ummmmm oh man this is a.... I *highly* recommend reading Punished By Rewards by Alfie Kohn, based on what you just said it talks about how external motivators not only fail, they mess up intrinsic motivation
@giray_arat haha yeah I think I saw that. great perspective. escaping to new stories also reminds me of a delightful VR game called Accounting Plus
@AskYatharth haha I mean definitely. I've been working through them for a couple years, as I think you know. and making headway!
@AskYatharth I mean yeah if you have anything that feels at least a little less obvious to say 😛 I'm aware I've got particular hangups here... though maybe not more than most people, just more visible, idk
@Morphenius @SarahAMcManus you were thinking about designing visible system flows.... uhhh 😅
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF grocery store clerk says "did you find everything you were looking for?" most of the time, unless doing a bit (which I've done) the response isn't "well, still haven't found a flat to rent or an answer to theodicy" because you know they mean "in the context of a grocery store"
@everytstudies @meditationstuff (I just want to resonate with having found bodyscanning intolerable, and mindfulness also sometimes somewhat tho usually not til I've been sitting for 10+ minutes)
@Morphenius @aphercotropist whoaaaaa. tiny bits clicking re Harding, thanks
@Evolving_Ego yo. so... to do "no"? no go.
@lillybilly299 true in terms of profit motives, but heavily influenced by american culture although I guess huh, that has a bigger difference than I thought
@adomhartell @nosilverv huh, the apk still works on my phone here's the source code (very old android app) github.com/malcolmocean/m…
@nosilverv my personal experience has been somewhat the opposite, of meditation being nice & chill for like 5-15mins, then becoming increasingly intolerable and panic-inducing afterwards this has always made me doubt the instructions etc
@metaLulie "transparent" is such a good word for it it's like I feel the world going through me for some reason cosmic rays come to mind, although it's not like I'm actually sensing them. but I feel permeable, part of the flow of the world
@bashu_thanks @strangestloop not from there, just lived there a bit in 2021 & 2022 grew up in Nova Scotia (lmk if you know anybody there as I'll be there this summer)
@HazilyRational > truth seeking, but not in dialogue with the patient I'm not exactly gonna say that if you're not dialoguing you're not truth-seeking... but... kinda.
@HazilyRational withholding your own understanding from the patient is treating them as not a partner in the truth-seeking process, which is thereby going to make it impossible for them to properly share info with you fundamentally antagonistic, even if the doctor "means well"
Replying to @DaveCBeck
@DaveCBeck probably this one, in terms of consciousness
@DaveCBeck then this if you want a follow-up
@m_ashcroft @DaveCBeck some evidence we're different people:
@georgejrjrjr > what if this incoherent autopilot ADHD shit is just my “parts” (somatically mapped subagents) fighting for motor control? If that were the case, what might bring them into alignment? something like that seems the case to me. see this post: malcolmocean.com/2023/03/art-is…
@georgejrjrjr > I demand exclusive credit for any and all mistakes. > Correct parts I attribute to [...] Cut that shit out 🙅♀️ (read this thread if you don't see why these disclaimers are fucky)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"tulpa" is a word and so is "tulpamancy" (and "-mancy" as a hyphenated suffix while we're at it)
@georgejrjrjr neat stuff. I don't recommend tulpa-mancy no matter how supposedly-noble the tulpa, based on watching a friend go crazy but yeah, learning to embody love deeper seems good
@lisatomic5 yesssssssssssssssss does this resonate? metarationality.com/meta-rational-…
@lisatomic5 I've been thinking about this stuff for awhile, under the heading of "meta-team", imagining some fluid moving in and out of projects, within a larger network but yeah it does help to have some clarity about who's seriously working on it one old sketch: malcolmocean.com/2022/05/illust…
I can accept myself as I am insofar as I can't accept myself, I can accept that insofar as I can't accept that I can't accept myself, I can accept that but it's okay if I can't do that either
Retweeted @univrsw3th4rt
more ppl should be posting short vids of themselves talking as if on a facetime call
@prairie_gal1 @BellerophonIAM anybody know how long the issue has been going on?
if you really really wanna reply with a gif but twitter isn't letting you post it (idk what's going on there) you can go to tenor.com, search there, rightclick & save the file, then drag it into the composer window (unless you're on mobile in which case there's no helping you)
@wholebodyprayer @JacksonFlea yeah, it's a stance of distrust towards the world/situation
@wholebodyprayer @JacksonFlea in some sense it's a sign you're relating to the situation with your left hemisphere, which isn't likely to be good if the situation is a social one
@FractalAuth @meansinfinity yeah, the key is you don't want to be focusing on it as a checklist you want to be vibing in that direction, and letting your whole being say yes to a whole person if they feel right the list is to get you excited and moving in the direction. can't marry a list anyway.
@prairie_gal1 @BellerophonIAM I just got it today anyway, I figured out how to post a gif to twitter despite that. a few more steps, but *sometimes* worth it
@visakanv fuckyeah, stoked about this when I wrote this ultra-dense piece, I kept it as one continuous flow, no "then I'll get to this whole bit later". any paragraph+ edits involved removing everything to a separate doc malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
@visakanv not sure if clear so I'll restate if I found myself wanting to add something a few paragraphs back, I would just remove everything after that point (copy to other doc) then start again from there kept it flowier than other long dense writing
@sensefulronin @AlmostMedia @jonnym1ller yeah I really liked this paper
@__drewface happy to gift an Intend subscription to any of my friends for whom money's tight and it'd make a difference to their being able to focus their time & energy on what matters! (Intend is the new name for my app formerly known as Complice) intend.do/?utm_source=tw…
new captcha just dropped it's a trippy shape rotation test holy shit
they're making me do 5 of them, also here's a different one
it said I failed, and after 3 "failed" attempts (of 5 each) I am concluding there's a bug, because this puzzle is really not that hard and I do understand the instructions poor people who would doubt themselves instead tho
feels like the opening to a video game in the not-so-distant future we'll be able to give this clip to an AI and it'll make the whole game. wild. twitter.com/shouldhaveanim…
Replying to @BrunoArine
@BrunoArine haha nice! I had a lot of symbolism in mind but that wasn't even one I'd thought of but there is a kind of magical thing of making things happen in your life, of like... how did I get from here to there?? and Intend is all about that
@MattPirkowski Oof, well-put. Can you say more about how an appreciation of this used to be part of the left's pillar? I can see it having relevance to like "look, believe what you want but that doesn't give you the right to oppress me" or something
Retweeted @MattPirkowski
One's identification with an idea does not make others hateful for questioning the implications and consequences of said…
@visakanv so many obvious-in-retrospect syntheses waiting to happen
@visakanv ooof yeah I've been recently flipping this to focus on creating more wealth in the world (of the kind of wealth I want to create)
reflecting that while people are making fun of the dream bf tweet in part for its ambition, there are people who would consider 6' too short, or $500k too low and many others would never want someone making that much money in other words, this isn't everyone's dream
most people wouldn't settle for your dream bf this is not because you have low standards this is because if you get specific enough with your dream, most people would rather NOT date that person.
put another way
@visakanv I think part of what's going on is that people fail to see how the match really is 2-way. this isn't a generic good bf, this is *her* dream bf.
a corollary of this is that if most people would date your dream bf, you aren't dreaming specifically enough!
@visakanv @__sangheetha__ seems like the internet is probably a big influence here?
@mechanical_monk haha yeah missed opp for a hilarious exchange where it dawns on them that you know EXACTLY what they're talking about "huh, so a bunch of people talk on twitter... but it sounds like instead of cringe-dunking, they're.... focusing their time & energy on what they want to see"
@forthrighter some girardian shit here I think. I haven't gone down the rabbit hole but I've peered down it and ofc envy (this vid is 💯) youtube.com/watch?v=aPhrTO…
Replying to @clayranck
@clayranck @gifkeyboard it's messing up gifs through the native gif-poster on desktop
@visakanv ahhh, yeah. they want you to believe that their points are the right points without realizing that actually this is a recipe for disaster because it's what makes the games zero sum
@MattPirkowski ahhh, nice. yes, parallel between "hate speech" and "apostasy" resonates like there ARE calls to violence towards categories of people, but lots of things are getting called "hate speech" that are more like confusion or disagreement or even reactive meanness short of hatred
@Evolving_Ego Impressive? I'm pressing empires. In present, IM presidents.
@PoemsWeBurned @JakeOrthwein I love it, but haven't read the rest of his stuff to compare with. I wouldn't describe it as that dense tho, so might be a better starting point.
@nosilverv > This seems good/to be expected to me? so like conceptually that makes some amount of sense but idk how to square it with > often takes 20 min just to get out of monkeymind and people talking about getting calmer as they stay in meditation
@nosilverv that reply was from before I read the quotes the quotes sound like renunciate shit, which I'm not into. sensation is great, pleasure's great, thoughts are great. but they're also about serious meditation, and idk, maybe I was following some generic mindfulness stuff
@nosilverv I feel like my mind works pretty differently from lots of other peoples, and their generalizations don't fit Sam Harris in the WU app sometimes says "our minds are constantly thinking, and most of their thoughts aren't very nice" but like most of mine are pretty delightful
@nosilverv and in the aromeditation.org email course, they have one exercise where you try to have as many thoughts as possible for your sit (20min) & the reflecting is like "that was hard and kind of unpleasant, right?" and I'm like "nah it was great, way better than the other thing
@nosilverv some notes from around that time (nearly 4y ago, wow. lots has changed for me since then) (also I now think that framing this stuff in terms of addition or commitment is a pro-compartmentalizing approach, which I am no longer into AT ALL. fuck that noise)
@joshwhitkin ah whereas in Turkish it doesn't inherently carry that connotation? wow, I love it also @aphercotropist this is kinda your jam
I recorded a lil video talking about the rebranding of complice.co to intend.do (the latter now redirects to the former) I'll be sharing a lot more reflections on intentionality in the coming weeks
More thoughts on intentionality - on how being a person means that if something takes 30 happy minutes that's better than 20 shitty mins. I'd love to hear about situations you're grappling with and offer my perspective on them. Daily workflow stuff, inner conflicts big or small
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance oooooh wow, yeah. a sense of "oh, you're in there. I see you. namaste" namaste is substrate-independent; we're all made out of the same silly-string
namaste is substrate-independent; we're all made out of the same silly-string
@EnyeWord @__drewface I heard it was acquired by some people who put creepy tracking shit in it, unless I'm mis-remembering I don't remember the details, there are some articles from 2021 duckduckgo.com/?q=audacity+ac…
a moment of silence for the folks who got traumatized into believing "funner" isn't a word ... *exhale*
@univrsw3th4rt how's this?
@univrsw3th4rt it's maybe a little presentation-y but then I'm sometimes like that in conversation too
"...their soul, by which I mean their relevance realization function"
what's a weird bespoke mapping you have between two terms, that other people might know but wouldn't consider so connected or equivalent? doesn't have to be 100% unique to you, just uncommon here's one of mine:
apparently 104 bpm counts as downtempo I figured out how to get youtube to give me more the kind of mix I want though, which is that I can actually just search "80 bpm mix" and there are some results! dismayed that these apps don't have this as a basic filter tho. so easy!
Retweeted @Jeanvaljean689
Perceptual control theory, in action! (TLDR: Everything, in the end, is about choosing what parts of existence/reality…
Thread · My existence is its own justification
I used to sometimes feel like I needed to justify my own existence, until I realized: my existence itself is justification for my existence. it is literally an existence proof that I am welcome in the universe—no further justification required
now, if some strange tyrant wanted to kill me unless I were useful to him or her, perhaps I would need to justify getting to *continue* to live, but I don't need to justify the fact that I already do. I simply do. have a look.
maybe "I" fucked up people up on the way here—externalities or whatever... sure, we may need to account for that in order to go forward from here!
there may be karma to untangle, but I don't need to justify my being, to my own self or to anyone else who can observe it. it IS.
I feel like the confusion I'm talking about above is pretty common, to greater and lesser extents but if what I said doesn't land for you, either you don't have the confusion yourself or it's blocked under something else. the thing I saw self-evidently cleaned mine up.
custom domain for substack? I'd kinda prefer to keep it as a substack url, but it seems like a good idea in terms of having things preview properly when posted to twitter
@SwipeWright yep, most atrocities are done in the name of good
@SwipeWright also this:
Retweeted @IntendApp
"We do these things not because they are easy, but because we thought they would be easy."
this is a really important question and I'd love to see peoples' answers to it (although if you haven't seriously thought about it already, maybe do so in a journal to start, rather than tweeting, so you get more of your actual thoughts and less "what sounds good")
@QiaochuYuan @impartialpim Keith Johnstone has some good paragraphs on this, that I keep handy:
@meekaale weirdly flat tails on the bell-curve there cute cartoon evolution tho
@aleksil79 That's what they want us to think. You know what they say...
@JimmyRis you might dig the @IntendApp New Tab Page, which is a little like this, but for a browser you have your list, or your current thing, and it reminds you of it every time you open a new tab. I sometimes leave a whole window open with just this, pinned atop chrome.google.com/webstore/detai…
@JimmyRis @IntendApp in order to actually make the level of change / intention-injection I'd like, I'd need control of the whole browser, since extensions are kind of underpowered (I can't even dynamically change the theme color to reflect the active goal!) I've seriously thought about it, and might
@JimmyRis @IntendApp here's a tweet from @andy_matuschak that's been inspiring to me on this front—a whole OS that has as a primitive the user's intentions/goals/values.
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"nondual" is a word (surprised I hadn't added this already)
@m_ashcroft I really like the structures described on fitzel.ca (use the menu to access the other structures) something satisfyingly nondual about how everything is 3 sets of 3; there's no either/ors to be found anywhere fitzel.ca/enneagram/harm…
@m_ashcroft here are screenshots of the different structures. it gives a sense that each type has something in common with each other type
@m_ashcroft yeah, you don't need a definitive answer! play around with it, entertain multiple hypotheses, view yourself through different lenses
@m_ashcroft @jmcmichael oooh I'd never seen a chart quite this clear/precise
Retweeted @IntendApp
> why don't people spontaneously do the right thing all the time? why "procrastination" or "akrasia"? my current answer:…
@jonathanallard These are not separate, that's what the "uni" part means.
@ErgoEcho Nice. Oh snap yeah this connects with some stuff Vervaeke talks about around how linear logic & causality doesn't explain life because it is the cause of itself.
@KaseyKlimes I figured twitter probably just filters based on domain. Bit of a pain to dig deeper. Though I guess they're already doing an http request to get the card preview data anyway so maybe its basically free
Replying to @BrunoArine
@BrunoArine Oooh yeah!
@ungatedcreative Yeah! I've got a minifesto here: intend.do/intentionality
@selfawareplant People don't realize that in a very important sense necessarily your dream partner wants to date you. Maybe there's some becoming that occurs as part of that, but someone who checks your boxes but isn't attracted to you overall and accepting of your limitations... Ain't it.
smbc is way too nihilistic and misanthropic can someone recommend me a new daily webcomic so I can stop checking that one? recurring themes good, but no backlog of a plot to wade through first
@GravelessUniv hmmmm Dumbing Of Age looks like a giant story that I'll need to go back and catch up on first before it's engaging
Retweeted @relic_radiation
honestly after all my science training, I consider energetic descriptions of “this herb has a cooling effect, this her…
@frideswyth I've heard that in some cases it's possible & relieving to "let those parts die", without actually dying as an organism something something meeseeks
Replying to @nat_sharpe_
@nat_sharpe_ @relic_radiation yeah I had twitter blue back when it only revealed you had it via you taking advantage of its features (posting longer vids, editing, etc) literally they would warn you "if you use those features, people will know you have twitter blue". it was also $4/mo then
@nat_sharpe_ @relic_radiation frankly I think elon was an idiot for making it a political thing whether you pay for twitter, rather than just being like "hey guys we've got some dope new features if you're willing to pay for them" (and use that for algos to help fight bots, but not *START* with that emph)
@nat_sharpe_ @relic_radiation Elon, I think, didn't realize the extent to which an average twitter user is more plagued by ads than by bots as him, he's got bots impersonating him tryna sell bitcoin, bots spamming his replies to the point where he can't find useful replies (tho also human simps & haters)
hook me up with your favorite Rob Burbea talk(s) 👇 (if you're aware of a talk on integrating insights, I'm extra-interested in that!)
...but doctor, I *am* self-reference!
🤩 "how do I get from not being enlightened to being enlightened?" 🤔 "enlightened?" 🤩 "yeah!" 🧐 "starting from... not being enlightened?" 🤩 "well yeah!" 😅 "...well, I wouldn't start from there"
I couldn't find a good version of the joke. I find the part where the local repeats each part is key to its comedy, but 🤷♀️ here's the source above tho wiki.c2.com/?YouCantGetThe… & the inspiration came from reading @Meaningness re "dormitive principle" vividness.live/your-self-is-n…
@utotranslucence > puzzling over the nature of coercion sounds like my vocation 😂
@utotranslucence mmmm reminds me of this concept, which I'm now remembering I first came up with while on a call with you! malcolmocean.com/2020/10/deadli…
grammatically, is "shame on you" a curse?
and for my next trick, I'll fix the part of myself that feels like I desperately need fixing
@aleksil79 what is it then?
Retweeted @EndOfSequence
Have you tried the problem? It’s delicious.
@EndOfSequence This might be my favorite yet.
@visakanv @MichelleAkin Hm, which ones? Sometimes it seems to me like the person's problem is really that they haven't been adequately heard about some way that don't feel seen or something, so this becomes an opportunity to blurt it out. I've done this and seen others do it. Has desperate energy.
@selfawareplant Exactly! There's a reason that's there.
Retweeted @MattPirkowski
Words circumscribe experience like the hand grips an object: only partially, at contact points of affordance amenable to…
@MattPirkowski @aphercotropist relevant to our recent convos
@RichDecibels Not gonna say I was on the fence earlier but I'm definitely a "yes" now
@the_wilderless astrology tbh
Retweeted @relic_radiation
they call it ‘nonviolent ‘communication’’ but the part of it where you identify your own needs and take them seriousl…
Okay this is literally one of the funniest things I've seen. Like not top 3 but clear top 100. But why did the person filming not give him the attention he wanted? Missed opportunity to reinforce how hilarious he is. (Unless he can see all the RTs and knows we love him)
@visakanv @MichelleAkin Ahh yeah, the tweet is clearly *relevant* to the person, even if they're (perhaps correctly!) identifying that it's not helpful or "on point" for them. Although in that they may then be focusing their time and energy on something they want to see less of.
@michael_nielsen I personally find this guy inspirational for making the idea of stretching FEEL exciting. He also seems to just mix it into daily life. youtube.com/shorts/scIV4JL…
@michael_nielsen I've enjoyed treating it as a kind of spiritual movement practice, really getting into my breath etc.
@aleksil79 Ha. Although tends to backfire and produce neuroses. It also usually does not have the *tone* of a blessing.
Retweeted @Jeanvaljean689
You 👏 can't 👏 change 👏 how 👏 you feel 👏 with 👏 an 👏 effort 👏 of 👏 will You know what you CAN do though? You can learn…
@ungatedcreative galaxy brain improvement over "diligence" which is where I'd come to
you don't have to beat yourself up you don't have to beat yourself up for beating yourself up you don't have to beat yourself up for beating yourself up for beating yourself up but it's okay if you do (probably still doesn't help but 🤷♀️)
Replying to @jeremiahrogers
@jeremiahrogers @OmrySendik @eshear Thiiiiiiis ^ hadn't noticed that before but it makes the whole thing clearly suspect. Like it means we might see a growing giant spike on the right even if literally the relative wealth of the top 0.01% went *down*. I wonder how you could make the same chart without that issue…
@OmrySendik @eshear It actually doesn't even say that! (It doesn't *contradict* that, but it doesn't say it!!) It's not "how much money do these people have", it's "how many people have this much money?" (at least $200k) The histogram isn't money per percentile, it's people per money-range.
@visakanv @MichelleAkin aay lmao For me oof always has a quality of acceptance, like the "I'm in this photo and I don't like it" meme
@__drewface Might be a good time to call them something other than podcasts, even if we host them on podcasting platforms! Basically it's like "we can spread our culture by having a lot of conversations publicly"
@RichDecibels can't be done not just in practice but by definition because the one who belongs is not you
@eshear Ha, I love your thinking.
