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Two kinds of dancing: trance submission vs conversational movement

14 tweets · April 2022 · 70 likes · 0 retweets · read on Twitter

whoa @Aella_Girl put words to a thing I've been feeling aware of for years and haven't quite been able to name: there are 2 totally different kinds of dancing I feel like I could have literally written this blog post. Every word matches my experience. knowingless.com/2018/09/07/dan…

when I hear trance music, I'm like: there's nothing there! it's all the same! gotta admit, I've been pretty judgmental of this, treating it as just bad rather than good-in-its-own-way. I once got into the trance, randomly (sober!) idk why it happened! it was decent.

Maybe 2 things here tho? I feel like most trance dancers *are* submitting to the music, & they're not doing anything interesting because the music isn't (tho it may feel good) This is different from eg breakdancing, where the beats are minimalist & the dancers do moves on top

I feel sorta vindicated by this tweet (someone who used to like Type 1 dancing talking about how they don't find it compelling anymore) which seems to prove my point about Type 1 being lesser. which is not to say you shouldn't enjoy it if you do

Leona @dismaien ·

6/ I used to need that constriction because I wasn't able to truly let go, to just be and feel. Now I am. This may be the first time I genuinely felt like club culture doesn't have much more to give or teach me.

regarding flow states, Csikszentmihalyi makes the case that flow is when difficulty & skill are well-matched so I am confused about how people are getting into flow states doing the same thing over and over. dramatically narrowed awareness? 🤔🤔🤔 plz explain

Type 2 music is my JAM. It feels conversational and interesting. I like it best when it's right on the edge of my ability to notice patterns & anticipate what's coming next, although complex music I know well has the different puzzle of expressing every little detail.

Here's an example of a song from my Dancy playlist. it's hard for me *not* to dance, when a song like this comes on. I've just gotta move! But I also dance to anything complex, including Bebop once, which got me a stern scolding from the guy playing it. youtube.com/watch?v=O5ds72…

But also it doesn't have to be crazy & wild. I have had beautiful & ecstatic dances to minimalist songs like this, where I'm pouring every ounce of my attention into manifesting each syllable into the right tiny movements. youtube.com/watch?v=safO91…

Yeah, this is interesting. One obvious factor is that the trance stuff makes more sense on certain drugs, and I'm usually dancing sober. Ecstatic Dance, which I love (eg 5 Rhythms) is also conventionally sober.

I'd also be curious to experience a context that helps people learn how to enjoy doing Type 1 dancing to Type 1 music! (sober) Mostly I've just been annoyed that scenes aren't playing something I want to dance to, and nobody has offered an on-ramp into the trance state! 👯

I've been dancing expressively & interpretively since I was a wee tot, so idk what it's like to not know how—or feel comfortable, which is half of it. But I do feel like I could show people! Start small: pick one body part & one musical element to express, & try it out 🦵

I think it's important to respect that people enjoy what they enjoy and ALSO to respect that people don't enjoy what they don't enjoy And someone might be able to *learn* how to enjoy something else, but that doesn't happen automatically—it does need an on-ramp.

For the record, ecstatic dance to me feels like somewhere beautifully in between these two types, in a sense. It can be incredibly expressive, and also incredibly trancy. However, the music always develops. It's not the same beat for hours, but a wave that builds & crashes.

Oh and have a video of me doing very Type 2 dancing to a very Type 2 song that I've barely heard before. I think of this as "listening with my whole body". youtube.com/watch?v=ol-b4j…