gonna start calling things I don't like "problematogenic"
August 2021
@AskYatharth Leonard Cohen Jason Mraz
@jgarzik @jonst0kes yeah ideal might be if you were able to hell-ban people within the context of your own tweets they could still try to reply and start shit but as long as you were the top-level tweet nobody else would even see their stuff that could have other issues tho
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa with you on "not quite yet but time to start thinking about it" the time will be when you know what the right next one is, probably
@Nsousanis getting some alex grey vibes here into it
@Nsousanis (you might find his whole Progress of the Soul series inspirational, depending on what you're working on) alexgrey.com/art/paintings/…
@RichDecibels @natural_hazard @Morphenius @edelwax @emmibevensee finally had the chance to go through it very different frame from where I'm coming from, but I can parse it I think broadly appreciating the nuanced considerations it gives to complex stuff
I now have custom @RoamResearch favicons! so I can tell at a glance by more than just positioning which of my way-too-many graphs are which 🤩 (if you're on a graph with me, you may find there's now a {{[[roam/js]]}} block you can enable to get the icon)
the code is dead simple: document.querySelector('[rel="shortcut icon"]').href = "URL OF IMAGE YOU JUST UPLOADED INTO YOUR GRAPH"
Retweeted @gptbrooke
Tell me about one of the most profound moments of human kindness you've ever personally witnessed
@thetracebrady nah I get this too 🫂🌐 I have a suspicion @this_is_silvia might as well
@bloobsandnoods for years I have sometimes called blueberries bloobs which I suddenly noticed is your name !
@thetracebrady I wanna be on your podcast! I recently tweeted this and got a bunch of replies but this is the first podcast I'm seeing where I'm like "oh, that's specifically a context/theme I want to be in!"
@joe_r_Odonnell @acidshill I find some fraction interesting to check out intentionally (I can still do the Man Your Man Could Smell Like spiel from memory) but the way they blast everything unless blocked is wild
@AndyGait boy bands, and another one, and another one... and another one 😂😬
this is gonna sound weird but watch til the end it's surprising in a very understated way twitter.com/OlympicsContex…
@ryansarahk @gptbrooke @meaningfulideas I've met him in person and he's great.
I want to have Complice be able to be embedded in iframes so people can use it in personal dashboards or like @AbhayPrasanna in their @RoamResearch sidebar... ...with minimal clickjacking risk. How does that work? Most anti-clickjacking advice sites say "just block iframes" 😕🤷♀️
From what I've read, the main way clickjacking works is by having the user click some UI element that causes some significant effect with only one click (eg Amazon's one-click ordering) Complice mostly doesn't have that—few big effects, and these have "confirm" dialogs etc.
But *why* is it limited to one-click effects? Is it just because otherwise the user tends to realize that their clicks aren't having the effect that they think they are, and bail? Or is there some more technical reason I can feel reassured by?
I think for now I'm going to set it up to DENY frames for any settings pages, and otherwise explicitly ALLOWALL.
Replying to @abhayance
@AbhayPrasanna @RoamResearch Amazing. I've thought about rebranding and also have thought about modularity although if someone wants both of those things they might check out @amazinmarvin instead 😛 Gotta balance customizeability & constraints.
@reddy2go @thetracebrady @SissiPhys a beautiful rendition of those lines into song laurencecole.com/album/out-beyo…
@alt_tatsu yeah I have trouble handling a "job", even though I love working I'm working on some structures for coordinating groups of people in fluid autonomous ways to get people into positions where they can do satisfying work that solves others' problems
@alt_tatsu I love your exploration here! Semi-nomadic quasi-monking sounds great. Cross-pollination between different ecosystems, and fresh perspectives.
@HasBezosDecided To some extent you can run a one-person business making something people want that you enjoy making and selling. Not everybody is going to be able to pull it off but an increasing number can given shopify, etsy, stripe, and other systems that make solopreneurship easier.
@HasBezosDecided I also know some folks that run a worker-owned co-op that installs solar panels etc, and everyone's paid the same amount and all of the profits are paid out as dividends to the owners. There are probably other models as well.
@MasterTimBlais I was just thinking about @racket100 and realizing it's kinda the vibe you're looking for here - short media w replies
Retweeted @nosilverv
What if we 🥺👉👈 don’t tell anyone and 🙈🙈 just build a city 🌚
@nosilverv I'm into it have started reading Startup Societies which seems to be about this
This excerpt from the @ConsciousLG 15 Commitments book has me thinking about how these modes they're describing relate to the relationship between someone's brain hemispheres. Seems like a shift from LH towards RH, but maybe we could get a bit more specific. cc @m_ashcroft
🧐 what has causality been up to this time?
Thread · Revealed preferences ignore internal conflict and virtual reference levels · 5 of 6 tweets
"having is evidence of wanting" — @carolynelliott_ This is true, on net, but can easily form an Over-reified Revealed Preferences frame, in that it doesn't account for the emergent results of conflict! ...which is what's underneath most behavior, particularly confusing behavior
When Sarah & I walk, I sometimes end up ~1' ahead. We were reading some shadow shit into this til we realized that I just have a faster default pace, & my system would only slow down once the error of me being ahead reached about 1'; she had a similar threshold for speeding up.
Hence me being one foot ahead was a stable point, what PCT calls a "virtual reference level" formed by two control systems in a tug of war. Neither *wants* the current situation, but neither has unilateral access to a move that would improve things in terms of what they do want.
So yes, the fact that part of you wants some shit that is socially unacceptable and/or bizarre from the perspective of your conscious desires, doesn't mean that want is any more true or real than what the other parts of you want.
Your shadow stuff may be "deeper" in the sense of "more buried" but that doesn't make it "more profound" or whatever. All your egosyntonic desires also matter!
Retweeted @RaxKingIsDead
‘can you explain this gap in your resume’ sure! that represents the time i was Not working. seems kind of obvious tbh
Thread · Why subconscious drives outmaneuver conscious intentions
Your subconscious drives are reorganizing your mind to try new strategies til one works, and since they aren't conscious, they aren't constrained by: • what you think is okay • your own… belief… that you're not allowed to fuck around and find out?!? 🤯
Holy shit that actually explains why your subconscious seems (/is?) smarter than you! This came from @jondubin pointing at the question of why a given part wins an internal conflict. Not sure I'd seriously thought about it like that before.
From a PCT lens, when there's a direct internal conflict, nobody wins, it's just a tug of war that either stabilizes at some compromise (with both sides still tugging full-force!) or oscillates if perturbed from that compromise.
But what if the internal conflict is indirect? Brain is a learning system and in general tries to reorganize itself in order to achieve the various aims it's pursuing at various levels. And I've long been aware eg school traumatizes ppl away from that natural learning process…
…but I'm realizing that there might be a sense in which the learning process itself goes underground a bit, and renders shadow parts more capable of outwitting you than you are at outwitting them! Hence the experience of these persistent weird desires that can't be tamed.
The brain's learning/reorganization system is kind of endlessly creative as long as it's able to run. But when we're doing things consciously we often think we know how they should work and we don't let the reorganization happen naturally. Or if the first try fails, we give up.
By contrast, if our unconscious drives are, by their nature, not under conscious control and thus also can't be criticized into giving up (to avoid fear of failure)… …they'll just keep trying stuff, and sooner or later come up with a new way to thwart most counteractive moves!
The takeaway here is that just because your shadow parts manage to win a bunch of your internal conflicts, doesn't mean that those desires are more true for you. Conflict is a whole phenomenon itself!
No, I spoke too soon. The *real* takeaway here is that you can't beat your shadow in a fight.
And thus, integration is the only way to sustainably get what you want. Thinking through this thread helped me grok a whole nother level of what's going on with internal conflict—a topic I've been exploring for 4+ years.
Thread · Revealed preferences ignore internal conflict and virtual reference levels · 1 of 6 tweets
However, your shadow stuff might be overpowered, not because it's inherently more important to you but because it's sneakier:
I've been writing threads today and for some reason feeling way more inspired than usual to put some GIFs in them and I didn't need to but I think it probably makes the threads more fun
Thread · Why text-based tools can't produce real common knowledge
[[Common knowledge is almost impossible to do without synchronous communication or a hell of a lot of redundancy]] 💬 open ended design rant ❤️🔥🧵
To be really clear: common knowledge is not just "everyone in the group knows X" or "everyone in the group knows everyone in the group knows X". It's: 1. everyone in the group knows X 2. everyone in the group knows 1 3. everyone in the group knows 2 4. <repeated ad infinitum>
The recursive infiniteness of this sounds exhausting but in practice once you actually hit *infinity* it suddenly becomes simple again. If you're in a scene where there's some secret and you're trying to track who knows it & how to speak, and someone blurts it out, it collapses.
Say you're with friends, & you know some of you are going to a party, but you don't know if Bob is invited so you don't the mention the party in case Bob feels left out. Then Chad says "can't wait to dance with you all tonight!" and Bob goes "yeah!" Instant relief & clarity.
But suppose Bob goes "uhh... what?" Common knowledge breakdowns, when people act on a basis of thinking everyone's on some same page, and they're not, tend to produce distrust/betrayal, whether social shame like the party, or literal death if trying to coordinate battle tactics
Group chats are the closest tool we have for common knowledge in text-based mediums, but they have a lot of gaps. They solve the secret problem (above) because once something is in the group chat, you know it's not a *secret*. But they don't let you *ensure* common knowledge!
If I post X to a 3-person DM and later I see the other two people both have reacted or replied, have we achieved common knowledge of X? Not remotely!
For one, they don't know that I've seen their responses. But even before that: whoever responded second doesn't know if whoever responded first saw *their* response.
In practice, this somewhat resolves iteratively: as we keep chatting we assume we've all seen the previous messages, but stuff DOES get missed, especially as the group gets larger. It's no match at all for the obviousness of seeing everyone in the room react to X at once.
"So!" I declare triumphantly, "let's make a Common Knowledge module for Roam or Slack or whatever, where once the whole group reacts to some content, they all get a notification saying they've all reacted to that content!" Problem solved?
Better, probably, but not quite. You see, how do I *know* that everyone has received & read that notification? I don't. So we'll just make a button to acknowledge the notification, and once everyone has done that, we'll... send another notification? ...shit. 😅
I want to be clear that this is not a strawman critique of a proposed solution—this is what my brain generated while attempting to solve it, and it's still as close as I have to an answer that doesn't involve having everyone's attention in the same place at the same time.
If an organization has enough consistent shared habits (via discipline or otherwise), I suppose this can be a good approximation too. If everyone knows that everyone knows (×∞) that everyone gets & reads the same morning briefing, then you can treat that as common knowledge.
I suspect that in the days before decentralized/personalized media, it was effectively common knowledge among certain groups that everyone would have read the same newspaper that morning. Now that only happens for the biggest items, and barely/fuzzily
Some remote teams may be able to have such a practice, but don't underestimate how long it takes to build the trust that everyone consistently reads the briefing, and how quickly that trust is destroyed (if one person skips, even secretly, *they* know the system is untrustworthy)
I think in practice the solution is to make good use of live meetings for this purpose: Have attendees bring in things they want to get common knowledge on, & then just speaking those things creates comknol (assuming everyone can tell everyone at the meeting is paying attention)
@RobDye1960 @matiasbaldanza Yeah it's so good! I came across it via @SarahAMcManus's roam and made a point of converting it from imgur format to gif so I could tweet it.
Retweeted @nickcammarata
@lisatomic5 Merging awareness. I don’t think conscious experience ends at the skull
@meekaale @lisatomic5 hot
lol maybe another way to put this is that for most people, their shadow is more of a Live Player than their ego is
Retweeted @visakanv
if you ever think someone isn’t creative you should look at their excuses
what are you gonna create today? no wrong answers… except "nothing". everybody's always creating something!
@JasnaSeishin Step zero imx is taking a basic stance that assumes that you don't know what your parts' deals are, or how they want to be integrated, and orienting from a place that says "I'll find a way to respect what you're wanting here even if it's not my concept"
@JasnaSeishin This recent piece shows a bit of that approach in action — it's very nondogmatic about what "parts" even are. malcolmocean.com/2021/07/intern…
@gptbrooke whatever it would make sense to do given all of the factors they would probably completely outclass me in a fight, so would want to make friends, not necessarily reveal I know they're 👽, but also if I did, indicate that I'm not about to out them get up to shenanigans together
@nibrasibn I don't worry about oversharing in the TMI sense, pretty much. If I wanna say it, I say it. Y'all are free to ignore or unfollow. Having said that, I do curate certain thoughts to alts or private contexts, for various reasons including not wanting to deal with flak or whatever
I don't know to what extent this is an accurate explanation of why people are vaccine hesitant, but it's definitely an excellent exploration of how many times "the media" has been confidently wrong over the last 5 years. Whiplash.
@SamoBurja awkward timing for me to come across this just after reading about instagram having a hugely-overreaching terms of service upgrade awhile back hitc.com/en-gb/2020/12/…
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
every statement a person makes about themselves, their lives, the nature of reality etc. has a shadow statement. in order…
@JasnaSeishin just mentioned this to my own therapist who also does IFS and she was like "🤨 uhh no"
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
in my experience, both with myself and with clients and friends, admitting the thing out loud expands awareness of the pos…
someone was looking for this the other day, I think? @visakanv maybe? twitter.com/mrjasonowilson…
came across it just now here:
@QiaochuYuan yesssssss @Morphenius has a great bit on this:
Replying to @quotidiania
@quotidiania what are the basic capacities people would need in order to have a sane non-coercive society?