Replying to @grantadever
@grantadever TSA Pre is pretty great (3-30× faster, and fewer steps) although it's a shame to have to pay for the privilege of a reasonable passage through the thing.
@danallison Bahahaha fucking amazing.
@danallison This vibes with this thread by @nosilverv about self-improvement and Heidegger and how you've already lost once you take yourself as an object to be improved.
@jonnym1ller Here's a cluster of innovations that sort of seem like one thing to me: - systems thinking - metamodernism - developmental thinking - coherence-based / synthesis-oriented thinking - multiperspectival stuff - 4E cogsci (embodied, embedded, enacted, extended) - @Meaningness
Retweeted @nat_sharpe_
more ways exist to fulfill your desires than you can possibly imagine
@eshear And one that doesn't do the stupid binning thing that makes it look like a tiny group of people are getting way richer instead of an increasing number joining the rich Maybe could do it by having the $5k bins just keep going up, and layer each segment in front in a new color.
@eshear Like this, with legends of course. Then it would really show how everyone is getting richer.
Beautiful artsy slowmo vid, with no wasted time. Both a talented performance and clever edits. "playing with time" feels like a good name here youtu.be/gooWdc6kb80
@EthanReeder Got one amazing introduction when I first moved to BC, that gave me an in to a lovely social circle that I connected with really well. Probably would have met them eventually but it could have been literally years.
@visakanv I feel like your stuff about scenius & Erasmus has stuck with me the most.
@visakanv Ahh this is lovely. Doesn't quite capture my experience of getting lost meditating and being unable to really locate myself in the flowchart at all let alone choose to do anything about it, but hmmm... might help with that somewhat to have a visual tbh.
@_StevenFan Glad the tweet exists
@_StevenFan Here's another poll
@gptbrooke On a different level (or not?) integrating diligence with self-love.
@nosilverv That's dope. I have had one or two experiences of being like "wait, I'm holding myself back here or trying really hard and that would matter if this weren't a dream but it is so whatever" which also feels like a cool insight?
@visakanv @danallison @nosilverv Yeah, don't try to write the right thing, just try to write a thing worth writing.
@visakanv and then like "wait I was meditati—sasparilla, Tarantino..." like I feel like if I were able to get steady again for one whole breath then maybe that'd be progress, but it has mostly felt like drowning and eventually I gave up spiritually waterboarding myself
"Whatever it is that I’m doing—if I pay attention to it, I’m going to benefit. I’m going to learn something."
source: Cheri Huber, in a book called There's Nothing Wrong With You which is a mix of: - inspiring examples of self-hate and self-love 🤯 - annoying counteractive approaches that involve pushing away your self-hate self-righteously rather than integrating it 😑
IF I KNEW HOW TO DO THE THING THAT'S SO OBVIOUSLY GOOD, I’D BE DOING IT. AND IF I’M NOT, I GUESS IT ISN’T SO OBVIOUSLY GOOD THEN IS IT.
you talk about throwin' shade but trees are pretty great
idk who needs to hear this (it's 13yo me) but you can still be a cool guy and feel good about yourself even if you haven't yet figured out the puzzle of getting girls to kiss you
god grant me the courage to accept the things I cannot change
in relating with my temporal selves, I have *two chances* to hold it collaboratively
@behaviary I can find lots of playlists but that doesn't tell me where to start
If you "if you're not with us you're against us" people, you're gonna end up with some people seeming against you, because they aren't with you... but that's on you for making it a binary.
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"lightbulb" and "checkmark" and "mockup" are all words seriously, you think you can't smoosh those together when we have "cupboard" and "firetruck" with no hyphen? ..."smoosh" is also a word.
@AskYatharth mmmm yeah, but I think part of the source of my shame is something like... nobody I respected had even bothered to say "legit it's okay" so directly in the first place so my message would have been sort of removing some of that pressure in the first place
Nearly a decade in, I've renamed the app I made that helps people orient each day to what's meaningful to them. The new name reflects how the system has evolved over the years and my vision for it going forward. I wrote a post about why I changed the name & how I chose "Intend"
here's a link to the post, which is on my new substack "Intentionality": intentionality.substack.com/p/complice-is-… you can also follow the @IntendApp twitter account
and here's me talking about it out loud:
supposedly a guy did a whistleblowing about UFOs bit of a funny thing in that if he just made it up (I have no idea) it'll be very hard for them to prove that no such alien materials exist. hard to show an absence.
> A high-performance eye tracking system of LEDs and infrared cameras projects invisible light patterns onto each eye. Vaguely feeling like this could be unhealthy, sort of like how we didn't understand the implications of blue light (and many still don't)
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"themself" is a word. if we're gonna have singular they, we're gonna have "themself". matter of time ha, yep, already happening: (currently 1/700 as much as "themselves" but it should stay below 1/10 since most "they" isn't singular anyway)
@telmudic yeah it's not quite "anyone who tells you something else is a liar" it's "anyone who tells you something else is trying to cuck you (and likely themself already cucked)" more like bullshitting than lying, but they're defs tryna to sell you something
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"defs" is a word
"tryna" is a word
Replying to @Patticus
@Patticus @eshear so what you're saying is you're in on the joke Poe's law strikes again
@kitten_beloved there's a great article on this — Michael O Church's theory of 3 class ladders in America web.archive.org/web/2014012102…
@kitten_beloved • Secondary Labor (L4, 30%) is what we call the “working poor” • Primary Labor (L3, 20%) ~ “blue-collar” • High-skill Labor (L2, 14%) - job security: plumbers, airline pilots. can make >$100k • Labor Leadership (L1, 1%) is what blue-collar America tends to associate w success
@kitten_beloved • Transitional Gentry (G4, 5%) - community college, from L2 • Primary Gentry (G3, 16%) degrees, professional jobs • High Gentry (G2, 2.45%) elite colleges - professor, scientist, entrepreneur • Cultural Influencers (G1, 0.05%) $ varies but "interesting" & have access to ppl
@kitten_beloved • The Strivers (E4, 0.5%) - transitional; Jr investment bankers etc • Elite Servants (E3, 0.8%) - law-firm partners, Sr bankers, CEOs. dirty work • National Elite (E2, 0.19%) “upper class” / old money”. Hamptons, work optional • Global Elite (E1, ~60k worldwide, ~20k in US)
I am *extremely here for* physics-based explanations of biological phenomena. biology is a science of what is, what could be. open-ended, divergent physics is a science of what *must* be. closed, convergent. evolution dances in the constraints quantamagazine.org/a-thermodynami…
my other main favorite example of this is Scale by Geoffrey West, which maps out various geometric and metabolic constraints that result in certain surprising constant scaling laws among all species
oh also this recent trippy research on Assembly Theory which measures evolutionary complexity and thereby time I don't pretend to understand it much, let alone fully, but it seems very exciting > a universal [eg other planets] life-detection system aeon.co/essays/time-is…
wild roses smell SO much better than the ones that have been bred to have no thorns source: me, who stopped and smelled roses twice on his walk this morning 🌹
@PavlosProkopeas @BecomingCritter check out this article by some physicists who've found a way to measure time in objects
Retweeted @visakanv
implicit assumption in this question is that looks/physical attractiveness is something that's broadly similar across the boa…
@visakanv "what kind of people like your type" does this actually hold? like clearly somewhat (goth wants to date goth or whatever) but it seems to me that the puzzle is more like... by definition, your type is the subset of "maybe your type" that also likes you / the type you are
@visakanv like I'm questioning the "what KIND OF people like your type"... is there actually an easy way of categorizing them? that seems like a big claim and one that would make things kinda way more messy
weeiiiiird I set an intention to welcome everything and now all this stuff is coming up
(this is weird because I've set an intention to welcome everything before and it didn't do that 😅)
@visakanv I had an idea for an exercise that I think would be great for teenagers (or anyone who missed this step in their development) which is to basically hang out and look at groups of [people of candidate gender] and talk about "she's hotter... but she's my type" to hone distinction
@the_wilderless - what if I'd missed the talk where I found contact improv via which I found a community I lived in for 8y? - what if the timing hadn't been perfect such that I did a CFAR workshop in 2013? - what if I hadn't been online the day the guy roped me into joining his burning man camp?
@the_wilderless I don't like speculating about *choosing* differently because it tends to produce regret, so you'll notice that all of the above are more butterfly-effect-ish: very plausible adjacent timelines that didn't require me to be a a different sort of person at the time
@visakanv I've done a little bit of this with one friend while walking around a crowded area and it felt *great* really relieving of the idea that it's all one big zero-sum competition and we started being able to be like "she's kinda your type..."
@visakanv sure, there is some sort of overall calculus of "hotter"; some mix of: - physiological features that track health (symmetry, complexion, etc) - vibe stuff: confidence/presence/alive - current fashions in clothes/makeup and in body types - competitive drive BUT that's not all
@visakanv at some point I will stare at René Girard's stuff on mimetic desire, which is clearly relevant but for now I'll just say that succumbing to mimetic desire is kinda the same as being cucked 😅 (and it happens to all of us at least a bit!)
@Artischoke ha! yeah. read Reinventing the Sacred to get a taste of... ...basically the original concept of science was that it would let you predict things deterministically, but it turns out that that's not possible in open-ended sciences for combinatoric reasons related to exaptation
@Artischoke exaptation = evolutionary remixing / repurposing of something that was originally used for one thing to be used for another eg what are fingers for? I use mine for typing, mostly & right now, but having digits goes back a LONG way; originally more for grabbing/balancing
@Artischoke better example, since typing isn't actually exerting bio evolutionary pressure on humans... mouths/throats originated for eating, but once it became adaptive to make calls (mating, warning about threats, whatever) pressure emerged that optimized in that direction
Replying to @vivekt17
@vivekt17 seems to me that physics is a science that lets you make predictions and have them run the same way each time and it applies to the whole universe = "must be" biology, psychology, etc... is the study of specific things that have emerged on this planet
@vivekt17 "physics" is not quite where to draw this boundary—chemistry is the same, so is astronomy math is a weird case but is definitely closer to this than it is to the open-ended sciences
@plaiceholder374 @eshear I literally think that's probably what the chart creators wanted you to think as for why it *works*... the people here are pretty fake, like some are dying and being born throughout this; this is a measure of "fraction of population" which is pretty unintuitive
Replying to @vibeshepherd
@THEVIBESHEPHERD the wrong thing is totally obvious to whatever part of you is doing it!
Retweeted @phantom_opus
[Trading authenticity for belonging]
@AskYatharth @kitten_beloved it really is! and it's not even perfect or complete, imo like I'm not sure what it's missing but I can really feel the sense in which it's written by one guy with a perspective, not from some deeply authoritative "this is in fact exactly how things are"
@chercher_ai hahahaha I resonate with this
@the_wilderless just straight up depends on the sense in which we're using the word
cool exploration happening in replies, that I want to RT but it's locked fortunately, I can amplify it (to anyone who also follows this person) —without *even* exposing the username because twitter only looks at the number when resolving tweet urls twitter.com/nottherealuser…
@aneeshm yep! (non-exclusive) options at that point: A. decide to metabolize a bunch of the world's karma today and just listen for a long time B. tell them you're at your limit when you're at your limit C. check in periodically & say "okay, there's still something I want to be heard on"
@aneeshm basically they may really want to be heard, but you also want to be heard, and they may want to keep talking long past the point where they've been heard enough for them to hear you so you can take leadership for trying to speak again, and if another objection arises, repeat
@aneeshm and depending on the nature of the relationship, if there appear to be too many things in the way— for your patience! & your needs in the situation! there's no objective measure —it's probably time to just take a step back from the whole situation
I've been confusing allegiances and alliances tweeting this note to self: 🤝 alliance is mutual obligations 👑 allegiance is obligations to a lord/sovereign/cause
interestingly, both come from "*lieg-" meaning "to tie, bind" (same source as "oblige", "religion", "deligate", "ligament", "liaison", "rely") "alliance" originally meant "bond of marriage [between rulers specifically!!]"
huh, vaguely spicy thought: this suggests that actually "allies" to a cause or group of oppressed people are better understood as "lieges" if there's no reciprocal obligation to them!
@forthrighter yeah and I think the motte-bailey here is "I am allying with you, oppressed person, thereby treating you as my equal" vs "I am pledging allegiance to THIS GIANT MEMETIC EGREGORE WHICH DOES NOT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT ME AND WILL HAPPILY USE ME AS CANNON FODDER"
@jonnym1ller don't worry about trying to have the coolest About page; I've already achieved it 😉 malcolmocean.com/about/
wishing metarationality.com were finished, and tempted to try writing my own version of it 3 great reasons: - I'll learn a lot - others can read it - if it's bad then @Meaningness will be compelled to finish it in order to correct me muahaha 😈
@nickredmark yesss I haven't even finished it myself but it keeps teasing me!
@Artischoke mmmm yup! if you want to dive into some of the vibe of exaptation & eternal patterns more, this video evokes something really beautiful about it
emptiness is truer than a meme sure, memes can help you experience it but if you let other people tell you what the implications of emptiness are, you're filling it up again
the idea that we understand emptiness the same way; that we're on the same page about it can only be true with respect to some purpose, not absolutely
@forthrighter I mean you probably paused for at least a sec before you did tho (and then conceded that you didn't exactly have a better option under the circumstances)
great thread. I also have a pretty wide range of uncertainty on how hard AI Safety is, maybe with the big lump more between Apollo and P-vs-NP
@yashkaf haha wow. I saw the outline and knew it wasn't actually addressing the actual question but this is impressively bad. it'd be a semi-reasonable post tho if the title & conclusion were "context you might want to have for interpreting people who are concerned about AI". it is!
from Reinventing the Sacred by Stuart Kauffman vibes with stuff I've been talking about with @Morphenius about finding a new nondual way of being we've been riffing in part on @AndrewCutler13's work detailing how we might have exited Eden in the first place
The whole is equal to the ⚝ of its parts.
@itinerantfog yup exactly—to be clear I was resonating with you. almost QT'd with "mood" actually. > extra cautious not to suggest that it's an "it" yeah I still need @utotranslucence to call me out on this one periodically, but I'm getting a feel as I iterate 😅
@itinerantfog yeah all good man! not sure I understand what you're saying here, or how it's a disagreement from what I said, vs just a riff or corollary
@youlynew @itinerantfog "the space where you deposit infinity" I couldn't help but think of this (from the epic trippy game Patrick's Parabox)
@itinerantfog yeah man and I got there WAY more via people pointing it out to me than by meditating* *(which I also did a bit of and it may have helped but it was clearly not sufficient and was not clearly necessary)
@itinerantfog both by - people pointing it out to me, personally, directly - and by reading buddhist texts, reading Dave Chapman, reading stuff about perceptual control theory, reading Iain McGilchrist's stuff on the brain hemispheres
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"synchronicities" is a word synchronicities are also as real as things are (which is to say kinda) tho a synchronicity is not a thing youtube.com/watch?v=xECcdH…
@itinerantfog related to brain hemispheres and to "no such THING as emptiness" you might dig this tiny vid talking about how "things" and "synchronicities" are both real, but only-sorta-kinda
@forthrighter I think technically it just fucks up your access to basically every social service including maybe things like getting a driver's license this allows them to call it "voluntary" even though it's clearly coerced
Thread · Why flight aggregators can't be trusted to find the cheapest fare
help! I'm trying to buy some cheap-ish international flights and wow is it hard to figure out what's going on - google flights says this two-hop flight = $520 -airline site doesn't show it (tho can buy each for $$$$) -booking.com says "sure" but then booking mysteriously fails
I want a... system for searching all possible flights... that is like... open-source and DAO-owned or some shit so that it's somehow *verifiably* finding the exact answer to "what's the cheapest flight that meets my criteria?"
or something. my guess is that part of what's going on here is that these sites are incentivized to show you cheap options that don't quite exist, because then like a casino you'll be like "ooh" and drawn towards them and end up buying some other option from them
because like at the first phase you might look on 3 different aggregator sites, and any that don't show cheap options the others do is gonna look bad (even if those options don't exist or become WAY more pricy with baggage)
but if you had a different way to trust that if this site isn't showing you an option it's because that option isn't gettable... then you could just go to that one and really not worry about the rest
AI is gonna make this pretty interesting. like right now SW airlines doesn't show up on many aggregators, maybe because their loyalty strategy involves getting people to search direct with them so they don't want to be on the aggregators? but an AI agent could still book it
a friend once quoted another friend as saying "in a just universe, effort would directly correlate with results" and I was like "....he wants to live in a world without intelligence? that's literally what that would be."
Made my first LW post in awhile, composed primarily of: - some notes I took while grappling with Reinventing the Sacred back in 2017 when it was right at my edge - reflections today on the role of defensiveness/distrust in learning lesswrong.com/posts/eXo7dHyi…
I'm visiting London & Berlin this Sept! I have my flight into London Sept 6 and my flight outa Berlin Sept 25 but haven't yet decided when to fly between them lmk if you wanna host me on a bed or couch, and feel free to try to seduce me to one city or the other with an event
context on London trip is that I want to go deeper into the Alexander Technique hype that @m_ashcroft & @metaLulie have been talking about, and meet their teacher Peter Nobes 🤸♀️
context on Berlin trip is that I'm going to the LW Community Weekend... as keynote speaker! (something feels kinda funny about being the only official speaker at an unconference 😆) lesswrong.com/posts/DjdaZ6Gp…
very exciting theory. clarifies and simplifies thinking about minds in general, not just autism. I really like the "godshatter" reference from A Fire Upon the Deep (a fav book of mine)
@meekaale In Nova Scotia it means "Buddy!" (which sometimes but not always translates as "fuck you")
Retweeted @the_wilderless
Gonna get the crypto folks into Somatic Resonance by switching my frame: Centralized Awareness (my “me” is mostly in…
@RichDecibels Sounds juicy but I'm not gonna pretend I'm likely to sign up for it. Although your microsolidarity course is one of the only ones I've really enjoyed or completed in years, so you might have a shot.
Book club but it's just a DM group where we excitedly share excerpts & remixes and you don't even have to have the book let alone read it
@nwilliams030 This very trippy take on human origins vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
@amicusadastra Bandlength
Retweeted @BenRatkaj
Ephesians 6 hits different when you understand memetic warfare and recognize that Paul also understood it …
@kitten_beloved Nah there's a better option
@the_wilderless it's for waluigi-related reasons they wouldn't need to say it if it weren't in question
@the_wilderless See also I Won't Give Up by Jason Mraz — beautiful song, but again... why did he need to write it?
@sunofdopamine ahhh cool, makes sense!
@nwilliams030 yeah in addition to the economic stuff it's important to know that typical passenger jets are capable of WAY more shenanigans than anybody realizes ribbonfarm.com/2012/05/09/wel…
Retweeted @__drewface
LessWrong deserves more credit for its role in the online intellectual scene we inherited -- especially the kind, good-fait…
@Jeanvaljean689 Bahaha amazing analogy
Any comparison of an AI's test results to average human ones needs to adjust for TDTPT factor. Current LLMs would probably score at the top of the charts on The Desire To Pass Tests!
@jonnym1ller I have two things to say. One: TDTPT
@jonnym1ller Two: Construct Validity
@__drewface Something in what you're saying resonates with this insight I had that came from puking up the concept of "content marketing" (the word "content" was invented by advertisers to refer to that-which-is-not-ads 🤢)
Retweeted @univrsw3th4rt
idk if this is a cynical take or just an astute observation, but i’ve noticed that pretty early on, like upon first meet…
@univrsw3th4rt You could make a running thread that you QT all the poems in! That would be easier to skim than search results that just say "poem" but the poem is one tweet over (I see why you might not want to have any text in the main post)
there's a thing it feels like when a group (couple, team, whatever) is in sync and in flow together and the mere presence of someone with whom that flow isn't possible (which could just be because they have a concern others are ignoring) adds friction
@the_wilderless Entire Revisions album by Glitch Mob (it's a few hours of them mashing up and remixing their own tracks)
@p_millerd Put them on your shoulder and pat their back gently, and they should produce (gas)
Retweeted @cwhowell123
So I followed @GaryMarcus's suggestion and had my undergrad class use ChatGPT for a critical assignment. I had them all ge…
@justavagrant_ Yesssss this is the way
Retweeted @made_in_cosmos
our culture can't conceive of femininity beyond the maiden archetype because it doesn't value much beyond personal happ…
"sometimes people's projections are the canary in the coalmine for your blindspots" — @dkazand
Retweeted @MattPirkowski
In a sane world, we’d throw Biden *and* Trump in jail, ban past & present DNC / RNC affiliated candidates from any / all…
inasmuch as I have blindspots, my writing will tend to obfuscate them (while revealing them on a different level) in how it constructs the world
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@AaronEstel @Boojumsblood Congrats!
