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Resolving partner conflict through understanding, not normativity

18 tweets · April 2024 · 184 likes · 5 retweets · read on Twitter

"My wife refuses to get rid of old sex videos she made with her ex" redditors are like "who is wrong in this situation, me for wanting this or her for wanting that" — wrong question. you each want what you want. what do you want together? comments are closed so here's a thread

people keep turning to the social world to answer questions, trying to get support for their viewpoint based on what's normal or normative normies, maybe

Aneesh Mulye @aneeshm ·

A 'normie' is defined as one who: 1. Engages in normative reasoning, 2. Confuses/interweaves this seamlessly with causal reasoning, 3. (Compulsively) Externalises/projects/universalises this confusion, and 4. For whom this confusion+compulsion are psychologically load-bearing.

this seeking normalcy or normativity is a distraction from what will actually produce a resolution in this situation, which is: understanding your partner and helping them understand you

if you really got what the vids mean to her and she really got what the vids mean to you then it'd be clear what to do how could it be any other way?

Guy @nosilverv ·

If you’re synced then “what you want” is what you both want. Different wants, that need explicit negotiation, are not the cause of the problem but a symptom of the problem: lack of sync

but first you may have to allow the shock of discovering you're in a different world than you thought you were in and grieve the loss of that world you thought you were in

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

"if you grieve enough, you start wanting things that are actually on the table" — @johnsalvatier

(she may also have to grieve that she's not in the world where it's not a big deal to you! she may have been assuming it wouldn't be, because it wouldn't be for her if she were in your position. turns out you're differenter than you thought!)

anyway, having grieved that, you're left with a puzzle: we care about this a lot. we also both like our relationship. what do we do? what you need is humility: we don't actually know how much the other person cares, or why, and how it would change our own sense if we took it in

there's a good chance* that when you dig into what's going on for the other person, you'll find something you also care about and want to honor, even if just because they do (*if the relationship is otherwise pretty good and you're not already looking for an excuse to end it)

"Maybe I'm the delusional one. She was so passionate that I now sit here wondering if I'm missing something." You are ABSOLUTELY missing something. And so is she, if she can't understand why you're upset about it. But the thing you are missing cannot be found on the internet!

what you're missing is: - why what she's doing and saying actually makes sense to her - why it DOESN'T feel to her to be at odds with the marriage she has with you - what she means by "unfair" - ...undoubtedly more. only she can tell you this. but you have to listen

listening will be hard while you feel not understood about how upset you are. while she doesn't get you, everything she says will probably have a vibe of "and this is reasonable/appropriate" even as it sure doesn't feel that way to you! —doesn't mean she doesn't care about that!

in general, with listening, someone has to go first. this can create a paradox given how hard it is to listen while you feel like it's smashing against what you know the solution is to first fortify what you know by listening to yourself:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

Three steps for empowered dialogue: 1. see & affirm your own perspective deeply 2. hear the other person & take their perspective to their satisfaction 3. when they feel so heard that they can't help get curious about how you're seeing things, share your own perspective

in this case, that looks like really being like "this matters to me! I'm not just gonna be 'whatever!' while I feel that she isn't holding her sexuality as being solely for me" (however it feels to you, which may not have that at its core!)

it might even involve talking to some close friends, who can empathize with how you feel about it without making her wrong. I wouldn't recommend reddit tho hey wait...

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

what about a subreddit that instead of /r/amiwrong or "Am I The Asshole?" is more about helping people take both perspectives on conflicty situations? would be way more wholesome in many cases

and then once you feel secure in your own view, that you're not going to lose touch with it if you take her point of view, you can turn to her and say "tell me about why this matters to you, and I'll do my best to listen"

and if it becomes hard again, you can say "hang on, I need a moment to affirm my own viewpoint better so that I can take in yours" and then do that until you can listen again

one key element of listening to yourself can be to say to yourself (and mean) "I'm not just going to suck it up and put up with this feeling of upset forever. I'm going to find a way to resolve this one way or another." which hopefully will mean being heard by her/the marriage

oh man turns out the original thread IS open, so I went and left a comment there: reddit.com/r/amiwrong/com… it begins:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

you're not an asshole for wanting her to delete them. she's not an asshole for wanting to keep them. either of you becomes an asshole at the point when you insist that you get your way regardless of how the other feels.