)'( is a burning man symbol It represents the shape of the man, with his arms raised, but I enjoyed a thought I had just now, of it representing one's ordinary life being in parentheses, that temporarily get closed for a breath, then opened again.
February 2020
"Mommm, I'm late for Meaning Club, can you drive meeee?"
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If by life or by death I can save you, I will, but you can't make me do it with dignity.
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@QiaochuYuan @rmbalt @Lavendhole repattern
@friar_b it's a real many things though this tweet in particular was adapted from an in-person riff related to the group in Toronto that's meeting regularly to discuss @vervaeke_john's video series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis youtube.com/playlist?list=…
@friar_b @vervaeke_john (I have not been to this group, but I've interacted with some of the people in it, eg at this 👇 event)
@SarahAMcManus @nosilverv @ssica3003 This is the main one I'm aware of but it didn't have country data at *all*, so it's at best... "quite good".
@speakerjohnash Here we go - contrasting meanings of many phrases in british english & american english:
@SarahAMcManus @ssica3003 @nosilverv This is reminding me of my recent experiments with busting people's oscillation between feeling like they're a good person then feeling like they're a bad person, by inverting both: I'm not a bad person, and I'm not a good person. These can be true at the same time!
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@Malcolm_Ocean @_awbery_ @Meaningness Been looking into Loch Kelly's stuff recently; he talks about an "effortless mindfulness"…
@maltybegray have you read QC's first thread?
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The largest chord youtube.com/watch?v=HeTygK…
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin The emotional brain is timeless; it doesn't overtly have the declarative belief "all X means Y", it just responds to X as if it's like situation Y, without recognizing that the emotional brain isn't really taking in the present situation.
@s_r_constantin Veterans know, consciously, they're not still on the battlefield, but it doesn't take much to create an emotional flashback. This 1min video is very illustrative and not likely to be disturbing to most people (sound on) youtube.com/watch?v=bgpRw9…
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin Not sure, but it seems to me that a brain that works that way is fairly appropriate for a relatively static context, including both: • static environmental threats (predator animals / enemy humans) • static culture (in Deutschian sense & more generally)
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin Mmm 🙏 I've had maybe-similar threat responses to phrases like "people do things for reasons" or "people have positive intent". Not totally sure why but maybe related to my little sister engaging in lose-lose dynamics with me, where her immediate intent was control of me.
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin Oh huh. Yeah, that's a very different direction than all of what I'm thinking here. I'm also wanting to double-check we're even meaning the same thing by "static culture". I was assuming by your reference to CritRat that you'd read David Deutsch's work.
@s_r_constantin I see any "going back" as both impossible and undesirable. Dynamic culture will be differently functional with our existing neurology, by not installing everyone with a guilt-button etc during childhood in the first place, and using generative communication/motivation instead.
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin So the current dysfunctional state, that your thread is about, is something we're able to talk about because we have enough space from the static culture to be able to look at it, but we're still very much emotionally affected by it and all current dynamism is in *spite* of that.
@s_r_constantin Would recommend reading at least this summary if not a few whole chapters of Unlocking the Emotional Brain, which provides some of the scaffold for how the emotional brain works, and you can sorta read between the lines to see how it currently gets stuck. lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3…
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@s_r_constantin @reasonisfun = memes propagate bc good replicators, not bc good for well-being or map-territory It's hard to point at this, because right now we're in a muddle-puddle of transition between the two systems, where neither set of system dynamics apply. Thread on this:
@harmonylion1 @context_ing @relix42 Aha, yes! I'll check out that book. See also:
@xuenay @_awbery_ @Meaningness Wow yeah, this is 🔥🔥 Definitely connects directly with hemispheres 🧠🧠 Which book is this, and would you recommend it?
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@s_r_constantin Previously models claimed such fear responses might not be extinguishable at all; these studies disproved that model. The model re humans is admittedly pretty far from the rat neuroscience, but the UtEB folks developed that model from clinical results before finding rat data.
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@s_r_constantin Yeah, this is an interesting puzzle. Someone asked about this on the CFAR mailing list, and I tried to explain. First attempt was confused; this one 👇 seemed better.
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Another example that something is seriously wrong with media. Same newspaper, 3 days apart, literally opposite narrative…
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@alt_visa @visakanv Nice! I like the transit one for some reason I don't quite know how to name.
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when the abuser says they’re the victim too twitter.com/dccalvaro/stat…
@xuenay @_awbery_ @Meaningness Cool! Seems like it might be better than many other sources at pointing at how awakening is not about some new thing your left hemisphere can learn, but about a thing your right hemisphere already does constantly, that emerges if LH gets out of the way.
@danlistensto any/all of these; whatever is appropriate also there's a mood that's like "makes me dance" which doesn't necessarily have emotional valence at all but nor is it intellectual/technical something something triune brain something intellectual emotional physical something something
@danlistensto didn't vote for any of these because it varies by song & mood I keep separate playlists for literally each of these. Actually multiple; I have both "Beatz", "Complex Beats", "polyrhythms", "SloBeats", a few different meaningful-lyrics playlists, a playlist called "Dank Bass" etc
@danlistensto I guess technically I don't have any playlists for "melody". I would rank it lowest of the above 4. But playlists like "Heart Soaring" and "Singy" and "Horns" and "Groovy" and "Earworms" all have melodic aspects (though Horns is ofc also a textural thing)
@danlistensto (oh also I forgot "Rappin' Beats", a playlist to which I add any song that causes me to spontaneously break out freestyling—something that happens maybe once a week while I'm working at my computer listening to music)
@danlistensto It's a crying fucking shame that music manager software is so unsophisticated. Most of my "playlists" would be much much better as tags, with a way to then filter music by "tag1 + tag2" or "tag1 − tag2". At some point I will rant about this and add it to
learning is inevitable but you can slow it down a fuckton
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@KevinSimler @MelancholyYuga @The_Lagrangian Higgledy Piggledy, Entropic turbulence Jostles the landscape to See what an…
@danlistensto I have been alarmed by the lack of this as a common position, for like a decade. It's really clear money buys votes (this was true centuries ago too but sorta more overt). The notion that the government represents the priorities of informed populace just seems patently absurd.
@danlistensto Here's the Rappin' Beats one; the UI doesn't feel right for trying to share all of them but if you want another specific one lmk play.google.com/music/playlist…
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@xeplor @visakanv @vgr doesn't fit in the margins but this is an old description of part of it malcolmocean.com/2015/06/reveal…
@yashkaf I have a shortlist of people I want to buy out of their dayjobs so they can do interesting stuff full-time. That's the main reason I would like to have 10-100× as much money as I do now.
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@JimDMiller @dpinsen I don't think this is still a good summary. I think it's a terrifically hard problem to get an AGI po…
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What if there was an AI programmed to want to pick as many strawberries as possible, and so it cultivated nothing but strawbe…
@ESYudkowsky @JimDMiller @dpinsen
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I've finally figured out how I want to present my best work. I'm starting with a pdf / ebook called FRIENDLY AMBITIOUS NERD.…
Replying to @brownian19
@brownian19 Bahaha it's pretty easy to find if you look up `from:malcolm_ocean context twitter` (although there are multiple tweets like this too)
@brownian19 The way I usually find it is by searching for this 👇 thread-of-examples, in which I quoted *that* tweet, which I find by searching `from:malcolm_ocean litany of gendlin` which was the first example I used.