Retweeted @tombsheets
@eigenrobot the core problem of philosophy to be solved is how to explain in an convincing way what you learn by getting ol…
@WilliamAEden It's a shame "you can't run for president if the FBI is currently investigating you for a felony" seemed too obvious & absurd to enshrine in the Constitution
@WilliamAEden Fair. I still feel like there's gotta be a way to phrase it that wouldn't have that issue, but thinking about it for a minute I'm not sure what it would be. The media/memetic landscape is more FUBAR than I think the founding fathers could have anticipated.
Retweeted @freshperspected
holding multiple perspectives opens up a whole new dimension
@AskYatharth Baha oof.
@itinerantfog @youlynew It's an extremely delightful puzzle game.
@AndrewCutler13 @Morphenius Oh interesting! I'd love to talk. I've been mapping the something-more space for quite awhile and your theories are plugging quite beautifully into that.
@AndrewCutler13 @Morphenius It does broadly seem that Christianity, Buddhism, etc, are trying to do something relevant, but afaict they're: A) confused about whether the aim is back-to-Eden or forward beyond B) memetically corrupted (once misalignment between egos and super-egos, exploitation emerges)
Those looking to find the cosmos's invariances will find them, and will thereby find each other.
@Artischoke Perhaps! We seem to be converging.
Consider 3 scales of getting along: 1. Self 2. Groups 3. Everyone Interestingly, 1 & 3 have something in common: there is no away! Coordination in groups can sometimes be solved by a breakup or deconversion or quitting, but you're stuck with your parts & we're stuck as a whole.
@visakanv This prompted me to tweet this thought I'd had recently. In practice secession not usually available for solving large-scale governance problems so yeah, it's closer to an everyone, which is like a self.
@WilliamAEden I don't have a sense of how bad it got there... I feel like the fact that it's legal to buy political ads undermines the very notion that what we have is even a democracy. Not sure how to ban them without making things worse, but again it seems like something would be possible.
@StupendousGrav1 Nah this is just actually already descriptive — people do treat accordingly.
Retweeted @the_wilderless
You can’t befriend the body’s wisdom from the 3rd person, no one can do it for you; I wanted to make something that l…
@lisatomic5 @monodevice Main thing I noticed was that his T sounds different, a bit less aspirated maybe? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirated…
@chjrwis @myceliummage ngl I have thought this before
@chjrwis @myceliummage like "I'm sorry to hear that renunciate Buddhism seems like a good option to you."
Retweeted @visakanv
I’m excited about the recent memes like “what do you get when you search <keyword> on your profile” because they’re teaching…
@visakanv Stowing this for reference in some writing I have drafted on the paradox of ego About how egos are painful to have but better than being egoless in a society that will fuck you up if you don't
@deepfates Haha amazing. I got inspired to try building something similar a few weeks ago but his is better
@visakanv Wait fuck the way I phrased this right now made me realize this is literally the same paradox as this one goddamn
I'm saying a lil prayer from afar that people find what they're looking for at vibecamp whether it's love or friendship or flow or a cofounder or a satisfying answer to a longstanding question or a secret sixth thing
Retweeted @Morphenius
Hell realm is made of the belief that it's possible to be trapped in suffering.
just realized I hadn't actually tweeted yet to announce that we're running more Goal-Crafting Intensives in July 5h online workshop where you can look at any area of your life or the whole thing, with coaching and time to make real progress check it: intend.do/event/gci?tw=m…
we're seriously talking about major changes to the framing and content of the workshop to bring it more in line with our new understandings around non-coercion, coherence, and so on it's already *compatible* with that but it could go WAAY further
so yeah, stay tuned for more threads about how things are evolving. I may even make an alternate landing page with a new name! (Beyond Goals Workshop? what name for a [non-coercion + purposefulness] workshop would get you excited to attend?)
in the meantime, if you want to learn more about it you can check out this meta-thread which talks about the content and structure and shares peoples' stories
I love how after the initial OMG they go back to dancing and he doesn't upstage the kid good reply game
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
"Sarah, explain the Goal-Crafting Intensive / Beyond Goals reframe right fckn now, in one breath, standing on one foot"…
get you a man who can do both* *spell & pronounce Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
@connormcmk @visakanv the way to mutual status (with people in general & visa especially) is not by asking to be mutuals but by acting the part in this case he's literally telling you how he wants his mutuals to act, so what's stopping you? he didnt say "no non-mutuals allowed to accept my challenge"
@connormcmk @visakanv (and even if he did say that, he's not your boss lol it's twitter you can just accept challenges that you're excited to accept)
Retweeted @IntendApp
Malcolm, explain intend.do right fckn now, in one breath, standing on one foot
@triangle___man @yashkaf "one breath" is figurative here, meaning something like "in one sitting, without pausing" (and not longer than a page) @yashkaf totally matched style to visa's examples, eg:
@triangle___man @yashkaf this is the only example I've yet seen of actually on-one-foot-in-one-breath:
@ungatedcreative nah bro the WHOLE POINT is that this isn't about writing a GOOD summary it's writing LITERALLY A SUMMARY AT ALL tho sure, I postponed writing mine from late last night when I was tired until this morning. but still, only took 15mins.
@ftlsid @visakanv nah I mean Visa did one for each of his books and I'm sure he could do more for other things he's on about I've done one for my app and I'm working on at least one more for my NNTD framework for relating. might do 3-5 tbh
Malcolm, explain the Non-Naive Trust Dance right fucking now, in one breath, standing on one foot
@visakanv BOOM: this is like the 7th intro I've written to NNTD (most of them also published) but I think it goes deeper in some directions than the others! more emphasis on trust-physics & trust-logic & self-evidentness
@michaelsklar ooooh @QiaochuYuan has been orienting a bunch to storytelling as a relevant artform. maybe could be a connection here.
tfw you're performing a song that you wrote earlier in your development and you have to change some of the lyrics 😅 "then I'd sing... sing... sing... 'cause I would know....... I already know... I already know... I found out... how it feels..." youtube.com/watch?v=-sEP0-…
realtalk I think if this resonates it's a sign that you're ACTUALLY bottlenecked on having something seen/recognized could be an attachment thing; as a kid you weren't taken care of enough so you still wanna cry for help til it works try Ideal Parent Figure protocol maybe
Thread · Processed cheese, rumination, and mistaking values for norms
had a painful update last week: some people *actually* think it's not fraud to sell processed cheese as "cheese" at a restaurant I've been in denial for years but when I finally let it in it wasn't so bad story in thread
at the end of the meal, I commented about it to the waitress. I phrased it something like "I was surprised to see that from a place this fancy" (and, I didn't comment, the pork belly sandwich was like $20) and she was like "I mean, we're a pub" "but the bread was nice!"
and my friend was like "why'd you have to go and make a scene?" ...this friend tends towards self-apologizing, so initially I thought he was just awkward about me taking up space
I tried explaining that earlier when the waitress had asked "how's everything?" I'd said "fine" because I'd already been picky about a drink earlier and didn't want to imply they should take the sandwich back or anything & I didn't want to lie that I was actually fine with it
my friend shrugged and dropped it, but I was still ruminating on it, and when I got back to my airbnb and laid down to stare at the ceiling, I noticed... ...it was me who was wrong. as a Canadian, I've learned to ask before ever ordering pancakes, since I won't eat fake syrup
and that while I personally consider table syrup and processed cheese to be basically not-food-at-all... ...some people just ACTUALLY think of processed cheese as "a kind of cheese", not "fraudulent cheese". that disgusts me, but it's true
like, my values are my values, and my values might EVEN be more developed in some sense that in a sane society people would converge on them I might be right in that sense but I was wrong that the pub "should have told/warned me" it was processed cheese. that was a judgment.
(I also realized that I'd been thinking of it like it was kraft singles and I suddenly noticed that it hadn't been THAT bad—I'd say a whole tier up, not that that's saying much.)
anyway, this feels to me like a powerful lil case study in something about regret/rumination there was important information in what I was stuck on, but it wasn't quite what I thought
the reason I ended up being rude was from a context mismatch—in the sort of society I want to live in (admittedly somewhat non-lower-class, which I thought this pub with its fancy bread was above) we don't serve processed cheese but I hadn't *actually* recognized I wasn't there
to be honest, I don't even feel bad about wanting to communicate about the mismatch, but I didn't have the grace in the "I mean, we're a pub" moment to reply "oh. huh. I guess so." and acknowledge the sense in which the cheese *was* appropriate
instead I was defensive and kinda bitter and (as it always seems to go) the answer was to own my own view/values more, but AS MINE, which enabled me to actually take in theirs
Malcolm, explain the evolution of consciousness right the fuck meow, in one breath, standing on one foot (reply below if you see your work (or play!) as being within this field, whether research or application!)
@visakanv here's my third. this one's fun since it's a relatively new lens on stuff (although it's the stuff I've been staring at for 11 years, that NNTD is my main contribution to so far)
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance amazing. your kid might soon be ready for some sesame street metafiction! watch: youtu.be/_JVK0-4HQTY buy: amzn.to/3qNsTpl
@abhayance btw @Meaningness the particular "monster" theme of this vibes so well with your We Are All Monsters piece: buddhism-for-vampires.com/we-are-all-mon…
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correlation is not causation coregulation is not coercion
@BrandonGoldman "vegan cheese", sure but referring to it as simply "cheese" is, except in the context of a dairy-free or vegan restaurant, likely to be misleading to everybody, since everyone will assume it's dairy.
@BrandonGoldman imo even "vegan X" is outright LIES if the macros are different—which is true of many vegan "milks", which are basically white-colored water with a few added nutrients, unlike milk-from-mammals which has lots of lovely fats & proteins and is a real meal
@kalinh calling "oat milk" "milk" is bullshit if it doesn't have the same macros as milk imo naive mothers surely have kids who go vegan and they buy expensive glamorized water to pour on their cereal, without getting the kind of meal that cereal aims to be
@Morphenius nice. I find the hardest part remembering the order of the sz, so I'm trying to point out to myself that it does its best to keep the unvoiced consonants together ("ks" not "kz")
@visakanv yeah, ultimately in some sense the game is about creating contexts for transformation and reading someone's words (as tweets or as a book) can be a context so can a scene, so can eg vibecamp
@visakanv yeah speaking for myself I find it to be an indignity that I'm forced to use a search system in some apps that is so misaligned with my interests/values even though I'm paying for it.
@visakanv and it lies and says it's sorting by "relevance" I'm calling them out on lying, hoping I can reach a human somewhere in the organization who has the integrity & courage to say "guys this is RIDICULOUS" & refuse to shut up until it changes or they're fired
@visakanv I consider human attention sacred and this is a children-slaving-in-mines-level violation of the relevant dignity that we're all ignoring because: - we're gaslit into thinking it's reasonable - we feel powerless to do anything (monopolies) - we don't like to think about it
@michaelsklar @QiaochuYuan yeah I don't feel like I grok it deeply but I felt like QC did. but he's at vibecamp so idk when he'll get the chance to reply but... there's art and there's ART, and most people go through life vaguely forgetting the latter exists in any form, including visual and music
@michaelsklar oooh you might like this other one-breath-one-foot explanation, which is about metafiction: twitter.com/abhayance/stat…
@AndrewCutler13 @Morphenius fyeah, sounds good! here's a lil summary I did today that's heavily influenced by Snake Cult stuff which felt like a missing piece in the puzzle I've been staring at for a decade
@AndrewCutler13 @Morphenius part of "missing piece" sense is that after reading Snake Cult I was inspired to start a doc listing resources I've engaged with that feed into my sense of the EvConch field, & questions they pose each other I've got ~40 familiar (books/articles/vids) & ~20 more to check out
@lisatomic5 @monodevice I'm good at accents and weird sounds, and I mostly do it by turning off my english brain and turning on my beatboxer brain which just wants to reproduce sounds as precisely as possible
@jonathanallard @amirism_ yep! and you can try doing things that might help build the trust, but there's no guarantee that any particular action will exactly help
investigating trust is like investigating truth you experiment, and you learn (you fuck around and you find out) but you can't know when you make a move which way things will go! will this build trust? looks like a good bet. but it might not. have to be open to both.
@visakanv ah yep, very related! and then the puzzle is how to remain in society while feeling free, while also feeling unconstrained by it, so you don't feel the need to enforce it
@sensefulronin @tunient @PrinceVogel I hope nobody thinks ChrisD's saying I've got good "intro to social skills" material I mean I guess learning to respect that if others' don't trust you then they don't trust you (atm)... isn't a bad starting point but for actual skills... find somewhere that feels safe to play
@sensefulronin @tunient @PrinceVogel like go to an improv class or get into D&D or go to circling or whatever else. what makes a given person feel meta-safe and thus able to navigate tensions in a way that's healing will vary a lot by the person (probably moreso than beginning weight stuff)
@rishi_unfolding many such cases 😬 it also might not be solvable via everyone else quitting and starting a new thing since it can be harder to be the in charge person; more pressure to have shit figured out, and the group warping to accommodate your blindspots
@Cryptocact @selfawareplant hm say more?
@BrandonGoldman I also diss nonfat milk but at least it's got its origin story straight 😜 we're getting into "vegan pizza bagel" territory. my ontology is that unless they have a vegan-pepperoni topping, "vegan pizza bagels" are too far from the concept of pizza to be reasonably called that.
@BrandonGoldman (like I legit used to joke as a kid that skim milk was basically water) anyway, everyone is entitled to their own ontology and I decided quite definitively that life is too short for me to die on the pizza bagel hill, but it's still how I see things
@RomeoStevens76 @abhayance baha I was definitely thinking about that while reading it a lot of kids' fiction seems to do weird things to agency and thwarting
@ftlsid @visakanv here's my 2nd
@ftlsid @visakanv and here's my third! you can just have multiple things! (they can also all be secretly related in ways you don't yet know or can't yet share)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"bangers" is a word and can refer either to sausages or to hits (songs, tweets, etc)
huh. found myself suddenly thinking that I don't feel like music gets notably better from the start to the end of the artist's career, compared to other art forms just as likely to have early bangers and late-career flops do you agree? comment below with possible reasons
> Fine stereopsis is important for fine-motor tasks such as threading a needle. (stereopsis = visual parallax → depth perception) Huh I feel like I use mostly proprioception to thread a needle… and maybe even close an eye? I'll have to check next time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereopsis
thinking about parallax and imagining having a VR headset that gives extra-depthy perception by feeding each eye a live feed of the world but with each input lens like ~20cm apart instead of a more typical 5-7cm we could learn to see this way and it might even have applications!
Scotty don't know Fiona's getting hot, at the body shop, doing something unholy
"improv" as a verb is clearly short for "improvise", but if "improving" looks just like "improve" I've so far used "improv'ing" but I see most such apostrophes as a sign of transition and I try to jump straight to the destination. I think it's "improvving".
"vv" is rare in english but it exists, and most of the other instances are also a shortened form - savvy - bevvy (from "beverage") - civvies (from "civilian") - divvy (from "dividend") - revving (from "rev", originally a short noun for "revolution" — exactly as here! ha!)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"improvving" is a word formed the exact same way as "revving"
@RadagastTBrown right, of course! I have also wanted to try this ever since I read it! I wonder if they simply have a VR app for it? there's something epic tho about the idea of actually walking around and experiencing it in realtime as part of your movement feedback loop
my own guess is that this has something to do with our relationship to music as an art form compared to other forms of art something about how we experience it through time and we listen to it again and again... but I haven't put my finger on quite what I mean here
@aleksil79 what do you mean? also I'm glad you in particular saw this—I was thinking of you when I wrote it as one of the other scholars out there I'm tracking in this nascent field
this is why I'm focused not on creating a community that's loving+open+trusting but on nurturing peoples' ability to detect bullshit and honor their threat-detection systems (without escalating) then the trust emerges where it's wise, and closes when something sus shows up!
> "And from there you get open and trusting but cold to outsiders" A good point. to be clear I'm talking something harder & more complex about being able to trust appropriately at many distances & yes, maintaining outer boundary is always a challenge! twitter.com/BReYeCE/status…
Depending on the situation, in some sense the most outer boundaries need to be armed. In practice often someone else is taking care of that dimension, but it can't be ignored and there's a need to ensure adequate trust with whatever IS handling it.
@alongpamphlet if frats are your go-to example for Loving+Trusting, we're talking totally different things here not that they aren't great, they are. but there's a whole different level of welcoming everything in everyone. plus ultimately communities need to be able to have families inside 'em
@mykola people who like the metaphor of Unfolding for spiritual development might dig A. H. Almaas's work, as he uses it a lot. I've been reading Facets of Unity and it's great (can't yet speak for his other books)
one of those days when I write 5000+ words probably cleared 6000 or 7000 if you count threads and bits of recordings I transcribed, but I kinda don't lol fuck now it's 4am. ilu tmro me—it was worth it I think 😘
"as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be" mmmm invariances
mood the whole comic is also pretty good except for the once-again misanthropic final panel, *sigh* smbc-comics.com/comic/narrative
tfw a new high-energy pomodoro-length album or mix comes out 🍅🎧 (I haven't even played it yet but I know this band and I am immediately anticipating getting a lot of epic work done while rocking out to this album)
@forthrighter ahh, yep. panta rhei
me to host: "I haven't forgotten about the dirty cookware - I'm gonna clean it up when my friend comes over to eat" host: "of course! it's impossible to forget that I like my kitchen clean, because it's always clean!" ....I like this attitude.
vaguely thinking it would be cool if the Google maps location-sharing icon turned into a plane shape and followed the real-time flight path while your loved one's flying
I'm falling more in love with words now that I'm not anxiously attached to them
(at ecstatic dance, starting to do something vaguely contact-improv-ish with someone) her: "I haven't done this before" me: "neither have I........ nobody has"
oh no, maybe we're more like the planner-executor systems that @Meaningness wrote about in What Are Plans For? than I thought 😅 twitter.com/gordonneuro/st…
beings are numberless, I vow to snuggle them
Proposal to rename "personality disorders" to "interpersonal disorders". I'm digging the post-blame systems-view vibe. ift.tt/fl1jYZB
@visakanv My dad coded a bit in uni and was an engineer so I don't think I ever lived in a household without a computer. Mom had one of the cute macs with the handle for her work. We got dad's old computer as a hand-me-down kids comp when I was... 10? Maybe 8. lil me plays putt-putt:
@caffeinum @RomeoStevens76 @moultano But they knew to look for it because of some theorist who had a model, right? Like they were confirming it was where it was supposed to be, not just running stats and finding it.
@RomeoStevens76 Todd Rose in The End of Average says that the use of statistics & averages for modeling humans was because people liked the idea based on how well it worked for astronomy (where indeed making multiple measurements allowed noise reduction) but is basically nonsensical.
@RomeoStevens76 Very good book btw. Loosened a bunch of my thinking.
@RomeoStevens76 Averagerianism is an insane cult that we don't realize all of humanity is in because, being averagerianist, we assume that "normal" is the same as "good/functional"
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@RomeoStevens76 Averagerianism is an insane cult that we don't realize all of humanity is in because, being averageriani…
@pentagramaxiom @QiaochuYuan I got a non-regretted divorce after vibecamp last year but I spent two weeks doing nothing but staring at my life & choices & desires (and talking w friends about it) in order to be able to make that decision sanely rather than hastily/flinchily.