@JasnaSeishin @QiaochuYuan > do you do something specific with the things you write down? Sometimes all they need is validation—recognition of the reality of the world they're living in. This is what I mean by validation: (there's a whole thread that is gud) twitter.com/quotidiania/st…
@QiaochuYuan @JasnaSeishin possible to do partswork without any particular ongoing sense of identity for the parts just recognizing and tending to the multiplicity of what's going on
@QiaochuYuan yessssssss
arguably, when you're tempted to say *anything* it reflects an awareness of a world where that thing might not be true
Thread · Commitment as left-hemisphere confabulation and treating behavior as coherent · 1 of 9 tweets
Oh, I would caveat though, this perspective doesn't mean that any part of you wanted EXACTLY what happened. It could be the output of multiple conflicted subsystems, none of which are satisfied with the result.
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
@aphercotropist @QiaochuYuan @sashachapin this is why I prefer finger pointing at the moon as a metaphor you can tattoo m…
Retweeted @jespow
You've been training for this. This is your moment. The amendment isn't going to pump itself. Time to make some calls. I just…
"consciousness is for handling exceptions" this is a phrase I've quoted with @SarahAMcManus and maybe others, for a least a few years, but when she asked where it was from, I wasn't sure feels a bit like a Perceptual Control Theory thing, but maybe not? (cc @IAPCT)
Retweeted @youarezera
@utotranslucence they all feel intertwingled so it's hard to separate them but if I had to pick a fairly isolated technique I'd say BioEmotive
Retweeted @iapct
People generalise easily across games; RL takes millions of trials. Perceptual control theory agent gets to top on Breakout & Po…
Replying to @warrenmansell
@warrenmansell @SarahAMcManus @iapct I'm interested! Happy to check out & comment on a draft if you want to share.
Just found out about Bloom's 2 sigma problem—that 1-on-1 tutoring is WAY better than classroom learning, but doesn't scale—and I'm like: this is huge, what do we do? I have some ideas but it's time for sleep then coding day. But plz share ideas! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom's_2…
If you think you're not creative just consider how much stuff your brain invents in real-time during dreams! 💬 entire conversations 🏞️ new landscapes 🤠 crazy adventures 💡 solutions to problems
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData @Meaningness check this ^ out, it's a planning-less non-RL video game AI
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa Yeah dude, it's tough. Maybe we can just make a new word for this? Idk that could also be a culty thing to do 😅
Retweeted @Lan_Dao_
The softest women are the most hardcore and the most masculine men are the most in touch with their feminine side.
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa Unkillable meta-vibe
@kyzcralotSxaM School beats creativity out of most people
Thread · Perceptual control hierarchies vs reinforcement learning in game agents
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData Just read it! Cool stuff. The fact that the control hierarchy was designed for this task makes me feel the comparison to RL is weak. Good for saying "PCTagent is closer to what humans are doing" but still kinda far unless "explain instructions to human player" = premade model
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData But it seems that that equivalence doesn't hold since the human doesn't hit perfect scores the first try (arguably this is due to distraction or reaction time, idk) — has to reorganize/learn, to hook up the right perceptions to the right actuations.
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData Still, very exciting. Next step maybe a more general-purpose control hierarchy learning by playing, and developing its *own* model via reorganization, resulting in new onta.
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData Checking out the other items in OpenAI Gym, it seems to me like Space Invaders could be a good next step. Half of it is the same as pong but there's a new button. I'm trying to think of how simple the model could start, and how it would evolve to learn about delay and barriers
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData Like it seems that a perceptual control hierarchy should be able to learn to handle the delay of the bullet reaching the aliens, although I guess it's kind of backwards to the flyball catcher, so maybe actually way harder. So curious to see what learning looks like there!
@iapct @akbarth3great @SKlausDev @SQLMelody @kerberos007 @asifrazzaq1988 @BantamCityGames @BananaData I'm coming to PCT with a tiny bit of background in control systems engineering (one class on PID controllers) but mostly I've been staring at the psych/conflict/MoL-esque stuff, so I may be missing huge pieces here. Happy to be part of the convo though!
@jackinlondon Nah dude you'd be crazy by now if you didn't have dreams. You're just not remembering them for whatever reason(s).
@xuenay Huh, I'm definitely someone who has said this about dating and hadn't thought about how the critique of the other advice applies here. Most of the people I've said this to are so weird that single-gender-biased-subculture doesn't begin to describe things though, so... 🤷♀️🙃
Retweeted @ElodesNL
feeling like jokes have a deeply social function, serving as a mutual bonding experience that can be invoked later to reinfor…
@ElodesNL Yes. You had to be there. Were you there? If I reference a funny moment and you laugh, I know on a gut level you were there. Same timeless emotional hardware that serves up PTSD flashbacks. If you duck at a sound like an incoming shell, you were there.
@DRMacIver @ElodesNL Bought it! Thanks for the reco. Also curious about Inside Jokes: Using Humor to Reverse-Engineer the Mind
@Conaw = Average kid error-corrects 300 times/day. By contrast, it takes more than two months for the average 40-year-old adult to error-correct that many times.
@gptbrooke My superpower: seeing stuff and being like "what if it were good though?"
@visakanv @mbateman We can workshop it a bit together. I feel like something about serendipity (not that word tho) might be key. Too verbose: "The device that emits high variance improbabilities some of which are exactly the answer to the question was asking but didn't know how to phrase"
@edelwax @RichDecibels @_StevenFan @AnneSelke @RonanHarrington This seems fun! I would have to be... shy? Shy almost too easy, can just inhibit most impulses. Deferent? 🤔🤔🤔
I've recently been experimenting feeling the pleasure of each sensation. Laying down: The pleasure of the soft bed. The pleasure of my breath. The pleasure of… my nose getting itchy 🙃 The pleasure of a quiet sound. The pleasure of my own muscle tension. Playfully, don't force
@tishray Some theories say money started as credit, not for barter. I think you're onto something though. My take would be "we need to go back to selling goods we feel proud of making, to people who are glad to buy them". Paychecks and bosses are not real.
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
when i started paying attention to this i was shocked at how often i was suppressing laughter. there are so many times it…
Replying to @NLRG_
It's one I have a demo of on my phone but haven't released yet—planning to later this year, if all goes well! It's clear enough that I feel confident saying that anyone who doesn't resonate with it isn't my soulmate.
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
Passive-aggressive: a big mood the size of a small mood 🤔
@empathy2000 Do it!
Retweeted @ricvolpe
Are we ~10 years away from a new way of thinking about humans, minds and behaviours? Perhaps it'll emerge off of Twitter htt…
@SeishinWrites @dthorson Topical, right adjacent in my timeline! 😂😶 (Would have made a twiptych if y'all weren't locked)
Retweeted @embryosophy
may your saturday be as joyful as these happy skipping buffalo twitter.com/0zmnds/status/…
Retweeted @DRMacIver
Apropos absolutely nothing, but it's important to remember that sometimes when an entire group turns against a person it's n…
@visakanv @CompliceGoals app ofc Idk what your plans are for promoting friends' stuff but I'd imagine it'd be cool if you did a twitter thread reflecting on this philosophy page, which resonates with lots of your stuff / tcot. complice.co/philosophy
@visakanv @CompliceGoals (still also planning to hire you as marketing consultant once you've finished your book! On which note maybe you have better ideas 😅)
@DistractedAnna Yeah I decided to pick up y'all in 2017 when @SarahAMcManus and I got together and I could pick it up from her. It's great. Haven't looked back. I notice the ambiguity of "you" from non-y'all-speakers a lot more now.
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth The "all you have to do is label" bit doesn't seem true to me at all. In general, there's always an actual cluster of who is interacting with each other and mutually knows each other. And this cluster has particular traits, however nebulous and evolving they may be.
@liminal_warmth If someone said "ingroup" and they and I had no mutual followers I would assume (correctly—unless a brand new alt of another account or long-time lurker) they were literally referring to a completely different cluster that happened to be making the same name joke.
Aviation is currently responsible for 2% of global CO2 emissions. This take below may be true but it's missing the point. In the future, we'll either be very fucked or have enough other alt energy & carbon removal tech to fly way more than we do now.
Oh, some people are saying "brink of sustainable flight"? Well, I guess that's wrong but it doesn't really matter much either way afaict.
I'm arguably QTing cringe here... tempted to justify that or something but ugh that's worse. If you want to think about solving these problems at scale, politically, check out #SimPol / simpol.org Very cool approach. Great interview: podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6L…
imitate me—i dare you
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @Jamie_Haszel I think the dangerous territory begins much much earlier at the point when we undertake to decide on some rules. We immediately encounter some trust/authority/decision koans:
Thread · Recursive koans about rules, decisions, and meta-negotiation · 1 of 15 tweets
What are the rules? What are the rules for changing the rules? What are the rules for interpreting the rules? What are the rules for who the rules apply to? What are the rules for what happens when someone doesn't agree to the rules?
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @Jamie_Haszel Okay good we're on the same page here. I was crossreferencing this with the "ingroup" discussion and imagining you were imagining a twitter scene trying to come up with rules for exclusion and I was like 😬😬😬
@Jamie_Haszel @liminal_warmth Yeah, part of the issue is that some things that matter the most are very very hard to make explicit and adequately symmetric.
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @Jamie_Haszel Yes, ofc. Everyone has de facto full authority over how to conduct their own moves (replies, blocks, unfollows, etc) In the meantime though I came up with an excellent new addition to my thread of these koans!
@gptbrooke @michaelcurzi I was always a "strangely earnest twitter" fan.
Just watched this latest ContraPoints with @LordChisholm and… wow. Can't wait to see @visakanv's various interleavings of this with his other points. Relates to power, ambition, twitter-behavior, etc. youtube.com/watch?v=aPhrTO…
@andy_matuschak Probably same as anosmia
Retweeted @PeterW__
Digital/Website/App Product Ideas (I have not looked recently to see if any of these exist or are feasible):
@__justplaying This has definitely been true of my integration videos... Videos I record from one state of mind to watch in another, to help build psychological bridges.
Retweeted @made_in_cosmos
Maybe, just maybe, if the kids have anything useful to do and any control of their own lives, they wouldn’t retreat int…
@reximbo @Jesse_Livermore @made_in_cosmos @webdevMason If you've got stuff you can do that's worth doing... you don't have a much need to make a mess around the question of who you are. (Up-Goer Five style)
@tasshinfogleman @visakanv @LordChisholm Baby steps 😅
@AskYatharth 18yos, really? I'm not arguing, because it feels true of me at 29 and that's technically incorrect. But I am *surprised*. Like it seems the Q would be: do you have a memory of you/your family "getting internet"? ...okay I guess I'm arguing.
@JakeOrthwein @SarahAMcManus @iapct @bryankam Idk the predictive processing language but it sounds like error means a different thing there than in PCT (although the two frameworks map onto each other quite closely)
Retweeted @Conaw
This may be the best thread I have ever read. TLDR: The Hindenburg was fake news. Build back blimpier, make blimps great again.…
Retweeted @acidshill
four types of skepticism naïve skepticism is when you don’t understand an idea, and your misconceptions cause it to seem le…
@visakanv Everything is a remix, and part of why I post on twitter is to see my own ideas from new angles as they get digested by others.
Retweeted @mechanical_monk
>incapable of doing anything other than exactly what he wanted to be doing i'm convinced this has some phenomenologic…
@mechanical_monk Hmmm maybe I want to more seriously reorganize complice.co marketing around this premise... 🤩
Retweeted @the_wilderless
Increasing vibe: Less and less able to see a given path, teaching, tradition, technique, guidance, book, blog, as more…
@the_wilderless I like the simple phrase "as far as I can tell" for stating truths that seem pretty clearly true to me without implying the listener ought agree. I use "ofc" or "obviously" when in company I know already knows what I'm saying.
@QiaochuYuan I found this exercise really fun and I just wanted to think more, so... hm 😅
@__justplaying @QiaochuYuan Consider stuff! Weigh the factors of some decisions. Fantasize about the future. Reminisce about the past. Mentally rehearse some habit or skill. Think of 100 novel uses of an everyday object.
Retweeted @visakanv
ok so i think this is the first time i’m explicitly asking for someone else – can we get like 20 people to slip @ultimape $20…
@visakanv Just contributed $40 USD one-time for the microbiome experiment (I once got paid that much to donate my own shit to a startup) and also set up an ongoing Patreon contribution!
Retweeted @relic_radiation
So I’ve objected to many modern versions of self love. *This* one feels clear + I easily endorse. “No matter how har…
@AnneSelke You might like this:
@AnneSelke I have a melody that I sing it to. My family only did sung grace at holidays but I love it and want more of it in my life.
@QiaochuYuan I mostly only use "deserve" in the negative. So I don't say "people deserve free healthcare" but I do say "nobody deserves sky-high medical bills or ongoing suffering due to lack of care". ie negating Just World Fallacy.
