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Why calling minimum wage violations "theft" is a bad frame

8 tweets · April 2024 · 115 likes · 5 retweets · read on Twitter

reflected on this wage theft chart a bit and it seems to me that calling "not paying something the government says you must (min wage)" "theft" is kind of equivalent to saying that slaves are stealing from owners if they don't work. which probably some pre-emancipation laws said

ML Corvidelle @Corvidelle ·

Wage theft - employers stealing from workers - is the largest form of theft in the #USA. It totals more than all other forms of theft in the US annually. Employers who do this - and lots do - are parasitic thieves. tcworkerscenter.org/2018/09/wage-t… More receipts to follow.

a way less extreme take is that it's theft to not pay the government the taxes they insist you owe them like look that might be bad but it's not THEFT

to be clear the thing I am beefing at here is calling minimum wage violations "theft" taking tips is clearly thefty & requiring off the clock work weird but thefty no-extra-pay-for-overtime/no-breaks is fucked but "theft" is a bad word for it

"taxation is theft" is also noncentral fallacy but most taxation is weirdly divorced from the reasons you have to pay it

Richard D. Bartlett @RichDecibels ·

EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING LIVES & GROWS INSIDE SOMETHING ELSE

minimum wage laws are like laws requiring I give my kids and allowance and then calling it theft from the kids if I don't

I feel like some people replying are... presuming that what is legally required is base reality, then reason backwards to talk about actual observed reality as if it's a counterfactual feels like a variation of this error 👇

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

Is there a name for the fallacy where people think making something illegal will make it stop?

huh, confusion in normative vs causal reasoning... seems relevant

Aneesh Mulye @aneeshm ·

A 'normie' is defined as one who: 1. Engages in normative reasoning, 2. Confuses/interweaves this seamlessly with causal reasoning, 3. (Compulsively) Externalises/projects/universalises this confusion, and 4. For whom this confusion+compulsion are psychologically load-bearing.

I think part of my issue here is related to the difference between legal entitlement and moral entitlement or like... who gets to decide who is entitled to what, such that not giving someone something they're entitled to can be called "theft"?

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

@jeffrey5875 I get "legally" but are you saying that in your view the government decides what is moral?