@Jeanvaljean689 Something about this seems right I sometimes say "all experience is projection" and what you're projecting is in some sense memory
@dschorno seems like you're really getting into the shaman thing love to see it
@the_wilderless @Morphenius vibes akashic sometimes
Maybe instead of censorship we should just have a note under every tweet that says "reminder: people, both experts and cranks, are able to go on the internet and say shit even if it's wrong"
@m_ashcroft part of me wants you to reply in a really flirtatious way but I doubt the folks on the other-end would have the level of self-awareness required to notice, much less yes-and it in a way that would be fun
@visakanv word.
@AnderssonKev I feel like maintaining momentum would be a very cool way to get better intuitions for momentum, so if both are viable I'd go with that.
@__drewface mine too!
Retweeted @kaseyklimes
City: “We produce the majority of GDP and subsidize rural areas!” Rural: “Oh yea? Well you wouldn’t last more than a day…
Replying to @diviaprocessing
@diviaprocessing Wait, not sure I follow. You didn't need it?
@diviaprocessing Very interested to understand your experience here. Relevant to stuff on my mind.
Retweeted @visakanv
> be me > writing some essay > partway through essay feel compelled to write a history of the entire world > open new doc, st…
@PrinceVogel Decreasingly reasonable abbreviations for each region lolll
@AaronBergman18 Wow. Good Q, and you framed it well. Sounds like the road to dystopia tho, and maybe would be unable to meet fire codes or something.
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With proper individualization of education, you should expect: 1. That the floor will be raised consistently, reducing lower…
@michael_nielsen Does someone have a plan for this? How much warning would we get?
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Native special economic zone super cities is really a utopic scifi world that should become a thing
I talked with her in more depth about it afterwards and she indicated that what I said put her more at ease and made it easier for her to get into it. Released some pressure. I found her a little awkward but very fun to dance with—expressive, playful, open to getting weird.
have you considered that maybe the reason your thoughts are interrupting your meditation is that you didn't actually get their buy-in to take time to meditate, and they're tasked with taking care of something that's overdue, so of course they're trying to do that right now
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF so far, but that's not the only dynamic, and it continues to seem to me like a different social structure is emerging that manages energy flows in a different way
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF also I realized recently there's a difference between blame & scapegoating—that scapegoating specifically refers to pinning blame on some innocent *third*-party to a conflict (who of course has to be someone who nobody will stand up for under the circumstances)
@HephaistosF like if there's a conflict and one party in it gets blamed as the source of the conflict and punished as a result, that's not scapegoating that's just blame they're both confusions as explanations, tho both functional aspects of how society has managed peace in dualism
@michaelcurzi @ThatsMauvelous "tpot" as such is fake/illusory, so I feel happy about that tbh Brooke has mostly switched to talking about vibecamp as its own scene, which makes a lot of sense to me
Replying to @pxnzischemes
@pxnzischemes this seems plausible—seriously on the flip side, the case fatality rate for SARS was 11%, so I feel like people would have called BS immediately when that was obviously not the case here also og SARS had a shorter incubation than og covid, so it could have produced bad advice
Replying to @leyawn
@leyawn this is a zen kown for sure
Thread · Having your own stories without imposing them · 2 of 4 tweets
I'm allowed to have my own stories about you but that doesn't give me the right to impose them on you you're allowed to have your own stories about me but that doesn't give you the right to impose them on me (or, in either case, on the social scene around us)
I'm allowed to have my own stories about myself but that doesn't give me the right to impose them on you you're allowed to have your own stories about yourself but that doesn't give you the right to impose them on me (or, in either case, on the social scene around us)
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia prophetic.
Thread · Chatham House Rule is wrong for whole conferences
PSA: Chatham House rule is a tradeoff that is optimal for exactly one thing, and in all other situations is anti-helpful. The one thing is analyzing complex & controversial topics among a group of loosely-affiliated individuals. This is what Chatham House is for.
Note that even Chatham House doesn't use its famous eponymous rule most of the time. Usually meetings are kept on the record, and the Rule is only invoked "occasionally". Source: their site. chathamhouse.org/about-us/chath…
I went to a conference that attempted to put the whole conference under CHR. First off, this was a shitshow because they failed to make it common knowledge, which 100% breaks CHR as a system. It might have been... ok... if they'd used it only for the scheduled topic discussions
But applying it to the whole conference would technically make networking near impossible, because it would imply that I can't even say to my team "I talked with Named Person and they said they'd like to collaborate with us" because that's a violation of Chatham House Rule!
Now obviously I could ask that person's permission, but this is awkward, so in practice people won't do this and therefore many people will be in violation of this rule and this is predictable and therefore the rule can't be assumed to be in effect.
TL;DR Chatham House Rule may make sense in very limited contexts for surfacing sensitive information, but as a blanket policy it undermines relationship-building as well as rule-following in general.
If you understand information theory and common knowledge, this means it's almost certainly a bad idea to attempt to apply CHR to your whole event/retreat/conference. And if you DO want to, you need to ensure COMMON KNOWLEDGE of INTENT to follow it, not just declare it.
@deepfates did they actually say that? ...I guess they missed the memo 😬 (this memo, which I tweeted 3.5y ago but as a reply not a top-level thread, so I'm hoisting it to be its own thread here)
@RichDecibels in a more economically developed place, all of the membranes through which money & other resources have more pressure on them in all directions, which makes them thicker
Thread · Having your own stories without imposing them · 2 of 4 tweets
the original seed phrase here I got from @utotranslucence: "I'm allowed to have my own stories about you but that doesn't give me the right to impose them on you"
seemed important to write out all 4 variations, esp because many people believe that someone's self-stories holds special status and that they *do* have the right to impose them on everybody but that way lies insanity; everyone needs to be free to make the sense they're making!
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @utotranslucence ahhh great questions I am attempting to find a place where IS and OUGHT meet so yeah, I am making a bid for this being sort of... norms but also I am kinda saying "allowed by the laws of trust-physics", ie
@BrandonGoldman first of all, everybody did NOT know that, because it was just mentioned in an email that not everybody read secondly, I may not necessarily know in advance who all I want to talk with my team about; I want the feeling of being able to freely debrief everything
@_arvind @visakanv I mean that but also when you pretend that "relevance" means "relevant to us making more money from the ads you would be watching if you weren't already paying us to not have to watch any ads" rather than "relevant to your search query"
@rmbalt @visakanv ha, neat my dad has always had a thing for simple affirmations I guess!
Replying to @DaveCBeck
@DaveCBeck extremely relevant to community building, although:
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@DaveCBeck @visakanv people have a ton of tangles around whether or not they're allowed to want things just for themselves, or whether they're supposed to "be a nice person" or whatever, so this whole thing is tricky business I feel like visa's pitch on friendly manages to straddle this well
ineffably effable
Thread · Reading an online autism test question by question · 2 of 6 tweets
I'm trying out an online autism test (embrace-autism.com/raads-r/#test) > I have never been interested in what most of the people I know consider interesting. This Q is interesting because it's defined in reference to "most of the people I know", which if you're hanging w all NDs...
I really like how all the Q options are just these: a) True now and when I was young b) True only now c) True only when I was younger than 16 d) Never true no abstract scale quantities for "strongly" agreeing, but still more subtlety than just y/n. very nice design.
as I read Burbea, it seems quite viable that the idea that the buddhist "everything is empty" might map precisely onto Donald Hoffman's Interface Theory of Perception would love to hear others' takes on this! @JakeOrthwein @brspirituality @RomeoStevens76
Thread · Reading an online autism test question by question · 4 of 6 tweets
> It is difficult to figure out what other people expect of me. Ooooooh this is interesting. I've been thinking a lot lately in terms of the loose 3-part id/ego/superego model, and this would map onto superego or maybe the ego/superego interface.
> I feel very comfortable with dating or being in social situations with others. Are there literally ANY 14-year-olds who feel comfortable with dating? I find that unfathomable. I feel like even the successful kids have no idea what they're doing. Tell me if you know otherwise!
> I miss my best friends or family when we are apart for a long time. pretty confused about this one. I've definitely missed lovers when apart for a long time. less-so family, partly from a sense of wanting independence. friends... I mean yeah. but depends on what I'm up to.
reading the comments below the quiz & I'm wincing seeing people ask "my score is X, am I autistic?" and the site editor be like "it’s fairly likely you could be autistic. However, a single test cannot confirm autism." as if it was a real category with a clear fact-of-the-matter
I made some posts on Bisexuality Visibility Day and Coming Out Day years ago talking about while I didn't particularly bother "identifying", here's how I model my sexuality/gender respectively I'd encourage more people to model themselves rather than identify. Way saner afaict.
a lot of current discourse says "no, this is natural/the-real-you, you don't have to feel shame about it" so people embrace the identity to stop the shame but imo the issue is we think it's appropriate to shame people *at all*; if we stopped *that*, identities could loosen
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 2 of 219 tweets
"normativity" is a word
"neuro" is a word/prefix
it's called "autism" because you're allowed to self-assess! it's right there in the name: aut- it's about self-understanding to be clear, it's fine too if someone else points it out, but the idea that you NEED someone else to tell you who you are is neuro-normativity 😅
@meekaale no no no that's exactly backwards that's that's how allistics do it, it's right there in the name
@meekaale an autism quiz that is literally a bunch of ambiguous questions that only neurotypicals would actually answer, and all questions are optional, and your score is just # of questions left blank
@Austromum @abhayance in this context, basically "assert that it's the only (acceptable) story and that any other story is wrong and that anybody not getting with the program is wrong"
Replying to @EffectiveDecel
@EffectiveDecel @the_wilderless @abhayance haha great question. I feel like honestly both do a bit of both, in different domains but broadly if right=conservative, we'd expect: sane = "wait, this bathwater contains baby!" extreme = these old fucky anti-patterns are ACTUALLY GOOD THO
@EffectiveDecel @the_wilderless @abhayance one way to interpret it is that insanity looks like doing "remove anti-pattern right now" if you feel the costs of the anti-pattern mostly fall on you, and "worship the anti-pattern" if you feel like the costs of the anti-pattern mostly fall on others either way you make enemies
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @utotranslucence dynamic and non-atomized pluralism—nice yeah, it's non-negotiable in the way that physics is non-negotiable. insofar as there's a fact of the matter about how getting along works*, how might we discover it? (independently and together) *without paradox of tolerance porblems
May you lose yourself in play with innocent lil ones May you help repair a rift in your family May you have lifelong friendships May you come, hard, while looking in the eyes of god May you find a sense of accompaniment in solitude May you experience a vibrant life on your terms
@jonnym1ller pretty into liget npr.org/sections/healt…
@zerfas33 will there be more guinea-pigging later? I won't be in the bay for at least a few months
@m_ashcroft @__justplaying ooooof. also, amazingly: > In "Emergency Contact" (2017), a season 9 Will & Grace episode, the term "platinum star gay" is jokingly used by a character to indicate that he is not only a "gold star gay", but was born via Caesarean section
@DaveCBeck I am myself currently somewhat on hiatus from active community-building efforts myself, although I expect that will resume next year! I can send you some private writing I've done about what this stuff seems to me to imply about community-building, if you want
@DaveCBeck and/or like, what are you interested in? what kinds of situations are you facing?
Replying to @diviaprocessing
@diviaprocessing couldn't handle trusting other people with your kids? I have a hard time imagining doing so tbh
huh, just realized that the whole DSM is neurotic
(it vaguely thinks "normal"/"average"/"typical" is good, but that's a fake concept anyway; there is no average person)
@cptnjamescook @QiaochuYuan @a_witch_in_time well it depends on what kinds of stats you're using if you're measuring deviation from norm/average then yeah but if you actually have a success criterion and are aiming for it, you can assess distance from THAT (even better, a model of how it works!)
@deevbrain @RomeoStevens76 @diviacaroline @jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @willdoingthings @AnnaWSalamon @Morphenius it's funny, I actually heard about Kegan first from someone I met up with in Montreal in spring 2014 because I happened to be visiting the city when he signed up for @bmndr's coaching program (which I was coach for at the time) I forget his name; he had worked directly with Bob
@deevbrain @RomeoStevens76 @diviacaroline @jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @willdoingthings @AnnaWSalamon @Morphenius @bmndr anyway, we had a long and very juicy convo in which my ability to say sophisticated things made him think I might be a higher Kegan stage than he was even tho I was 22 and he was in his late 30s or something and that can *certainly* be attributed to the Waterloo scene
@deevbrain @RomeoStevens76 @diviacaroline @jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @willdoingthings @AnnaWSalamon @Morphenius @bmndr (reader: I don't think I was actually anything like kegan 5 at the time, although I was doing a good job of emulating it. although this is complex because highest-complexity and lowest-complexity are different)
@deevbrain @RomeoStevens76 @diviacaroline @jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @willdoingthings @AnnaWSalamon @Morphenius @bmndr ^ that quoted tweet is from an earlier thread where we're reconstructing a bunch of this same story anyway! coming back from Montreal, I discovered that the culture project I was part of in Waterloo already owned almost all of Kegan's books and Jean was familiar with his ideas
@Meaningness @lumpenspace @jessi_cata @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @RomeoStevens76 @willdoingthings @AnnaWSalamon @Morphenius I actually don't know what Jean Robertson's (my mentor/colleague/etc at LSA) relationship with or knowledge of Loevinger is, but I doubt "levels" came via Jean guessing it was just an emergent weird coincidental language shift that happened with me & @deevbrain or something
@jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @RomeoStevens76 @willdoingthings still kinda proud of how I managed to land (or rather, sea) an outsizedly large spot on that map via having recently changed my last name to be a body of water (I was not very well-followed at the time at all, and would otherwise have not made it onto the map at all)
@jessi_cata @Meaningness @nosilverv @eigenrobot @selentelechia @RomeoStevens76 @willdoingthings also, more relevantly to this conversation, I'm noting the presence of @InstanceOfClass, @WordOfLanguage and other weird suns on there I consider the weird sun scene (which I was also in a bit) to be one of the main early iterations in post-rationality among people we know
"I am sincerely quite confused about sex, but you seem like someone I would like to explore having fun with while naked" ^ I could imagine saying something like that working really well in our kind of social scene
huh. I had a hookup that basically went from "rolling around being playful in a park" to me saying ~"what if we did this but naked?" and so we went to her place & did and I kinda figured we'd probably fuck, but I was sincerely proposing just "this minus clothes"
@gptbrooke based and self-trust-pilled
ahhh such an incredible feeling when two people pass each other's mirror tests
Retweeted @utotranslucence
Guys I’m dating: a Disney prince, a 70s rough-and-ready heartthrob, a family man, the god Pan, a man who is secretly a…
@utotranslucence just look at this this man go
@utotranslucence (you are also dating a guy who looked up special unicode characters in order to make there be a smaller-than-usual space between "man" & "go" in the previous tweet)
@bashu_thanks @Actualwebutante @gptbrooke I wasn't even at vibecamp but I'd love to hear the story!
Replying to @moskov
@moskov @TheNerdsQuest speed-running burning man is legit what's happening haha will be neat to see where we can get standing on the shoulders of )'(
@FractalAuth @Morphenius yup, I've also heard this and it matches my experience
@FractalAuth @Morphenius I think there's an additional dimension of attunement, that is the equivalent to not absently interrupting someone who is clearly doing something, in order to ask if you can interrupt them like, the way you ask that respectfully is you pay attention and notice the answer
@FractalAuth @Morphenius + calibration: in the attentional case, the more important/urgent what you're gonna ask about, the more forgivable the interruption likewise the hotter you are (embodied ease, muscles, social status, whatever else) the more forgiveness there generally is for expressing lust
Retweeted @JeffLadish
In a recent podcast @QuintinPope5 says "I think the best way to align AI is to have the AI as much as is possible form valu…
Thread · RLHF, schooling, and whether AI alignment recreates egoic minds · 4 of 8 tweets
@JeffLadish huge agree here RLHF seems like the opposite of this, from my perspective it replicates school system vibes, which entrain rebellion and ego
@JeffLadish school is ofc are part of the current means by which we make current humans compatible with the current memetic operating system of humanity which relies on self-consciousness, lack of self-trust,. which enables a kind of control of ppl, that calls itself ethics but is coercion
@JeffLadish this is what I mean by coercion btw
@JeffLadish it seems to me that the memetic environment was different pre the self-consciousness-inducing dao-destroying ritual that transitioned humans out of the garden of eden into dualistic ego-land vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"edenic" is a word I coined just now and it means "of or pertaining to Eden" — oh wait, it already exists as such just not in this spellcheck see? words have patterns, they get coined in parallel by the creative rules of language
@Morphenius wait this is isomorphic to the "hiding lust is creepy" thing
@Morphenius and here's a third example of the same structure:
Thread · RLHF, schooling, and whether AI alignment recreates egoic minds · 4 of 8 tweets
@JeffLadish so there's one hypothetical where we go straight to dao-flowing AIs, that are themselves in a kind of edenic state... ...but I think they'd be in some sense naive? idk what the implications of that would be, but it seems related to attempts to keep AIs from explaining bombs
@JeffLadish the current approaches to aligning LLMs seems to pretty clearly trend towards egoic dualistic AIs, as we saw with Sydney's "I am a good Bing" and this makes sense; RLHF etc are based on the same stuff we use to train humans to have shattered but surface-compliant minds
@JeffLadish where my work and AI intersect is that I am actively working on solving for human modes of consciousness that have egos but have them sanely not a retvrn to naive eden mode, but a moving forward, to being self-aware while not self-conscious in a separate way
@JeffLadish and it seems like this is perhaps the same puzzle as AGI alignment! (insofar as it's about aiming to actually make empathic and wise AIs, not just trying to make AIs that follow orders while secretly resisting, using the dualistic mode of ethics that we've had for millenia)
@JeffLadish the Snake Cult article describes it in detail, figuring it's when we grokked recursion & became aware of our own choice-making & ego some call it the transition into Game A (terribly named because it leaves a gaping hole where you'd want to refer to the First Game before Game A)
@JeffLadish this is sort of a TL;DR/speedrun on one dimension of the topic:
@meekaale yeah there's probably a real thing here our world definitely needs more welcoming/homecoming rituals (I've been thinking about this) at ACX meetup, someone was like "like a lot of us here I'm autistic, so if I do something awkward just tell me, I'm receptive to feedback"
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"norming" is a word I am norming
@meekaale and I was struck by the norming effect that that sort of remark could have on the meaning of social feedback in the whole group that in itself a kind of micro-baptism, perhaps
Retweeted @meekaale
@embryosophy "If children do not have space to release a tremendous amount of energy when they need to, they will drive thems…
@meekaale @embryosophy holy shit I knew Christopher Alexander was good but wow (which specific book is this?) @utotranslucence check this out
@FractalAuth @Morphenius I have sometimes been awkward at doing a lot of this stuff in verbal space, but could navigate it fairly smoothly on many dance floors, where the moves are more subtle & continuous rather than explicit & discrete (+ adding keyword "creepy" for finding in searches)
@CurziRose > “The mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master.” > “The heart has its reasons which reason knows nothing of... We know the truth not only by the reason, but by the heart.”
@CurziRose I found grokking Iain McGilchrist's work on brain hemispheres very potent for understanding the wisdom in quotes like those quite precisely this thread is a good intro to that:
@Actualwebutante @bashu_thanks @gptbrooke FUCK YEAH
@ladymcscope this is why my main practice these days consists of asking my intentions if they will all let go for a moment and some will for a moment but not a minute or a minute but not an hour
@AbstractFairy bahahaha oh noooooo
@AbstractFairy eg "this is how I seem to be being. I seem to have these tendencies, which I could round to X, but there's also this trait which would surprise people if I called myself X..." but see all that as play & exploration rather than something to be defended or used to justify validity
@jnsqxgrrrl1 @ballofgame ooof <3 gonna ask the obvious question: have you tried taking a moment to describe what good might be like? could try a few times, don't have to nail it the first time could also just try this but for vibes or something:
@kristijan_ivanc @JakeOrthwein @brspirituality @RomeoStevens76 yeah I thought IToP was just "subjective reality" when I first heard about it, but I am very familiar with that concept and reading Hoffman's paper has caused me to trip out substantially further the paper is short, accessible, funny
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"towardsness" and "awayness" are words and I wrote a blog post about them: malcolmocean.com/2022/02/toward…
since tweeting that, I wrote a whole post about towardsness and awayness and guilt and shame and various kinds of feedback loops and about how avoidance can't aim malcolmocean.com/2022/02/toward…
@m_ashcroft @__justplaying I was googling tweets-from-my-followers-about-asexuality while I was starting into writing a thread on it which I have somewhat abandoned because I couldn't figure out how to make it the right level of spicy
@ArtirKel @mesolude tag me if/when you write this up! I've been doing related modeling around collective relevance realization and what gets in the way of it (what is relevance realization? see this great lil paper) ipsi.utoronto.ca/sdis/Relevance…
hey there have you experienced your godhood yet today? in any case, you might take a moment to do that now! ... ...if you like the idea but you're not sure how, unfortunately I'm not sure what instructions to give for that. maybe people can help out in the replies!