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@Malcolm_Ocean you write a new thread about the person who's wrong without replying or QT'ing
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A ♥️ isn't agreement, it's "am I glad this tweet exists?" Replying to a tweet is likely to produce another tweet from t…
@danlistensto @meditationstuff some people: meditation shouldn't be goal oriented. just do it for its own sake, without expecting anything mark:
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release the kraken release the hounds release the gremlins release thesaurus #GooglePoems @GooglePoetics …
@SarahAMcManus @maybegray I wrote up my story here on my roamblog: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
@Aella_Girl @meditationstuff @default_friend I might simply suggest swapping the order of the words: new A "you have a kink/fetish/paraphilia that is really nonnormative, central-to-your-deal, hard-to-complement, etc" previous order requires getting to the end of the sentence before you know wth is being talked about
I'LL SPARE YOU THE DETAILS
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a bodhisattva but like really bad at it
@meditationstuff I enjoy & value your continued work at articulating this stuff.
@xuenay I don't share this! Chocolate milk used to and still does taste too good to be true 🤩 Also a well-designed fruit smoothie is 😋 Früli, a strawberry beer that tastes almost like a smoothie, is also like omg yes 🍓🍺 & +1 to @yashkaf's comment about cacao.
@collinofzion Took a photo of a subtly cool iridescent jacket
@danlistensto "I find myself thinking about the interesting sort of backwards thing I've got going on in terms of over-positive self-talk..."
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I know this is a very dramatic way to put it but I consider it part of my job spec as a human to fight against the nihil…
@mattgoldenberg I resonate! The thing I find baffling about ProgSum is that by default it doesn't involve any original thinking, including simply the original thought "this thing I'm reading relates to this other thing I read". For me, those relations are why I read things! Not to "summarize"
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@Malcolm_Ocean Yes, this relates to the idea of modernist vs. meta-modernist relation to knowledge. In modernist, you'…
@mattgoldenberg see also "diffractive reading" (from Karen Barad?) which refers to reading diverse or seemingly-unrelated books in parallel, and viewing each in light of each other I've done this on purpose: "how does the book I read yesterday look from the perspective of today's book?" (& vv)
@mattgoldenberg I read today the intro of I Am A Strange Loop, and discovered that one of Hofstadter's sisters never learned language at all, and that her situation (including a potential brain surgery) was part of his inspiration for being curious about consciousness at a young age.
More tweets to come about this but for now just wanted to let everybody know that we're doing a few more goal-crafting intensive workshops like the ones we did at New Years. Feb 29 / Mar 1 - Leap weekend! Go to complice.co/event/gci2020l… Thread:
Or see this thread on "pre-success failure":
Or this rave review:
I recall a couple of times seeing people use a site for making backup copies of other sites, designed for situations where you expect the site to change in subtle ways and want to be able to later point at the changes. It's not archive.org. Halp? Thx lazyweb ♥
@JasnaTod That's part of archive.org!
@armandcognetta oooh yeah, this is close. I'm not *certain* this isn't the one I'm thinking of, but the impression I had of the one I was looking at before was that it was somehow less academic etc and more like "look this news article fixed a mistake without admitting they initially misled ppl"
@mattgoldenberg @choosy_mom @QiaochuYuan idk man scream reads more as terror to me I realize "YellSquad" and "HowlSquad" don't have the same ring to them, but
@nosilverv @visakanv iiiiiikkkkrrrrrrrr
@ColinTheMathmo @brownian19 @Conaw 😮 Did you make this or do you know how to make such?
@mattgoldenberg @nateliason Huh, haven't watched the video but I think you're onto something here. It seems to me that the thing about the zettelkasten being an actual thinking partner... requires the interlinkings there. Otherwise your second brain is more of just a second memory.
@QiaochuYuan there's a great tweet I can't seem to find that's just like relax your gut, your jaw, and your anus
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Scientists, what do you miss the most in modern academia? If you were given an unlimited budget to start your own research…
@Jess_Riedel @alexeyguzey Was cool to read this and be like "whoa, yes!" and then realize it was written by someone I know. Hi Jess! Anyway yeah, that sounds awesome. Tagging @dthorson & @tasshinfogleman (though he's on retreat) could make sense for this to be part of @MonasticAcademy network.
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I was beginning to think Foucault’s writings on the “disciplinary society” were becoming irrelevant. But then my niece starte…
@hojialexandra I think you meant to mention @dthorson! At any rate, I don't have my finger on the pulse of this, but @utotranslucence or @maybegray might have some ideas of where to look 🙃🎨
@nosilverv @AnUntimelyMan oh man this is such a left hemisphere thing
@mattgoldenberg @choosy_mom @QiaochuYuan Like when someone is screaming *at* someone else in anger, that's the epitome of displaced terror. The person screaming is not asserting a present boundary that needs asserting, they're asserting a past terror that needs processing. Relatedly, 2⃣ here 👇
@yashkaf @Aella_Girl One stance I like: you don't *have* to heal anything from the past—just live your life and work with whatever shows up, some of which will be stale past stuff. Though it is key to learn to differentiate this stuff from present stuff!
@JakeOrthwein @yashkaf @Aella_Girl Yup! Already Free is one of the sources I'm drawing on! Also Bio-Emotive has "whatever you need to work with is right here in this moment" which means that if you try to process X and you get resistance Y, then look at Y instead. Also David Whyte: youtube.com/watch?v=E_3cPf…
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this valentine's day, give yourself the gift of reading this. it's called "the possible relationship," it's about love, an…
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denial-of-context attack
I'm in the early draft stages of a new emoji proposal. RT if you also want this emoji to exist. Reply with how you might use it! It's called Thinking-Heart #ValentinesDay #ValentinesDayMemes
I think that influencing which new emoji get created is an underrated leverage point for affecting culture, by affecting peoples' basic set of emotional concepts. Currently "thinking" 🤔 is construed as skeptical. "Thinking" and "feeling" are separate. We can change that.
By creating a "Thinking Heart" concept as part of the emoji standard, billions of people will be exposed to the idea that thinking & feeling may not be totally separate. This is a basic ontological thing that lots of people already appreciate.
I've been using this as a custom slack emoji for a few months. Part of what inspired me to take seriously the idea of an official proposal was seeing this article by @GretchenAMcC — hearts & faces are the 2 most popular emoji categories. Why not both? wired.com/story/why-unic…
@robinhouston @armandcognetta Ohhhhhhhh maybe that's the one I'm thinking of. And it looks like you can't track custom stuff with that...
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@snigdhar0y @mangosango @round @figmadesign Haha
@wyd_bot I posted this!
@Conaw So little of what's being created is actually new 😔
here's @propublica on some specifics of the perverse incentives that have made the american medical situation such a shitshow propublica.org/article/why-yo…
TL;DR = insurance companies are only allowed to pocket X% of what they spend, meaning that in order to make more, they have to spend more, which means...
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@context_ing Too true! 🤔been thinking about this kind of sentiment We can't go *back*, obviously. And staying still is stagn…
I recently came across this fascinating systems model (including simulation!) of competition between telling people what they want to hear (on some level of abstraction) & communicating about the truth (parallels with Deutschian memeplexes!) thwink.org/sustain/articl…
It suggests the key leverage point is in training the populace to recognized when they're being deceived. Seems to me like maybe now there's an additional hurdle of even getting people to *care* about that.
@visakanv @danlistensto this seems kinda related to this
@collinofzion This is my fav one of you yet! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@HiNaryan Wanting to share these threads I wrote last year when II was first coined as a term:
Replying to @simonsarris
@simonsarris Mmm, lots of rich layers in this essay. There are also ways to reclaim the conversational nature of things—stances one can take while reading a book that are fundamentally conversational, holding author as a whole person to relate to. metamodern reading
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@simonsarris Mmm, lots of rich layers in this essay. There are also ways to reclaim the conversational nature of things…
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@Malcolm_Ocean @snigdhar0y It represents a syncretic, felt-sensed way of thinking and doing “Tell me the story about…
@made_in_cosmos Probably some cool stuff where you could have different Phillips Hue light moods that would get activated when you put your phone over the different stickers, including one at the front door that just turns all of the lights off. Can open the app to do that, but still.
