Replying to @cosimia_
@cosimia_ These folks claim to be. thecorrespondent.com Who knows how it will turn out. Upworthy was started by Eli Parisier to break people out of filter bubbles and we all know how well that worked.
February 2019
@MikaelThalen @samleecole @motherboard In the middle of your article is "Facial Recognition for Porn is a Privacy Nightmare Waiting to Happen" which makes me think "I wonder if any upcoming pornstars will use deepfakes to swap in a fake face for all of their vids..."
Just did a workout. ("Kratos" Bodyweight HIT by @DrewBaye if you're curious) I've been working out more since New Year's—Resolution? Not exactly. Instead I went right to the source. What do I really want? I want to be moving my body in ways that are challenging &/ delightful.
So then, having gotten clear on that, I decided that I would. That no form of busyness or other constraints were worth compromising on that. (Even if sick or injured, I would want to challenge my other body parts or do lots of therapeutic movement).
Doing a Kratos workout 3× a week is my fallback, but I've also been doing acroyoga, rock climbing, and ecstatic dance. I'm not worried about any particular frequency or precise protocol, although my spreadsheet does have a color indicator (at top) of days between major exercise.
So this week had a large gap, b/c acro was cancelled monday & the evening went weird & I didn't do Kratos, and then I got confused about scheduling a climbing class and then it got cancelled today, but no worries! Kratos today it is. Or whatever resonates with the deep purpose.
For Feb, I'll continue this integrity practice with movement & embodiment, and extend it to sleep as well, which primarily involves being consistent with going to bed & napping (I keep a biphasic schedule), and not doing extraneous things prior to either. On which note: g'night!
January: Move Fast And Break Things February: Pull Hair And Fix Things
@SavedYouAClick Oh man I independently invented this a few months ago after reading instructions on a baguette package that said to get it wet before reheating to soften it. (My version is on a rack above a tray in a toaster over, with a little water in the tray.)
Replying to @abstractionCULT
@visakanv Have you seen Weird Twitter with a capital W? Surely you've seen Weird Twitter with a capital W. It's its whole own thing.
Thread · Asking what your attention feeds and incentivizes · 3 of 5 tweets
With everything you do, ask yourself: What am I feeding? What am I incentivising? What am I adding energy to by paying attention to it? It's not always obvious. It requires learning to ignore what you don't want & exalt what you do want.
Related:
To take Visa's excellent example: If you're a person who is reading this tweet & currently has a habit of saying "say her name, newsorg" ➡️every time you would do that, instead, find another newsorg covering that story WITH her name and RT that. (& maybe block/mute 1st newsorg)
@visakanv I learn from you ;)
@visakanv Re: deeply intertwingled uses of twitter, I've been musing for 1-2y about wanting to build a better twitter client (that might eventually try to become its own thing, although network fx) that would natively support some of the interlinking stuff you do. Let's talk sometime.
This isn't just on huge internet scales too. It's also in small in-person interactions. Who & what do I pay attention to? It's also just in your own mind. Which thoughts do you bother writing down? Which idle curiosities do you end up looking up? These compound.
@belgianadian @visakanv I haven't been there in years, so I wouldn't know where to start. But make sure to take this: it's dangerous to go alone.
Replying to @anildash
@anildash Meanwhile I once dressed like this for an interview for a job as Software Ninja.
@wminshew Have you checked out @visakanv? He's a serious rhizomatist. Example:
@visakanv @wminshew Tagging @conaw, who is looking for more people with a rhizomatic tweet style to test out an integration he's building between twitter and his knowledge-management app.
@swhitla @Cybersal I am very curious who you all are and what your relationship is to each other, because this exchange sounds strikingly similar to the kind I might have with some people I'm working with...
@swhitla @reasonisfun Huh, cool! Yeah, definitely need some top-right stuff, pronto. I'm not sure if it'll be compromise though. That implies the limit being along that curve, but what if it were actually just all the way top and all the way right? I think the challenge is more about facing fears.
@swhitla @reasonisfun What exactly are the fears? Hmm Maybe we could call y-axis "subjectivity" & x-axis "objectivity" and then just yeah: we need both. But if you can't hang onto one of the axes, then you're kind of adrift, floating in a sea of meaning. Then see @meaningness meaningness.com/fluidity-desid…
right makes might makes might makes right
beauty is in the mouth of the beholder
Running some Complice stats today and discovered that on January 14th of this year, the total number of completed tasks by all users hit 1 million. Fascinating trying to fathom that.