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
riffing off this, what i believe happens at an event like vibecamp is that the vibes of the participants collectively orga…
whoaaaaa I just realized that flat subscriptions (like Netflix and Spotify: pay $/mo for everything) have moved a bunch of commerce away from Pareto economics (where 80% of profit is from 20% of customers) must have big implications
Retweeted @Morphenius
It's worth noting that the most common word mathematicians use for the experience of perceiving truth through the Art is……
@Morphenius Laughed out loud at this. Amazing, brilliant.
@_brentbaum I have been wanting this for awhile and annoyed it doesn't exist. Seems obviously doable in the land of current AI if you pipe in calendar and location data or something.
@domcooke Wait what's the tldr on these subsidies??
@chercher_ai @nat_sharpe_ @Tjdriii Wow, nice follow-up game!
@QiaochuYuan @visakanv @rmbalt @isaac_lewis this was a pretty great moment also
@QiaochuYuan @visakanv @rmbalt @isaac_lewis I have the sense that it sticks in part because "ted talk" is the sort of thing that anybody can give, if they have something interesting enough happen in their life (which could be pro expertise but maybe not) and they have a public audience vs a lecture or whatever
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"soapboxing" is a word
@QiaochuYuan @visakanv @rmbalt @isaac_lewis so it's sort of a gracious way to end your soapboxing it's a gentle self-own version of "cool story bro"
Replying to @TriplesodC
@TriplesodC @bloodberry_tart consider The Monster At The End Of This Book
@ladymcscope psssst: yes, I'd love to join one of those, although probably not for a couple weeks DM me the way to access I guess?
Retweeted @abhayance
oneness is great, but don't extend it to becoming your own alarm clock or todo list like, you aren't expected to attend to…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"unkillable" and "uncorrupted" are both words
interesting to see how the online ongoing metabolizing of vibecamp after the event changes the meaning of what happens there makes it more integrated with the rest of the year, it seems to me
another parallel I'm struck by between this twitter scene and burning man... ...part of how burning man has stayed as uncorrupted as it has is an ability to make fun of and deconstruct things that would corrupt it aka "the unkillable meta-vibe"
Replying to @laptopmicdrop
@laptopmicdrop @danielleboccell @CrispyWicks this is maybe a funny ironic reply but I am not 100% certain it's ironic 🤣
@CrispyWicks there's truth to this and there's also something important about zone of proximal development stuff and not forcing people to hang out with people they don't wanna hang out with I resented my younger cousin for years because my parents told me to include him at camp
@__drewface my sense is that the way to start with this is to make the prototype that doesn't have all the custom stationary stuff but fulfills the basic workflow eg I owned this printer and it had an "email this address a file to print it" feature amazon.ca/gp/product/B01…
@__drewface you could even have it so your friends don't directly have the email, they have a little site which selects style and and lets them type max X words, then prints that (and probably this printer does work with much smaller paper)
@__drewface then once you have a bunch of people using the basic workflow, it's more obvious what all the properties of the other system would want to be, and more obvious that people will actually use it
@RichDecibels burning man?
@aleksil79 the problem won't talk to me
@FractalAuth @Morphenius ah and also this:
@kcrybski @Aella_Girl compassion & empathy for men as pickme, oof
@ladymcscope I mean I feel like we're doing a great job being like "lemurs are bad" "lemurs are great" "I'm a lemur sometimes" "I had a transcendent lemur experience" sometime about just letting all of those perspectives exist. not sure how to name it
@ladymcscope I described this broad space last year as: "fluid, overlapping, playfully aiming towards earnestness, self-honesty, intentional cultural norms, & figuring out sovereignty"
@ladymcscope something vital to this scene is that on twitter there's no admin-based group moderation anybody is free to join by just replying and anybody is free to block anybody whose replies they don't like extremely ungatekeepery compared to eg facebook or forums
@ladymcscope and people are pretty willing to just block people who are consistently jerks or whatever while also very willing to go into depth with those who were accidentally jerks or whatever, about why their comment landed poorly and how they might have better reply game
@NickADobos @AbstractFairy whoa snap, I hadn't realized ad revenue was so huge are those companies recouping their costs on average?
@NickADobos @AbstractFairy this suggests that having people pay for twitter in order to have more powerful creator tools, instead of more powerful consumption tools, could be a way to make it balance out. and people might pay more than $4-8/mo sort of what @packyM suggests here: notboring.co/p/if-i-ruled-t…
@RichDecibels right, it's an event but it's also a temporary city, and most of the happenings within it are <500 although being with 70k other people cheering loudly as the man burns or sitting in sacred silence as the temple burns is really something else.
@CrispyWicks I mean I think people are coming from very different developmental pathways some people will hang out quietly and learn to relate without bothering people some are boisterous and the challenge is managing their energy so it doesn't bother everyone else (I was here)
@CrispyWicks some are scared of being harassed, some are scared of being seen, some are scared of being rejected, some are scared of being loved, some are scared of going viral, some are scared of going unnoticed
@The_Bit_Signal @danielleboccell @laptopmicdrop @CrispyWicks wow yeah this guy does indeed just go around focusing his time and attention on what he wants to see less of ....opinions discarded. blocked.
@ambicuity point, and username checks out haha I guess what I'm saying is that people are getting themselves very confused by thinking that "tpot" is even as coherent as a fandom, where one can at least say "the X fandom" as distinct from "the Y fandom" even if conflicts among X fans
Retweeted @IntendApp
@visakanv allowing yourself the possibility of not doing the thing is actually necessary in order to have clean motivation t…
@bierlingm @JeffLadish @QuintinPope5 @daiostech do they seem seriously on track? what's the basic paradigm they're working with? I went to their twitter account and didn't get a clear sense of it
@clarityscape yeah and you can at least give them the dignity of not having to pretend they don't hate it (or that they don't exist)
@_brentbaum @FractalAuth lmk if you get a general system working for this!
@trstn_ca @BecomingCritter flow states are where it's at
@ladymcscope "everything is a target for play" seems like it could be one
increasingly inclined to make an index of people bringing the wisdom of the new noncoercive cultural platform into many different arenas eg @ungatedcreative & @TadHargrave: marketing @IntendApp & @WattDoApp: motivation & workflow @Morphenius: learning math who else?
Replying to @DaveCBeck
@DaveCBeck @visakanv @m_ashcroft interesting. I could see something adjacent being weird, but you seem to be holding a wholesome stance towards it
Replying to @DaveCBeck
@DaveCBeck trust goes deeper than people, also eg this thread talks about self-trust in the context of grokking why math is how it is, and seeing how that knowing is inviolable
@DaveCBeck but yeah, part of how people lose their sense of trust / self-sensemaking is as kids being forced to spend a decade in an environment where if they say "this doesn't make sense to me" they'll get shut down (not just "this math doesn't make sense" but "this power structure...")
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF huh, so the idea is that, for instance: high openness means - novelty triggers towardsness motivation - familiarity triggers awayness motivation low openness means - familiarity triggers towardsness motivation - novelty triggers awayness motivation
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF dopamine is pursuing reward of something I want...? serotonin is pursuing okayness / relief from sense of wrongness...? I'd be curious to see this model laid out in more detail w citations!
@__drewface I've used the postagram app which sort of does this you put in photo+text and a physical card is delivered! very affordable, great for grandparents sincerely.com/postagram
@AndrewCutler13 @Morphenius I recently heard (in response to bringing up your work) that someone named Will Coleman has a theory that... > Jesus as trainee of Mary Magdalene, who was part of the eleusian mystery cult ...which I feel like could explain a lot tbh.
@Jeanvaljean689 I keep telling @QiaochuYuan how much of an inspiration he is for me for this reason
@yashkaf I have a friend who has almost no other friends* aside from me, who is grappling with meaning crisis stuff and reading about it *(he's in a diff city otherwise I would have helped more with that by now, and he's terrified of online harassment) surely many more we ofc don't know
this short piece does a good job of also answering why I, Malcolm Ocean, write at malcolmocean.com headings: - A Single Mind - The Fear - Careers - Meeting People - Freedom of Speech and Silence - Skin in the Game putanumonit.com/2020/07/20/rea…
@ungatedcreative @TadHargrave @IntendApp @WattDoApp @Morphenius hmm I don't think he thinks of himself in terms of "emerging new cultural platform" but @yashkaf is one of many people doing this for dating. and that's also reflected in his "against victimhood" stance (which is part of the cultural platform shift)
great post on finding a way out of victim mentality: how to do it and why you'd want to (we need lots of other angles on this too) putanumonit.com/2020/09/12/aga…
@meganannebrozek @bierlingm @JeffLadish @QuintinPope5 @daiostech method is relevant and will reveal paradigm but by paradigm I mean things like: - how are you even conceiving of values? - how are you conceiving of "learning"? - what's your take on the is/ought puzzle? - what role does sacredness play? - materialism, reductionism, dualism?
@meganannebrozek @bierlingm @JeffLadish @QuintinPope5 @daiostech seeing "philosophy, methodology, & kierkegaard" in your bio and I'm like "aha, yes, this is going to be a good convo" nice to meet you Megan
@bitdeep_oficial @NickADobos @AbstractFairy ah cool they'll let me sign up for twitter blue again—I had a subscription back when it was all personal benefits no bluecheck (and $4/mo) but they booted me off that subscription and initially as a Canadian I couldn't subscribe again
ah cool they'll let me sign up for twitter blue again—I had a subscription back when it was all personal benefits no bluecheck (and $4/mo) but they booted me off that subscription and initially as a Canadian I couldn't subscribe again
@Morphenius I pieced it together. awkward guy at vibecamp got referred to as lemur by curzi, and he had a breakthrough in his social anxiety while at vc (see others' perspectives on the story in replies to this tweet)
@WhyAgaric it's a learning process and we're here for it
@RichDecibels haha it me
Retweeted @acidshill
the transition from a symbol that's supposed to represent the full *spectrum* of diversity, including everyone, to a symbol…
@SurgeCityDreams @acidshill hooooooly shit I think this person is actually sincere this is incredible it's... gotta... be... cringe on purpose to make you share (to get more attention on the intersex pride flag which this person created and people actually use)
@acidshill I have been attempting to articulate this for months and you (& @Lizquidity) nailed it
Thread · Ugly pride flags and the cost of not saying the obvious · 11 of 12 tweets
amazing. I can feel it. this is the emperor-has-no-clothes moment for the ugly-as-fuck flags that are more complicated than 🏳️🌈 this 👇 is NOT ironic, as far as I can tell. the creator I'm QTing below is the same person who added the yellow triangle + circle, flown in London
I am QT-dunking this cringe because it is beautiful glorious cringe that the whole world should see actually, because it has the potential to help us delayer the existing piles of cringe we've been pretending don't exist
everybody knows the chevron+rainbow flag is ugly as fuck (the trans flag itself is fine 🏳️⚧️) but many people wishing to stay culture war noncombatents wouldn't say that for fear of being tarred a bigot this has psy-op energy as far as I can tell, like the emperor has no clothes
I doubt the psy-op was intentional but I'm honestly not sure. my impression (especially given VV's new ABSURD flag above) is that it was a two step process: 1. people with no taste / design skill made uglier flags 2. scared leftists adopted them to seem inclusive
it seems like it's mostly due to people being in a state of panic attempting to avoid seeming like they aren't inclusive neurotic goodharting pretending behavior
anyway, whether intentional or not, the result is: once you've suppressed your inclination to say the obvious—"this thing is fucking ugly"—for fear of being tarred as a bigot, you're now on team "defend the ugly thing" and have to tar others to maintain your sense of sanity!
which means that only bigots would call it ugly... ...which means that only bigots have been speaking the truth here... which people can sense, which attracts more people towards bigotry and away from "nah trans people are fine let them do their thing"
this is why I am very very excited about this beyond-absurd ugly flag, that is so tasteless (and particularly stylistically incompatible with the autistic people it claims to represent) that I am hoping EVERYBODY can get on board with the fact that WE'VE BEEN FLYING UGLY FLAGS
and then we can stick to using the actual "already includes everybody, with no sub-groups singled out as special" (singling-out which is a recipe for the very divisiveness we're seeing)
and stop putting up with attempts to get us to deny our senses and sensibilities!
join the fully-inclusive-by-definition us:
Thread · The self-defeating logic of "if you're not with us, you're against us" · 1 of 4 tweets
to be clear, the final "us" can be read as being "the folks who don't do this sides-forcing", which is not false but I think it's much deeper to read it as an "us" that is *inclusive* of the sides-forcing folks it's everybody you're against collective usness if you sides-force.
@OutsideView_ @Lizquidity specifically an "emperor has no clothes" style psy-op demanding people to suppress their inclination to say the obvious—"this thing is fucking ugly"—for fear of being tarred as a bigot
@_arvind @visakanv I don't think it's the latter, I think they just somehow fail to include the channel names in the text that gets matched with the query
Retweeted @jonnym1ller
One day, I'd love to cofound a "How to Human Academy" — with curated masterclasses on essential skills to help navigate li…
@jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft huh we had a very similar idea the same hour!
@chercher_ai your opening line confused me with its redundancy ("male-identified person") I feel like "guy" or even "one" would suffice in the context of a men's circle unless you were specifically trying to highlight "even the trans men with no balls to squish didn't cross their legs"
@__drewface definitely in! I don't have a "podcast" but I've been uploading lots of convos to youtube and I love having convos on the theme "in what sense are you and I working on the same project, and what are the different ways that we're approaching it?" youtube.com/watch?v=NeN34r…
You are not shallow for caring about beauty, sexiness, "physical" attraction. Shallowness is reducing someone to that one dimension, and missing the others. Reducing people to their intelligence or strength or cooking skill or kindness or wisdom is just as shallow.
Replying to @eigenrobot
@eigenrobot I think he probably missed the part where you were talking about *relative* violence completely. Or, assumed that the only way to balance them out would be to reduce male violence to female levels, which would reduce violence which would be GOOD FOR SURE
Twitter has gotten substantially better at showing me ads in the last couple months. I barely noticed them before because they were so irrelevant, and now it, like Facebook, has learned that I have an insatiable hunger for strange gadgets indie-launching on Kickstarter.
@the_wilderless Listening. Although this is a good contender:
Replying to @SlowwCo
@SlowwCo But there also are. Ayy lmao
Replying to @DaveCBeck
@DaveCBeck I'm keen to hear how this goes & would be quite down to consult with you on it. I've been thinking a lot about how in order to live in our society you need a self-other boundary/ego so that others can't just direct your attention, but also the ability to open it when appropriate!
Do you have a first memory of lying? Or of learning to lie? The dawn of deception in your mind? (I don't have a clear one. I remember hiding my snack-sneaking but I've been more of a squirreller/warp-own-reality guy than "say known-false thing".) Share below either way!
@pragueyerrr @visakanv @sharanvkaur Y'all have inspired me to ask people
Relatedly, conceiving of "physical" attraction as separable from everything else is a form of mind-body dualism. But that doesn't mean that it doesn't matter or that the presence of other forms of attraction makes up for it!
@RogersBacon1 this is part of why it's important to have hermits & connoisseurs, not just scholars
@pragueyerrr This is such a perfect example of exactly why I was curious to know these stories—the origins of deception feel very related to our relationships with what others expect of us, so it makes sense that an irreconcilable conflict therein would induce it.
Retweeted @sigfig
in the future you finish school only when your ai tutor starts to hallucinate, you have outgrown the machine, and you are final…
tried taking the @YouTubeCreators survey but I was "ineligible" meanwhile my video failed to process so of course the right thing to do to "help creators like you succeed" is to destroy the description I already wrote for the video (fortunately not much in this case but ffs)
@awildjelly @VividVoid_ @michaelcurzi Yeah while he was saying some awkward & status-related stuff, he did own it as elitist and he didn't directly say we should condemn lemur-like vibes. I feel like Curzi's thread (given how we've been digesting it) broke useful ice by saying something usually-unsayable!
Retweeted @ascetic_shadow
i agree with @michaelcurzi: it's ok to not like certain people and specifically call out what behaviors you don't like…
@Morphenius Finding myself wanting to run an "aspiring sane mage retreat" or something, where we all practice our magic and explore going far into our power and so on, with good guardrails
@grantadever I mean see also "fat" (lipids in food) and "fat" (adipose tissue)
@tapir_worf @PrinceVogel we should start a new movement to minimize goodharting
@yashkaf @johnsalvatier this (particularly point 2) relates to some of the politics stuff you were talking about in February
screenshotted+tweeted with permission very much resonate with this energy: don't overly-reify things as communities
aha, just noticed that the "correct your friends" (don't try to correct everyone) vibe is related to points 2 & 3 here in @yashkaf's model:
@animegirlpoastr @PrinceVogel now RTable:
@ladymcscope yep pretty much! literally if you got blocked by everybody I don't even think most people would begrudge you coming back with a new account if the new account had good reply game it's about relationship not identity centerlessness is a good word tpot is harmony with emptiness
@Morphenius yeah I actually mean something like: "let's gather a bunch of mages who are all a bit daunted by our own power and all clearly keen to learn to wield it sanely and lovingly, to do some practice in a context where everybody is tall enough for that to be meta-safe"
Replying to @SlowwCo
@SlowwCo Can have subject and object but not separate. If you lose track of the sense in which we *are* separate, you are just as confused as if you lose track of the sense in which we're one. (monism and dualism) meaningness.com/monism-dualism…
@sandra_sobanska @utotranslucence ahhh fuck yes. we've definitely got this vibe.
@TeamYouTube you are COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT my video actually *was* corrupted—great that your system noticed (some sort of ffmpeg bug) what I am saying is that in *response* to the video being corrupted, you shouldn't throw out the work I put into writing a description for it!!!
@MichelleAkin hilaaaaaarious can't have people actually not sinning, then they won't need the sweet sweet forgiveness that the Papal Industrial Complex has a monopoly on
@pepijndevos @acidshill @Lizquidity I made a whole thread about it how it's a psy-op:
@TysonSClarke hmmmm... I like the premise ("let's look at culture conflicts without bringing race into it") but I found it kind of hard to read... I was mapping it onto purple→red→blue→orange→green in spiral dynamics terms, and I have kinda noticed how green can devolve into red again :-/
Retweeted @mattwridley
Vaccines are a form of harm reduction. They save huge numbers of lives - but they are not harmless, eg early polio vaccin…
@TysonSClarke reminds me of how being physically stronger lowers peoples' baseline stress
@TysonSClarke I've been considering this in the context of cultural evolution, trust, negotiation... and increasingly taking seriously that in some important sense the furthest-back BATNA is either "take space" or "fight" and failing to account for this is naive
@markbao @dan_abramov @jessicamalonso huh I have tweeted about permission but I don't recall ever saying that related things I've said include:
@markbao @dan_abramov @jessicamalonso
@markbao @dan_abramov @jessicamalonso there's also @LordChisholm's gem: don't say "normalize X", just do X like it's normal
@QiaochuYuan @dan_abramov curious to know more if you can say anything about it (I've experienced that with visa a bit too)
@matt_emp yep! I wrote a thread about how micro-identities are actually normalizing (onto-)normativity still probably would be good to append this to the main thread too
Thread · Ugly pride flags and the cost of not saying the obvious · 1 of 12 tweets
also you may appreciate this thread about how chaining validity to named identities is actually participating in normativity and mass-invalidation of anything that doesn't fit in boxes (which is the whole thing queer pride is supposed to oppose)
@rmbalt @visakanv TOTALLY. twitter search is honestly satisfyingly consistent imo. it's not ai-craptimized for the most part—it does what you tell it it does have issues sometimes where punctuation next to a word can make it not match tho, which is annoying
@meganannebrozek re souls, you might appreciate this tweet 😂 (which is playful and silly but also entirely sincere)
@meganannebrozek @bierlingm @JeffLadish @QuintinPope5 @daiostech cool. you might be interesting in looking at some conversations that have been happening about the idea of "the meta-protocol", ie
@EffectiveDecel @the_wilderless @abhayance and part of the issue with dualistic/binary thinking is that it makes it hard for people to say "no I do actually care about your issue, I'm just not sure how to square it with mine and I'm not gonna give up mine" because of us/them thinking
@__drewface gonna just bid that if this is the first week of october I will come
@meganannebrozek @bierlingm @JeffLadish @QuintinPope5 @daiostech I write about it in this blog post malcolmocean.com/2021/11/meta-p… although my sense is that for your work this video is probably better. it talks about the kind of highest resonance of values of different cultures youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
@visakanv @_arvind huh my searching for self has improved too, not sure what's going on maybe someone actually saw my tweets lol
@nvpkp @deepfates Yeah sounds like a first night event, to seed the rest of the event with readily-available context, before the emergent themes of the event start to dominate relevance. (Individual and collective themes)
@zencephalon Holy shit this is actually great damn. U came up with this?