@alexeyguzey I've blogged about this. Basically a mental traffic jam between two sets of priorities, that produces a weird compromise. Scroll to the section on Vicious Rock-Paper-Scissors, which documents exactly this "why not sleep tho" phenomenon. malcolmocean.com/2014/09/viciou…
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Hey you, yeah you, the one who is indulging the identity of not being worthy of love and joy. Cut that shit out
@SarahAMcManus @DanielTabakman @JasnaTod 🤣🤣🤣 thunder om
@collinofzion @celestialboon Collin have you read The Master and his Emissary? Highly recommended for basically all of your interests!
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Matt Levine has a funny writeup today of a SoftBank-funded pizza delivery chain that failed after a $375M investment. But thi…
@ESYudkowsky Huh, that reminds me of this tweet where I break down the concept of "goal" in a similar way... realizing there's probably more work to be done there in terms of sharing examples of each type (show, not just tell).
give me a lever and a place to stand and an orientation to what the hell is going on here
@chriswaterguy Mmm, great question! Kind of a case-by-case thing; for people running an ongoing large group it might make sense to have it stay its own group... ...in general, anyone who wants to be part of the community & wants to contribute what that's worth to them (>=$25) can join, I think
@chriswaterguy This was geared towards a situation where someone contributed $225 ($15×15ppl) to teach a class based on the workshop content, and then the link is for the participants in that class at the end of the course. So they already got access to it via the instructor, hence past tense.
@chriswaterguy I'm in the very early stages of planning to have a session where all/some of the coaches who've already been a participant coach all of the coaches who haven't! Not sure when that'll be yet, but I'll keep you posted 🚀 (there are 11 who have & 12 who haven't!)
#TwitterTriptych (#Twiptych?)
@SarahAMcManus @nosilverv @joXn @GeniesLoki This table in this article seems to point at them. vividness.live/2013/10/23/sut… greed→generosity anger→clarity desire→appreciation envy→action denial→acceptance Some of the mappings perhaps more counterintuitive than others. Last one is most confusing to me personally.
@GeniesLoki My guess is that another implicit part of the "whole reason" was that it somehow wasn't okay to actually express your anger, for whatever reason. The aim now would not be to "add more" but just to *allow it to flow*. praxis.fortelabs.co/groundbreakers/
@GeniesLoki @nosilverv In my experience of doing a ton of Bio-Emotive / NEDERA, when you really unleash the thing you'll end up with some combination of: • a sense of peace, ease, not-stuck-in-anger • clarity about a way to change the situation For something about past, will usually be just the 1st
@natural_hazard @mattgoldenberg I found the video. Doesn't give any further context... (my first thought when I saw the poem & the "what card are you thinking of?" was "queen of spades". but then, I wasn't first reply, was I? 😜) youtube.com/watch?v=M25uqd…
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin Depends a lot on the person; my IRL stuff is not very legible to most people probably.
@NuanceMonger @vgr One of the best books I've read regarding mental conflict is by a guy named Will Powers. I couldn't make this shit up. 🤣 amzn.to/37pi6Ck
The Lean MVP Flowchart: How to Follow the Value I figured @visakanv would dig the "give value to 100 people" aspect of this article. General recommendation for wantrepreneurs to check this out: medium.com/bloated-mvp/th…
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Asking if we should start with personal change or system change is like trying to choose which side of a mobius strip to…
"Lovely river you've got there... would be a shame if something were to happen to it..." — @SarahAMcManus, as Heraclitus the mob boss
@Timber_22 I don't speak Myers-Briggs, can someone translate into Enneagram? 😛 (afaict Enneagram is way more elegant... also nondualistically for most dimensions it offers a 3-way contrast (eg instead of extra/introversion, it has {assertive,compliant,withdrawn}) fitzel.ca/enneagram/socs…
@ssica3003 Oodles! A plan for what? For whom? For youm?
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👇 This workshop is the best way I know to level up your self-trust in half a day 💪 - 5hr online workshop - Lots of coac…
talk to your kids about untalkaboutability before it's too late
@ssica3003 Hard to give a specific plan for everything... easier as a tweet I guess: Explore leverage points by grokking & applying systems thinking. Create teams that simultaneously & uncompromisingly solve object-level problems & generate more collaborative teams.
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@ssica3003 Hard to give a specific plan for everything... easier as a tweet I guess: Explore leverage points by grokkin…
Replying to @SpongeonethOT
@snigdhar0y depends on the context everything is talkaboutable if you have enough non-naive samesidedness
@snigdhar0y *anything, not everything there isn't time to talk about everything, except on the level of abstraction of "everything" where I'm doing it right now
@snigdhar0y Levels of abstraction also help make specific things be more talkaboutable. I might not be able to tell an acquaintance the details of why I'm upset today, but I can potentially say "by the way, there's something I'm upset about that's not about you, so don't worry"
@spearofsolomon Emojipedia documents the official emoji. Plan is to get it added to official emoji, at which point it'll be added to emojipedia (and also to basically all apps/devices/fonts/etc). Not sure exactly what you're asking but hopefully that answers your question.
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@snigdhar0y hm? you mean in this hypothetical? yeah, with some people this wouldn't be a workable thing to say and it would be easier to pretend to not be upset.
@Timber_22 Ah yes. To be clear, I was not looking for a mapping between MBTI & enneagram; if I were, I would have googled one (I probably did years ago) and discover they're hazy. I was wondering if your specific predicament 👇 could be translated into the enneagram
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so you're a weirdo, huh
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A postal worker in Ghana making music as he cancels stamps.
@visakanv ...I'm reflecting that "forgiveness", for most ppl, as a concept, seems to confuse the submission / power-under part, and the acceptance & reconciliation part "forgive me" could mean: ~ "I submit, please don't hurt me" ~ "I'd like to receive your anger etc, & come to peace here"
@Timber_22 Mmm, gotcha. I'm very seveny so I have a pretty solid sense of that. I (biasedly?) think 7-energy is very suitable for the End Of Jobs economy (as @TaylorPearsonMe would call it - book: taylorpearson.me/eojbook/) Mine is paired with an 8w tho, which helps
@visakanv At what odds? @robinhanson might actually take your bet.
@Timber_22 @TaylorPearsonMe Loyalist I guess is tough in the atomistic age? meaningness.com/atomized-mode
@TaylorPearsonMe Noting you said "friend groups" not just "friend sources"... I think even separately from FB/LinkedIn getting you to connect mostly with ppl you already know, the architecture of how convos happen on Twitter somehow encourages the emergence of something like "friend groups"
@TaylorPearsonMe @SarahAMcManus recently remarked to me "that person on twitter (I forget who) is like a down-the-street neighbour from our twitter circle" and I resonated with that. Relatedly, these graphs by @MenanderSoter
instead of criticizing, amplify what's good
Rule Omega for conversations: assume there's some signal in what everyone is saying, even if it's mostly noise, and try to draw out & build on the signal. It's like giving the benefit of the doubt, but on a different level of abstraction than naive trust. youtube.com/watch?v=rQA93u…
Importantly, while you could talk on an anthropological level about one conversation seeming to have more Ω than another, it's not a workable move to tell someone they need to do more Rule Omega.
I suspect, given this, that "rule" is probably not the best name for what this is trying to point at, since we often *do* expect to be able to enforce rules. But do I have a better name? The name at least has the sparkly pink purple ball thing property. malcolmocean.com/2016/02/sparkl…
The whole thing is quite related to Edward de Bono's word "po", which he uses in a few ways but all of them are related to "instead of criticizing, amplify what's good" Mmm that needs to be its own tweet... done:
This exchange contains a link to a place where I've drafted some stuff about po:
hey critical rationalists, what do you like about this? 👇
and build on it
@collinofzion I initially saw just the first tweet and if someone else had tweeted that I would have been just like "ugh wtf no" but with you I sort of sensed that what you meant included this 2nd tweet even before I'd read it. I guess easier to Ω ppl you resonate with
Aha, vertical monitor! Definitely the secret to how Visa writes such good threads. Definitely *not* anything like writing 100 already. Nope, definitely the monitor.