The perennial question: ...what now?
@i_amm_nobody @GRITCULT @threadreaderapp @kriskarzy @conaw you'll want to see this, and potentially to talk with @GRITCULT about what you're building
Retweeted @GRITCULT
Amplifying offer to create a Twitter add on. I know some of my followers will be interested in making the product. But agre…
Thread · Missing backlinks on Twitter and getting lost in the rhizome
Wrote in my notes: "what is next? that feels like one of the main questions." and recalled I'd tweeted basically the same thing last night. Went to twitter to see if it had interactions...
No interactions. Whatever. Getting the juices flowing. Now on twitter, click on my notifications and oh! much more important: @i_amm_nobody replying to me with an embed to an earlier @i_amm_nobody reply to @GRITCULT
On its own, the above tweet embed will (I think) just render as another url. This is pure structure. And yet it's not just 301 redirects. It matters that I linked you to this particular locus in the rhizome, not the once-dereferenced version.
This whole thing is a total mess though, in part because synthesis is very hard, and in part because there's no easy way to see which tweets are linked elsewhere. So you can go deeper down the rabbit hole into the past & the sources, but there isn't a button to jump UP. ☁️
You can search the url of the tweet and find references, but you have to know to search it, and it's still cumbersome. This tweet, this very tweet, could be referenced a thousand times in other tweets and you'd never know to look at it. But that changes the context!
I have no idea why Twitter doesn't add such a feature. Okay, fine, I do 🙃Maybe it's political stuff re "subtweeting". Maybe it would be a tipping point of too-much-complexity for most (particularly new) users Maybe they *want* you to get lost. Maybe it's good for selling ads.
There's the Gruen Effect, which talks about this in the context of malls. > "The Gruen transfer is a psychological phenomenon in which an idealized hyper-reality is realized by deliberate reconstruction, providing a sense of safety and calm through exceptional familiarity."
Wow, check out that description. Surreal. Could probably apply to twitter. (I notice as I'm saying "Wow" that my body & facial expression appear relatively neutral, as they were a few minutes ago. This created a question of "is my wow authentic?" ... & I'll just leave this here)
That desc also reminds me of @vgr's Future Nauseous & normalcy field concepts. Twitter is like a commercial airplane. It's capable of incredible shared-meaning-making possibilities; due to general pressures, reins itself in to avoid people getting queasy. ribbonfarm.com/2012/05/09/wel…
This thread is exceedingly meta-since the original @GRITCULT / @i_amm_nobody threads linked were about this concept for a better interface for twitter that I've had. My interest in that continues growing as I think about it more and user twitter more.
And yet, I'm not quite at this point shifting gears to work on it myself full time. What am I doing, with today, even? Which brings us back to
Thread · Erik Olin Wright and seeing the utopias already present · 8 of 9 tweets
Reading this @ConversationCA article on the late Erik Olin Wright & his vision for real utopias. Dual meaning of "vision" here. 👁️👁️ His remarkable VISION includes not just seeing future socialist utopias, but existence of such within the present. theconversation.com/envisioning-re…
I'm noting that his book is called "Envisioning Real Utopias" and feeling pretty confident that he was deliberately using this dual meaning of the word "vision". How do we get better at seeing what is already here? What's already working?
It's important to point out the extent to which we don't do this by default...
...and the extent to which it makes a difference
This approach of seeing and exalting what is already in line with the longer-term vision, connects with this abstract "Towards a Concept of Normative Incrementalism: One Prospect for Purposeful Non-synoptic Change In Highly Fragmented Social Systems" repository.upenn.edu/dissertations/…
The connection there is that by seeing what is so and nurturing it to grow more of what you want, you avoid conflict with parties who would feel defensive if you were to issue a critique of what you *don't* like about the status quo. "Non-synoptic" means "not shared view" btw 👁️
What originally brought me to twitter though was a remarkable parallel between two quotations, the first from the @ConversationUS article about Erik Olin Wright, and the second from an article by @MicheleZanini & @ProfHamel where they quote the CFO of the Chinese company Haier:
"In the case of Wikipedia, one finds highly collaborative practices between a core of paid employees and volunteers." “The border of the company is not important. If you can help create value for users, it shouldn’t matter whether you’re an employee or not.”