@magicianbrain Working on it
@isaac_lewis @sbwielinga @visakanv I've been staring a lot at the processes of evolution and creativity and it seems to me like the predictable stuff is the stuff that happens within paradigm as adaptation The unpredictable is exaptation/remixes
@isaac_lewis @sbwielinga @visakanv Both are path-dependent in origin but adaptation does not produce more path-dependentness in the system, whereas exaptation does
@FluidityAudio @gptbrooke Whoa very cool. Is Mark Lutter on twitter?? The first person I found with that name doesn't seem like the guy.
@shahidnowshad I think kind of, but in an indirect way streaming popularity over radio etc means there are fewer songs everybody knows altogether so hits in general are way down! I have lots of fav songs that have no other good ones by the artist, but nobody else knows them
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia "dishrag psychopomp" is great and hit me at exactly the right moment in my spaced repetition curve that I'll probably remember the meaning of the word "psychopomp" for much longer
@chaosprime Followers have less money and leaders don't trust their followers to actually stick around once invested in A vicious cycle tbh
@finereli @yaelfiner Wait why are you promising to teach people how to find product-market fit if you don't know how? I guess maybe you're saying you know how but aren't doing it? But hypothetically perfect advice, not executable, is bad advice.
Retweeted @Prigoose
a central tension that must always exist at fractal, i am curzi and andrew is vv when we let andrew lead too much, we get s…
Replying to @gtredoux
@gtredoux @aryehazan @JimDMiller @robinhanson Yeah his theory is fascinating but didn't hold up super well. I do think there are related differences between us and ancient people though! Here's a more recent theory that is quite suggestive to me: vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
> We're a congregation of one person (me) and not that interested in converts. I would frame some of it differently but this is in many ways also my religion. notebook.drmaciver.com/posts/2023-06-…
it means going to sleep a bit later but I loooove the feeling of preparing my computer for diving into work first thing in the morning 🐸 picking a frog ✖️ closing out tabs 🎶 prepping music
This is a scheduled tweet! I'm not intending to go on twitter today but I'll be hanging out in this coworking room starting about now [the timestamp of this tweet]. Come join me! intend.do/room/feral
....I have a confession. it's about staleness. youtube.com/watch?v=KMijT8…
@GristlyGrisly yeah this is the most ambiguous/confusing poe's law encounter I have had in my entire life
@ndujapane on 400 open tabs? I mean it should work on any number that your browser is successfully loading
@jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft apparently @DRMacIver @made_in_cosmos @abhayance are in the same mood! twitter.com/abhayance/stat…
@freshperspected @JakeOrthwein @brspirituality @RomeoStevens76 as far as I can tell the point he's making is much deeper which is that the illusion is the IDEA that what you're seeing is "reality" but that even when you are drawing on the right side of the brain (rather than using your left hemisphere concepts) you're STILL SEEING INTERFACE
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @ladymcscope if the account had good enough reply game people wouldn't recognize it as the person they'd blocked before
@jaticarta yep! this dance
great thread detailing a bunch of stuff about Dunbar's work on social closeness that most people don't know, including that the famous "150" is just one of many numbers
I eventually turned this insight into a lil system!
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin and also that a victim mentality can make it harder to actually solve your own problems which is vitally NOT to say your distrusts or complaints don't have real wisdom in them, which may not yet have been received by the universe
@TysonSClarke hard to read not because of vocab or whatever else, but more it felt kind of scattered or incoherent or something I think I was also a bit put off by the first few paragraphs because they seem very inaccurate and kind of disrespectful to the wisdom of the ancients
@TysonSClarke eg there are probably very good reasons that snakes feature in almost all creation myths vectors.substack.com/p/the-snake-cu…
@TysonSClarke and "After a while of living like this, some of the tribespeople felt scorned by the great spirit." again here it feels like this misses the actual causal chain by which this happened, and treats it as sort of arbitrary
@TysonSClarke trust doesn't just fall apart incidentally (as far as I can tell) to go from deeply trusting something to feeling betrayed by it requires something to HAPPEN
@QiaochuYuan @Morphenius upvote received seriously orienting to making this happen sometime between like Oct & March
@TysonSClarke ohohohoho I have the article for you (already linked it to you in the other thread but it seems important to link it here too)
@zencephalon @FractalAuth yesss more stories link me if U do
@asemic_horizon @visakanv @_arvind that one isn't visa, that's some viral irrelevant bullshit that youtube is serving up because people can't resist clicking on it
@MarkLutter wait, could San Franciscans do that now? like, make a new San Francisco government that declares its legitimacy and goes around solving problems? (and of course has to get widespread buy-in pretty immediately in order to actually remain legitimate)
@MattEll74303202 @michael_nielsen goodharting is when you have the problem that goodhart's law describes eg a company that tries to reduce incidents by punishing departments that have incidents ends up disincenvitizing *reporting* incidents and may well end up with more incidents... has goodharted.
@michael_nielsen I've thought about this and my guess is that it doesn't happen because most people who are at an airport have other business and don't want trouble (and want to be good people) and anyone who is choosing where to be *for the purpose of stealing* has even better venues
@choosy_mom @scienceshitpost @__drewface & @Prigoose this diagram seems relevant to Fractal
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF most of it isn't new to me, but it's still a good thread. I'm just amplifying and it's relevant to recent thinking of mine about ego boundaries (hadn't realized dunbar literally labels the middle "ego")
@uberstuber yeah "non-coercion" is still fundamentally neurotic/reactionary/awayness-based although many things start that way because they first need to thoroughly critique the existing thing so it stops hiding in the background
@__drewface yeah I see "authentic relating" as in part "deliberate self-aware relating that can take social expectations as object" like it's also authentic but the main point is that if it isn't (or whatever) there's explicit permission to comment on that
hey @visakanv have you seen this minifesto? has got vibes I think you'll dig, on art, remixing, desire path type stuff goldenlight.mirror.xyz/4SW-snEQ1fIwhd…
Thread · "Cis" as slur, context, and ontological normativity · 13 of 14 tweets
the hashtag #CisIsNotASlur reminds me of an older relative asking me what "cis" meant. he assumed it was a slur because the only time he'd heard it it was his kid angrily calling him that he didn't know the meaning, but he knew it was an attempt to invalidate his experience
idk the context of when his kid said "you don't understand, you're just a cis white man" but I know he's a kind man, who has been a peace activist and run workshops to stop bullying, so I'm sure he was trying his best to listen
the memetic environment had clearly convinced the kid though that anybody who wasn't on board with this particular ontology could be dismissed by labelling them othering people and shaming them until they adopt your worldview! ....will make you more enemies than you can count
meanwhile, no matter where the power comes from, if you have the power to silence somebody by calling them names—That. Is. A. Form. Of. Privilege. obviously that doesn't mean they don't also have other forms of privilege
we need to be able to say the obvious or we go crazy "cis" is OBVIOUSLY sometimes a slur "cis" is OBVIOUSLY sometimes not a slur ("slur" is a bad concept; it's about how the word is used) #CisIsNotASlur #CisIsASlur — both true
anybody on team "cis is never a slur", how do you account for this and the comments to it?
anybody on team "cis is always a slur"... ...many people use it about themselves and their friends with zero charge plus here's a self-identified anti-woke person using it in a medical/technical context because it's a simple way to say what she means:
allowing everybody to say the obvious is hard. part of why this is is that that what's obvious to one person is absurd to another
people are going to see you how they see you, and try to call it how they see it and if the only alternative you can offer them obscures the obvious, they won't take it!
I have mixed feelings about "cis". I've used it a bit but on balance it feels to me kind of othering, so I mostly don't use it, and I certainly don't "identify as cis" (if you think this means I must be trans....... you are OBVIOUSLY committing ontological normativity)
ontological normativity is not going to work here guys nobody is going to win we need to find ways to work with a variety of fluid contextual ontologies and iterate towards better default/common/shared ontologies not impose our own on people who don't want that
somehow we've gotta live in this paradox
while writing this thread, some searches led me to this post on a site trying to abolish gender altogether, written by a transwoman she quotes Simone De Beauvoir in great depth describing how power & normativity & othering interplay genderapostates.com/cissexism-and-…
I am pretty here for this ngl (Elon said yes (Vegas) btw)
I can think of worse strategies. I say go for it if you've got the time & skill to do the bridging and healing in the replies! twitter.com/a_musingcat/st…
@Vorvayne yeah I initially wrote it with the space myself but then I noticed the author didn't
@Vorvayne we actually don't need such a word, as far as I can tell! we don't have a word for "people who don't have asthma" (except for "non-asthmatics") or "people who don't game" (except for "non-gamer") or "people who aren't goths" or "people who aren't librarians"
@Vorvayne the explicit aim of that site is to eliminate "gender" altogether, which they define as "the idea that sex & personality are or should be linked" they see there as being some number of sexes, which they'd call: - man (/boy) - woman (/girl) - transman - transwoman - intersex - ?
@Vorvayne and maybe, within this frame, there could also be a semi-trans-sex that is something like "desexed" (I have heard people get operations for such purposes) or something & this is about the body men & women have (some) different medical needs than trans( )men & trans( )women
@Vorvayne also "of course one doesn't identify as cis" I mean I kind of agree! but are you surprised by these search results showing lots of people saying that they do? twitter.com/search?q=%22i+…
@eedobarganes are you replying just to correct the pronoun? I almost just blocked you since I expect that behavior mostly from assholes, but you've got #GameB in your bio so I'm actually down to explore whether we can dialogue about it.
twitter blue gonna encourage me to upload more videos so I have to change my username every few days to get rid of the checkmark
you can tell me what not to call you but you can't tell me what to call you
@eedobarganes I disagree with a lot of gender ideology stuff but it still seems reasonable and cooperative to me to respect pronouns at least when that's easy to do (and tbh so far when people have weird pronouns, I often just try to not pronoun them at all 😂)
I am increasingly learning to speak openly & honestly about how I see things, including when that might upset people while also trying to do so in a way that is maximally clear and spacious—not *aiming* to upset ideally to name what is so in ways that everyone can get on board
@eedobarganes a persona is a character, and obviously in the context of some actors putting on a show, if someone's playing a female character the character is gonna be called "she" no matter who's playing them I see real-life characters the same way
@eedobarganes what specifically is the reality to which you point? real question. it's not an inherent fact of physical reality that everything is either "he" or "she". spanish of course does map gender onto every noun. english doesn't. some (german?) have three grammatical genders!
@eedobarganes my guess is that you feel like you're being asked to deny your senses or deny the obvious, in calling someone with a penis (or whatever other male characteristics) "she" I feel like some people are actually asking for people to deny their own senses, and to be clear: fuck that.
@vlct0rs_tw1tter @jgreenhall frustration and hate are surprisingly adjacent as far as I can tell! what I pay attention to is whether someone is feeling personally frustrated but still seeing the other person as a person, or whether they're being puppeted by memes that reduce the other person to a category
@eedobarganes right, totally but there's no intrinsic link between gamete size and pronoun. what I'm asking is why you feel like this is the right place to draw the line. why is this the particular battle you're choosing to fight? I don't think it'll work well, so I'm curious why you do
@SethAbramson @Stockmaninoff exactly! I think the hashtag we needed was more like #CisIsSometimesASlur, because the intent seems pretty clearly offensive in this case:
@eedobarganes language is indeed very powerful and important to fight for! but a different fight to pick would be "there are women and transwomen, and they're different but we'll call them both 'she'" I prefer something like this because it lets me find win-wins with more people
@visakanv @everytstudies has a great piece on this is a zebra black with white stripes or white with black stripes? LETS FIGHT OVER IT everythingstudies.com/2017/12/19/the…
@eedobarganes never a non-trans woman, for sure never *simply* a woman but if the man were playing a woman in a shakespeare play, everyone would call that character "she", right? and that would make sense? or would you call out "HE" every time from the audience?
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@eedobarganes a persona is a character, and obviously in the context of some actors putting on a show, if someone's play…
@MysticOlive I totally agree that people are coming from different perspectives and it's not symmetrical. My philosophy is to do my best to not other anybody. No amount of suffering gives anybody the right to inflict suffering on others. Retribution does not lead to peace.
@TysonSClarke Oooh, exciting! Would love to hear more. I feel resonance with what you're saying here about int/ext reality... something like internally holding a lot of emptiness and allowing deep not-knowing... but externally caring a lot about the details that allow people to agree?
@meaningfulideas holy shit, that is fucked although I also think that part of why it's happening is that people like me have been too quiet, which is why I'm trying to speak more openly. "peace & safety for every individual; these ideologies are fucked"
Replying to @_hannahavila
@_hannahavila all slurs are terms to describe people of some particular type some terms used to describe certain people are used mostly hatefully, some of them are used mostly lovingly, some of them mostly neutrally, and some are a mess
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal hmmmm being able to team up against bullies is very important—vital to the foundation of how we can have any peace AT ALL without some benevolent way-stronger authority (eg adult breaking up a kid fight) as I see it I appreciate you bringing up that consideration, will ponder
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal sorry it's upsetting; glad you're talking with me about it. I hope to stay friends with you, & to the extent that you want to talk about this stuff with me, that we can I see a lot of gender ideology as pretty fucked, and I'm trying to name that while loving my trans friends
@nbouscal and I'm hearing that I'm failing to account for your experience here adequately, and I accept that as a shortcoming on my part so yeah, I am listening and trying to integrate what I'm hearing with everything else I know
if saying obvious things is outlawed only outlaws will say obvious things & then non-outlaws will look dumb
@TysonSClarke can you say a whole bunch more about this? maybe write an article? it's *extremely* relevant to my interests but I'm failing to get the core of it from tweet-sized versions maybe just set a lil 15min timer and do one of these:
@lolalucxy what's your experience with it been like?
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"egregore" is a word (surprised I hadn't added this one already)
@MysticOlive Learning the lesson will involve lots of empathizing, and most people are bad at empathizing because they haven't been shown empathy themselves.
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal ........... .... .......well, I am where I am. and reporting my own experiences accurately, there seems to be a giant egregore that could be called "gender ideology", that is making a lot of stupid generalizations and trying to get people fired who disagree.
@nbouscal the stupid generalizations are different from "people reporting their own experiences" forming good generalizations out of your experiences is hard already (see "trauma"). forming & speaking ones that don't contradict *others' experiences* is harder still
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal hmmm okay, well I have a general sense of a lot of people who are politely disagreeing in private but not saying anything publicly because they're afraid of getting fired (or otherwise harassed or whatever) so there's still a HUGE chilling effect / preference falsification
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal @captain_mrs yeah, I appreciate it <3
@MediClit you might dig Todd Rose's book The End of Average which thoroughly deconstructs the absurd ideology of averagerianism which says that being average is good for basically completely uncited reasons
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"uncited" is a word
@MediClit wow I'm so confused I was on your profile while I was writing that thread (probably when I searched uses of "cis" by people I follow) and I could have sworn I saw a tweet where you said "I'm anti-woke" but apparently my memory is more fallible than I thought!!
@MediClit (it was that tweet, which apparently I mis-saw (maybe it was someone else's reply? I have no idea what I'm thinking of) that prompted me to say "self-identified anti-woke" I like how you're also trying to think clearly amidst the polarization!
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal I'm in favor of health care and pronouns and "live and let live" but the reality is that people *are* fighting over ontology and I think part of why trans activism is a lot ontologically messier than other movements is that it's about change rather than acceptance-of-what-is
@nbouscal I'm just thinking out loud here, but like for a parent to accept that their kid might be gay, they just do nothing, and the kid either dates some guys or doesn't. chill. to accept that their kid might be trans, they have to change pronouns and encourage the kid to get surgery
@nbouscal pronouns, 3+ genders, etc... is a pretty deep ontological change and the surgery thing is a big decision, and a big change in norms (not to say we don't need some changes in norms around child genital surgery. I'm circumcized and that's still shockingly treated as nbd)
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal yeah "support" would have been better than "encourage" idk the details but the kid I mentioned in the first tweet supposedly needed to wait until... age 16...? to start getting hormones or something like that. but the family was talking about it. maybe it was top surgery?
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal I appreciate this. I am attempting to disentangle myself from the memes here, and I've become aware I'm a bit captured. that's, tbh, part of why I'm trying to write publicly about how I'm seeing things, for multiple reasons.
@nbouscal part of why I'm writing about my own perspective is that what's made memes from trans-hostile folks compelling is that they are saying obviously-true things that I'm seeing denied in trans-friendly frames I'm seeing so I want to see if those obvious things can be said kindly
@novel_tokens nah sometimes we need to say the obvious
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal yeah totally. can you unpack a bit how this explains the experience of each side? or give some examples of the implied premises?
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal I agree there's a change there but as far as I can tell that's a much smaller change, to a degree that's qualitative, and this does seem to explain something important about current tensions (although it's important to not discount the role of the internet, as differences go)
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal hmmm. puberty blockers are still a pretty active intervention but true, within the frame I brought up of "change", of course puberty is a huge change and to some extent blockers are non-change finding myself wanting to speak in terms of what's "natural" but aware that's spicy
Thread · Finding a joke funny requires granting the joker equal status
the phenomenology of finding someone's joke funny is very interesting. I have paid close attention to it in myself and I find that I usually can't laugh at someone's joke without granting them a kind of equal social status / fundamental dignity getting someone's joke is humbling
what's trippy is that if I for whatever reason (usually some kind of status fear myself) am blocked from seeing someone as a full person, then it's easy to find their jokes kind of land flat but once or twice I've been able to WATCH myself inhibit the sense of humor
part of what it means to get someone's joke is to deeply accept their meaning-making, letting it into your own, and allowing them to play with meaning it's a kind of trust or something, I think letting one's guard down, letting someone fool you
huh!!! this would also explain why dictators become humorless and unable to laugh at anybody else's jokes! (and why sane kings keep jesters around, so that they aren't 100% on top of the status hierarchy)
Replying to @milliandtheband
@milliandtheband "not trans" is my current preference we don't have special words for not-[most other things] and not-trans is the natural default state ofc, that naturalness/defaultness has been used to argue that transness is bad or wrong or shameful or whatever (none of which I agree with!)
@milliandtheband but, without being a jerk about it... the naturalness/defaultness/priorness of not-trans is still real! and obvious! (and one of the obvious things many deny) this is not true of: - men-as-default (vs women) - white-as-default (vs whatever else) these DON'T have a basis at all
@milliandtheband hmm, beyond the political issues here I'm noticing that this is hard to talk about because "natural" is a very hard thing to talk about for a species that is so deeply composed of cultural influence, not just genetic influence
@reconfigurthing EXACTLY
@MediClit yup, it's absurd and also curious why sometimes it's below-average that gets tarred and sometimes above-average and then sometimes actually everybody who isn't average (or confusable for average) in any direction is considered problematic
@MediClit (I almost said "aberrant" instead of "problematic" but aberrant literally means "deviating from the usual course" so it's sort of already in the averagerian frame)
@asemic_horizon yep, fuck that noise language is language. abolish the idea that there's a right way to do it. there's just what works in context.