Retweeted @EricRWeinstein
Sam Harris in an impossible situation. Let’s begin with the impossible message: “The obviously not very trustworthy i…
@m_ashcroft Enough quantitative change becomes a qualitative change!
@phishermenmail @visakanv Perfect. Nailed actual in-context reply game with visa talking point.
@meditationstuff Emptiness
Retweeted @wcathcart
…”it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this…
Replying to @ITSBROOKLYNMBE
@BrooklynMBE1 @TiTanWax @Snowden in the words of Apple:
@visakanv I recall reading something from the 1800s that was analogizing the brain to the sorts of steam-powered machines they were building at that time.
@visakanv not a direct response to your inquiry here, but people who want to consider how good any such analogy might be might like this short thread / series of replies:
Replying to @_dte
@_dte A decent fraction of @CompliceGoals customers are people I know personally, and I feel this when I implement their feature requests 💞
Retweeted @META_DREAMER
We need to change our collective visions of the future from grungy cyberpunk dystopia to green solarpunk utopia. So much…
Thread · Seeding a walkable co-creative community in coastal BC · 1 of 5 tweets
Oooohhh... 🧐 👉👈 twitter.com/jongold/status…
Replying to @sheherenow_
@jongold That's what I'm up to in Coastal BC 🇨🇦, probably in/near Victoria! If you are (or know) someone) in the area who might vibe, let's talk ❤️🔥
Retweeted @cognazor
The sensations in your body when you close your eyes? Yeah, that's nature too
@cognazor ❤️🔥
@joshtsmithmusic @readwiseio you might like some of the ideas I have here:
twitter is public texting tumblr is public email
@pjsempe @Duderichy @TeddyRaccovelt @yhdistyminen @tertius_taz it's not just about what you learn or don't learn in terms of the curriculum, or the price in dollars it's about the price of learning that thinking is about passing tests and not getting docked marks, as opposed to figuring out things you want to figure out
don't forget about [[organizing the particulars]]
loving well requires [[organizing the particulars]]
@Meaningness knows about [[organizing the particulars]]
@visakanv last year I read a quote (iirc in some Dzogchen book or on the Aro site) that said something about a state in which one would find others' neuroses "wondrously workable". based. I've experienced it a couple times it's great. But still constraints.
@QiaochuYuan last sentence of this tweet is an example and the whole thing also seems like an answer to your Q in some sense
yo @visakanv did you know there's a list of aesthetics? aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_A…
do sociopaths have the buddha nature?
Thread · Loch Kelly's effortless mindfulness and the attention/awareness split
Yoooo @m_ashcroft, Loch Kelly's book "The Way of Effortless Mindfulness" is an AT handbook disguised as dharma. It features many little "glimpse" exercises for accessing an expanded nondual awareness state. Here's the first one:
I think Loch Kelly's book will also be of interest to @SarahAMcManus, @QiaochuYuan, and other folks who've been inspired by @Meaningness and/or @_awbery_ to look into Dzogchen since his approach seems to be to Dzogchen & Mahamudra what Jon Kabat-Zinn was to Zen & vipassana
And of course, anything talking about attention as distinct from awareness is going to end up being profoundly relevant to the brain hemispheres!
McGilchrist's work gives an *intellectual* vantage point from which statements like "awareness is already enlightened" can seem obvious. This is WILD. (excerpt screenshot from Loch Kelly's book)
However, there's still something weird that needs bridging between the broad notion of two hemispheres with radically different modes of perception (attention vs awareness) and thus radically different basic experiences of the world and self and self-in-world.
I and others have hand-waved around this by talking about the right vs left hemisphere being "in charge" or whatever, but whatever the hell that is doesn't show up as obvious lateralization on an fMRI! A study found big effects in the Default Mode Network (DMN) and TPN though!
So there's clearly some sort of mapping between {the left & right brain hemispheres} and {problem-solver mind & nondual awareness}. I don't know how to relate that to the DNM & TPN study. A hint: the hemispheres themselves are very intertwingled: not-two.
(I looked up the study to see if I could find relevant images but the only scan image I found was captioned in such a way that I didn't have a particular sense of relevance to our point here. here's a link to it though) frontiersin.org/articles/10.33…
Thread · Meta-thread of threads on McGilchrist's brain hemispheres · 1 of 38 tweets
@Jeanvaljean689 @m_ashcroft Dharma and neuroscience. Also this book is potentially a very good candidate for "how to shift locus to RH", and meanwhile the thread raises the question of wtf that even means.
😙👌 role reversed version of Life of Brian "he IS the messiah!" (buddhist version?)
Replying to @DaltonDEmery
@DaltonDEmery @shrinetothevine huh, the credit card fees themselves cover things? So say someone makes a payment on @stripe. They send exactly $100. The business owner gets $96.80 (2.9% + 30¢) fee Who gets the 2.9%+30¢? I thought it was Stripe but maybe it's the credit card company?
Retweeted @temujin9
You got to entertain the dumb ideas. Otherwise they'll never invite their smart friends over.
Retweeted @RogueScholarPr
This is pure inspiration. (linguistics nerds know what I'm talking about 💪💪💪) youtu.be/Czq2YBv8ZTc
@deevbrain 🤷🤷♂️ it was probably fated that the orange wizard would need to face off against the blue dragon
@wholebodyprayer hmm I agree tho also ppl need affection and it's not bad for the person to try to get it however they can, even if it's unworkable for the other person. gotta find a way to strategize and find something good for both
Retweeted @eigenrobot
rulers in a democracy cannot afford to be openly contemptuous of the people they govern, and even aside from that this kind…
@AskYatharth Sooooon... Blimps. twitter.com/RealhumanSchwa…
we need 2 words for "try", for these meanings: 🎯 making attempts that may fail due to lack of skill 😖 straining against internal resistance oh wait! there's also: 🤺 making attempts that may fail due to being outmatched
epistemic status: it sounded good at the time
@altRei Various dharma people say things like "our essential awakened nature, accessible at any moment, is compassionate & loving" which either doesn't apply to sociopaths whatsoever or is WAAAY less accessible for them.
@temujin9 Perhaps, though based on a skim of his story he probably wasn't a sociopath in the strict sense (which is the sense in which I was asking this question, and broadly the only sense in which I think it's an interesting question)
@visakanv @LordChisholm except for sociopaths?
Thread · Why ethical models should disambiguate psychopaths from everyone else · 1 of 7 tweets
a lot of confusions about human nature & ethics are caused by not disambiguating sociopaths and non-sociopaths send tweet
@visakanv the name you have given to this is an example of such a confusion "asshole" really really really really doesn't cut it I've been called an asshole (I have, arguably, *been* an asshole) and I'm not a sociopath, and this fucked me up
@visakanv @LordChisholm they don't see other people as *mattering* but I've read a quora answer from a sociopath who sees other people as interesting games to play to see how much they can fuck with someone before the person goes crazy or leaves I guess I don't know if they'd agree that's cruelty
@visakanv oh shit, maybe I mean psychopaths I thought last time I looked this up the source said they were the same but now I'm getting a clear and important distinction verywellmind.com/what-is-a-soci…
@visakanv anyway, this article is one of the main sources I've been drawing on for understanding psychopaths people with "a lack of empathy, remorse, or guilt; shallow emotions; aggression and even cruelty; and a seeming indifference to punishment" ~1% of kids theatlantic.com/magazine/archi…
@visakanv @LordChisholm I'm pretty confident they wouldn't have the "need to believe it's something other than cruelty" that non-psychopaths have though the person doesn't need to *deserve* to suffer in any moral sense in order for a psychopath to decide to make them suffer
Thread · Why ethical models should disambiguate psychopaths from everyone else · 3 of 7 tweets
ahh I meant "psychopaths", insofar as this table is pointing at a difference:
fwiw, unlike various other people I don't think that trying to blame or eliminate psychopaths is a desirable nor viable strategy turns into a witchhunt, which will probably end up finding other scapegoats than the ones it seeks
I don't know what trust looks like with people who don't have empathy built-in. I don't know what win-wins look like. ...but I have no reason to think they don't exist! (on the gripping hand, to be clear: I've no reason to prioritize doing trust-building with sociopaths atm)
@LapsusLima @visakanv do you also make a sociopath/psychopath distinction?
@visakanv yeah, though I do think that grokking the shape of the problem does require disambiguating {some people are doing damaging things because they lack empathy hardware} and {some people are doing damaging things because they have temporarily found a way to justify or ignore harm}
@visakanv idk if you'll believe it, given how far I've come, but I felt a bit of fear when I first saw you tweeting about the asshole problem I've been the guy people wanted to get rid of
@visakanv ah that was also because of punishment-oriented tweets like this one
@visakanv oh! an interesting connection between non-sociopathic asshole-dom & genetic non-empathic psychopaths... relates to the envy thing! specifically, if psychopaths don't respond to punishment, and someone's doing something I got punished for... 🤔🤯
oh huh I just realized this tweet—one of my most esoteric tweets—is isomorphic to some other stuff!
It's sort of a more technical version of this quote from the late great James Carse, which is a tweet I reference/QT a lot, whenever evil comes up
And then from @visakanv we've got this gem 💎 which says it all in much simpler terms: > The challenge is to deal with assholes without becoming an asshole yourself in the process
@visakanv @LordChisholm ah, legit! okay, I think we may be actually substantially on the same page here I was about to ask "what do you think the solution to the asshole problem is?" but my impression is that your answer—on *multiple levels*—would be:
@visakanv @leaacta @AdmiralOPG me neither (even though I excitedly preordered it)
Retweeted @visakanv
Now that more of us are playing the threading game: As we compete+collaborate effectively articulate things we all care abou…
@visakanv @LordChisholm apparently I feel a desire to explain the joke, ie what I mean by multiple levels how to solve the asshole problem is by encouraging people to
@visakanv @LordChisholm and how to solve the asshole problem is to stop focusing on assholes and instead to
I was listening to this song right now and I was completely taken by surprise to realize how good it actually is. This song is THE BEST. Okay not actually, but it is unironically actually good. youtube.com/watch?v=5vRlJr…
this hits different after watching Envy | ContraPoints youtube.com/watch?v=aPhrTO…
Thread · Why ethical models should disambiguate psychopaths from everyone else · 2 of 7 tweets
To be clear, my original tweet is not just about philosophies, but also about implicit models that affect peoples' behavior! (there's a whole great thread here)
meanwhile, if we designed systems that worked better for psychopaths, they might actually work better for everyone psychopaths are notoriously not motivated by punishment but it's nigh-impossible to steer *anything* by punishment! yet we still use it
interesting prisoner's dilemma algorithm that weeds out naive-cooperate strategies while also cooperating well with high-cooperation strategies seems like some sorts of equivalent behaviors probably form a vital part of keeping cultural immune systems non-naive via @Rahul_Ramc
@Rahul_Ramc @visakanv ooooooh *interesting*
@visakanv next time just send them this
My take would be "we need to sell goods & services we enjoy making & providing, directly to people who are glad to buy them". Paychecks and bosses are not real. Money is great.
@__drewface related, though not the same:
"dissipative systems" is the term I was thinking of! shoutout to @95thoughts, @MattPirkowski, @pineslibrary & @HindesAdrian for getting it and shoutout to everyone else for putting out other ideas!
@sashintweets this is it
Thread · Civium: superlinear city scaling and the single global virtual city · 15 of 16 tweets
Cities are attractors because of superlinear real-productivity scaling. Now that we can do collaboration with anyone in the world, we can have a single global virtual city. Then way less need to pack tightly! = summary of @jgreenhall's Civium concept 🧵👇 youtube.com/watch?v=yXBAtd…
The premise is based on Geoffrey West's book Scale, about scaling laws & network effects. Dissipative systems (as in QT below) often have sublinear scaling effects: animal twice as big has +85% metabolic rate, ie it's slower.
Corporations also scale sublinearly, in terms of productivity & revenue per capita. It asymptotes as you add more people. However! In cities, there's just a superlinear scaling function—more people means not just more income total but more income *per capita*.
This explains why cities keep growing. "In some very strong sense, cities are to people as stars are to atoms. If you increase the population, you increase wealth & population." But outward pressure of physical limitations on how close you can pack'em (& still feed 'em etc)
These two pressures generate huge creative pressure to use the city's wealth & innovation to solve these problems, whether by building aquaducts, elevators, or hyperloops. Then you can add more people—until you have more problems that require more solutions!
That's the first half of the vid—Jordan summarizing this bit from Geoffrey West's book Scale (which I recently bought because I'm trying to do things on a bunch of fractal scales at once. The index already has me drooling!)
JH then goes a few step further. His first extension is that effectively the entire population of a region is composed of a city and its support infrastructure. But there's a logistic fragility to that, since everything is operating at critical limits.
The key insight here though is that the reason the city is so productive is not about packing bodies tightly together, but minds, in relationship 🤯 "It's because minds are embodied, that we have cities." Relationships are subject to the limits of travel & telecommunications.
But now we're at/near the tipping-point, with zoom, VR, etc (@visakanv & I would add twitter!) where the geographic limits to collaboration & innovation fall away. Thus! the Civium concept says: we can have a single virtual city, where everyone can communicate with everyone.