Retweeted @vgr
Appreciate people responding with what they think are realistic ideas, whether they are or not. It's a start. To stay grounded, I'…
A request to all the neologers and neologists out there: can we get some new English words that rhyme with "life", beyond "knife" and "strife" and "wife"?
Replying to @cosimia_
@cosimia_ Is nutritional science actually good yet? It was clearly bullshit for many decades. I'm looking forward to a version that's actually good, but afaik this doesn't exist yet. (Tho it seems some good stuff emerging about microbiota & complex systems.) (See meaningness.com/nutrition)
Replying to @KhazWolf
@KhazWolf @briandavidearp Anecdotally there seems to be solid correlations between people endorsing negative utilitarianism and being Depressed. NU is basically what happens when you let a Depressed brain do ethics from math. (All of this not to mention the vital suffering/pain distinction)
@KhazWolf @briandavidearp (BTW if someone wants to do an actual study on this I think it would be a thing absolutely worth studying. People think they're being objective and they're so affected by their own state of mind. @algekalipso has lots of thots on this)
@visakanv live : jive :: life : jife
Seriously, I bet the number of times that the word "strife" has been used in poems & songs, compared with the number of times it would have been used if bife, mife, tife, pife, vife, and gife were all common words, is probably a ratio of like 10:1.
Also @HankGreen basically won this forever: Yes it's true that I once went through life as a guy who always had to rhyme "life" with "strife" youtube.com/watch?v=9t7E4a…
(Starts at :35 - I thought I had linked straight there but apparently the ?t= thing only works with the shortened urls, so try this: youtu.be/9t7E4amWDqI?t=…)
@scott_moyer *points at the word "new" in my original tweet* If rife and fife were workable, people wouldn't be using "strife" so much.
@str____9____up Oooh yes I like this. Lots of words ending in "ive", so we just need a schema for converting them to "ife" words. relife: the experience of reliving something gife: an act of giving
Retweeted @cosimia_
The mid life crisis makes no sense to me You mean to say you only seriously reconsidered your place in the universe & the ap…
Replying to @cosimia_
@cosimia_ @CapriThaVillin @ebspncr mid-afternoon crisis, err'day
Replying to @MimeticValue
@MimeticValue I really like this article, that frames IQ as a measure of "The Desire To Pass Tests" hotelconcierge.tumblr.com/post/113360634…
@visakanv I think a more realistic version would be something like "does a kid wait until the sap boils down into maple syrup or do they just drink the sap?" If they understand how the boiler works, there's no trust in authority, and there's no tester, just a situation in which to choose.
@ebspncr @cosimia_ @CapriThaVillin I take a nap every day, just in case. malcolmocean.com/2016/04/polyph…
@visakanv Also if someone reading this thread hasn't read this article on this, I highly recommend it: hotelconcierge.tumblr.com/post/113360634…
@Meaningness I personally would probably choose based on context, using no-hyphen only if I'm expecting that everyone reading it is already familiar with the term. But it seems like my workflowy has ~15 mentions of "meta-rationality" and zero of "metarationality", so...
Replying to @MimeticValue
@MimeticValue @NielsKnk ...and mothafuckas act like they forgot about strife
@unfinishthought You can kind of do it with search, with lots of limitations. Interestingly, this seems to roughly sort by popularity even though the threshold is just "minimum 2 retweets" twitter.com/search?q=from%…
@arundelo I didn't get any when I put in min_retweets:3 for myself, even though I do have some tweets with more than 3 retweets. Not sure wtf the algo is doing.
"savory" is the "non-REM" of flavors
Replying to @bradheintz
@bradheintz @GretchenAMcC "A Manglage of Language" would be an amazing title for something. (A book? A podcast? A blog? A neologism workshop?)
@visakanv Oh man, I've been thinking about this a lot lately. "More" probably depends on the person, but I think it generalizes that these are surprisingly different desires, compared to how similar they look. (And "more" might be true in >50%, even >90% of cases)
Replying to @Aella_Girl
@Aella_Girl Ha! This answered a question I had been puzzling over for some time: what to do instead of checking these webcomics I'm bored of? I ordered a desktop zen calendar (same one, turns out!) and now I look at that every day instead. The student was enlightened.
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@Aella_Girl Ha! This answered a question I had been puzzling over for some time: what to do instead of checking these we…
@micahtredding I'm under a rock, maybe? Can you link me to the relevant recent Apple marketing?