Replying to @SlowwCo
@SlowwCo @TaylorPearsonMe @16Personalities I've never resonated w MBTI; I'm like ENxx? I test near midpoint & in general the dimensions feel like false dichotomies. I also think Enneagram describing each type at different health levels is powerful for growth... & Growth-focused is more positive than Strengths-focused.
@TaylorPearsonMe @SlowwCo @16Personalities Hmm, hard to say as it was initially like 7 years ago... But I remember reading the description of ennea7 online or maybe in some book, and just being like "holy shit this is me" and then it described the generators behind some dysfunctional patterns I hadn't yet acknowledged
@TaylorPearsonMe @SlowwCo @16Personalities One specific 7 example is like, noticing when something was happening that I'd been anticipating for weeks, & realizing that I wasn't actually present & enjoying it! Instead I was anticipating sthg else. So I tried to embody the me who'd been desiring, & felt much more satisfied.
@JamesClear That decision quality is separate from outcome. eg that betting at 1:1 odds that two dice won't turn up two sixes was still a good decision even if this time you happen to roll two sixes (to be clear, this is a bad example because who would take that bet without rigged dice?)
@TaylorPearsonMe @vaughn_tan There's a cool book called Managing the Unexpected, that I've only read part of but it uses case studies from industries where black swans are the whole thing, like managing forest fires. Not sure how much it covers meta-uncertainty. amzn.to/38J7QGs
@danlistensto Roughly similar myself. I recently got back in touch with my best friend from from age 1 through high school, with whom I'd barely spoken to since we graduated high school... and that was kind of neat! I have one other main active friendship from age ~16 tho from camp not school
@m_ashcroft @GeniesLoki Get the audiobook 👇 so you can actually let his voice guide you rather than trying to close your eyes & remember the instructions. (Also recommended by Ann Weiser-Cornell is to schedule times with a friend where you take turns Focusing & holding space.) audible.ca/pd/Focusing-Au…
@m_ashcroft @GeniesLoki *Anne. Anyway, I personally found that Focusing didn't really work for me at all compared to Bio-Emotive (which is based on Focusing). I've drafted a write-up comparing them from my perspective here: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
@visakanv @KimKierkegaard (account now inactive & just RTing stuff) (not just a markov mashup bot) best of gallery: imgur.com/gallery/p2Ztb interview w creator: thinkprogress.org/kim-kierkegaar…
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34. Kids who read books under the table in class display a staggering combination of stellar qualities A. Casual disregard f…
@jondubin @mattgoldenberg @Timber_22 IFS uses "unblended". Anyway, this is another point of contrast between Focusing & Bio-Emotive. B-E definitely encourages blending with whatever feeling is coming up and speaking *from* it. Though also encourages not taking emotional truth as full truth, ~meditation style.
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@mattgoldenberg @jondubin Huh, you think so? That seems like one of the main differences to me, and a lot of the other structural stuff is naturally designed around that. What would you say the main difference is, if not that? (or differences, plural)
@patrissimo @bobbyscar this is very relevant to your ideas around the potential for collective healing etc via livestreaming (maybe you've seen it already)
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin The other main diff from my perspective is that it feels like Bio-Emotive is clearly trying to contact the emotional brain / limbic system, whereas in Focusing one also might be trying to tap right hemisphere. I've written up some of my thoughts here: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin I think so! LS blended: "I feel worthless" LS unblended: "I notice part of me has a feeling of worthlessness" the (un)blended Q is, I think, less relevant to RH, but playfully: RH blended: metaphor RH unblended: simile
@Meaningness @11kilobytes I'm guessing a lot of this has to do with reification of the left hemisphere's world, which is baked into most paradigms but particularly loud & explicit in AI-land. Thread, which I think you'd find worth reading and I'd be interested in your thoughts on:
@Meaningness @11kilobytes relatedly, the traditional "laws of thought" are "laws of LHemisphere" law of identity law of non-contradiction law of excluded middle they only make sense in contextless spaces of zero nebulosity AI folks may not think literally these, but... similar en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_th…
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin Yeah, forget the metaphor/simile thing. The point is more like are you FEEELING the blank black pit vs are you more like "hmm... yes... there's a blank black pitness to what's going on" from a kind of detached place. Focusing tended to emphasize the latter, imx.
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin I'm feeling vaguely argumentative here, so I'm gonna take some space for a bit. Maybe let's jam about this in roam or something and try to flesh out a shared model.
What about a shift from conspicuous consumption to patronage? I'm currently backing like $200/mo on Patreon, which both sort of feels like a lot and sort of like not very much.
Both/And thinking and Either/Or thinking don't have a symmetric relationship. BA can contain EO but not the reverse. In Both/And thinking, you can have BOTH both/and AND either/or. In Either/Or thinking, you can have EITHER both/and OR either/or.
"The point is simply that, if there is to be any life and movement at all, the attitude of faith must be basic—the final and fundamental attitude—and the attitude of doubt secondary and subordinate."
This is isomorphic to the relationship between Both/And thinking and Either/Or thinking 🤯
Both of these 👆ground out in the relationship between the right & left brain hemispheres 🧠 The left hemisphere is structurally incapable of deeply understanding the right hemisphere's perspective, and this is okay (tho means don't have LH run the show).
For more threads re the emerging new models of brain hemispheres:
@JakeOrthwein @msutherl @m_ashcroft @nosilverv "The point is simply that, if there is to be any life and movement at all, the attitude of faith must be basic—the final and fundamental attitude—and the attitude of doubt secondary and subordinate."
damnit why didn't I include this in the original tweet
Thread · Meta-thread of threads on McGilchrist's brain hemispheres · 1 of 38 tweets
@Timber_22 Short thread about both/and & either/or, faith & doubt.
See then this totally makes me want to back more, both @collinofzion specifically and also in general. To be clear: I don't think public recog is where I want my main patreon motivation to come from, but the whole point of my original tweet is about conspicuous consumption!
The fact that I'm noticing this in myself is making me even more optimistic about the idea that conspicuous consumption might be able to be replaced by proud patronage or something like that. And it's more fun to have money flow to indie creators than to large corps.
Patreon tends to be relatively small-scale, although cool for its subscription capacity & distributed job security for creators (not just at whims of one big patron). If you have a spare $1-10k you want to flaunt, maybe commission some art, or music, or something instead?
I wasn't explicitly thinking about this when I started this thread but this thread was probably inspired by this great @a16z article "100 True Fans", riffing on KK's classic "1000 True Fans", both of which are talking about new possibilities in this space. a16z.com/2020/02/06/100…
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin Huh seems so. iirc this tweet said more like "I think you can do Focusing in a blended way and BEF/NEDERA in an unblended way"
Tweets shouldn't be editable: their static, dated, snapshotness is beautiful. (Maybe a 1min grace period for typos) However! Threads *should* be editable! Ability to remove, reorder, and most importantly *insert* tweets.
@GeniesLoki @m_ashcroft Yeah I see Focusing as being more general & flexible, and NEDERA as being more targeted & powerful.
@GeniesLoki @m_ashcroft I think I have this feeling that people who only learn Focusing will tend not to really touch whole swaths of repressed & denied feelings, whereas NEDERA makes it really obvious when this is happening, and is fairly good (in many cases) at finding a way in.