The superlinear scaling laws then imply that the shift from our current largest cities to a 7,885,232,461-person city produces a 3-5× increase in wealth. (I think this referring to real wealth, not just money)
*Meanwhile*, if we can do a lot of our creative collaboration virtually, with people all around the 🌎, then we no longer still need to cram all the bodies in one place. There can be lots more smaller, more walkable communities, where people know each other and can be in nature.
"And, I suspect that this is not just *awesome*... I suspect it's actually going to be obligate, to enable the virtual to be as powerful as it's going to be!" "Most people are now [mid-2020] experiencing that interactions via zoom conference are more draining than in-person"
"Now imagine if, when you finish that zoom conference, instead of dropping into your body in the context you're in now, you dropped into a context that's extremely nurturing to human beings."
Anyway, fwiw, I'm in the early stages of plotting such a context on Vancouver Island. Get in touch if you are someone (or know someone) who might want to be involved on whatever level.
The particular element I'm working on is what @jgreenhall calls the "meta-protocol". (The thing I've been calling the "Non-Naive Trust Dance" is my framework for talking about the meta-protocol) This is a great short vid on why we need such a thing: youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
one wild take that seems apt to me is that actually the collaborative zettelkasten quality of twitter means that you can collaborate not just with *everybody* but with *past versions of yourself and others* zoom doesn't allow that in the same way
@obscur_account @95thoughts @MattPirkowski @pineslibrary @HindesAdrian as it happens I was working on a thread about one dimension of it (not a direct answer to your Q but might give some sense)
@m_ashcroft yeah and ofc you still need larger-than-Dunbar in-person hubs for TONS of other stuff, in order to have critical mass for any activity that needs to be done in person, whether: - dancing - singing - fucking - eating food together - sports - etc
Replying to @MetaMikeBiggs
@MetaMikeBiggs @jgreenhall Did you read the whole thread? That's literally what he's saying—with advances in telecoms that we have and/or are about to have (and I think it'll come along with new ways of using it) we increasingly live in a single global city as far as innovation is concerned.
@visakanv he really does it, holy shit I love his dedication to singing it full-strength every time really sounds like the original meme
what would we need in order for everyone to be able to do what they feel like doing, and for the result of all of those doings to be that everyone gets cared for in a way that everyone feels deeply satisfied with?
@buster @Rahul_Ramc yeah, in real-world interactions I think there's a ton of many-dimensional handshaking going on constantly, or as I call it, "trust-dancing" we're all figuring out how we can trust others and trying to get them to trust us
@visakanv we did it guys
Retweeted @createstreets
Where would you rather be? If the answer is on the right, no fundamental rule of science or economics prevents us crea…
Thread · From good-vs-bad to good-vs-evil: guilt morality and spiral dynamics
I've a thread to weave, not sure what my point is yet but let's string together some bits. Okay, in ContraPoints' stellar new video on Envy, she summarizes Nietzsche re a shift from a morality of good(power)-bad(weak) to good(meek)-evil(power)
(I'm basically writing the rest of this thread assuming that you've watched that video or read Nietzsche or otherwise have the context on this shift thing)
I've described before that "if people weren't afraid of hell, they'd murder and steal and stuff" is basically Christian propaganda
but... huh, what if in some sense that *was* largely what was happening between the dawn of civilization ~10k BC and Christianity's advent of a sense that this was "evil" and we shouldn't do it? (there's also ofc the Q of what tamed non-christian cultures similarly)
While watching the vid w/ @LordChisholm, I brought up this spiral dynamics graphic and pointed at how "good-vs-bad" ~= RED & "good-vs-evil" ~= BLUE. I put out: "did we need to go through BLUE to get to ORANGE?" He said "ORANGE critiques BLUE's objective truth, which RED lacks."
I'm getting a way better sense of how each of these value memes critique the one before them. @HFreinacht has a hilariously spicy take on how that works for BLUE→ORANGE→GREEN→YELLOW so I guess this mostly fleshed out the RED→BLUE bit metamoderna.org/from-premodern…
anyway, the RED value meme is uhhh kind of sociopathic! the hierarchies and surpluses of agricultural societies enabled this kind of approach to succeed, and the winners wrote not just the histories but also the norms or so the just-so story goes 🤷♀️
perhaps the dominators were initially psychopaths, ie ppl who genetically lack empathy, but then over time as it got normalized, others started doing it perhaps it was needed to justify or dissociate from the horror of some ppl starving while others ate
in any case, with Judaism & Xianity came guilt-based morality that condemned the harms of egocentrically just following one's impulses but by using guilt, it failed to adequately create a frame that acknowledges that we ALSO *want* to find win-wins; we care about each other
but unless we're plagued with guilt or some other sort of externalized should, we basically *don't* want to give up satisfying our own desires & impulses and we shouldn't want to give that up! that's the font of value! so the puzzle is: can we have both?
and it seems that folks at the forefront of culture are answering "yes, broadly speaking, but we need to learn how"
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE we're all biased and the bootstrapping process involves us each starting by doing what we feel like doing in service of creating the world where everyone can do what they feel like doing
@johnvmcdonnell @visakanv there's some sort of factor, but it may be attitude as much as aptitude (see below) and it still only accounts for 40-50 percent
Retweeted @visakanv
So @Malcolm_Ocean & I just played this little impromptu game together where we each elaborated on the prompt “it’s my first d…
seems to me like the Peter Principle is a failure of self-organized criticality—something is just slightly miscalibrated. everyone ends up *exactly* one rung too high—so close! maybe this is actually ideal & the issue is more that in classic corps, people are bad @ learning
@NickADobos @visakanv huhhhhhh
@ricvolpe yes
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin @HFreinacht I had a flicker of a thought about Classical Greece while I was writing this thread! Glad you brought it up. I agree it points at a flaw in the model, including a flaw in the reasoning of "blue necessary to get to orange" since Classical Greece seems like a kind of proto-orange.
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin @HFreinacht I have a short rant about this 😂
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin @HFreinacht hm, good point! first guess: maybe agri *allows* wars & kings but it took further millennia before someone figured out how to invent them? feels a bit bonkers but I'm increasingly appreciating that people take a surprisingly long time to realize what's possible with new tech
Replying to @cryptograthor
@cryptograthor I haven't! summarize the gist/relevance?
@ricvolpe @visakanv I think it's more subtle than that. I'm assuming that I could only have become mayor if I had at least some sort of agenda, and this writing process *was* me attempting to discover the context of how it was I came to be writing in my notes "It's my first day as mayor."
Retweeted @__drewface
Scenius' are also obsessed with unblocking each other's work! There are so many examples of this from my research. (unbloc…
@__drewface @visakanv it's actually a whole layer more meta than you knew! visa said to me "That’s what a scene is: people unblocking each other at a tremendous rate" and I said "if you don't tweet that I will"
Thread · Civium: superlinear city scaling and the single global virtual city · 1 of 16 tweets
oh btw, I think I summarized the first video so thoroughly that instead of suggesting you watch it I'd now suggest checking out this other, newer, same-length video that's also introducing the project (haven't watched it) & tell me what else it's got youtube.com/watch?v=tuHhvM…
Replying to @ReachChristofer
@ReachChristofer Sounds like FKJ (@Fkjmusic) - could be a few different videos though. This one was posted 5 days ago so it's definitely not it, but it's probably dope. youtube.com/watch?v=AmmFD2…
Retweeted @visakanv
a flourishing scene is a context where people unblock each other at a tremendous rate
this is conscious rational meme-spreading in action: "this meme is valuable. we need to spread it" (cc @metaLulie) I'm really struck by how there's still a sense in which the meme has a life of its own, and we're collaborating with it since it helps us. symbiosis
so @visakanv and I have been exploring how we seem to be doing & thinking a lot of similar things but from different angles this was one foray—tell us what you think
it occurred to me also today to contrast two of the best imitations we got on the recent imitation game thing:
@ricvolpe nailed it
@bloobsandnoods @tasshinfogleman related:
feels related to the Astral Codex Ten post about The Precision of Sensory Evidence being a vital part of well-being astralcodexten.substack.com/p/the-precisio…
@visakanv specialization
people are fabulously different even in a conformist society and most things that are a distraction for you are something someone else would love to master and make you not have to worry about
hey look it's the 2 elements of complice.co! 🎯 big picture goals 👣 new steps each day, based on those
@BecomingCritter @visakanv "want things they cannot have" is different from "do what they feel like doing" but when I talk at wants and needs I generally include a caveat about "figuring out what, among what's possible, would best satisfy this underlying need" issue comes with "X should be possible!"
@djmicrobeads yeah totally, I'm not just talking material stuff it's important but equally important is a paradigm shift and they can help bootstrap each other
@egocv @Cantide1 @visakanv yeah this is something I haven't totally figured out but I *think* it's possible for people to live glorious ecstatic meaningful satisfying lives with only non-positional goods so I don't think it's an issue [[in the limit]] though it might well be [[in the meantime]]
@gambleluke1 yup
@ThomasdePhuoc Their API got blocked on a bunch of stuff unfortunately. Other than that, v1 is done.
Replying to @MetaMikeBiggs
@MetaMikeBiggs @jgreenhall Nah man, there are many worse rungs than an enthusiastic "what about this consideration!? it would be great if that could be taken into account"
Replying to @taonf
@taonf yeah totally nothing wrong with being a psychopath it's just important to not make a spiders georg error by assuming that there's an average human
apparently I currently feel like I can do anything but I don't feel like doing anything
@altsanabo "strain" might actually be the right one for 2 already. or maybe "stress". they're both technical terms in engineering, the former being an amount of deformation in a material and the latter being the amount of pressure required to produce that deformation
@embryosophy @taalumot @chaosprime @gptbrooke what a ride this thread was, damn
@_ali_taylor bonds > The figurative sense of "instinctual attraction or affinity" is attested slightly earlier, from the alchemical sense etymonline.com/word/chemistry…
Retweeted @visakanv
I am once again reminded that one of the great psychic divides is between people who’ve made/sold stuff in the open marketpla…
@QuicksilverPool @m_ashcroft AT = Alexander Technique I'm saying that this book, The Way of Effortless Mindfulness, is functionally a handbook for AT, though it doesn't purport to be such a thing
Retweeted @visakanv
"Visa you can't just keep saying that everything is going to be a Golden Age" me:
Thread · You can't make new old friends · 1 of 6 tweets
the thing about old friends is that you can't get new ones
@Prigoose - mentioned this to you in the context of hiring folks from other countries
@mayfer @Prigoose mentioned this in talking about group chats and branchy groups
Retweeted @mayfer
ok time to share the Spiel beta publicly beta.spiel.com this is an attempt to build a chat architecture that capture…
@choosy_mom I'm kind of nebulously proud that a lot of my tweets still getting mostly no engagement, while my follower count has increased a lot over the last few years I don't actively try to be illegible or whatever but it's a sign I'm remaining at the forefront of my own thinking
Retweeted @visakanv
16. I strongly believe that almost everything that exists should have someone’s name on it. I love that Steve Jobs got the or…
me & @SarahAMcManus demo a technique we just came up with for healthily expressing frustration towards someone. basically you arrange your arms so they can frustrate you physically, and then you PUSH AS HARD AS YOU CAN 😡💪❤️🔥 (& use mechanics/leverage to balance strength diffs)
if you want to exercise your vocal cords rather than your arms, you can try this one instead (or both!)
the game Factorio is great for this if you want to do it as a hobby rather than a career
@TasshinF I think I've inferred what this whole set is is from this photo beautiful ❤️🔥
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
If you force children to do things that they hate without evidence of benefit then they experience the direct harm now…
@uncatherio @SarahAMcManus you can get really excellent trippy beat frequencies (ie pulses) if you yell at slightly different pitches if one person is yelling at 110Hz and the other person at 112Hz, you'll get a 2Hz beat, ie 2 pulses per second can be very trippy and satisfying
Retweeted @nathan_k
Holy shit, literally some harmonic minor at 5 seconds. What a good boy. twitter.com/dog_rates/stat…
Retweeted @AbraarKaran
1/ I agree. Have said this so many times I am myself confused now what CDC/US Gov is missing-- mass manufacturing and dist…
What's your favorite palette? twitter.com/temeton_blue/s…
Retweeted @sn_fk_n
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
Beautiful twitter.com/taalumot/statu…
Replying to @temeton_blue
@temeton_blue according to this app ↙️, I'm just already a babe this other gender swap app ↘️ seems to think I should put concealer on my birthmark (but badly) and straighten my hair (but badly) which,,,
@bonnittaroy left side evokes to me someone kicking something and it flying apart right side somebody dancing
@p_millerd @janet_yen1 me "I feel like Google accidentally hired too many designers"
Top things I did in uni, ranked by ex-post usefulness: 1. Start a company (complice.co) 2. Join a culture incubator 3. Intern in SF & meet ppl 4. Burning Man 5. Live at @UWVelocity 6. @KIWaterloo seminars 7. Contact Improv ... ~50. Classes (barely went tho lol)
It's honestly pretty hard to rank these but somewhere also on the list would be: 8. Android app 9. Start a blog 10. Read a ton of books 11. Polyphasic sleep experiments 12. Co-op work experience (which mostly taught me that I wanted to be a feral free agent rather than employed)
synthwave and 4am go so well together youtube.com/watch?v=Oddp32…
@hormeze I love your mind.
@vgr depends on context there's probably a high-school 2×2 to be made with nerd-jock-prep-punk or something. idk where goth fits in.