@bradheintz @GretchenAMcC One of my friends used the word "wranglage" last night, also in reference to language.
@GretchenAMcC with no japanese to use to write this haiku what's a morae?
@micahtredding Ah yep, makes sense. I was hoping for similar epic videos as the 1984 one, but yes, reality will suffice.
@utotranslucence ☝ My team calls this "100% co-responsibility". There's no 50/50, or 70/30. Nothing to divvy up. *Everyone* has full response-ability for their choices in the situation. (& in our experience this flows better when not framed in terms of "in the wrong", for various reasons.)
“When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” ― C.S. Lewis
I periodically come across TikTok vids, and I keep thinking that the duet format etc could be used to make all sorts of novel and beautiful stuff, but when I've tried searching for compilations, it's 98%+ copycats and/or ppl making fun of each other. Anyone know a better source?
Retweeted @noididntreadit
Notes on Towards being purpose-driven without fighting myself by @Malcolm_Ocean malcolmocean.com/2017/06/toward…
@reasonisfun I'd be very interested to hear your perspective on the book The Guru Papers, which talks about the structural factors that lead to cults being culty, even if they don't set out to be (& connects it with parental authoritarianism too) Up there with these:
@devonzuegel Behavior: The Control of Perception by William. T. Powers. Although less about the author and more about the model, I guess. I haven't bought everything by him but immediately bought like 6 other books (some by him) about PCT.
Retweeted @visakanv
seriously? I am the first? ok, let me be the first person to say it samsara ooda loop
@SomethingOkHere (I assume that you were waiting for me to reply to this tweet, thereby generating the lock screen notification you needed in order to shift your attention not just back-to-Twitter but back-to-this-thread)
@devonzuegel Huh, some of these quotes feel like they resonate with something deep in me about why I've been a little nervous to build a Google Calendar integration into complice.co I have the sense of Complice being a rather improvisational system; maybe this would reduce that
@devonzuegel To be clear, there are multiple kinds of integration, and some are likely to *aid* improv. Like I'm not inclined to try to build a day-scheduler in. But being able to think about "What do I want to focus on today? in Complice would be aided by having reference to one's calendar.
Retweeted @devonzuegel
Thought-provoking piece about SV's "temporal accounting" practices. 50% of it resonated deeply with my personal experienc…
@kevinakwok @devonzuegel Ahh, found it here:
Who’s in the room? (from seths.blog/2019/02/whos-i…, although this image is the whole post)
@dthorson What pops into my head involves a multi-track harmonious sound similar to the effect @ImogenHeap uses on Hide & Seek, saying something about emergence. No idea if that's your aesthetic or if I'd even recommend it after a few more minutes of thought, but thought I'd share it :)
@dthorson @imogenheap 😂I've sung that song a hundred times and didn't even think about the words today. But yeah, totally. Anyway, apparently I'm in the kind of mood where my next move after my tweet above was to make this 4 second clip: soundcloud.com/malcolmocean/e…
Replying to @cosimia_
@cosimia_ Yes, although choice is inalienable however free you are or aren't. Orienting from fear is what creates anxiety, not freedom. The primacy of this fear causes people to restrict their freedom, externally and internally, to ignore choice & ∴ avoid feeling that anxiety.
Retweeted @dthorson
Anyone want to help me create an 'intro' for the Emerge podcast? I'd love to work with somebody who feels excited to collabor…
@OortCloudAtlas @matthewclifford @dthorson @jmrphy This accelerationism philosophy makes total sense!... if you forget the part where reality is allowed to kill you (even if you do everything "right"). lesswrong.com/posts/fLRPeXih…
@cognazor @utotranslucence @dthorson That, & also one thing I've deeply appreciated about the Emerge podcast is that it sometimes has upwards of 5 seconds of pure silence. Antithesis of normal radio norms & of youtube jumpcuts, which adds to why it feels so new and fresh. Breathe.
@dthorson @nickjankel Love this (at 33mins) - "There have been times when I've actually... not shared interviews that I've done, because I didn't want to amplify some of the underlying dynamics that were part of that conversation."
@dthorson @imogenheap I'm also imagining that, say in an intro similar to the one I mocked up, you could overlay the weird sounds at the ends with clips taken from various episodes of people saying phrases like "contemplative practice" and "metamodernity" and "liminal space" and "memetic mediators"...