@mattgoldenberg @jondubin I found the source of my defensiveness, over on another convo on the same topic! (or one source, anyway)
Thread · Roam stub-pages dissolve the need to finish everything first
Had an xch with @fortelabs 2y ago 👇 where he talks about his need to finish everything he works on, and I lament the intertwingularity. I feel like my roamblog is now basically solving this issue: I instantly create stub-pages while writing publicly. #roamcult @conaw
I now think "I need current block [A] to be finished to be able to build on it [in block B]" is only true in a world where all of the following are true: 1. B makes no sense without A 2. everyone who wants to read B will read A first if you tell them Unfortch, #2 is rarely true.
In practice, what you actually need is the ability to let people know "this term/phrase is a placeholder for something I have more thoughts about" & then to be able to expand on those thoughts as you feel drawn to do so. Roam is fucking perfect for this.
The lack of ability to edit on twitter is one of the things that makes it most limiting for this use-case.
Referring in one tweet to other thoughts of mine requires me to first tweet those other thoughts, & then I can't edit them easily. In my meta-thread re McGilchrist's brain hemisphere model, I made the first link be to an "intro" ...yet to be written!
Anyway, this 2min section starting at about 52mins of the Tiago/Conor interview/debate highlights the shift that Roam is making. Transcript of this section in next tweet. youtu.be/Hw2kJF_kxjE?t=…
Tiago: I'm working really hard to say "the tool doesn't matter." Conor: You were right, 2 years ago. You were completely right 6 months ago that the tool doesn't matter. The thing is, now the tool matters because now there's a better tool! Soundbytes 👆 Full transcript👇
@fortelabs @Conaw Here's a link to the original tweets. I used a screenshot instead of a QT above so it would easily show all four.
@Conaw thread:
@Meaningness @11kilobytes McGilchrist explicitly states it's not dual process. In the preface to expanded edition, he writes: this "transcends & replaces, and is not a perpetuation of, the old dichotomies: reason v. feeling, rationality v. intuition, 'system I v. system II', male brain v. female brain."
@Meaningness @11kilobytes However, matters are muddled: due to the taboo of using hemispheres as a model, many people have found themselves using "S1" & "S2" when (my sense is) they probably mean RH & LH. I wrote a comment on @xuenay's "Against S1 & S2" LW post about this: lesswrong.com/posts/HbXXd2gi…
@Meaningness @11kilobytes @xuenay I suspect lack of recognition of the significance of hemispheres may also be part of what has muddled dual process theory for theorists too, not just for random rationalists or others trying to do self-improvement.
Thread · What a goal becomes when you remove a key ingredient
I'm going to elaborate a bit on this model of what a goal becomes when you remove a key ingredient from the recipe.
This is inspired by those experiments where someone tries baking cookies with a bunch of variations on ingredients & process.
Also, caveat: words mean different things contextually. This is just my definition. Well, technically, it's the shared definition we use in the framework for our Goal-Crafting Intensive workshops 👇 but anyway. complice.co/event/gci2020l…
1🛣️ no recognizable state = "trajectory" This one is kind of odd to start with, because moreso than the others, it doesn't necessarily lead to wasted effort. In fact, if you want to explore, whether a new city or a new industry, simply following your appetite can be lovely!
2🛣️ no recognizable state = "trajectory" However, consider a vague state like "successful business". If you haven't clarified whether that's measured in $, impact, or personal autonomy, it'll be hard to recognize if you're going off-track from what you really care about.
3🛣️ no recognizable state = "trajectory" Robert Fritz's creative tension model & the perceptual control model of the brain both require a comparison between "what is so" & "what is wanted" Want can be implicit, but works better when explicit! (as long as you don't get fixated)
1😣 not desired = "should" This is classic. A lot of the stuff most people have on their to-do lists is not something they feel any sense of motivation towards. It's more like "I don't want to NOT have done this" (which would mean failing my classes, being fired, paying fees)
2😣 not desired = "should" Even with something like "doing my taxes" though, it's possible to have an orientation that's like "well, given that I will eventually do my taxes, how can I orient towards wanting the spaciousness I know I'll feel when they're done?"
3😣 not desired = "should" Sometimes though, if you reflect on it, you might conclude: this isn't what *I* want, it's what my parents wanted for me. I don't have to do this, and *I'm not gonna.* This could be as small as sending an email or as large as a career change.
1👀 not future = "regret" On one level, obviously "the future" is the only time you can achieve a goal, but peoples' thinking often involves a lot of stressing about the present already being the way that it is, rather than accepting the present and saying "where to from here?"
2👀 not future = "regret" Common example: fitness goals. Setting a weight goal causes someone to pay more attention to their body, which activates shame and a feeling of "I should already be thinner/stronger!" Hard to stay in touch with the future & the learning process.
3👀 not future = "regret" What I've said about regret in this thread has mostly been at a very high-level; there's also a mindset-shift available here that is a worthwhile deep-dive as well:
1☁️ no action = "dream" We defined a goal as something that causes you to take action. This is a way to highlight that a lot of people have "goals" that are sort of floating around not actually motivating them to do anything. "Feeling bad about not doing it" doesn't count 😉
2☁️ no action = "dream" Classic examples are "learn a language or musical instrument" or " Often dreams are bottlenecked on a decision: - *which* language or instrument? - how to get started? - when to practice?
3☁️ no action = "dream" You might be conflicted or have fears about your goals, in a way that makes it hard to act on them directly. However, they're still goals (not dreams) if you're taking the best action available towards resolving that internal conflict!
1🤠 actions just for show = "signalling" However, sometimes you might be taking actions, but any reasonable assessment shows that those actions aren't ever going to really move the needle on the goal. Maybe poor strategy, but if you *know* useful actions but don't do them...
2🤠 actions just for show = "signalling" Signalling occurs when someone wants to "be an author" more than they want to actually write, publish, etc. They buy notebooks, spend time in cafés with a blank page open, & talk a lot about writing—all of which are actions, but... 🤨
3🤠 actions just for show = "signalling" Signalling usually is related to the other failure modes above: - trajectory: actions aren't going anywhere because no "where" to go - should: "if I stop trying, people will judge" - regret: trying to show you care about past mistake
Okay, I hope reading that was as fun for you as writing it was for me! And moreover, illuminating. Here's the original structure again, to put it all back together:
Also worth pointing out a few ingredients that (from my perspective) *aren't* vital for goals.
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I'm launching a newsletter: "Networked thought and learning", first issue this Friday. networkedthought.substack.com/p/coming-soon?… I've been inc…
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Reading “The Master and his Emissary” and all I can think is that McGilchrist *has* to be @Meaningness’ alter ego.
@Meaningness @the_aiju Haha yeah I've been sorta saying this for almost a year 🤣🤣
@Meaningness @the_aiju Also this thread, inasmuch as Spectrum of Ecstasy is sort of a source text for Meaningness...
@reasonisfun Either the theory has something good in it worth expanding & developing, or it's a crackpot theory not worth discussing, in which case it it would play out by amplifying something that *is* worth amplifying.
@reasonisfun I still see a key difference between: 1. "non-coercively and in collaborative spirit identify flaws with" 2. "non-coercively and in collaborative spirit identify opportunities for growth" saying "this is a flaw" takes the position that you know what something *should* be
@reasonisfun Now, consider this very tweet of mine 👆 We can view it as a finding of flaws. Or we can view it as me amplifying & building on that phrase in your tweet! What happens if we view it one way versus the other?
