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Exclusivity without a commitment to stay together

12 tweets · February 2024 · 777 likes · 32 retweets · read on Twitter

the invention of "we've committed to be monogamous but we haven't committed to stay together forever" is weird and tbh contractually sus

like implicitly it's "I won't have sex with anybody else while we're still together, but I could break up with you then have sex with someone else and that wouldn't be cheating, but don't worry I won't, but of course we're not ACTUALLY committed for life yet don't be ridiculous"

this prompted by reading the Eliezer "trading up" thing again. the reason it sounds weird (besides exact %s) is because of an equivocation between "committed relationship" as in "committed to exclusivity" and "committed to stay with you"

Eliezer Yudkowsky ⏹️ @ESYudkowsky ·

in a world of greater legibility, romantic partners would have the conversation about "I'd trade up if I found somebody 10%/25%/125% better than you" in advance, and make sure they have common knowledge of the numbers

if death doesn't do you part, a breakup will! either you've actually committed TO STAY TOGETHER (vaguely implicit in eg a bf/gf who move in together but usually totally unstated) or you have no such commitment, which imo IMPLIES you're open to finding someone better

this is based on an assumption I make, that maybe others don't but it seems sort of obvious, which is that most people would be stoked to get married if they trusted that they'd found the best match they were likely to find

and even if I'm wrong (in general or in your case) then I guess like, if you actually think you'd never want to commit to anybody forever... ...then it's a matter of integrity to ensure your current partner knows that and isn't assuming otherwise.

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@JamesClear @eriktorenberg Reminds me of something in this fascinating paper by Werner Erhard about Integrity. It lays out a rigorous definition of integrity for objects, people, and other human entities. Key: expectations of you include not just explicit ones but any you allow wernererhard.com/integrity_pape…

anyway, I guess it's not really surprising that people gravitate towards this weird attractor in the context of being a new weird species with sex-related pair-bonding instincts plus birth control

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

few realize this, but the human species has different sexes, biologically, than it did before hormonal birth control and we're still at the very early stages of adapting to the impacts of that

I find myself second guessing my top tweet because idk, a company can make demands while you're there but then not after you leave, that's a fine contract but I do feel like romantically-emotionally, ppl do be implicitly promising each other forever while explicitly not doing so

as also evidenced by the fact that people in non-marriage not-committed-for-life romantic relationships totally DO feel betrayed if their partner leaves for someone else! not merely sad, etc, but betrayed

hmmm I bet the implicit promise to be together forever is something that's happening on an unconscious handshake level

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

dysfunctional dynamics, particularly reality distortion fields, arise when someone makes an implicit promise to meet a need of someone else's that the person isn't even willing to consciously acknowledge ( = my attempt at a 1-tweet summary of @CurziRose's handshake theory 👇) twitter.com/CurziRose/stat…

guessing these ersatz romantic promises are largely about filling attachment holes, which are the sorts of things that ARE supposed to be filled forever, not temporarily (insert long tangent about carrying Mother's Love with you forever in your heart)

so many relationship problems are caused by the accidental porting of courting norms to marriages and marriage norms to courtship VIA the brand-new messy invention of "dating indefinitely but not forever"

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

the invention of "we've committed to be monogamous but we haven't committed to stay together forever" is weird and tbh contractually sus