@utotranslucence @dthorson @imogenheap You know, irony and sincerity 😜 When I posted my audio clip, I had to restrain myself from describing it as silly, because on one level it was but I didn't want to hypermodestly undermine the sense in which I was sincerely trying to point at something cool.
@utotranslucence @dthorson @imogenheap As for the clips thing being satirical, it was mostly inspired by how the Tim Ferriss Show intro starts with someone saying "Optimal, Minimal" and then a clip of someone saying "At this altitude I can run flat out for a half-mile before my hands start shaking" Evokes something.
@visakanv First one that comes to mind is John Nerst @everytstudies, to expand his work on erisology (the study of discord/disagreement/etc)
@SarahAMcManus Yes!
@visakanv I'd be very curious to hear how it's gone for you as a general strategy. Tips for other men who want to try it. Etc.
@visakanv Right. And you've mostly tried this online? (based on reaction remark) Certainly seems... safer.
Practice being weird when the stakes are low so you'll be ready when it counts.
Retweeted @visakanv
To me, school today is like medicine before people learned about germ theory and hand-washing. Creative souls die every day a…
@micahtredding Your thread, at this time, prompted me to have a brilliant idea (that I'm sure a dozen other people have already had) Someone could launch a new truly-open-ended CYOA system based on @OpenAI's GPT-2 text completion software.
Replying to @minobenjo
@SlaytonBenjamin @visakanv @everytstudies Umm what?
@SlaytonBenjamin @visakanv @everytstudies Oh I see what you did there.
Retweeted @fortelabs
The best motivation to write an in-depth blog post is to never have to answer the same question again. Being able to respond…
If you don't have anything nice to say... ...ask yourself, "how did I get myself into this situation where I don't have anything nice to say?"
@fortelabs Not if you assume there are multiple dimensions of happiness. I think maximizing any one narrow dimension is going to miss the point. (cf Goodhart's Law: once a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure)
Retweeted @utotranslucence
broke: ‘Is this true?’ woke: ‘In what ways might this be true?’
@utotranslucence I started with "Is this true?" and usually hang out in "In what ways might this be true?" and on the way there I passed through "to what extent is this true?"
@Meaningness Reminds me of a piece from Our Own Metaphor, about "the people who can learn from books—those given to testing generalizations against examples they themselves construct and thus experiencing their truth at a deeper level instead of accepting it on authority"
@Meaningness This seems to be something that I do, and (like most things like this) it hadn't occurred to me that most people *didn't* do it. Had an "aha" sense reading this.
Replying to @ryn__x
@context_ing @Meaningness security mindset for memes "what holes in my thinking will adopting this meme produce?" "will it compromise my values?"
@utotranslucence @virsamarvir @eriktorenberg @rabois @LambdaSchool @ScottAdamsSays I think you can literally do the same thing. I've had good success from sitting on my meditation cushion before working and just spending a few minutes feeling into my sense of purpose. Sometimes with a clear plan of what to work on, other times I let that emerge while sitting.
@visakanv Deliberate rhizoming!
@fortelabs Not sure where SaaS subscription fits into here but I clicked "By outcome" because that seemed closest.
People talk a lot about willpower, but not that often about willenergy and willforce. Willpower is the rate of willenergy use per unit time. Willenergy is the product of willforce & distance. Willforce is what's require to overcome internal friction.
@Meaningness @slatestarcodex Tagging @peternlimberg who wrote an article on Memetic Tribes & Culture War 2.0, and @cognazor who has been doing a bunch of thinking about the memetic mediator concept in Peter's article. This article reinforces my sense that memetic mediation will start in less-public contexts.
@Meaningness Brilliantly executed humblebrag 😂 @Meaningness is admitting that everything he has to admit is: • he doesn't like truffles • he'd been thinking he should like sophisticated stuff
@fieryfalliblist @spearofsolomon @HardcoreHistory ...21st century democracy has a serious case of distorted feedback loops. (Not a new thought, but this tweet got me in touch with the feeling again and I wanted to share it.)
Replying to @utotranslucence
Retweeted @devonzuegel
What if we had Income Share Agreements (ISAs) with our friends?