@visakanv @jdunck There's a principle from The Fifth Discipline: "Structure Influences Behavior" which says "Different people in the same structure tend to produce qualitatively similar results." Basically the exact opposite of this:
@visakanv @jdunck I think part of why you're recognizing, in the previous tweet, that "which system of government is best" is a dumb question is because people are debating it at the wrong level—their proposed changes wouldn't fix the underlying generator. see also:
@mattgoldenberg @visakanv @jdunck I'm inferring you mean ~mutual learning, and I think it's partially that but also something much more immediate which is about simply the kinds of decisions that are afforded by a given system structure. Relates to why ~nobody competent wants to govern
@mattgoldenberg @visakanv @jdunck These insights for me are fairly new on one level and largely coming out of learning more about systems thinking from reading The Fifth Discipline. I'm open to buying copies of that book for any of you if you want! (via read.gift?)
@ESYudkowsky For future people encountering this tweet, I've now made a thread for this, with 3 tweets per item listed above:
@wolftivy @jamespoulos @SamoBurja @mr_scientism @paulg
@patrissimo I resonate with the immediate sense of this. Also it seems that in order to be in a position where we could decide to do this & ppl would choose "this", we'd need to be somewhere already better than this. (At this stage; might have been diff-ish in 1796)
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@m_ashcroft @TechnosocialP @collinofzion @nosilverv So when my yoga instructor says "feet hip distance apart", do they mean this distance? Am I aiming for the inseam, outseam, or legbones, to make a vertical line?
@collinofzion 🙏❣️ I don't think it was me, but you might be able to search for it... I didn't get anything with `from:m_ashcroft book collinofzion` (or the other usernames) if you knew it was sometime in January could add until:2020-01-30 since:2020-01-01
@mattgoldenberg Mmm, master of BOTH both/and AND either/or, it seems you are.
@mattgoldenberg Sweet! If you want a physical copy, you either need to make a read.gift account or DM me your address. If you want to buy the audiobook or something, lmk what $ to send you or whatever 👍
@visakanv - just ordered Fifth Discipline for you on read.gift, and saw this. Definitely also check out Huxley's eutopian novel Island... which relates to Doors of Perception in that Huxley wrote the dystopia before taking psychedelics and the eutopia after.
@visakanv (I call it eutopia not utopia, to emphasize the remarkable workability of Huxley's society; many utopias are clearly unworkable (either would fall apart or would be awful); this one was just ahead of its time; like diff between hard sci-fi & fantasy)
@Conaw @williamrfry I'm with you, though I think it's not about "problem founders actually have"—PFAH is why so many students build "meet up with friends" app (incl me😂) It's about having a willingness to spend the 5 years needed to create a new answer to a classic problem.
@calcsam @jcrichman @kylemathews @vgr @Conaw Finding myself vaguely wondering about how one might get a better gauge of this. There's public stuff, though the twitter #roamcult didn't exist when Conor applied to YC... trying to interview users... I think there's always going to be a few passionate ones 🤔
@yashkaf @danlistensto Oooh I've had this one. Turns out sometimes people like me even when the Malcolm Show isn't running (and sometimes they like me even more at thos times). Also apparently it's possible for human beings to have a kind of mutual care/rship that isn't just transactional!?!?
dark, yet light like a crow's feather
I feel this way but about... ~ "are you trying to just live a decent life within established parameters, or are you trying to create something that has never been?" or ~ "are you orienting your life around your best sense of what needs to happen on a global scale, or not?"
In case this isn't clear, my answers to the above are "create something new" and "global scale". I can relate, somewhat, to anyone who resonates with at least one of these, but it still often feels hard to relate seriously to anyone who isn't doing both.
@TaylorPearsonMe Haha this seems to be basically true of the market case here. The original maybe conflates "rational" with "has converged to some local optimum, with forces keeping it from exiting" It's the same sort of rationality that views all as prisoner's dilemma then concludes "defect".
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I'm going to elaborate a bit on this model of what a goal becomes when you remove a key ingredient from the recipe. http…
@KHPavle Mhm! Lmk when you want to jam about the tools you're building and let's hop on a call 😊
@seconds_0 My sister and I speculated years ago about replacing middle school with apprenticeships. Give people a sense of the adult world and *doing/creating*, rather than fake grades & preteen drama. Generate motivation for further school learning—or not! 😮
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@liminal_warmth Dig this thread (thanks @mrgunn for bringing it to my attention!) I'd highly recommend checking out this short ebook 👇 The Divided Brain and the Search for Meaning. The thread this tweet below is in is about nihilism & system-optimization too 🤔
@lumiferrous @liminal_warmth @selentelechia As a dude who also found Tolkien's writing boring, I think it's probably something more like having a vivid imagination vs aphantasia. Maybe not literally aphantasia, but like, do the descriptions of forests evoke vivid scenes? Or just seem like a bunch of random details?
@Meaningness @tr4nsmute @11kilobytes Very similar to a comment I made over here 🙃
@visakanv billboardification?
@jayvanbavel @ShapesOfEmpathy @NinaStrohminger You guys might dig The End of Average
Relatedly, this quote from Dijkstra that @lccarson has as her header: "Only do what only you can do" This is actually a third thing from the first two I mentioned. Now I want to make one of those venns that have ikigai in the middle, but with these dimensions... 🤔
@lccarson Oh actually, no, "only do what only you can do" subsumes "create something that has never been", bc if only you can do it then it's definitionally new. But scale matters... I invented a peppercorn hotsauce, which is odd but not 100% new, but nobody else could take this photo😉👇
@made_in_cosmos Ha! I was about to ask "what's left & right hand" when I realized that it probably just refers to the sides of his quadrants. So LHand is subjective & RHand is objective. I was fascinated because this maps perfectly onto brain hemispheres—appropriately, flipped contralaterally!
@made_in_cosmos I am very delighted by this.
@made_in_cosmos Not as famous or meta, but these 👇 (Q was just "top 5 books of all time") Now much less enthused re R:A-Z & Kegan. And would add: 🧠 The Master & his Emissary 🙃 Already Free 🤩 The Guru Papers 🐵 The Secret of Our Success ♾ The Beginning of Infinity
@made_in_cosmos (to be clear, that's mostly answering your second question about impact on me; less a sense of "important books that many others would be like 'you've never read X!?!'")
@made_in_cosmos My best guess for the "What other books I might have similarly missed?" question is Impro by Keith Johnstone. Relevant to all of life, not just theatre improv nor just improv. (...except all of life is improv tho so...)
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@GabbyMcNabb @p3drosola @RoamResearch @Conaw @nateliason Mobile-web Roam actually already has one of these! Currently with outdent | indent | move up | move down | insert image
@made_in_cosmos Oh cool! What did you think of it?
@made_in_cosmos Ooh ooh or James P. Carse's Finite & Infinite Games. I'd heard of this book years ago but hadn't actually opened it til it was sitting on my kitchen table today. It's incredibly clear & simply stated, and so foundational. see your tweeps talk about it: twitter.com/search?q=infin…
@diviacaroline @alt_visa Yeah that's what I see too. Article on this: news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/… Key points: - in some sense less contagious than SARS, but harder to contain because contagious before obvious symptoms - less deadly than SARS
@diviacaroline @alt_visa Also SARS only ever had ~8k confirmed cases (over the span of 8 months) [source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_ac…] ...whereas covid-19 has nearly 80k in one month & it's still going up 📈 source: gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashbo…
@diviacaroline @alt_visa Also SARS severity was around 9%. That previous covid-19 source says: - 78k confirmed cases - 2.4k deaths - 21k recovered A naive read of this suggests covid-19 severity... - lower bound: 3% (=2.4k/78k) - upper bound: 10% (=2.4/(2.4k+21k))
@diviacaroline @alt_visa Yeah I also think the naive read is wrong here, to be clear. And even moreso in the minutes since posting it 🤪 At any rate, part of me's also worried that, in the course of spreading, it might recombine with something else more deadly or that makes people no longer immune
@diviacaroline @alt_visa @alt_visa, I really hope you're right. And mostly there's not much to do except live our lives & find out. At any rate, this thread has a take that either of you might be interested in:
@DRMacIver Haven't read that much of it yet but probably Why Buddhism Is True
@DRMacIver That was what happened when I encountered the title too! I can't figure out if that was somehow part of a clever plan on the author's part or what.