@StupendousGrav1 @wholebodyprayer Some teachers appear to cultivate trust easily by focusing on the dimensions of resonance & insisting points of dissonance are less real. Can be really tough because the experiences of trust DO feel more real, but distrust needs to be proactively honored.
@StupendousGrav1 @wholebodyprayer > The worst insist on being trusted with no actual reason for anyone to trust them. One of the things going on here I think is that people have some trust of themselves, and feel that others' distrust is incompatible with their self-trust.
@StupendousGrav1 @wholebodyprayer
@QiaochuYuan @hormeze happened to come across the fact that Robert Gilman is gonna be on the Stoa on Monday, while I had these Seattle tweets open (cc @selentelechia) he's based on Whidbey Island, nearby
@QiaochuYuan @hormeze @selentelechia and he's been doing some cool cultural coevolution stuff for a long time (he was the guy behind the magazine that The Possible Relationship was published in ❤️🔥😍👇) context.org/iclib/ic10/uvf…
Retweeted @cognazor
A true metamodern age would revivify the best parts of all of the prior ages in our psychology and culture. It wouldn't be a…
@visakanv sunset boiiiii
@visakanv I feel the shape of your "no fucking way" in a muted echo'd way from all the way over here, in that when I saw this tweet I immediately thought of the sunset thing you were intending to do, though I hadn't see that tweet yet
@mary3114 @hankgreen doesn't help for phone but I made a userscript that fixes browser tab favicons to bring back the old icons!
@mary3114 @hankgreen also if you get Nova Launcher for Android you can customize icons I think, and there's a one-click setting to remove some of the bullshit white circles so that you get full-size ACTUAL ICONS
Retweeted @visakanv
Twitter is currently still the best place for hypertextual intercourse twitter.com/visakanv/statu…
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @visakanv I want a gif that's like this one but dirtier but I'm not sure what to search
yeah this (plus legit improvements made in the last couple years like elevating QTs) is part of why I dropped my #TwitterReplacement orientation and am now long $TWTR I still think they need to switch business models and unfuck their API so it can be a platform of innovation
the obvious simple way to do it might be something like, instead of ads, have people have to pay a subscription fee to have more than N API integrations (and maybe a way for API devs to get some of that $, idk) and then let people actually build alternative clients
there used to be tons of alt clients but they nuked them years ago because it was costing too much ad revenue wrong direction; we've all suffered oh well, oops. not too late to change course though! this is a long game
@idontwa86202030 @visakanv there's no one answer to that, because "no school" has many possible versions in different directions. what would people be doing instead? would everybody be doing roughly the same "no school", or...?
@visakanv @made_in_cosmos Yeah! I can't stand when people just repeat the words verbatim though 🦜 I'm like "I have no idea if you understood what I have just said." and when it's something like someone partnering in Gendlin Focusing, I'm like "no, I meant what *I* meant by tangly, not whatever YOU mean"
@visakanv part of the injustice is that school insists it's for your benefit even when it isn't
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @jessicamalonso Saaaame
@idontwa86202030 @JoeysBarAndCult @default_dad @QiaochuYuan some P100s actually only filter incoming air and have a valve for breathing out! which is appropriate for their common use in industrial environments with some sort of dust or nasty particles in the air
@visakanv can you describe how you do that in relation to eg "research"
@RichardMCNgo @mbateman @Aella_Girl This is I guess still kind of anecdotal, but it names a dozen specific things most people learn in school, which I think most of us would agree are terrible lessons that shouldn't be the basis of a society.
@RichardMCNgo @mbateman @Aella_Girl Also school has fake competition. With eg soccer, you need to compete in order to assess skill. With eg math, pitting students against each other is absurd. Opt-in math competitions can be fun—I did them—but bell-curved zero-sum grading is clearly about status, not learning.
"The beauty of tools that compose is they surprise you" — @Conaw
I just tried to inhibit a sneeze long enough to mute my mic on zoom, and then just as I muted the mic the urge to sneeze suddenly vanished, almost as if I swallowed or inhaled it. At which point I *couldn't* sneeze. I'll keep you posted if it gets revenge 🤷♀️
Replying to @TetraspaceWest
@TetraspaceWest a NoFap parody I assume?
Replying to @metaflav
@metaflav @NathanpmYoung @bluesky if @bluesky hasn't reached out talked to @visakanv yet, that should be top of their queue
@RaveNectar what happened to the site? I wanted to order more stuff :(
Retweeted @visakanv
TLDR: real social media has not yet been tried. the media part has been moderately solved. kinda. meh. 2/5 stars. we can do b…
ahhh this diagram illustrates this really well
I'm going to save this tweet/thread and send it to everyone who hears I'm active on twitter and is like "that shithole?" or "that hellsite?" or "that dumpster fire?"
Retweeted @visakanv
this is one of my core obsessions, let me queue up some old relevant threads about this basically, social media creates trem…
@visakanv this thread is some of your best work so far
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
Alexander Technique is the skill of being able to let go of the thing you thought it was.
Retweeted @visakanv
none of us needs to be happy, well-adjusted, mature, enlightened, etc all the time we can *take turns* we can take care of…
Retweeted @Meaningness
@ssica3003 @Malcolm_Ocean Let us thank evolution for giving us annoying wrong people, without whose stimulus there would b…
Such a good graphic on the writing process! Was in that class but lost track of the image. keywords: beginning research, clues, interesting compression progress / time structure hasn't coalesced "I see it all so clearly now!" "obvious" too early / late twitter.com/sarahdoingthin…
One tip, if you've lost touch with the clarity: I also find that unless I actively now disagree with the thought I wanted to write up before, then I can get motivated to write it up again by seeing or remembering someone who does not get it
@imperialauditor @darpyu yeah say more?
Replying to @ElodesM
@ElodesM yeah I like how you're owning that it's about your own needs & limits, not saying that what they're doing is wrong *for them* still gotta somehow dovetail it with this though
@ElodesM link to podcast? I'm curious
@hormeze wait for tha drop youtube.com/watch?v=GfwjKL…
@nclaurence How's the thesis going?
getting a company off the ground is arguably more *counterintuitive* than it is *hard*
at the time I wrote this, I hadn't gotten the insight as deep into my bones as I now have, & I still have much further to go but the insight is still legit & the articulation is good & your integration will be yours anyway no matter how well I had it integrated when I wrote it
What if we made a zoomquilt together... zoomquilt.org
nature: *calls* me: hang on, I've gotta take this
@hormeze oh wait—lol, I already shared this with you on a call live I think anyway, it's still very good, though it's a different amount of bass than eg Acai Tower
@hormeze in that case, take Funk Blaster youtube.com/watch?v=04GVf_…
I'm the kind of guy who doesn't want to be an indispensable part of your morning routine every day but wants to know how to make your coffee just how you like it so on mornings when I'm up early and you're running late I can greet you with an unexpected abundance
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
PCT dream adventures! 😴 Part A: If comfortable threshold exceeded, empty bladder Part B: If asleep, do NOT decrease bla…
@fortelabs meanwhile @Conaw is like:
What do you want to make happen in the world or in your own life, that feels exciting to you?
Completely nuts that Android has had widgets for a decade and most apps don't offer any, or eg Photos has a memories one but no way to bookmark straight to an album. Kindle book widgets! Podcast-subscription widgets! GDrive ones do exist actually!
@brunowinck @Visualmapper @fortelabs 2022: "Building a Second Brain in Obsidian (but you can use any interlinky note-taking app, the tool doesn't really matter)" 2023: another convo where @Conaw says "yeah that was true 6mo ago but now the tool matters because there's a better tool"
does anyone have a roam/js script that automatically extracts text & images from tweet urls you paste in, so that if the tweet is deleted you still have it later? me & @SarahAMcManus both really want this guessing @visakanv would too
@DanielleFong the holy grail
if you can't beat 'em, ccccccrjkungivnbivnkjlivvkulbkithbvgkccguuvr
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
Good lord, what brought on this sudden episode of keysmash glossolalia all over the tl? Ingroup twitter egregore, did y…
damn how's that uhh "no negotiations" going? very curious what this decision process actually looked like around GWB. internally to the white house, who was arguing which sides, or was it unanimous? twitter.com/edzitron/statu…
Thread · Why overcorrecting beats chronic undercorrection · 4 of 5 tweets
if you aren't overcorrecting, you're undercorrecting and only a series of overcorrections can actually get you to where you're going chronic undercorrections always miss
ofc, overcorrection can go off the rails if the new overcorrection is WORSE than the old one and undercorrection can eventually converge, but in the process, it has to "overcorrect" on a different level of abstraction, by passing the target altogether!
all solutions create new problems some solutions create WORSE problems some solutions end up creating *pareto* worse problems, ie situations that are not *in any way* better than the original situation
school trains this out of people by treating mistakes as something to be avoided rather than as a natural part of the learning process there are other approaches to learning!
I really want this to be a meme 💀💀💀 I made mine riffing on someone else's (account now locked) and I'd love to see where y'all have found your respective fears of death hiding.
@dthorson short thread I just wrote that talks about overcorrections and solutions creating worse problems:
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thinking about how roam #koan and roam [[koan]] point to the same page (so does koan::) and wondering if there's a way to do use/mention distinction with that 🤔
I guess I'm actually also wondering if there should be 1 or more additional ways to refer to a page in roam, that can both read distinctly-usefully (or mention-fully) when reading, and also be easily queried. Many of these would just want another tag, like #example of #koan, ig
@visakanv yoooo legit peeps, feel free to tell me where y'all's fear of ostracization is hiding too!
@SarahAMcManus just found one of the snarkiest wikipedia cleanup comments en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celosia_a…
Retweeted @ricvolpe
Humans spend centuries fighting each other physically before realising that they could set up a system that would allow them…
@SarahAMcManus @dispirateparts yes. Leo P!
Replying to @dispirateparts
@dispirateparts these tweets are rly good and I'd love to see the non-sensitive parts of this thread redone in a public form!
Replying to @qchurious
@qchurious huh, distinct from like, people iterating on trying to articulate things ever-better? or is that the same / also wears on you?
@gptbrooke had a ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 coaching session last week, that made a huge difference and that I've been using as an excellent case study (blog post transcript to come)
Replying to @_Sowellsista_
@_Sowellsista_ 21 then 23 were both "best year of my life so far" the last year has been extremely fruitful but also profoundly challenging and painful. those fruits are starting to compound tho so I have a decent bet on 2022 (age 30) being the new "best year of my life so far"
@uberstuber can link to a specific part of a page can refer very easily to utterances without just "that thing Bob said earlier" inline references→can SEE who has referenced utterances "if a piece of writing is tight and cohesive" I don't use Roam for that stuff usually. That's my blog.
Retweeted @uberstuber
Why do you love using block references? ELI5 twitter.com/manunamz/statu…
Retweeted @LordChisholm
Latest episode out now! I hope y'all like more meta and loopy conversations about embodiment and awareness, this time wit…
> if you listen to ppl they'll tell you the weirdest bloody things, so fast you cannot believe it. so if you're having a conversation with someone & it's dull, it's because you're not listening to them properly. because they're weird! they're like wombats! youtube.com/watch?v=oBoAAT…
Thread · Recursive koans about rules, decisions, and meta-negotiation · 1 of 15 tweets
Shall we agree to disagree, or would it be best for both of us if we didn't even agree on that?
There's now a page showing that @CompliceGoals is signed up for Stripe Climate and that we've already contributed hundreds of dollars towards carbon removal just in the last few months! ift.tt/3gbiFqz
some of y'all have really been working on living your best lives and loving yourselves and it shows 😍🥲💪🤯
Just had an excellent convo w/ @ricvolpe and @LordChisholm about "regulator jams", ie people intercalibrating their perceptual control systems in contexts like dance, language, science. Deeply relevant to SCENES. And we recorded it & we're going to edit it and put it online!🚀
Retweeted @LordChisholm
Respond QTing yourself about the matching/search/networking/compatibility/declared vs revealed preferences/apparent-type…
@LordChisholm not really central to what you're pointing at but here's a thing re revealed prefs:
@metakuna @eigenrobot I mean in some places/situations it's hard to get another lease without past-landlord references I guess.
@metakuna @eigenrobot Not relevant here though since I think they've already got the next place secured.
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa ❤️🔥🚀 global city tipping point
Replying to @beaugunderson
@beaugunderson @sashachapin I mean that's english "photograph" and "photography" don't have any syllables in common
man it's so hard to figure out when I'm supposed to be working and breaking when the thing I'm debugging is my app's Pomodoro timer 😅😅
@KasraKaley A brain stuck in a not-fully-developed state might be a disadvantage, but a still-developing brain might even be an advantage! Perhaps it's kinda both, and the question is to figure out how to leverage it.