Retweeted @devonzuegel
The idea is that it would reward collaboration more explicitly. For instance, if a friend is writing an essay, you may al…
@dthorson Mmm, I've been curious how this was going for you! (Aware of the transition from listening to Emerge) Glad to see this update, include the context of why you left 3y ago
Thread 👇 twitter.com/www_ora_tion_c…
"If you feel so called, you can and should begin the only place you ever could begin: right where you are. First with yourself. Then with those who feel called to gather in this journey." ift.tt/2NrhJPm
@mirandughh 😂Although reading about neuroplasticity I recently saw something about how way fewer human neurons are myelinated than in most animals, which is basically the neurological way to say that humans are better at learning new things. (& within a species, young are less myelinated)
@mirandughh (This is a tradeoff, ofc. Myelination makes neural pathways more efficient but harder to change. Super awesome to optimize running the same patterns all day every day; less awesome if you're needing to constantly restructure your thinking to navigate a changing culture.)
bootstrapping young lad
@JamesClear @eriktorenberg Reminds me of something in this fascinating paper by Werner Erhard about Integrity. It lays out a rigorous definition of integrity for objects, people, and other human entities. Key: expectations of you include not just explicit ones but any you allow wernererhard.com/integrity_pape…
@JamesClear @eriktorenberg What's so cool about this model is it's 100% descriptive. Doesn't say "you should do this; if you don't, you're bad & you should feel bad & others should blame you". It just says: if you want to have workable relationships, don't let people expect things of you then not do them
@JamesClear @eriktorenberg I haven't read the whole thing but Appendix 2 is gold.
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@JamesClear @eriktorenberg Reminds me of something in this fascinating paper by Werner Erhard about Integrity. It lays o…
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@JamesClear @eriktorenberg What's so cool about this model is it's 100% descriptive. Doesn't say "you should do this; if…
@davidmanheim @reasonisfun @DavidDeutschOxf I think the point that Lulie's making is that such change is downstream of something else. One doesn't simply "make oneself believe in God." One first (usually) starts dating someone who believes in God, and *then* it makes sense to believe, oneself.
@davidmanheim @reasonisfun @DavidDeutschOxf In other words, if you could simply perform the act "believe X", then you already would be doing so. (This is true for many actions, not just belief. Most things you do, particularly habits, are downstream of something, and those generators will resist arbitrary change.) #PCT
@reasonisfun I like the way Alfred Korzybski (of "The map is not the territory" fame) puts this: There's no clear distinction between thinking and feeling. Both are part of a more general process he calls "semantic reactions".
@reasonisfun (I'm not yet sure if his switch from a verb (tho ~gerund) to a noun is critical. I'm generally in the "verb everything" camp but it might be that he's trying to point at something important. The structure of language matters more than vocab, so that wouldn't be surprising.)
@reasonisfun ...the challenge with this though is that "I'm having a semantic reaction of" is just soo cumbersome compared to "I think" that it's really hard to adopt this terminology even though I really really like it. "I'm semantic-reacting"? Can we come up with a new word? #neologisms
@FogleBird @MLE_Online I'd love to see this for hexagonal/triangular tesselations. (Or, for that matter, on a ball with each center at the point of an icosahedron... or some hyperbolic surface, but those would be much harder to visualize & code.)
To the epic-rhizomatists of twitter (@visakanv, @GRITCULT, @i_amm_nobody, <your name here>) Tips for re-finding my old tweets to embed in later tweetstorms & replies?
Sthg I'm particularly excited about is how sometimes my thoughts most naturally emerge as replies to other people, but then later I might be able to use those tweets in other contexts. I love the idea of a single utterance (tweet) being able to be a response to multiple things.
@noididntreadit And I guess in particular what I like is not just being able to respond with nathan_fillion.gif a hundred times, but that people can then click through and find the context of the original utterance. Bespoke memetic networks, not mass-market memes.
Retweeted @FluidFluxation
A @Twitter feature that allows you to disavow a former tweet, without deleting it. When people view the disavowed twee…
Who gets to say? And who gets to say who gets to say? (these questions are important to everything, and usually go unasked)
My impression is that these questions are one major thing that becomes more consciously-held, fluid, and contextual in the shift from what Spiral Dynamics calls Tier 1 (including traditionalism, modernism, postmodernism) to Tier 2 (metamodernism & beyond)
Green - everyone gets to say Orange - science gets to say Blue - the church gets to say Red - the king gets to say And maybe that Tier 2 also involves allowing for there to be different answers to the object-level & meta-lvl questions: sometimes I get to say that you get to say.
