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Non-naive trust dance and the coordination problem

6 tweets · April 2022 · 24 likes · 1 retweets · read on Twitter

my work on NNTD ("non-naive trust dance") is on its way towards this when I got the core insight in mid-2020 I was like "oh, laying this out is gonna be my life's work, or at least my work for the next few years"

Eli Tyre @EpistemicHope ·

The LessWrong Sequences (Eliezer Yudkowsky) Meaningness (David Chapman) Unqualified Reservations (Mencius Moldbug) What other giant (internet) treaties, laying out a whole worldview and an associated deep problem, belong on this list?

it's a framework for seeing how trust-building often breaks down and ends up being done half-assed, and how to do it in more stable & robust ways

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

respect that there are ways in which you can't trust each other and gently inquire into why that is not trying to force behavior change trusting that new more workable behavior will emerge when you can see why it makes sense to do what you're doing and see its impacts on others twitter.com/RomeoStevens76…

here's an intro article malcolmocean.com/2021/09/non-na…

or if you prefer video, here's me talking about it and then some really top-notch Q&A/dialogue youtube.com/watch?v=JAxq96…

as for the "associated deep problem"... the surface level of the problem is the classic "solve human coordination" the deep level is best pointed at with a koan:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

The paradox I'm currently in love with: 1. existing culture is fucked up in ways I'll collectively call "A" 2. "A" is trying to fuck you up 3. "A" = "people trying to protect from being fucked up by A" 4. thus to shift "A" to "B", one must protect against "A" without protecting

I have a collection of adjacent koans over here, easier to parse than the previous one, though not nearly as relevant or powerful:

Malcolm Ocean 🏴‍☠️ @Malcolm_Ocean ·

Shall we take this action? Shall we vote on whether to take this action? Shall we vote on whether to vote on whether to take this action? Shall we vote on whether this vote needs 50% or 60% to pass? Shall we vote on what to do if we can't decide whether or not to vote?