Replying to @abhayance
@AbhayPrasanna fuq
@Human__Age Centering distractions: blog.complice.co/post/891377149…
@KasraKaley I'd be curious what you'd get out of learning about Iain McGilchrist's brain hemisphere model! Here's a decent intro I summarized awhile back:
@hormeze idk about greatest but at the local acro/flow jam someone had a fake zoom call rig where you could talk to someone through two frames and there was a little mirror for "self view"
Oh huh, it occurred to me that this video is in adjacent territory! (via @utotranslucence iirc 🙏) youtube.com/watch?v=4wdeBJ…
@RichardMCNgo @alexeyguzey not at all the same but I watched this yesterday and was reminded of it by this thread and it's funny and about fame and jealousy so here goes 😛 (a music video about a Lil Dicky bodyswap with Chris Brown) youtube.com/watch?v=aZla1t…
Retweeted @__femb0t
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@goblinodds even brutaller
Replying to @firechaser4
@firechaser4 @hellotushy @BudMurraySports underrated twete
the first clue was this tweet ("huh, I wonder what this is apropos of?")
the second clue was this tweet (me, still waking up: "what does onlyfans have to do with bidets?")
but it still took me until actually searching "onlyfans" in twitter and seeing this, that I realized what yesterday's main timeline topic was
continuing to be amazed at the terrible metaphor design of calling the thing you get woken up by an "alarm" clock what time of day would you like to be ALARMED? 🤦♀️😬😅
@aphercotropist 3.18
@Meta_Pancake or maybe it's part of the kid exploring how to affect the world, which they *need* to do as part of onboarding, otherwise they'd be naive
tempted to refer to parenting / growing-up as "onboarding" from now on
@utotranslucence I'm thinking less about app onboarding and more about like, onboarding into a company it's like, what's the onboarding experience of joining a given society? a lot of them are honestly pretty shitty but yeah, flipping the metaphor is also good!
@made_in_cosmos yeah, I think being awoken by people you love is approximately the way to do it obviously someone has to wake up first, but whoever that is can just wake up when they wake up, ideally
@SpeakingBee @metakuna @eigenrobot ah yeah no my response was a critique of the quoted tweet I guess, of like "why not just break a 12mo lease?"
@miro23 eh, yeah you could let the youtuber know based on the comments, he's been responsive to feedback in the past!
Replying to @youarezera
@youarezera @relic_radiation ah, good point
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
The simplest, most powerful thing I have returned to again and again in working with aversions has been the difference…
people will use whatever slack they have to disabuse themselves of whatever naivety they have
@RomeoStevens76 This is gold. How'd you come to see the "some part of me has decided I'm ready for this" part clearly?
all your years are formative years
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth maybe she likes being kicked off
@Meta_Pancake agreed, with the caveat of "we don't do that here" ideally doesn't contain needs to not contain any subtle aggression, which imx is rare. like ideally I would want to convey to my kid "we don't do that here, but it's totally okay that you're trying it to find out"
Retweeted @KasraKaley
What are we really learning in school? How would @Malcolm_Ocean teach the cold war? via @Racket100! …
Just did my first Rackets (9min audio recs) with @KasraKaley! This is a really cool platform guys. Stoked to hop on a lot more of these over the coming weeks & months & years.
@utotranslucence this 👇, starting with: - my own parts - friends into small team - whatever else makes itself known to me and fits
@visakanv @Shurs Hmmmm.... there's a few dimensions of it. The conscious growth thing I haven't seen that many people talk about. In different ways, I've seen @Aella_Girl & @webdevMason reflect on what it means to have one's account get more followers. But less clear what their long-games are.
@visakanv @Shurs Regarding QTs and the mindcity... @GRITCULT and @ultimape are two that have been doing that for longer than I have. Though both a bit more own-meta-threads and less reply-game+QTs.
@visakanv as another datapoint, I've grown slowly from 2k-5k (almost 2 years) and I've not noticed any increase in abrasive people (or in total # of replies, kinda lol 😅) so I think it probably was partially the sudden growth that did it, more than the number
@ultimape @visakanv @Shurs @GRITCULT
@reddy2go your image is amazing
from my notes: on 2017-06-06, I decided to dramatically shift twitter strategy towards being able to have actual conversations with people. I nearly want to unfollow everyone, but for some reason I appear to be doing it piecemeal. did like 150 the first night though
@GretchenAMcC I just came across this and I'm rofling 🤣🤣🤣
Had a short call today with someone who is 14! For context, Twitter is 15 years old.
@visakanv 2nd old gem I've found of yours by searching `from:visakanv how meet`
...meanwhile, the people that Visa was referring to are now in their early 20s! (neat also that that tweet got no likes or RTs at the time, but was rediscovered via search!)
the age difference on my call today made for great parallax on education, as we attended to questions like "how would one go about finding out how communism worked or didn't work?"
how many satoris in one bitcoin again?
Retweeted @captain_mrs
relationship scorecard: number of promotions/career-jumps/major-life-goal improvements you help each other achieve + numb…
@captain_mrs @me_ander relationships are made out of "you had to be there"
@reddy2go @KasraKaley I'm so stoked to play witchu!
@reddy2go @KasraKaley also I just properly had a look at this gif and it is too good.
Replying to @quotidiania
@quotidiania > The principle might honestly be better phrased as "remember there is a connection, to the degree you can and that is not harmful to you" Wow, I love that rephrase! Both the specifics & the general shift from commitment to awareness-as-workably-available
@SarahAMcManus @franzanth me as I read through these tweets: "but going out on a limb..."
Retweeted @ricvolpe
I spent some time diving into @Malcolm_Ocean threads. Over the past few years, Malcolm shared some fascinating thoughts that…
Replying to @GoldenbergMalt
@GoldenbergMalt they mostly just do this for accounts that don't have "enough" notifications, but I agree, it's bad
@hormeze love that slappin' bass
have you noticed the "More Tweets" bullshit when you load a twitter link that was shared somewhere else? (eg slack). This tweet has no replies—why is its permalink noisy? it's because of the ?s=21 in the url I just wrote a userscript to fix it! Install: gist.github.com/malcolmocean/b…
Retweeted @utotranslucence
There are more of these stories than we know. VV was lucky and skilful and courageous, and survived. …
@Hail_Corporate I have done this and it's very good and way less alarming.
@visakanv Oh so true, yeah. More scene than before, and we helped make it.
@deevbrain to a first approximation, in some sense of the word. if someone is rich, they have somehow avoided getting scammed out of their money or dumping it all into stocks that crash I think this generalizes, basically. but maybe there's multiple dimensions also I like "naïveté" lol
@nibrasibn @utotranslucence yesss let's talk
@ricvolpe @tjrwriting Most people don't realize how meta you really need to go tho. Most would-be meta-protocols still make assumptions about how things need to be done their way. But that's to be expected at this stage! short vid on this concept: youtube.com/watch?v=Y8obOM…
Replying to @qchurious
@qchurious oh yeah, I hate that
@fiddlemath hm, I guess a few ways I could say that... might have something to do with this:
@fiddlemath another pointer is that I'd say that getting a company to be really *successful* is hard but getting it off the ground is not, depending on the company
Replying to @ElodesM
@ElodesM yeah, X is potentially wrong for them on net, but I'd hazard still not wrong for the part of them that's in fact responsible for doing it
@ElodesM but also this caveat:
@rmbalt @liminal_warmth @visakanv oh man I want this so bad each time I tried to use AI dungeon for smut, I ended up in some sort of mind-linking scenario realized the pattern 3rd time and was like whoa. diff genres too, one high fantasy, one cyborg, one more oglaf-y!
Btw: recent twitter update also put way more blocks to using Twitter logged out. Used to be just couldn't see who QT'd or liked but now sometimes can't click thru to tweets at all. annoying at first but that IS why I'm not logged in on phone, so
So @ricvolpe reached out saying he was interested in getting to know my ideas better, & I said I'd love if someone aggregated all the threads I've written, for reference & for ease of making them into blog posts. And he did! And found >70 threads! 😮 Grand meta-meta-thread:🎩🧵
@alt_tatsu oh interesting! wouldn't have thought of feeling this basically trusting that new people setting up such things are prioritizing in some way that makes sense for them and that might also be affected ofc by me putting out my own interest! over-abundance of possibilities mindset
@relic_radiation > “every emotion, even the ones our society exiles, is an important helper” yes, absolutely ❤️🔥 I'm the only person I'm aware of who has even tried rehabilitating *complaint*!
@ElodesNL @ricvolpe I kinda can't either! It's downstream of me having put out that if someone thinks my work is super cool and wants to help me with it, then we could probably find something worth them doing! I've confronted some fear of entitlement in order to learn to ask for things like that.
twitter search being weird. sometimes shows no results but search again & it works fine 🤷♀️ cc @paperlemonade; I know you're a designer, not database dev, but wanted to make sure it's on @twitter's radar and you seemed like a good person to ask given this: twitter.com/paperlemonade/…
@TPSReport @nosilverv most maps of terrain don't have any right answers on them unless you mean "correct" as in correct map-territory correspondence, but even there *for what purpose*? I'd say @nosilverv's comment still applies just as strongly
Retweeted @PrinceVogel
Sensuality has been cornered into the erotic and I'm very upset about this. A reverse-castration of Dionysus - made only i…
@PrinceVogel @nobu_hibiki oho, have you checked out the brain hemisphere stuff I've been posting? very relevant this thread cites a different book, but talks about the same hall of mirrors effect of the left hemisphere that McGilchrist does
@ElodesNL @ricvolpe (the context of my putting that out is on my Work With Me page) malcolmocean.com/work-with-me/
@PrinceVogel huh, yeah was just now thinking about how being naked is seen in a lot of contexts as an act of aggression or tantalization, rather than one of vulnerability and presence and it reminded me back of this tweet
Fascinating article on how the American no-forgiveness approach to fighting in Afghanistan was profoundly at odds with the local culture of how wars actually get resolved. scholars-stage.org/fighting-like-…
don't knock it til you grok it
Thread · What I got out of playing Hades · 18 of 19 tweets
Thread on what I got out of Hades (video game) Has a few game element spoilers but doesn't actually talk about the story plot much so probably fine for most people 😊
I got into it via @visakanv. This tweet sold me on it 👇 Built-in encouragement! The game really does live up to that. Hell/Hades tries to sell you on "there is no escape" but the larger frame of the game makes you not buy it and inspired to try again 😤
There was something really satisfying about beholding the rich archetypes of the various Greek gods that support you. They all have strong, distinct, multi-faceted personalities, and encourage you in different ways. The underlying message is always:
You also get to see pairwise relationships between the Olympian gods, both re personalities & in terms of the different ways they make you more powerful or change their attack style. The combinatorics are a lot, and make every run different, even as you gain overall familiarity.
Some chambers are "Trial of the Gods", where you have to pick one of two gods to accept a boon from first, & then the other tries to smite you. But after a short battle with the usual underground dudes while dodging lightning bolts or whatever, they forgive you!
This forgiveness and fighting-not-meaning-relationship-threat theme goes a lot deeper and permeates a lot of the game. We all have to bear our choices, and if you're immortal, eventually you get bored of holding grudges! Which doesn't mean you get bored of *fighting*!
Fighting—the contest of wills, wits, & wiles—is a pretty fundamental aspect of being. Now, if you're mortal, you don't want to fight to the death unless something even more important is on the line, but that's why we have sports and games and uhh status competitions 😅
But I can kinda see how if I were immortal, it could be cool to be lovers with someone who I also fight to the death periodically! For us mortals, there's wrestling your partner, or something like this:
It's been cool to have contact with a metaphor of death being a temporary setback. It helped me feel in touch with other reincarnation myths, and some recognition of how emotional flashbacks are a bit like dying and resetting to an earlier save point.
Anyway, as I wrote about in this thread👇 I've been playing more games lately and it's been inspiring thoughts on the nature of motivation. I'm trying not to use those insights to justify why I play games though. Games are fun! It's satisfying to improve.
But yeah, there's a lot of juice there. How can I add excellent gamelike elements to my own life & work, and to the productivity app I'm working on? It'll be "what if gamification, but good tho?"
In brief, as I see it, meh-gamification just sticks points and badges on top of stuff. It's an extra layer of fake proxy rewards, designed to tip the scale of an internal conflict. Gamification-but-good-tho gets you in touch with the real rewards & pleasures & fun of your work!
@visakanv captioned this meme below "unclear vs clear reward" Which it is! But there's so much more: 🎯 tough but reachable goals 🌀 tight feedback loops 👣 clear next actions 🤷♀️ failure not scary 🤔 visible choices 💠 and more! twitter.com/OldMemeArchive…
Some design Qs for complice.co, inspired by Hades: - how can I make multigoal intentions feel more like Duo Boons? ♥️+🔥→❤️🔥 - how can I help people see other ways in which their goals help each other out? - is a day like a Hades run? 🤯😮🤔
- how can I encourage people to try & fail & try again, rather than struggling to get started? 📈 These 3 short phrases actually came to me when I asked myself "how do I want people to feel when they use Complice?"
- how can I improve the text shown to the user in Complice to better incorporate what I know about them? Hades does a *brilliant* job of this. Complice is already way better than most apps at presenting contextual info, but so much room for improvment. youtube.com/watch?v=bwdYL0…
PS: I wrote this thread while listening to Hades soundtrack, which I highly recommend if you don't want to play the game. I've spent many hours listening to the Transistor soundtrack by the same game studio & musicians! (tho have never played the game) youtube.com/watch?v=3GRKJ8…
PPS: video game music is a whole different thing now than it used to be in the gameboy days. Nothing against chiptunes either, but yeah. I sent this to my mom the other day:
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"is a day like a Hades run?" is probably the best question here - can't do everything worth doing in one day - gotta ma…
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@visakanv this thread was inspired in part by a tweet you had that I can't find, which is something like whenever you do something, write up what you learned
@MasterTimBlais @Rididelduol ha, fun!