@Conaw @TomLisankie @RoamResearch Here's my thread about roamblogs, including my top feature requests for this kind of use-case:
@Conaw @TomLisankie @RoamResearch And here's a link to the page on my roamblog where I've collected a few other public roams. Haven't been super thorough about this but it might be helpful: roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
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#roamcult thread of threads twitter.com/adam_keesling/…
@DRMacIver I encountered that with The Fifth Discipline: I found title confusingly vague & had trouble quickly finding a list of disciplines by number when I opened it... ...then later read intro & realized he was writing into hype cycle. Topic not on title reduces buzzwordification of it.
@visakanv Backing people on patreon is the new... something. Uhh... thing to do to show that you have money.
@GretchenAMcC Finding myself thinking that this is @visakanv's sort of thread. Not that he needs to read it, but that if he ran a group blog that was on twitter then this would be crossposted there.
@visakanv Mmmm I think I've gotten close to a dozen people to check out McGilchrist's book at this point, by tweeting excitedly about it for a year. (Confirmed cases is like 7, but I haven't tested a whole cruise ship yet to find out about asymptomatic cases.)
"incompossible" guys guys guys did you know about this word? basically means what you'd think it means but somehow feels like a way better word than "incompatible"
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@context_ing desktop background is a pretty unremarkable sunset landscape dealio smartphone background is this AMAZING patch of lupins that reminds me of my hometown. fav bg I've had in awhile
@JessTelford @nateliason @RoamResearch Oooh, I love the Wiki Strategy model. Where's the plotting emoji when you need it...?
@utotranslucence chop wood carry water
@utotranslucence relatedly, After the Ecstasy, the Laundry
@startuployalist @context_ing Haha delightful! Do those different highlight colors each mean something specific, or just a way of visually separating each sentence?
@andy_matuschak I have a thread riffing on various ways digital reading could be improved:
@andy_matuschak That thread 👆 is mostly about software but I think if I had some millions in seed capital and more free time I could design & manufacture & sell a device that'd afford a bunch of cool workflows that kindle/kobo don't. (not as confident about costs/sales as with a software co)
@andy_matuschak Not sure about business model for that either. Probably would want to aim to have the hardware be profitable on its own, maybe starting with lux (tesla-strategy) but could also do some cool book-licensing stuff or something, idk.
@andy_matuschak On reflection... honestly I think I'd partner w/ @RoamResearch. Which then might sorta-kinda require a different license to the books, if they're going to be fully interlinkable. I guess that could just be its own software/content product 🤔
@alexeyguzey Somewhat; not as much as I might have hoped. Combined with Self-Referential Motivation style techniques it sometimes has inspired me to do something like declare "I will not do anything on my laptop other than X before I sleep" and then actually do that. malcolmocean.com/2017/11/self-r…
@visakanv google (was the same logged-in and not) aaaaand duckduckgo (featuring personals ads in slots 4 & 5)
@lccarson Mmm, yes, I also resonate with this. I find it unfortunate how many problems I see, with apparent-to-me tractable possibilities, but apparently nobody competent is working on them. I'm hoping maybe if I tweet loudly enough someone will steal these ideas:
@lccarson Mmm! I resonate a lot with this, though I've recently been discovering that if one is learning/applying Systems Thinking then sometimes problems that seem routine are actually core to the system dynamics & trying to abstract them away removes key leverage.
@lccarson Somehow this is related to this graphic 👇
@QiaochuYuan I need to close twitter & go to bed but for now just gonna say that I've been thinking about this for awhile and my thoughts resonate a lot with what you've expressed here. Also brain hemispheres ofc: uniqueness, meaning, context, relationship, story are all RH stuff.
@vicconsult @Zebraaahs @Twitter
@alexeyguzey I mean "stop having homework due the next morning" by "stop being in school" I guess. Similar to how I never fixed [my tendency to binge on chocolate in situations of severe acute stress], but it's not an issue because I organized my life to not be so stressed.
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Meta-rats talking: metarat1: heads metarat2: I agree, but also tails metarat1: yes I agree about tails both in unison: thi…
@maybegray @QiaochuYuan doooo iiiiit
@QiaochuYuan @thornandpetal ...now we just need to get some of these ladies training in bio-emotive & coherence therapy, and then...
@ssica3003 > It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Physically possible to selectively modify human genes, but more of human behavior is governed by memes than by genes, so this is not a workable method for achieving anything meaningful.
@ssica3003 Super fucking weird that Dawkins, who *literally coined the word meme*, is asking that "why wouldn't it work?" rhetorical question that straightforwardly has a "this is why it wouldn't work" answer in terms of memes.
@ssica3003 I also think that Dawkins' failure to recognize [the thing I'm saying here] is intuitively why people are being like "dude wtf", even if they can't articulate it.
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@anecdoted @erik_davis @MimeticValue I’m all for entertaining all kinds of things, but I think the more speculative stuff c…
@andy_matuschak @RoamResearch Yes, definitely with you. The main part I don't understand how to manage is licensing for books or journal articles that aren't free. In an ideal world, we'd have some sort of patreon economy where authors would get supported via <..details..> & their works could be open, but...
@andy_matuschak @RoamResearch Because basically no book publisher wants their property to be platform-agnostically remixable. But maybe somehow we'll go through a Napster→iTunes transition that will force some other business model to emerge... then a more YouTube-like phase. Or something.
@andy_matuschak @RoamResearch Btw I love the layers of your thing and how they appear overlaid, but I don't know how to pop one off the top of the stack. Not seeing an x button and the esc key doesn't do anything.
Retweeted @mulegirl
1) Human behavior is complex 2) Most of us have a really bad working model of human behavior (including our own) This is esp…
nice. btw, any org can in principle be bootstrappy: shift mission from "make & sell widgets" to "improve team collaboration by working on making & selling widgets" (in practice this tends to be hot air & mission remains object-level) cf Kegan's Deliberately Developmental Orgs
Currently looking for software to replace slack. They're all just fucking clones of slack (which is itself an IRC clone, blah blah) with more kitchen-sink of features, undercut pricing, and probably less smooth basic functionality. Still nobody building anything new.
@Conaw @itsarnavb @SarahAMcManus Damn, we're currently looking for software to replace slack and the graphchat thing (in its full super-saiyan form) sounds like it would be the shit.
@ctbeiser slack is smooth but wasn't an innovation in the first place everything is stuck in old concepts
@DanielleFong DO IT
Retweeted @DanielleFong
1,900,000 seeds planted in a fractal discourse, happening all across the world, on things that we think could matter. 🌎…
@ctbeiser It continues to blow my mind how much little new stuff comes out of existing companies. Google has 114,000 employees. And I can't easily name a meaningful innovation in any existing Google software in the last year. Random little stuff, and it's smooth, but... ... ...?
@ctbeiser Like name a thing you couldn't do a year ago and now you can do it, thanks to Google. Shit that would have been included in your phone from the beginning if I'd designed it (eg dark mode) doesn't count.
Replying to @TerranceKwok
@TerranceKwok Twist is my current candidate for "if I have to pay per user for something slack-like, it'll be this". Seems they've made a small but meaningful twist on slack, but it's still "slack with a twist". "Threads"... by... instagram? 🤨
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@ctbeiser Like name a thing you couldn't do a year ago and now you can do it, thanks to Google. Shit that would have be…
@ebenwert @RoamResearch Yeah "@RoamResearch but for interactive conversations" is probably the shortest summary I could currently give. Wondering how soon it'll be possible to build a chat layer on-top of Roam. Honestly Slack+Roam-auto-import app would be cool.