Thread · Why fear-based motivation can't be aimed · 7 of 11 tweets
Replying to @cosimia_
@cosimia_ > difference between negative and positive motivation? Have thought lots about this. Seems there is, both inherently to any feedback system and specifics to human psychology implementation. It's adaptive for fear to overpower desire: those who don't flee don't survive.
@cosimia_ This makes sense when dealing with real acute danger, but for some time now* humans have been living in tense states of chronic fear. Due to the power differential ☝ between fear & desire, this makes desire-based motivation hard to tap *(I've updated a few times about how long)
@cosimia_ It seems that if people can narrow their view sufficiently, they can sometimes do it for short periods. Sex or food, for instance. But trying to really think about the question "what do I want" quickly reveals that many people have no idea and are afraid to consider it.
@cosimia_ Very related:
@cosimia_ Part of the issue is (and this is why I say positive vs negative motivation are different in all systems) you can't AIM awayness based motivation. In 1-dimensional systems, this is fine because there's no aiming to do (as long as you don't go past the repulsor)
@cosimia_ But in 2D, you can already see that "away" is basically everywhere. Whereas with towardsness, you can hone in. As the # of dimensions gets large (and it's huge for most interesting things) the relative usefulness of awayness feedback gets tiny.
@cosimia_ Talked with @Conaw last fall and he pointed out that this is why role models are so important. It's not enough to have a sense of which behaviors will get you punished (btw: reward is just the temporary relief of punishment). You need to have a multi-dimensional destination.
Thread · Static societies, the Enlightenment, and modern double-binds
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@cosimia_ Structure of society. @DavidDeutschOxf outlines this brilliantly in some of the last chapters of his book The Beginning of Infinity. Human prehistory is a story of increasingly powerful creativity being used to maintain totally static societies. amzn.to/2BUGmPC
@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf This emerged evolutionarily because it was an attractor: once your society forces you to not innovate, your society stays static because nobody has the space to experiment & change it into a dynamic society. And, unfortunately, this required repression of human desire.
@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf My model (building on DD's) is that for some more recent period, it's been even worse. Previously there was a narrow range of okay behaviors. Might suck but at least you can do it. Then there started to be double-binds: conflicting demands that you can't meet all at once.
@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf DD describes how the Enlightenment began a shift to a dynamic society that updates its shared beliefs and practices (ie memes) based on what works and holds up under reflection, rather than insisting that they not change under any circumstances.
@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf My model is that this situation has made the double-binds even more messy, because people are trying to use the old mode of thinking to install the new one. eg "I shouldn't say "should"." (I'm full-time in a social lab oriented to how to train this thinking/culture shift.)
@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf Or "you should think independently". Or trying to train children to be creative in environments that systematically destroy creativity. Double-binds are crazy-making, and so while this is getting better in some places, it's getting worse in others.
Thread · Why fear-based motivation can't be aimed · 1 of 11 tweets
@cosimia_ @Conaw "reward is just the temporary relief of punishment" might surprise; it connects with my remark at the top that most humans are in chronic fear. Reward represents temporary relief of that fear: don't worry, you're okay, you did the right thing—this time. Implicit threat.
@visakanv Btw, if/when you do this with me, make sure to do Tweets With Replies, as most of my highest quality content seems to come out in replies to other people.
Thread · Why fear-based motivation can't be aimed · 3 of 11 tweets
@cosimia_ @Conaw ⚠Important⚠ Not all consequences are rewards/punishments. If you're trying to catch the bus and you make it (or miss it) that's not a reward (or punishment). (This confusion is common, which is making me think just now that it must be part of the pattern, not a coincidence.)
@cosimia_ @Conaw While I'm at it: not all FEEDBACK 🔃 is reward/punishment either. You can choose to interpret everything you experience as reward & punishment, or nothing. Both are coherent. (The latter ≠ being oblivious to fact "this person is trying to punish me"; means not internalizing)
@cosimia_ @Conaw Btw: "positive" & "negative" are confusing words. Common mapping is: ➕positive ~= desire ➖negative ~= fear (& disgust, etc) but in control systems... ➕"positive" feedback ~= fear. "I need to increase this gap" ➖"negative" feedback ~= desire. "I need to close this gap"
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@cosimia_ (In case it's not clear, my use of desire & fear = shorthand for any sort of "towardsness" & "awayness" experiences, whether thoughts or feelings.) Emotion-wise: towardsness includes desire, lust, curiosity, beauty, play, 😋 awayness includes fear, disgust, contempt, anger, 😨
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@cosimia_ @DavidDeutschOxf > why havent i bought it already twitter.com/cosimia_/statu…
@cosimia_ (This multi-person tweetstorm is a total mess, but I want this tweet ☝ to also link to this one 👇)
Thread · Steering with attractors versus repulsors across dimensions · 4 of 6 tweets
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@cosimia_ @Conaw Imagine trying to steer someone to stop in one exact spot. You can place a ❤ beacon they'll move towards, or a ☠beacon they'll move away from. (Reverse for goths) In a hallway, you can trap them in the middle of two ☠☠, or just put the ❤in the exact spot.