Replying to @dispirateparts
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ime, it can be really discouraging when progress seems state dependent (“if only I were in that other state!“). but,…
@mechanical_monk @MasterTimBlais could say tho that within X years you'd expect one or more of {nuke war, crazy biotrrorism, great depression, singularity, VR tipping point, bitcoin tipping point} and it's uhh hard to plan for all of those at once
@nickcammarata Yesssssssss I really love this cover of that song
@nickcammarata curious what the same lyrics, melody, etc, do for you, with a totally different voice & instrumentation texture
@utotranslucence @uncatherio if it's weird to love someone for their logistical skill, I don't wanna be normal (I mean I guess we already knew that, but still)
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It’s why I see @uncatherio creating @microcovid as one of the most loving things someone could have done in that situa…
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When I was a kid I was obsessed with this writer called Jackie French. She wrote kids fantasy and gardening books and…
@Austen Yeah, so bizarre too, because books are a commodity and they could have even better lock-in if their platforms were better. I have a rant on what I want to see from ebook readers, if anyone's looking for inspiration:
@egocv I... duck? 😬
idea 💡...basically 21st century barn-raising Business Prototype Launch Hackathon one person has a business idea, something that could have an initial offering with 1-2 days of work by a handful of people and... then we make it happen!
@visakanv > the music behind the 90s Disney Renaissance sry for me that just has to be Phil Collins 😉
@nolemonnomelon @hornydiscogirl I have adopted "gals" as the female form of "guys", and it seems to work pretty well
Replying to @hornydiscogirl
@hornydiscogirl @nolemonnomelon I remember an early partner of mine, when we were like 18, looking at me and being like "mmmm... man" and it was satisfying and also a little scary to be like "huh, I am not just a boy I guess!"
@utotranslucence Excellent! Who else is in? Let us know what skills and/or appetites you're bringing to the table—also if you'd like to be the source at the center of such a project!
@visakanv & @m_ashcroft: idea for bootstrapping more feral free agents
@jamiemchale @ProductForge Sounds awesome. Any tips for making them go well?
Replying to @diviaprocessing
@diviaprocessing it's surprising the extent to which parts basically haven't heard of talking to each other! I have a blog post coming out soon that case-studies this—I can DM you a draft if you want 😊 would be keen to get your thoughts. it's a sequel to this one: malcolmocean.com/2021/07/intern…
sure, orgasm is great and all, but have you tried having a bunch of ideas & experiences & models & perspectives all click into greater coherence at once?
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I went to bed thinking about some information management challenges in my work, and now I’m awake at 428am with a sense that…
"spellcheck"... 🧐 you mean "neologism highlighter"?
@edelwax @utotranslucence oh_no.png 😅😉 ...meaning network thing? Tell me more!
@jamiemchale @ProductForge Mmm yeah talking sounds like a good idea! My original vision of this was imagining just one project per hackathon, but I guess there could be some use in parallelizing things, particularly if eg someone's skills (mine, for instance!) are high-leverage w just an hour's comment.
We could do a meta one of these, to launch the concept itself. Part of me wants that to be the first one but I think it'll be better to just start object-level and then after doing 5-10 we'll have the expertise to launch something more turnkey.
@BlackForestBoi we could maybe do some interesting steward ownership stuff here, where hackathon participants get an $X000 payback out of future profits once they exceed some substantial threshold thoughts?
"made your whole year in a week too ya" - The Weeknd thinking about that lyric, but wrt my past self, as I see a deposit from one account into another that is around the size of what 2012-me was aiming to make yearly
Yo @m_ashcroft this journal has an article on Memory Reconsolidation and Alexander Technique: "deep release for body and soul" ift.tt/2Wlsj2D
@visakanv @m_ashcroft what do you have in mind? let's jam on the idea depending on what it is, might be down to cohost again
@visakanv @m_ashcroft fyeah @GRIFTGURU
@OceanDualism @m_ashcroft psychopathic or more like crusades against evil that themselves generate evil? I guess the latter falls under "good intent", tho it includes several dictators responsible for millions of deaths
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no thread is too bad too put out there it is not my responsibility to reject sending it out before the algo does but i c…
@NathanpmYoung @visakanv Yesssss I also thought of this interview.
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The thing I really enjoy about this exchange between Obama and Seinfeld is that you can see that they’re both very curious pe…
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the problem is this exact sentiment would have resonated 30 years ago. yes, things have improved over time. but how much, an…
@grassyfndz one answer: I have stuff to say and it's often easier to start here than elsewhere (tho I also write a lot elsewhere) easier because: - simple structured format - people to reply to to "you're wrong on the internet" to another answer: I want to connect with people who vibe w me
@AnneSelke nice, great differentiation here
@SH2F088 @Tjdriii or.... the way I did it was I chose electives deliberately to stack classes on Tues/Thurs, and ALSO did schoolwork only on those days, and then MWF were free for coding on my app! (all part of my plot to not need to get a job on graduation, which worked super well)
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This kills me how-i-experience-web-today.com
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@peternlimberg is mediating the meme-wars again and we should all give a nod. I like the way he distills the two sides…
Replying to @TenreiroDaniel
@TenreiroDaniel I normally am not a "collect mental models" guy but this tweet is 😙👌
@learning_sprite > "there has never been such a uniquely talented and wonderfully weird group of people on Earth" oh man I love this feeling and it's so seductive and beautiful have described it as feeling like part of a pantheon important not to overly reify it tho
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This is great energy, may it spread far and wide twitter.com/DaltonDEmery/s…
@FryeSouthrop @DarbraDawn large enough classes (>80) might not even notice if you just sit in the lectures also, and at >40 they probably won't notice if you're there from the start of term 🤷♀️ make sure to either ask good Qs or no Qs tho I guess
@utotranslucence nice
@visakanv > Posted in r/AskReddit by u/BigOl-ShlongDong
@visakanv NYNYNYNY
@visakanv reverse... reverse... psychology?
@visakanv first thing that comes to mind is Bret Victor's piece "What Can a Technologist do About Climate Change? (A Personal View)" worrydream.com/ClimateChange/
@visakanv he's like awwshiieet
@visakanv @ricvolpe I believe there were also situations where monks copied some texts (I forget if religious or mathematical) by hand that they themselves couldn't even READ, as part of the sacred preservation of knowledge. ...which is fucking based.
@visakanv @ricvolpe It's a fascinating precisely-opposite problem to our current one. They had a scarcity of information and had to duplicate it. We have an abundance of information and need to curate & organize it.
I periodically feel the need to rant about terribly-designed products, and I decided I would experiment with doing that on YouTube rather than at the people around me, so I can't be interrupted mid-rant but people can stop watching if they want 😅 youtube.com/watch?v=VCyQuj…
also @visakanv this involves me exploring the "What If It Were Good Tho?" idea a bit
I sometimes have to rant about what I hate before I can get to "what if it were good tho?" as a sincere question and not just a rhetorical one, but once I let the anger out I found my energy naturally inclined towards what I wanted
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Pause for a moment....
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"You will lose everything. Right now, we stand on sacred and holy ground. Impermanence has already rendered everything [..…
oh shit, I realized that afaict this is actually my url-bar quicksearches being broken! it consistently didn't work from there, but did work when I resubmitted the form, & I noticed the form was adding &src=typed_query to the url. Added that to my quicksearches & ✅ good to go
@QiaochuYuan idk if you're using url searches but this might be relevant
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa noice ideal scenario: do only stuff you feel like doing / would do for no money* and some of it also happens to pay *maybe except opportunity cost, to some degree, tho that's a slippery slope
@AskYatharth > the thing I'm imagining isn't a bunch of teams working in parallel, primarily, but each small event focused around getting one person's business actually off the ground > a lot of hackathons don't actually result in anything going forward - kinda short-sighted (from a gc)
@AskYatharth I've also discerned from the process of talking about this idea that "hackathon" is the wrong metaphor. I love the "high-energy single-use team" vibes it evokes, but for too many people it conjures up one or more of: - just coders - competition - redbull + no sleep
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I have begun to accept that we, as a society, will fail to defeat COVID, via vaccines or any other public health interventi…
@visakanv @m_ashcroft oh perfect, yes make real that it's a thing down to be on that
@ThatsMauvelous one tip is not to twitter on phone. way easier to just scroll there because typing & searching for stuff to QT is harder
@maybegray u rock @maybegray 🤜🤛
the words aren't the wisdom the wisdom is the sense they make
@sachinnbenny sometimes you gotta rederive it man
@Banjocatt music is good
@jondubin @AnneSelke hakomi seems like a very good integrated embodied thing, will give a +1, though I also don't have that much connection to it
@RomeoStevens76 got there first
@mengwong @visakanv yeah, this matches my experience in multiple dimensions: - my 2 strip club visits (not my idea) were meh, because I had no way to feel desired - sense that I'd rather have a satisfying flirty erotic mutual-desire vibe over the internet than sex that my partner isn't super into
@nickcammarata I pick the $ because magic buttons that permanently transform my brain are sus but handing me a million dollars of cash or bitcoin is a thing that could be done fairly cleanly/non-tangly wouldn't want to get enlightened without well-organized particulars!
@QiaochuYuan I would say that these were a mistake "in some sense", but not "on some level". (according to the gut part of me responsible for answering polls 🤷♀️)
I'm expecting a cryptocurrency onlyfans clone to show up in the next month or two. Even if only 1% of creators migrate and only 1% of their followers come with them… OF was on track to $1B revenue this year, so that's still real money! (ofc depends on *which* 1%)
idk what the best way to do *subscriptions* with cryptocurrencies is these days, like is there an ethereum smart contract one can activate for that? might be tough to create, but not tougher than the marketing problem, which is currently made a lot easier by recent news
@this_is_silvia have you seen raminnazer.com? a bunch of these remind me of his art, although also very different I could imagine you having a similar t-shirt & poster store though!
@this_is_silvia holy shit this texture is so good liquidy but also rock but also alive but also music ...I feel like I wanna use this for something tho I don't know what yet. maybe also album art
@this_is_silvia ...oooh... maybe this wants to be my new twitter header image?
@utotranslucence it'll be better if it's on this account, because it'll get more readily intertwingled with other you-ness rather than feeling brand-y or shticky or grifty or something
@WeftOfSoul I have just discovered I wanted to sign up for your patreon and have now selfishly done so muaha
@cheascake can't wait for pics
@CountJ0ecool @deevbrain do it! what sorts of rants do you have for the world? complaining is sacred
@edelwax @natural_hazard @Morphenius @RichDecibels @AnneSelke totally random but I came across this fascinating article yesterday about oaths and it seemed like something that you might find useful in relation to this pledge you're working on acoup.blog/2019/06/28/col…
hey @tasshinfogleman, what are your plans for the winter and avoiding SAD this year?
Replying to @sheherenow_
@jongold @tasshinfogleman I know, I asked him when the best time for a reminder would be and he revised it to "late Aug early Sept"
@deepfates @ethanshamilton *sigh* did they forget to ask the most important question: what if it were good tho? seems like people are fucking around without actually thinking deeply about the metaphor, which was never really coherent in the first place
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth @QiaochuYuan I'm probably down to comment on / share some of your weird linkedin posts if you DM them to me also omg are we not connected on linkedin yet? I'd love to add you to my professional network! ...😬😉
Replying to @liminal_warmth
@liminal_warmth this related tweet just showed up in my timeline
@liminal_warmth huh, found myself just riffing "the point of linkedin isn’t to get a job it’s to make yourself employable" kind of in the spirit of this:
@anesmithbeck most therapists already have about enough work to do the bottleneck would be on training more which might be technically hard, but if even if you succeeded it would be socially hard because it'd create more supply which would lower rates which existing professionals would fight
@anesmithbeck not to mention
the fact that we can't tune the algorithms of sites like facebook & twitter to serve what we care about rather than their ad profits ...is—given that alternatives don't exist because of network lock-in—a matter of profound disrespect & indignity.
@tasshinfogleman thank you for letting me know how to be such a good friend to you! couldn't have done it without you 😉❤️🔥
what things are rated pretty highly but still underrated?
I didn't tell you sooner because by the time I realized I wasn't telling you I was too afraid that I wouldn't have a good answer to why I didn't tell you sooner.
@AnneSelke @LordChisholm this seems related to your vibe yo @AnneSelke want to interview Eric on his reverse podcast?
what's the metamodern column?
@nickcammarata checks out
huh, surprisingly difficult feels to me like for me the categories are defined by the top in class like I don't have a favorite song, but I could name dozens of songs that are all at the pareto frontier of greatness (among songs I'm aware of) but then "third"—in what direction?
Canadian political party releases bad memes on purpose to take advantage of dunk-based amplificatons If you were on the fence about needing a reason to stop amplifying things you don't want to see more of, uhhh look no further.
