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Why ethical models should disambiguate psychopaths from everyone else

7 tweets · August 2021 · 51 likes · 1 retweets · read on Twitter

a lot of confusions about human nature & ethics are caused by not disambiguating sociopaths and non-sociopaths send tweet

ahh I meant "psychopaths", insofar as this table is pointing at a difference:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@visakanv oh shit, maybe I mean psychopaths I thought last time I looked this up the source said they were the same but now I'm getting a clear and important distinction verywellmind.com/what-is-a-soci…

fwiw, unlike various other people I don't think that trying to blame or eliminate psychopaths is a desirable nor viable strategy turns into a witchhunt, which will probably end up finding other scapegoats than the ones it seeks

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@vgr from Carse's Finite & Infinite Games: > Evil is the termination of infinite play... to eliminate the play of another regardless of the rules. > Evil is never intended as evil. Indeed, the contradiction inherent in all evil is that it originates in the desire to eliminate evil.

I don't know what trust looks like with people who don't have empathy built-in. I don't know what win-wins look like. ...but I have no reason to think they don't exist! (on the gripping hand, to be clear: I've no reason to prioritize doing trust-building with sociopaths atm)

To be clear, my original tweet is not just about philosophies, but also about implicit models that affect peoples' behavior! (there's a whole great thread here)

Visakan Veerasamy @visakanv ·

The mere presence of bad actors causes decent actors to be unfortunately-yet-understandably suspicious of each other

meanwhile, if we designed systems that worked better for psychopaths, they might actually work better for everyone psychopaths are notoriously not motivated by punishment but it's nigh-impossible to steer *anything* by punishment! yet we still use it

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@cosimia_ Part of the issue is (and this is why I say positive vs negative motivation are different in all systems) you can't AIM awayness based motivation. In 1-dimensional systems, this is fine because there's no aiming to do (as long as you don't go past the repulsor)

Relevant:

huanwin @HuanWin ·

TLP was right all along. youarenotsosmart.com/2021/05/18/yan…