@cosimia_ @Conaw In an open field, you can maybe trap them in the middle of a bunch of ☠☠☠☠s, but that'll be hard because if you try to make a circle of ☠ they'll avoid it. Or, you can just put the ❤ in the exact spot.
@cosimia_ @Conaw For three dimensions, consider a helicopter or bird or some situation where there's a height dimension as well. Now the ☠-based orientation is even harder, but with the ❤ you still just need one beacon for them to hone in on it.
@cosimia_ @Conaw In a large space, the ☠might be helpful to eliminate dead ends, but you still need a ❤ to hone in on an exact spot with any accuracy. (Also my choice of symbols was a little weird. Didn't think this thru. Gotta go, actually! Enjoyed this tweet-exchange!)
@Prigoose I have something for a similar purpose, just with css styles: userstyles.org/styles/169451/… It seems to me like what you'd want to do in your case is block twitter.com but not twitter.com/i/notifications (which unfortch might not be compatible with my style)
@Prigoose And yes of course they want to send you to your feed. iirc (I use adblockers) the feed is the only place with paid tweets. (Although some other pages have paid "follow me" prompts) Twitter would be so amazing if not built on an ads model. I have a pipedream to build such a thing
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
There are so many weird corners of twitter, so few steps away from (my) normal. It seems to be a kind of hyperbolic spa…
@Prigoose Here's a relevant tweet that's part of a chain that links to my thoughts on the subject:
@Prigoose What? 😮 On what platform?
@Prigoose 🤔Works fine on Chrome for me. I don't get a redirect. I need to go to bed so I can't help you troubleshoot more atm. Ah! My guess is that you typed in twitter.com/#tweetonly instead of twitter.com/?tweetonly - the ? makes a difference.
@visakanv Gonna connect this thread with this other one, that @visakanv created a *different* link with (going in the other direction). Would love to be able to easily map this out but hwa.
I made a little magical word, "hwa", that compresses the three words "here we are", to invoke acceptance of the present situation and get out of justification & regret. malcolmocean.com/2018/01/dispel…
I've written extensively about regret (and how it's kind of fundamentally crazy) here: (Based on what people have told me, this is the most powerful piece of writing I've yet published. multiple 🤯 experiences.) malcolmocean.com/2017/11/transc…
And if this is going to be a thread about my posts on regret, I might as well include Nothing Is Behind, which is saying the same thing in different ways (and more applied to productivity or goal-setting). malcolmocean.com/2019/01/nothin…
@visakanv (If you're like "What's 'hwa'?")
@cognazor Mmmm. Another one that emerged for me is sort of a snowclone of Walt Whitman's famous: Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself; (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Simply: Did I just lose $100? Very well then I just lost $100 Asking and accepting.
@Evolving_Ego I love how this is a fractal and how that leaves a big question mark about who anyone thinks they themselves are.
@visakanv @fortelabs I've thought about this before when sitting in a conversation. I often find it much easier to speak than not speak, or easier to fidget than not fidget. I think for most people, a lot of what they do every day essentially falls in this category (VV's "going with the flow")
@hvasquez @fortelabs More generally, people generally find reflexively answering a question easier than not answering it. This is counterproductive not just when being interrogated but also just when people are asking you irrelevant or uncontextualized questions. ribbonfarm.com/2017/08/10/que…
Thread · Asking what your attention feeds and incentivizes · 1 of 5 tweets
Related, this excellent thread by @ncasenmare on free speech twitter.com/ncasenmare/sta…
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@RobertWanalo @NoraBateson @EmergePodcast I was like "Ooh there's a twitter account for Emerge!" but then I realized that it's actually a different podcast than @dthorson's