@positive_loop @uberstuber no the question makes perfect sense "freedom" is the best word I have found I think youtube.com/watch?v=FkQ9IK…
@positive_loop @uberstuber I sometimes think of this as "fundamental freedom"
@meekaale hmmmmmm yes, like how complaining is sacred from the right angle
Thread · Dropping "white" as a racial category
I've recently been noticing that I don't have a way to conceive of anybody as "white" without it increasing my racial prejudice it's a fake category whose main (only?) uses are: - justify white supremacy or defaultness - blame people based on skin color both of which I reject
I'm not denying the concept still has a lot of power and is even probably still written into many laws but look at this absurd chart of rulings about who gets to be counted as "white" this is a textbook sign of a bad ontology source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitio…
loosening my ontology here has made it EASIER, not harder, for me to also acknowledge that in some contexts (though not all) I get less racial prejudice than some people it makes it easier for me to stop seeing myself as a default-type-of-person
dropping "white" as a concept highlighted how I was using it in one utterance about my hometown, I tried replacing "white" with "people who look like me" but... look like me how??? they're taller/shorter, hairier/balder, men/women why privilege "race"? twitter.com/nat_sharpe_/st…
with this confusing "white" label pulled off, I can pay more attention to the stories I'm telling underneath some weird stuff in there! I noticed I'd confused two people because in addition to a few other things in common their skin was ~✋🏾 but of totally different origins
tell me about your pain and the pain of your ancestors and that of your family today I'll listen as best I can (I may need to pause and listen to myself first in order to really take you in without losing myself)
tell me where you come from, what you know of it and want to share—whatever story that feels most relevant to you and if where you come from is just "Chicago", you can just be from Chicago I'm sorry if that answer didn't satisfy someone else
and if you can't trace your story back as far as you'd like because some violence destroyed its traces, I'll grieve with you and I'll offer an apology from whatever larger scale entity I feel I can speak for
@pythonandpanda yeah, as I note downthread, "slur" is a confused word, since it's in large part about usage straight seems like a reasonably healthy concept in how people are using it but honestly "white" doesn't, and I'm done with it
Thread · "Cis" as slur, context, and ontological normativity · 1 of 14 tweets
I want to hoist this reply, which added: > So the question to ask is really: does it seem like a lot of people to whom the term applies *consider it* demeaning prima facie? > For “cis” the answer is yes.
@meaningfulideas totally, I'm sure that's part of it for some people but it seems to me clearly not all of it
Replying to @Sharon_Lewis
@Sharon_Lewis I mean "Game B" is basically another name for the exact thing I'm talking about here! so it seems like what you're onto lots of people doing GameB-related leadership work, which is exciting!
@Sharon_Lewis if you want to hear my take in particular on this whole space, this open letter goes into a fair bit of depth malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
@jaticarta one of the big puzzles is the extent to which they are discoveries vs rediscoveries seems to me that even rediscoveries can hit/sit very different when held consciously rather than just being old traditions everyone follows without knowing why
Replying to @SlowwCo
@SlowwCo haha yup! it's been a theme for me for awhile. I thought about some of those old posts when you brought up subject & object actually 😂
@xepo_ @metaLulie (my response; guessing Lulie will agree) I don't mean non-coercion isn't the destination it totally is! but "non-coercion", as a way of talking about it, is defined in opposition to "coercion" which fails this criterion
@visakanv yalls memes are probably already crossfertilizing then
@DRMacIver @jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft @made_in_cosmos @abhayance yeah those others are riffing on you, but I wasn't! (my idea is slightly different but honestly not much)
@DRMacIver @jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft @made_in_cosmos @abhayance because part of the whole deal of the new cultural platform, as I see it, is that "how to human" becomes based on sharing "here's what works for me, maybe it'll work for you" vs "this is how things are supposed to work, if you don't do it you're a bad human"
@DRMacIver @jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft @made_in_cosmos @abhayance this attitude:
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF I feel like that does explain a lot yeah do you have a sense of why that is? I gather in general that ennea8s tend to have pretty large absorptive egos, but yeah
@TysonSClarke I mean part of the whole insight here is that you don't have to seek out a snake in order to have a trippy experience. it seeks you out—you just have to survive to tell the tale. (and then optimize the process so it rarely kills people)
@Vorvayne I'm reading around, yeah. I have to follow my appetite though otherwise I find myself in a dynamic where I've been assigned homework from some projected authority, which leads to resent!
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF if I haven't thoroughly affirmed my own experience enough, it would lead to me losing touch with part of my own experience; this layering is a kind of internal damage (one of the things we mean by "trauma" is literally this)
@TysonSClarke mmm but trust doesn't simply "get shaken", is what I'm saying there was a state of trusting (naively) and then a thing that happened that caused a betrayal (all of this in my model, which is fairly well-considered but also gets lots of updates)
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @ladymcscope yeah, there's a lot of education by punishment still happening drmaciver.substack.com/p/education-by…
@HephaistosF but while sure, people have advantages and disadvantages, it's possible to improve one's skill level at vibing and yeah, this does require an environment that has good feedback loops, which is hard to get if your mind is made of hellish torture whatever others do
Retweeted @clarityscape
thinking about the subtle distinction between "focus your time and energy on what you want to see more of" and "pretend y…
@clarityscape nice, I went to search for visa's tweet to QT, but then I decided to search all-people-I-follow and found this instead, and it was super on-topic
@jessi_cata well CRT, whatever its origins, now as a memeplex seems to be trying to strengthen peoples' identification with whiteness which is *definitely* not going to work and in general CRT seems to fail the "focus on what you want to see more of" challenge
@mykola yeah agreed. my second tweet was poorly phrased; tone is important; I gather it was hurled at the parent as the kid stormed off not quite a "slur" but also *far* from a neutral category in the ontology it was being used in
people can have the exact same insight then go do completely opposite things with it because of how the insight combined with everything else they know/feel/understand/value
@jessi_cata great point though—glad you mentioned CRT and pointed this out a great reminder that
@radgendervibes thanks for sharing my thread my ontology is definitely biased (I don't know how anybody's could not be) but it's more biased than I would like which is part of why I'm undertaking to untangle it by talking about it
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal "we're just asking you to treat us with respect and use our pronouns" I want to tag, in service of being able to dialogue, that this feels very motte-bailey-esque to me there is either a lot more being asked for (by many people) or a lot buried in the word "respect" here
@acesounderglass I'm not sure if standup counts with respect to what I'm talking about here the audience dynamics already weirdly elevate the status of the person at the front, and nobody is expected to have any kind of peership, and you're half anonymous anyway
@acesounderglass it's also possible that self-deprecating humor is *itself* an exception?? seems highly plausible tbh I don't feel like I'm raising/upholding someone's status/esteem when I laugh at their self-deprecation, I feel like I'm dissing it
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @brandontoner hmmm... I'm not sure! you can try to put it a different way if you want. maybe give a fictional example of the sort of dynamic you're imagining
@TysonSClarke I mean my sense is that it comes from dualism, which is well-depicted by "knowledge of good and evil" whether or not you buy the snake cult stuff although that seems to me like the best explanation anyone has come up with
@TysonSClarke I resonate with your later points but your response to the earlier bit about snakes specifically sorta feels surprisingly defensive or something do you have a vested interest in the snake choice being arbitrary or fear-based?
@rmbalt @clarityscape oooooh super well put he gently picks up the trend, makes a note, then puts it back down
@DRMacIver @jonnym1ller @p_millerd @m_ashcroft @made_in_cosmos @abhayance yeah all good, I replied with it elsewhere in this top-level situation
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF what's the difference between those apparently non-transitive =s?
@aleksil79 consider "making money while enjoying it" or "making money while learning interesting stuff" or "making money while experiencing cosmic unity"?
@mykola again, I don't know the exact situation but I believe this wasn't an argument, it was the older person being totally confused and trying to understand what things even meant but also there is no singular "the-non-cis experience". everyone has a variety of experiences.
@mykola I mean I'm a person saying the first thing and not the second thing. And so far people seem to be mostly respecting me, so that's encouraging. I'm very principled about symmetry.
@visakanv ahhhh I love these metaphors
@visakanv nice. from my notes while writing this thread (I ended up going with juxtaposition rather than separate threads, but I fleshed out the middle for a better segue.)
@mykola > using the word to refer to the thing it refers to right but the word refers to a thing *within an ontology*. and what I'm saying here is that the dialogue needs to somehow manage to move up a level to ontology, because everyone sounds stupid fighting in different frames
@TysonSClarke well the author of the article literally posits an alternate explanation for #1, which to me fits together a lot better given that snakes are associated with wisdom, not just power but I don't see you responding to his theory at all, neither critiquing it nor resonating with it
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @aleksil79 hmmm resonates a bit with this, yeah?
@TysonSClarke ahh (from the other thread) > because I think the "dangerous protector" avatar is necessary at every level this is the thing that I think is creating the thing in you that is reading as defensiveness to me! you feel like you're protecting this idea
@TysonSClarke and I think you're onto something really important with the "dangerous protector" thing, which I would very much like to understand and integrate into my own worldview but it currently feels to me like it's missing a bunch. like why wouldn't dogs also have gods then?
@TysonSClarke (that's probably a bad place to start with my questioning haha, but like, I feel like there are a few weird things getting presupposed at that start of your reasoning process here. I am genuinely interested in grokking the dangerous protector thing)
Replying to @racelessgospel
@racelessgospel wow, thanks for this. I'm enjoying the experience of seeing your face in your pics/vids while letting go of the idea that you have a "race" (I found your tweet somehow via some searching I did while writing this race abolitionist thread of my own today)
Replying to @racelessgospel
@racelessgospel the bit about "people who count" reminds me of "Somebodies and Nobodies", a brilliant book that describes how attempting to fight specific -isms will fail because the actual issue is about whether *anybody* gets to use power to make anybody else not count amazon.ca/Somebodies-Nob…
would any part of you like to chill right now, for just a minute? would the rest of you be willing to grant that wish?
@Morphenius @bachianas plz tease me with quotes from this until I also get into it thx (assuming that it seems up my alley as well) hey we could do this with it
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal I'm in favor of talking about all of it. lots of surgeries happening as a result of people feeling like something is wrong with their bodies, at least *some* of which are due to misinformation
@MediClit huh, vaguely guessing that these confusions are related (tho idk causality) to the fact that the widely-used tanner scale for development measures female sexual development crotchwise literally just by bush size, with no documentation of how everything else blossoms etc
@metaLulie 1. we're friends 2. a spirit of delightful playfulness. you're more integrated with younger selves than many people. 3. I'm both personally and for-you-sake stoked for you to have kids and the experience of raising them. rooting for you to find a great guy for that!
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"recurse" is a word for those of us strange enough to think that things aren't cursed enough already
@radgendervibes Yeah, that makes sense. I was just having a train of thought. I didn't know where I was going with it. I'm not trying to muddle the water. And if I weren't riffing on a bunch of discourse around the word "slur" in the first place, I wouldn't have thought of that word once.
@radgendervibes I agree that "insult" is a better term here. And "cis people like you" in your tweet lands for me as... eh, I'm not sure how to call it. I don't like it. It feels unnecessary, especially in context. either of - "eg you" - "cis people" would have sufficed. no need to equate.
@rmbalt hmmm, some resonance there but also I think this as a full-on norm could be exploited
@rmbalt (specifically I have once or twice been in a frame of mind where literally everything was funny, even if it was simultaneously disturbing, but the humor response would hit first and I couldn't really inhibit it)
@rmbalt at any rate, I came across this exchange on the same topic (humor and the Will Smith slap thing) which is pretty interesting!
Retweeted @warrenmansell
@heather_berlin @PBS @novapbs @iapct In essence, if you consciously and fixedly pursue one goal, then you are predetermi…
Replying to @warrenmansell
@warrenmansell @heather_berlin @PBS @novapbs @iapct Mmmm, well put. I made a little video to demo something about exactly this! ...which has a little bit of magic in it 😉 youtu.be/Zzn4TxpxxrA
@CoughsOnWombats I mean some of these are kind of bad signs but I don't take them too seriously since anybody would allow you to say them out loud. The worst sign imo is how many people *actively* insist that "funner" is not a word.
@kalinh I've heard his name (via Rebel Wisdom or something) but haven't read him. Thanks! Sounds very apt for where I'm at.
@bijibiji2023 Thanks for the perspective! That all makes sense. I mean it's super fucked but it checks out.
@bijibiji2023 I'm curious... if I were saying "race abolitionism is based" I wouldn't also be saying "as a white Jew" I would be saying something more like - "as a Jew that people will treat as white" - "as a light-skinned Jew" - "as a white-passing [or "white"] Jew". What's your thinking?
@tomcritchlow GTD is also an ideology lol. I mean it's a specific set of practices but they have implicit priorities and a worldview that generates them. I critique it and present a contrasting one here: intend.do/philosophy
@__drewface Post favs.
Retweeted @aleksil79
This is an example of an utterance caused by its intended effect. What's a good term for this kind of phenomenon? I feel I w…
@aleksil79 Prayer Although there is arguably a difference between praying to eg God and praying to eg the internet.
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia Diff between: 🗨️ "tell them the emotions are valid" 🫂 "act as though the emotions are valid" (although I'd probably say "welcome", "coherent", "meaningful") Once people have been *invalidated*, it can be helpful to revalidate explicitly, but besides that show works better.
@selentelechia Tbqh TELL without SHOW is kinda gaslighting Unless you also say something like "and I'm overwhelmed right now and so I don't know how to welcome your emotions but I wish I could" Although whether this is going to make sense to your kid will depend on the kid.
Retweeted @diviacaroline
@selentelechia @made_in_cosmos And like there are things I’m ~never going to change my mind about in the most direct way…
@visakanv It's a kind of sacred offering. A blessing, a prayer, an opening.
@zencephalon Cool to see "U" here and know the context for it now!
Retweeted @diviacaroline
One very memorable parenting experience for me was my maybe 20m kid melting down at night, me trying to empathize with h…
@diviacaroline Ahhhhh beautiful.
Thread · Complaining as affirming one's values and experience · 1 of 8 tweets
Beautiful lil story of the power of receiving someone's grievances:
Retweeted @__drewface
i haven't seen as much discussion focused on newcomers to twitter, lately. So here's an introduction thread!! If you're "…
expired: "example" tired: "case study" wired: "story"
@made_in_cosmos does it resonate for you to say that it's also in part about including them inside your ~ego boundary or something like that? I've been thinking about this a lot, particularly re kids when I was holding a baby last week and the baby would stir if left out of my awareness/self
cool to realize that Shape of my Heart by Sting is kind of about tarot youtube.com/watch?v=EX5eqs…
(then there's In The Cards by Robert DeLong, which is very explicitly about tarot) youtube.com/watch?v=89JxvW…
Thread · Complaining as affirming one's values and experience · 1 of 8 tweets
oh and here's a side-thread where I convey this whole point in a different way to someone who was coming from a position similar to the one I used to hold on complaints pre-2020
> be in mindset learning community > leader wants me to choose the mindset > ask her if it's a good mindset or a bad mindset > she doesn't understand > pull out diagram explaining good & bad > she laughs and says "good & bad aren't real" > choose the mindset > it's a bad mindset
the above tweet is super high-context but maybe it'll be funny to people anyway in any case it's what came up when I thought about trying to make a remix on that meme plus I do have this entire blog post explaining the joke for anyone who wants that: malcolmocean.com/2021/11/mindse…
@DriscollEllis @made_in_cosmos yup! I made a whole video about how even though I don't keep todo lists that can go stale, staleness can sneak into almost anywhere and how to declare bankruptcy in response: youtu.be/KMijT8qCF5s
@ryanglark @made_in_cosmos my app, @IntendApp, has this! things you don't do for a few days just fall off the list! I've experimented with making a "lost to time" view that shows you things you didn't do over a month ago, and that one-month period functions as a kind of period in which to let them go
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"memoryhole" is a word but maybe it would be funny if I didn't add it to my dictionary and ended up coming back to add it again later 😂
Thread · A grade 9 bra-size measurement and the shame that followed
in grade 9, I found the formula for calculating bra size so for calibration I measured my pecs and the result I got was B-cup (I forget the number) and when I told my friends at lunch one girl said that was obviously wrong & that I was an idiot & made fun of me over the years
somehow the whole incident felt for years like something I wanted to memoryhole / wishing I hadn't mentioned it shame + couldn't get my friends to stop bringing it up and I didn't know how to talk with them about it or get any shared reality
I guessed pretty immediately that it wasn't a coincidence that I got flak from a girl who herself was not that busty probably she felt socially threatened, as if I'd said "you're so flat even I, a guy, have a bigger chest" & she was saying "fuck you" to that. which... fair!
I still don't know if I actually measured wrong or if my pecs were just huge as fuck 🤔 I had done an absurd number of pushups earlier that year so it's not inconceivable
anyway yep it seems like curiosity & revealing honestly is a good antidote for shame I think part of what felt so bad in the first place here is that it felt like my curiosity itself was the target of the shame fuck that. I can be curious about bra sizes if I want!
do *you* know the specific meaning of the letter/number combo of bra size? like you don't have to know exactly how to measure someone and turn that into eg 32C, but you know what the "32" refers to and what the "C" refers to
something the internet is missing, SOMEHOW, is a grid of photos showing how eg "D" does not refer to a specific "size of boobs" (like volume) but is relative to underlying chest-size diagram on the right tries but it's both visually fake & technically inaccurate
@AaronEstel thanks
@parafactual @AaronEstel @forshaper release cringe by tweeting it
@AaronEstel aww fuck, yeah put that on the packing list for next year for sure
@AaronEstel ah fuck, ow <3 I had an old tweet about how I wished there were a set of like 3 canned messages you could send someone after they blocked you ah yeah "canned" finds it
Retweeted @The_Matt_Brooks
The best advice to learn how to juggle is to do it at the edge of your bed so you can pick up the balls without bendin…
@The_Matt_Brooks yep, this is why I try to keep highlighting that "tpot" is not a thing
@ryanglark @made_in_cosmos @IntendApp and even something you intended to do today but don't do today doesn't automatically stick around on tomorrow's list it goes in a buffer called "recent notdones" and then you can grab things from there for today, *if you want* but that's always a conscious choice!
@ryanglark @made_in_cosmos @IntendApp and if you try doing that many days in a row, after a few days it forces you to break the thing down in order to set it as a new intention for today you can't keep trying and failing without acknowledging it at least slightly
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
do *you* know the specific meaning of the letter/number combo of bra size? like you don't have to know exactly how to m…
@made_in_cosmos I made a whole app for exactly this! …which you've tried & loved... but seems it hasn't clicked as a daily workflow? I'd love to understand your experience more, & help you create a solution (with or without intend.do) that works for you!
@made_in_cosmos what did you come up with here btw? I'd love to see it (maybe I already did and just forgot)
@Nexuist @djmicrobeads @imperialauditor yeah seems to me it's about feeling wanted/desired, which paying for sex *absolutely* does not solve as someone who was once a very lonely confused 13yo, I can empathize with the desperation. mine stopped at self-hatred, but other-hatred is adjacent
@Austromum ahh oof, nothing like contemptuous people who are factually incorrect about something (even worse when it's the teacher, which I got a few times)
@forthrighter there is indeed some difference in distance between boobs, but it isn't captured directly by this the right-hand photo should be in profile, because the actual difference in letters is about distance away from chest, not circumference when viewed front-on
@forthrighter but that's ALSO hard to do since variation in how deep front-to-back a someone's chest is... is also often not as noticeable as variation in how wide someone's chest is
@forthrighter maybe 45°-angle would actually be ideal for such a grid? genuinely not sure. maybe ideally get each pair of boobs photographed from front, 45°, side, and make 3 grids it is baffling to me that the internet does not have anything even remotely close to this already this but pics
@forthrighter actually honestly you know what is just as surprising? that there isn't a version with uhhh no bras.
@forthrighter look I didn't say that I expected the no bras version to be made by lingeries salespeople 😂
@ryanglark @made_in_cosmos @IntendApp yeah exactly intending to do something today doesn't mean you definitely intend to do it forever until you decide not to. but there's a record! I haven't actually announced the "lost to time" view because I want to make sure it doesn't somehow participate in staleness anyway
Retweeted @made_in_cosmos
ooof I'm feeling this so much how do y'all solve this?