@made_in_cosmos @visakanv another angle is to see if you can find the sacred value underneath the complaint, and exalt that
in case it's not clear, amplifying stuff you don't want is just as bad of an idea even if the buffoons you want to dunk on are bad by accident rather than manipulative strategy
@visakanv I'm curious how you'd make the point above, if you were to QT the . Feels like there's an unusually good opportunity to amplify the "don't QT dunk" point really loud & clear here. aware you've been focusing more on this
it me
Retweeted @benskuhn
I keep thinking this should be common knowledge, and it’s still not, so time to harp a bit: On average, trying to do a PhD i…
wow, I've made $150 from amazon affiliates over the last 5 years from just using my affiliate tag periodically in my blog or tweets or even group chats it's not much, but it's not nothing it's also not particularly increasing, so this isn't a 📈🚀 kind of tweet
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Here's a simple technique that tells you when to sell your investments Never sell! Don't liquidate unless you need the mon…
what an dumbass thinks he can get people to check out his stuff using reverse psychology I'm onto him 🧐 you see this guy? I guess if you haven't seen this guy, here he is so you will recognize him in future when he's uhh being less overt with his grifting remember to call it out
Replying to @ponekarl
@ponekarl yup the tyranny of justification is a huge blocker to love of all kinds this is sort of what I'm pointing at here, actually:
icymi "weirdness points" are a bad metaphor you're not a kid you don't get a weekly allowance of weirdness from your dad that said, you do have to make it all fit together *somehow* even if not in a way anyone has seen before
Replying to @ponekarl
@ponekarl I was fairly close with him a few years ago; he clearly groks a lot of stuff in a really fresh way, and also I can tell he has a couple particularly tangly hangups, although idk quite what they are
> I don’t like to be broadcast to on sacred frequencies for an unsacred purpose 💥💥💥
Replying to @MauiMescudi
@MauiMescudi Nice! 🔥💪
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This is why - I’m totally serious - it’s important to have proper documentation and handover protocols. I’ve seen local mus…
let's brainstorm some more ideas for increasing EPMIUE
Replying to @m_altcroft
@m_altcroft given the past rship, could message the person directly "hey, DMing you because I don't want to be combative in public, but like, do you wanna actually talk about <tweet>? get on the same page or at least the same meta page"
@gptbrooke in some sense, neither feels necessarily particularly intimate to me, interestingly although both absolutely can be and usually are? ....I think I am a bit weird here. wait, no, it's not that they're not intimate, it's just that I love intimacy, including with strangers
@m_ashcroft @nbashaw @Julian I'm in this camp too although I currently feel like I've got at least a dozen pent-up blog posts that want to be unleashed, and am intending to set up a forcing function soon
to everyone who moved to another city, state/province, or country 🥂
Obvious things are worth saying. Sometimes they're the things most worth saying.
@ChanaMessinger I'd think it more embarrassing if you didn't ask yourself some important basic questions! Though that's also okay. Everything in good time. If these questions have now become obvious, now might be the time!
This is largely because what's obvious to you isn't necessarily obvious to others. (Which wasn't obvious to me until Keith Johnstone pointed it out in Impro!)
Replying to @__frye
@__frye I like this way better than people telling me to say it back. Not totally sure why, but I legit muted that phrase awhile ago because it was grinding my gears every time.
@lilaexpt divine play experiment? sign me the fuck up!
@lilaexpt depends but if you're a nerd with a serious condition I'd aim for something like librarian-gradstudent
Recently someone close to me had a random memory from childhood, not seemingly relevant or important, and I asked, spaciously: "what seems obvious or salient from that point of view?" ...and their response ended up revealing some deep psychological patterns & insights! 😮
to be clear, I'm not saying reify the distrust. it's simply the absence of trust. ask it what it would needs in order to trust. see if you can get it some version of that in a way that works for the rest of you. see if, in fact, that resolves the distrust—it may not!
One take: it was an extended visual art piece dressed up as a movie. People forget years later that it was 3D in theatres, and it was GORGEOUS and that was most of the point and what made it so amazing. People told people "you've gotta see this" and so everybody went.
also 🥵
@coyotespike @QiaochuYuan orly! that matches my sense of things but didn't actually know this I remember as a kid my parents training my classifier on a few different kinds of blueberry-sized round berries on our property & being told "these are bird berries, poisonous to humans, don't eat" 🔴🟠 but🫐✅
Retweeted @hormeze
I am excited to share this essay, which I have been working on for months. It's about meaning: what it's like to have too much…
@nosilverv I think eventually you weave a sufficiently tangled web that people catch you and then don't trust you tho I guess then you can just move to a new city and make up a new identity 🤷♀️ doesn't seem like a good way to live tho
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa what if I say it instead of you?
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@alt_visa @p_millerd yeah I think the gift energy people keep things a bit on the downlow so as to not get mobbed by randos
@visakanv best I've seen on this front is polis / vTaiwan / g0v, which is strategically incentivize-optimized for generating better ideas and there's no reason to think we can't do WAY better
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there's an interesting bit in The Big Short where Michael Burry reads through thousands of mortgages, which is how he discern…
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📖 in defense of paper books 📖 the last place I lived, we bought a lot of paper books (curated library of over 5000) this has a different kind of value in such a context, because the books become like guests in the house
some people talk about books as conversations with the authors having a book just on your device is like having a friend you only chat with, who never comes over and spontaneously bumps into your other housemates sure, you can make an introduction, but that's different
in addition to the simple value of someone who walks in the room being able to see who you're talking with from looking at the cover of the book you're reading they might also decide to strike up a conversation with them as well if you leave the book on the table
visitors to the house would often find themselves at the end of a 3h conversation with a pile of books sitting in front of them, for potential further exploration—or not; but it's a feeling of being introduced the physical books were atomic units in such a context, like QTs
none of these work in physical embodied space unless you have actual books, or maybe photocopies or similar distinct handleable objects we can do versions of this virtually—and we do! last night I tweeted about obviousness, and laid a breadcrumb to impro
there are of course advantages to virtual book-organizing, when it comes to precise references, remixing, tracing things back to sources, searching, and so on my defense of paper books is not an offense towards virtual books
but the virtual is not a replacement for the physical, if we're interacting in physical space! if you want to have a embodied & situated knowledge context, it needs paper books even if you end up reading epubs for better note-taking, the physical books still act as portals
@darpyu thanks for being my "person wrong on the internet today" ❤️🔥 (to be clear: I don't disagree that the original tweet is probably cope)
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oh, also, we could get way better at the digital version of the thing, both in terms of social technology and in terms of software
@abshekha @Rahul_J_Mathur another take:
@maltybegray ❤️🔥u
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa if you ever see me doing or articulating a thing that you think will attract unhinged folks, lmk I think I have some of my own things that'll keep me from it, but you'll see different stuff than me
2 amazing spontaneous calls today - one of them super technical (ssl & then yaml stuff) - another emotional (guided grief meditation) fuck scheduling
the other sane way to relate to a do-over is to do everything completely differently, not trying to fix regret or mistakes but trying to seek out entirely new mistakes & problems to have 😂 wondermark.com/c1481/
poly relationship with the past and the future
man wondermark is so good here's one on #TweetsAboutThisTrend and "main character on twitter" wondermark.com/c1523/
This is a really great playful live concert. 21st century funk, complete with calls to the bandmates to play (or not) @visakanv, curious what you think about (a) his whole vibe and (b) the stuff he says about the internet around 45mins (& how he says it) youtube.com/watch?v=24xGp1…
@BollingerBeans @visakanv more like crypto twitter should spend more time on @visakanv 🙃
@made_in_cosmos RNG
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa find a podcast that's sufficiently meta that you can debug this in real-time @LordChisholm's might be a good fit for that, especially since he's a bit of an audio gear nerd
@m_ashcroft perhaps you are several 😉
@MasterTimBlais I've held a kind of generic not-wanting-to-get-mobbed sense, but when I look at actual likely trajectories, I'm not that concerned, since it would take a fair bit of sustained effort to convince each of my hundreds of customers to stop paying for a service they like
@MasterTimBlais meanwhile, the more people are tweeting any tweets with a frame that negates the woke-is-law frame, the more it eases this including your tweet above!
@MasterTimBlais I feel like this is happening quite a lot already, and the more we talk about it in a kind of matter-of-fact non-combative way, not attacking the thing but just indicating that that's not how we roll, the faster & smoother it'll go
@imperialauditor for anyone tbh
@arcalinea of course not—this is what you've been training for!
@arcalinea @bluesky I think the genre-fitting way would be to talk to people on twitter who seem to be thinking about relevant stuff and who might have perspectives or know people, and play the game with them, and see what emerges! In other words:
@arcalinea @bluesky Which, of course, you're already doing by enthusiastically tweeting this very tweet—"How do I do this for @bluesky?" This is it. It's happening.
Excellent write-up by @ultimape on why Dunbar's number should be taken with an entire village of salt.
@sunofdopamine @visakanv I know right?! Wait just a moment… *touches ear like a newscaster or secret agent or something* …I'm hearing there may be another contender…! youtube.com/watch?v=bTpVAH…
@hormeze this is my aesthetic
Replying to @cbeams
@cbeams @Aella_Girl would probably be on the film poster 😅
Retweeted @coponder
reason #1028 I love rationalists: I was digging through our house supplements drawer (!) and found a bottle of placebo pills…
@Aella_Girl this is great would love to see it
Replying to @harshasriramesh
@harshas_ cool to be your 2nd follower! found you via looking in QTs for Jay's tweet
Getting some nice upward spiral going with Internal Trust-Dancing → the first case study led to a second! I've annotated this one with the 7 steps of the Therapeutic Reconsolidation Process from Coherence Psychology Inst. Learned a lot from doing that! malcolmocean.com/2021/08/intern…
@jondubin yeah I maybe fucked up and used 2 words for each, one for the mode (jamming/honing) and one for the move (riffing/correcting) malcolmocean.com/2016/05/honing…
@coyotespike @QiaochuYuan yes! understood that blueberries aren't compound I condensed my thought too much, to fit in the tweet, but it would have been something like "I knew that some small round berries, such as blueberries, were okay, but otherwise small round berries were considered suspect"
@ricvolpe see also @meditationstuff on "plandrels"
@MasterTimBlais yeah, it's the sort of thing where if you were doing something legit actually harmful then plausibly it could happen but not from a fracas over one poorly-worded tweet or something
Retweeted @AskYatharth
Malcolm has a more nuanced relationships the Coherence Therapy than some therapists I know. His perspectives are worth und…
@alt_visa @LordChisholm elaborating on this—his podcast is somewhat about the experience both people are having of how they seem to be showing up in the conversation / on the podcast he makes that kind of meta work really well youtube.com/watch?v=ozxskP…
@visakanv xD hmmmmm a little like this:
@BlackForestBoi debt agreements seem kinda meh though, and yeah, would require premature-in-some-cases incorporation I think it would make sense to keep anything like this informal til the tokenized version exists and maybe also "pay it forward" is a better vibe overall than "pay it back"!
@nbashaw @m_ashcroft @Julian I was maybe waiting on some other ones because I wanted this one to come right after the one it was a sequel of....? even though that doesn't really matter lol anyway, it's out now
the overlapping origin stories
@utotranslucence @tasshinfogleman (I also want that tweet about how you can see people learning their abilities! learning how to QT, search, etc)
@deepfates @ethanshamilton I will eventually. For now I'll recommend checking out the Tabs Outliner extension, which allows you to save (some) state without keeping tabs actually open in a window. chrome.google.com/webstore/detai…
@visakanv yes!
@Jeanvaljean689 @m_ashcroft my muscles seem more developed to smile on my dominant side - feels like a grin when I try on my left side, it doesn't easily feel like a real smile, just like some muscles
@__drewface @visakanv @mlegls @palladiummag yes, sorta tracking this in a backburner way I think there will be ways to scale/multiply it and I'm not yet sure how I have this on my Work With Me page: malcolmocean.com/work-with-me/
@MJPiercello @JoshuaLisec @zenpundit @eigenrobot @PezeshkiCharles @PersuasionRisng haaaa my first thought, on a first-pass of thinking I've parsed this, is that if it's missing self-evident observation it's some sort of bs or manipulation? but that feels like not what you're going for maybe this is a cool Q. I'm glad you tagged me!
@CountJ0ecool @visakanv @m_ashcroft > The question I didn't realize I'd been asking was how to remain feral while still fitting into society just enough Huh, curious how this particular tension showed up for you!
@this_is_silvia which ones do you vibe with most? I'd be happy to order you a shirt from his store! would be fun to have it be "the shirt Malcolm got me"
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@CountJ0ecool Yeah, sounds right. I guess there's a market for it if they made a v2 though.
@visakanv @anesmithbeck > my working assumption is that we need to train non-therapists to be therapeutic. coaches, teachers, managers, peers, influencers absolutely. in the limit, we need everyone. but gotta start somewhere
@visakanv @anesmithbeck > pay for the therapy of like the 500 most influential people in the world who are willing to receive it not bad. we could iterate on this
@visakanv @anesmithbeck yeah buy-in is very complex we could have a nuanced screening interview of some kind but also some of the most influential people probably aren't bottlenecked on being able to pay for it? hm hm hm
@AskYatharth this whole thread is great you've got enough of the generator to play with it yourself :)
I'll be off the TL until Sept 4 or 5, doing a virtual meditation retreat with @meditationstuff! 🧘♀️🤸♀️ If you miss me, I've left you with a 6000 word blog post in the meantime. If you wanna chat, copy it into a google doc and comment inline, then share ❤️🔥