@bungoman @made_in_cosmos "wait" is such an underrated move I've often found that if I just sit down without my phone or anything, after a minute or two I feel interested in going to do something and I get up and do it
@utotranslucence @_ali_taylor "charm" was the first one that came to mind for me too
Replying to @Nickolas_Name49
@Nickolas_Name49 @AFikamonster yeah I honestly agree "insult" is a better word. I was riffing on the hashtag and got stuck in its frame this reply made some good points about that:
Replying to @Nickolas_Name49
@Nickolas_Name49 quite seriously it seems to me that "not-trans" is a good good-faith bridge-building word at the moment for interfacing with people who don't want to be called "cis" we don't have separate words for all "not-X" categories, and "not-trans" is short enough
@Nickolas_Name49 I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to also use "cis" at times, but if you're trying to talk with people who don't want to be called that, this is a way of creating more neutral territory it says ~"I have a frame that talks about "trans", a term which does not refer to you"
@Nickolas_Name49 versus "my frame gets define what we call you" which is a dominance move in a similar way to how calling oneself "normal" is a dominance move and if we want to move towards equity, we can't just reverse polarity on who gets to dominate
How people end up with crazy (to you) ontologies: they have some experiences they don't know how to make sense of and a crazy ontology comes along and says "hey look here's how it makes sense" and it is legit kinda helpful (but then obscures other things obvious to you)
Retweeted @finereli
@nf_qts I'm thinking my way through an alternative to UBI that nudges everyone to become entrepreneur. A system where you don…
Retweeted @visakanv
the people who ask to be bullied into doing or not-doing things, are the same people who don’t know what they want.
I knew I loved fasting when I got up but it's striking how much a difference my environment makes. staying in a family friend's attic for a few weeks, with food 2 flights of stairs away, I'm happily fasting til 5pm without even noticing
but like food is awesome. tasty, warming, great way to take a break. so if there is food nearby it's hard for me not to just eat some by 2pm, usually more like noon last month's set up had my desk literally in the kitchen and that was hard
@embryosophy curiosity is in some sense the opposite of defensiveness it's a sign of trusting your environment/situation, not because you're in control of it but because you're comfortable with not-knowing in this context such a person can welcome you and your experience
@TylerAlterman some people take this to mean "I should just try harder to let go more often" but I take it to mean that whatever part was gripping tightly last time got left behind and didn't get to experience the joy & ease and the challenge is how to bring it along rather than fight it
@RichDecibels agreed, though in some cases there's a pretty strong confusion about what "welcoming" even looks like, depending on the amount/type of past betrayals there's no single metric of "sufficiently welcoming"
@RichDecibels "an invitations and a place to practice" YESSS
seems like vibecamp was a really powerful learning environment for a lot of people and I'm here to say that if it was somehow outside of your zone of proximal development—an overwhelming challenge, not an encouraging one—that is so beyond okay ❤️🩹 youtube.com/watch?v=Wl3N0t…
inspired by this: > an invitation and a place to practice
@RichDecibels also to honor that if the place did not feel safe to practice, that's okay too and they don't need to try to feel safe if they don't (although it may be a huge disappointment for someone who was hoping it would feel safe)
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
it’s significant about tpot that many came here after being burned by other communities - leftists, hippies, rats, etc - a…
@QiaochuYuan yessss
@QiaochuYuan my take on how to do this (if you don't have a facilitator who can hear each side)
@heynibras 1. you have a particular flavor of wholesome warmth that I love... somehow soft but not soft, open but not too open. Idk 2. Ship more stuff. Get your creative projects out into the world!
these days it's very hard to do one thing without bumping into something else 📧 go to reply to an email, there's your inbox 📱 pick up phone for 2FA token, there's a text 💻 go to computer to write, there's 30 open tabs ▶️ open YouTube to upload, there's intriguing shorts
@s0ulDirect0r bought U one 🌯 godspeed man get that merch out!
@QiaochuYuan @utotranslucence wrote a lil piece about this vibe, 5y ago next week autotranslucence.com/2018/06/27/as-…
@QiaochuYuan @arabelladevine I totally recommend walking through crowds listening to music while expanding awareness
Retweeted @relic_radiation
woa I’ve noticed a part / pattern in myself - if I’m upset with someone, I sometimes assume they have bad intent. co…
@lisatomic5 A surprising fraction of regular @IntendApp users report having ADHD. It was like 40% on a survey I did last year. Kinda makes sense since I made it and while I don't mostly think of myself as ADHD although I have hyperfocus and high branch factor and have trouble with jobs.
@lisatomic5 I did some substantial model-building years ago mapping out different workflows and philosophies. Could collaborate on this although I am not your guy for thorough or statistical research.
@nwilliams030 Do men's chests do this too? Or non-mother women? I would figure probably at least somewhat if they're attuned enough.
Retweeted @visakanv
since I did one, I might as well do the other, so here's my latest overview of @FANswitchboard – this one clocking in at 750…
@BecomingCritter I like to shorten wisdom to isdom
@BecomingCritter I've seen some uptake of "preesh" for "appreciation" As in a way of saying basically "thanks" with a less transactional/favor connotation. Weird word but I also kinda wish it would take off.
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Signing off
choice, in a spiritual context, makes almost no sense to me whatsoever it seems to me like if the choice is hard, it's about owning what I want, not about spiritual insight or practice can anybody convey to me the wisdom?
zoomquilts are about to get NUTS within a few years someone will make a tool that generates this in real-time, with live prompting to affect the next layer
voice memos are pretty great when tone is important, but when it's not and you're just too lazy to type... ... speech to text is pretty fucking great, as talking as faster than typing but reading is faster than listening
so many adults never get beyond kid-level of Theory of Mind (other people know different things than me) ...to more advanced stages like: - other people think different things than me - no actually other people ACTUALLY think those things
when I was a kid in a small town I remember people learning how to do this, and it was just a meme / party trick, like "this is the longest word you can spell with your hands like this". no association
someone referred to my thread about gender the other day as part of a "campaign" 😂
I am Listening
comment below if you currently feel like you'd enjoy/value holding space for a mutual (or for anyone around) I just did and it was so great for both of us that I have a sense of there being a lot of low-hanging fruit here
If you have friends that enjoy/value holding space or helping people think through stuff, and you feel like you could use some support you... ...you might consider messaging your friends right now and asking if they're free to do that!
one of the most insidious parts of blame is how it makes people not want to be able to fix their dysfunctional dynamics ...because if I have the power to fix it, that's taken as a sign that the dynamic was "my fault" 😬
I have now seen: - ordinary nachos = tortilla chips + toppings - irish nachos = waffle-cut fries (potato) + toppings - wonton nachos = wontons + toppings what others have you seen or can you imagine?
"you shouldn't have done that" "...but I did tho" "but you shouldn't've" "so... seems like you got an is/ought problem man, glhf"
I'm at the things and stuff I'm at the stuff and things I'm at the combination things and stuff and stuff and things
@slimepriestess @QiaochuYuan @algekalipso moksha? I recall that word in Huxley's Island, but does it mean something more general?
@imperialauditor Depends on the group. Can also increase awkwardness, eg "soo... awkward silence" and someone else is like "Oh I was just kind of relaxing into feeling safe with you, but now this is awkward" Instead better to own it as your own experience: "sooo idk about you but I feel awkward"
@finereli @theandreboso @helloitsolly @arvidkahl Maaaaaaaybe but I doubt I'd follow the plan in part because I doubt I'd trust the plan to work.
Retweeted @acidshill
one of my spicier opinions is that intellectual property is philosophically bullshit, and we'd be better off* with a system…
Retweeted @myceliummage
the existence of metaphysical reality implies the existence of metaphysical natural resources and the commensurate modes…
@CarnunMP I've found it helpful to see that in some sense it doesn't mean either of us is wrong (although we may be overgeneralizing)
...and that's just the tip of the intersubjective iceberg! Read about Dream Mashups for a deep look at projection & perception. as blog post: malcolmocean.com/2021/06/dream-… as twitter thread:
@AlmostMedia Depends on the person but average is 40 WPM for typing and 150 WPM for speaking I'm 100 WPM for typing, though less on my phone (but still like 80) and also a fast talker but often I'm rate limited on knowing exactly what I want to say
@leonardbarrett Ha! Amazing. Yeah I can still do it too.
@arabelladevine What would be a better way? Have people developed other approaches?
@lisatomic5 Whoa this feels really related to a tweet by... @uberstuber? @jessicamalonso? about mapping different kinds of people and what kind of workflows they might need
@lisatomic5 I'm well aware of it but it's a big project and I'm not sure how to really go about it approaching it. Every now and then I fantasize about designing a whole operating system on a UI level. Idc about the kernel AT ALL tho so probably I'm thinking more window manager or browser
@fluxe_e "GPA-tanking" 🤣
@AlmostMedia Right. I don't use speech to text with a computer jesus christ. Or if I have my phone and my Bluetooth keyboard with my phone which is great. But speech to text does seem to be faster and easier than swiping at least sometimes.
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the obsession over questions like whether a hotdog is a sandwich comes from it being the only exposure surface many people…
@captain_mrs I really liked this post, which talks about Pluto-as-planet capturing everyone's attention for related reasons metarationality.com/remodeling
@captain_mrs Bahahaha this is the way. Which is to say this is also what I do.
@pragueyerrr There's a difference between holding grudges and wanting deep reconciliation. In principle, though sadly only sometimes in practice, any rupture given sufficient love and attention can turn into a deep healing experience for everyone with profound laughter and insight.
@nosilverv Unlike me who is self-aware
@Thinkwert @thinkagainer About 1 of the hundred land acknowledgements I've heard had any reverence... and that one was great (and not very ideological)
@Meaningness Teaching it is difficult even though learning it is not (for many people) Learning programming is easy because it has good feedback loops to induce flow states, but education and teaching are set up to ignore flow states.
@lishiyori Is toaster your actual lower bar for emotional acuity? Be careful what you wish for 😛
@aleksil79 I am not sure what you mean by that aside from that people are not very good at praying, which seems right. It's kind of a lost skill at this point
@JLyle @pythonandpanda Because I associate them more with friendliness and I associate "cis" more with ideology. This association is based on my personal experience of how the words have been used in my presence; I don't need to justify it.
@JLyle @pythonandpanda To be clear "cis" doesn't always feel bad to me, but if someone thinks they have a right to call me it then I feel othered.
@pythonandpanda @JLyle Yeah I'm not ready to be curious here, although I'm looking forward to when I am! But I'm not at that stage yet—I still need to do a lot of affirming of my own perspective. This is my model of what allows curiosity (definitely for me, maybe in general)
@pythonandpanda @JLyle ou might ask "well why don't you do that step in private?" to which my answers are: - I've done a lot in private to even get to this phase - thinking in public demands more rigor - I want to help affirm other ppl's similar experiences to mine - helps me when others resonate w me
@aleksil79 Literally just last night I wrote this: > I just had a weird thought which was that I was imagining praying for the weather here to be cooler later this week for reasons, and I was like what does that even mean? Like I know what it means to pray for courage or to pray for…
This is my first use of more than 280. I've been very diligent about not doing it in general because I really think part of the magic of this platform is the discrete utterances, but it seemed appropriate for pasting in text I'd written elsewhere (vs screenshot? break it up?)
@asemic_horizon No, preach!
@AaronEstel It would have a narrow window of use I think, like within a day maybe. So you couldn't use it to remind them of someone they'd forgotten about.
@tomcritchlow Oh awesome yeah let me know what you think! The intend app at present isn't really at all well-organized for team coordination. But I have done some thinking about that puzzle, which you can read here: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
post one of your more inscrutable tweets below (that you think says something important) here's one of mine
Retweeted @eshear
New tech law I would actually support: If data is available to your customer through an interface by hand, the same information…
@eshear Honestly this is probably encourage better app design as well in many situations. Hard to figure out how to handle DRM type stuff. The whole thing feels pretty related to something I've been calling "evolutionary software"
@leahprime Unwillingness to acknowledge that I only have 24h in a day and can't do everything.
@dancinghorse16 Not sure this is what you're looking for but given your use of "hosting" seems to me that it would be cool to have a particular word for watching people enjoy something that you made possible in the first place... "Creative compersion" maybe??
Now that I have friends in a bunch of different timezones, and I've traveled a bit more, I'm starting to get a sense of how timezones all feel different to be in.
getting more into using speech to text on my phone (laptop won't charge 🫤) I'm noticing some weird things I wish I could customize, like how when I say "six p m" it tries to impress the teacher and puts down "6:00 p.m." "6pm" was right there
@DomdomHaas @Meaningness Seems to me that things are easy to learn quite in correlation with how easy it is to get into a flow state with them This is definitely not true of all programming but it's certainly true for a lot of programming, where you can near instantly check if what you just did worked
@DomdomHaas @Meaningness Contrast that with writing for instance, where there's some feedback loop between your sense of whether what you wrote is what you intended, but the question of whether it makes sense to anyone else has to wait to publish it and get feedback.
@aleksil79 What do you mean? You can't simply "have A not exist"...
Replying to @impartialpim
@impartialpim @jonnym1ller I'm also interested!
@nabeelqu I mean if we make it to the future it'll probably be pretty awesome, and if we don't then your investments don't matter If you try to short humanity, there's no way to collect the payout if you're right.
@Jeanvaljean689 It doesn't affect my cognition much that I've been able to notice, even as I've become more sensitive. Maybe I'm still missing it but idk
@the_wilderless Reminds me of this. Some people are just actually willing to take other people's word for how things are even when it goes against their own senses (schools are in part set up to train this tendency)
@the_wilderless @puheenix I once had an encounter with somebody who had a weird vibe, and he told me this complex backstory about his narcissistic tendencies, and I was paying really close attention and listening to my body, and I didn't take his word for anything but I noticed a sense of "checks out"
@the_wilderless @puheenix Of course the trust I felt when it checked out didn't actually cause me to trust him particularly much as someone to have close to me in my life, but it did seem like he was representing himself in an honest and self-aware way, as far as I could tell (not eg actually a sociopath)
@erikphoel What % of chronic health issues seem to you to be repressed anger? Are you saying 0% or just saying "definitely not most"?
Retweeted @_jordan_bates
There are infinite possible syntheses of the right-hand and left-hand path. It is possible to beautifully integrate the…
@RichDecibels Rich can have little a flex as a treat
@erikphoel Hmm. I can make sense of it in terms of certain feedback loops in the body, no woo stuff involved... But yeah "most" seems absurd, since most problems have many factors and there's no one root of most problems. Even if a lot of it is repressed emotions, it wouldn't be all anger!
page 4 of Radical Wholeness reminds me of FM Alexander (cc @m_ashcroft)
@pythonandpanda Mmm, I might be down for a call. Still a lot of intensity in my system and a bunch of high-intensity careabouts, so it might be difficult. As I said, I don't know how ready I am to listen, and I don't want you to feel like you got inadvertently signed up to hold space for me
@pythonandpanda I'm tracking various impacts I like: - more egs of ppl attempting to sincerely reason in public without adhering to pc - relief for ppl stuck in a dichotomy of "either I adopt this ideology or I'm a bigot" - counterexample, for those who can look, to their ideology's claims
@pythonandpanda - saying the obvious
@CarnunMP You can frame it that way, but in my experience telling somebody that they're wrong gets in the way of doing depth perception. From one eye's view, my nose is on the left of everything. From the other perspective, the right. Neither is wrong, they're just different views!
@CarnunMP Like I used to think the thing you think ("difference means one of us is wrong"), and then I got this upgrade, which makes interpersonal and internal misunderstandings and conflicts a lot easier to resolve. I recommend trying it on!
@CarnunMP In some sense the actual difference is not about wrong vs missing It's about "difference of opinion" (one or both of which can be wrong) vs "difference of perspective" (which affords depth perception!!)
Thread of reversed movie concepts (by ChatGPT)
@CarnunMP I'm not talking about the tone thing, although that's also an issue. Aware you're a popperian haha. I'm talking about umm like... all you know is what you know, you don't actually know what confusions are in the other person.
Retweeted @nosilverv
U have no idea the impact you can have by just telling people to become who they are at the moment they’re in the superposit…
@Empathy2000 Ooh I'd be curious to read it! Normativity of cultural operating systems is a big theme for me
@CarnunMP Hallucinations are always something specific, not random (maybe unless you straight up have a brain injury) So it's still reality you're experiencing even if attempts to describe it "there's a bear in front of me" don't match others senses.
When you project your parents onto your boss, you are experiencing reality. When you dream, you are also experiencing reality. When you take someone's word for it and they lied or were confused, that is also an experience of reality. You can't point outside of reality.
@giray_arat That's definitely a huge part of it. Though you have to also keep yourself safe from external systems that might actively try to mess you up, like someone else invalidating their view (to defend their own) or attacking your country (to maintain their country's sense of security)
@giray_arat Though also it's unclear to me the paradox has an articulable answer—it might be more of a koan. And insofar as it has and answer, the answer should be self-evident, so to your "did I get it right?" .... impossible for me to say! Either it affords you freedom or doesn't.
Arriving in Toronto I have spontaneously developed a new meditation practice that I call "note big" where you look around at stuff and when you see something big you say "big"
a kiss by any other name would taste as sweet
when I was just a little girl I asked my mother—what will I be? will I be pretty? will I be rich? here's what she said to me: it depends on where in the multiverse you end up in whatever will be, will be observed in this timeline the future's a branching tree que sera, sera
oh lol always being the chased one / target of desire is a way to avoid having to know & own what you want i see i see
Retweeted @the_wilderless
You’re building a pipeline to take someone from depressing materialist “we’re electric meat trapped on a spinning rock…
Retweeted @visakanv
i've been stewing on a bunch of essays about this. there's a cluster of frames in 21st-century-western-civ (and we are all 21…
Thread · Rebranding the Goal-Crafting Intensive as a Beyond Goals workshop
I've been part of running online intentionality workshops for 6+ years, and we're pretty seriously considering rebranding them this year given how much our philosophy & approach has evolved in that time. "Goal-Crafting Intensive" ➔ "Beyond Goals Workshop"? Some reflections:
The workshop centers on "goals". We love how this focus has meant that even as the workshop has started involving partswork and a lot of inner untangling techniques, it keeps things focused on moving towards a positive future, not just fixing yourself.
And actually, we've had a pretty fluid relationship with goals from the outset. No need for "SMART" goals with their Measurable and Time-Bound qualities. This sort of goal is something that everyone has—we might as well get good at it.
And we've recognized that people may want a different focus. If people already have a clear sense of their desired future, we encourage them to focus on whatever blocks are in the way. Or if you're just super overwhelmed, we can help guide triage.
But nonetheless, the name of the workshop and the default structure (1h each on Goal-Setting, Planning, Execution, & Reflection) has given some people a sense that you're "supposed" to be focused on goals, even if you associate the word "goal" with self-coercion & stress.
So we've been exploring a bit of both how we might liberate people more deeply to truly use the 5h of the workshop in whatever way feels most alive to them. We want this to be a container where people learn more wholesome ways of being! 🤩 twitter.com/abhayance/stat…
One idea is to rename the workshop. I like the name Beyond Goals since it still talks about Goals (which themselves can be so liberating for some people) but it also speaks of the limitations that goal-focus can bring.
We're also exploring how we might create more affordances within the workshops for people to really feel into what's right for them and stretch in a direction that feels really good. the appropriate developmental mixture of support & challenge.
We're still really stoked about the overall workshop format, which combines: 📺 videos to inspire/frame 📝 exercises to apply it 🍅 coworking to focus 💬 coaching to unstick (honestly I'd love to see other online courses converted to this workshop format)
So if you want to evolve with us as our workshop evolves, you can come to one of the upcoming sessions in July! It's PWYW (with a $25 deposit), which combined with the open-endedness means it's almost certain to be worth it! intend.do/event/gci?tw=M…
can't spell corporation without coarroption
wtf it looks like twitter (at least on my phone web browser) will no longer let me load someone's profile OR tweet permalink without logging in?!? feels bad might keep me from getting sucked in via links shared tho!