@va2lam @ctbeiser Lens Blur got added to Google Camera app in 2014 (ai.googleblog.com/2014/04/lens-b…) The same basic concept is used in airplane radar imaging ("synthetic aperture radar") going back to the 60s. But yeah, it's new to be able to do it from your phone! I wrote here: medium.com/@Malcolm_Ocean…
something something "grow-er not a show-er" but applied to every human and their capacity for brilliance & beauty & wisdom & love
Retweeted @ben_mathes
As soon as your users ask for your communication tool to have snoozing, mark-unread, etc features then you know it’s no lon…
@TheOrangeAlt I've recently been experimenting with a List for this and it works okay!
@TheOrangeAlt Also hi welcome to strangely earnest twitter! (your account is new; maybe it's just a new alt, idk) strangely earnest twitter: twitter.com/search?q=%22st…
@TheOrangeAlt Also I've been talking for awhile about what a more conversational #TwitterReplacement might look like, and this sort of thing is definitely part of it twitter.com/search?q=from%…
@TheOrangeAlt see also this brief discussion about twitter being used in a new way:
@TheOrangeAlt One nice thing about twitter, on one level, is that it doesn't have "mark unread"/"snooze" etc. I've found myself wanting those but ultimately they wouldn't help. Other resurfacing & organizing tech needed though. Tagging @nosilverv
@TheOrangeAlt Also the yes-no of it is so limiting. Instead ask "how can I communicate with this person (kid or otherwise) about this truth in ways that - are appropriate for their stage of life? - are appropriate for our relationship? - bring us closer? - are fun?"
@TheOrangeAlt Relatedly, @edelwax re how it's more important not to compromise on your values ("how you do things") than your goals ("what you do")
Retweeted @hbdchick
clever mice! =P "It is not clear whether mice stop swimming because they are despondent or because they have learned that a…
Retweeted @patrissimo
Whenever I just want to say fuck it, I don't want to grow up, I don't want to go deep, I want to keep ignoring my pain, I r…
@kissingsky @TuckerMax @tferriss I've found learning more about Systems Thinking has given me a perspective from which blame doesn't make any sense, because it requires cutting off part of the system from the rest of the system in a way that makes it harder to actually understand what's going on or change it.
@kissingsky @TuckerMax @tferriss Excerpt is from Peter Senge's The Fifth Discipline, which I first opened years ago and am finally really digging into. Systems Thinking is the titular fifth discipline, though it's presented first in the book. I might've called it "the zeroth discipline"
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@kissingsky @TuckerMax @tferriss I've found learning more about Systems Thinking has given me a perspective from which b…
@IgorBrigadir @visakanv or View Source while logged in and ctrl+f for "user_id" it's set as part of some window.__INITIAL_STATE__ variable which is later deleted
@IgorBrigadir @visakanv (that only works for your own id. mine is 49044207)
Retweeted @aaronzlewis
Spaced repetition flashcards are cool, but have you tried combining them with your favorite dance moves …
@visakanv Have you read @DavidDeutschOxf? He talks about this specifically in terms of meme theory. Civ is built on memes that are type 1 below (except meme fitness also requires that they "work" for coordination & keeping hosts alive (but happiness irrelevant))
@visakanv @DavidDeutschOxf Since the Renaissance & Enlightenment, we've been in a transition phase where type 2 memeplexes are also operating & spreading. A fully type-2 memeplex society would be amazing. But we're in transition, and have only the vaguest ideas what that entails.
@Aella_Girl good work averting Gell-Mann Amnesia! (I was shown zeitgeist in 10th grade history class, maybe by a substitute? Might've been supposed to be a lesson on fake news, but lesson was very ambiguous if-so. I guess it made me more skeptical in all directions)
@MJPiercello @johnrobb Mmm yeah, meta-level consensus. I read a book by someone who helped facilitate negotiations between govts & guerrillas who'd been mutually attempting assassination for decades, & sometimes only starting agreement was "we want something different here"
@djmicrobeads bespoke: being each others' second brain
Retweeted @Conaw
Good quotes from the post "While the unwashed masses flock to non-textual media like TikTok, we Very Online cognoscenti know th…
@collinofzion Yeah, the difference puts us, collectively, at a disadvantage if we don't know how to integrate difference coherently, & at an advantage if we do. Different views from 2 eyes would be frustrating if they argued, but can also create 3D vision! 👁️👁️ → 🧊
@GeniesLoki also
@visakanv mmm, the boredom & lack of burden seem like a good set-up for Infinite Game vibe
Retweeted @Conaw
The best way to predict the future is to invent it If we don't fuck this up, and the revolution we've spent the past 6 years la…
@everytstudies @InceptiveJ First thing that came to mind when I read this tweet was Leonard Cohen, who was a poet who learned how to monetize his poems by putting them to music. Complex, nuanced... political & nonpartisan. Sensual. Playful & serious. Sacred & profane. youtube.com/watch?v=DU-RuR…
I've been doing this since I was like 7, going to summer camp.
@DanielleFong @SureReno Engaging with these conversations at all mostly just ends up signal boosting them (I'm getting them in my feed)
@DanielleFong @SureReno Key to effective internet disagreement is finding people who are sincerely engaging and open to exploring & mutually supporting each other to refine your ideas.
@DanielleFong @SureReno I use a "do I want to heart it?" heuristic for this. Leave conversations if I don't feel like ♥ing the tweets I'm replying to.
@michaelcurzi @MJPiercello @johnrobb Yes. It's worth reading. Busted some assumptions I'd had about needing other people to trust me before I could effectively relate to them. (I think these are mostly stored as emotional schemas though so it may take more than reading a book to really shift that stuff)
@micahtredding @visakanv @DavidDeutschOxf Most of this resonates with Deutsch's take, though unlike most people he doesn't differentiate much between hunter-gatherers & agriculture-based humans. Both, he claims, needed to have a certain amount of anti-creativity memeplex from trauma, otherwise they'd have changed faster.
@micahtredding @visakanv @DavidDeutschOxf One answer to "why not rational memeplex from beginning?" is simply "static attractor is simpler". But also, at that time, the cultural know-how contained a lot of stuff that no individual understood... so trying to change it would mostly mean dying.
@micahtredding @visakanv @DavidDeutschOxf Although I guess actually... yeah, the memeplexes did shift in some important way around the start of civilization, and you could call that shift memetic poison. "the knowledge of good & evil" kinda translates into that, as distinct from just "here's how we do things, no Qs"
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp" - Robert Browning, who was probably not talking about the relationship between brain hemispheres.
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno ugh, open platforms when
@micahtredding @visakanv @DavidDeutschOxf Yeah, I don't know the details but I can sorta see how it could happen gradually, starting with herder societies which are kind of in-between (they have property they must protect to live, etc). There's a fascinating book on this a friend of mine quoted to me, but idk what it is.
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno site isn't loading; not sure what you're trying to say with the link (about to be offline for a day btw; see you on the other site)
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno I have design thoughts on these sorts of Qs... mostly about interaction & metaphor design not federation etc, but hmu if you want to jam on your plans here
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno (this is the query to see some of my thoughts twitter.com/search?q=from%…)
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno fwiw, this search found this one twitter.com/search?q=from%…
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno there's even more if you pull the number of likes down... twitter.com/search?q=from%…
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno also idk what you mean with this tweet 👇 but if you search @DrEricDing's *handle* (not his name) then you get lots of tweets by him. still the CDC banner at the top, but it doesn't look like censorship
@uberstuber @garybasin I've also been using it and I like it a lot. Makes newsletters feel like pocket. The modes of "read newsletter" and "deal with actual email" are totally different; makes sense to separate them.
Retweeted @Conaw
Smartest people I know are most worried about covid19 My plan to just buy 2x on costco runs may be insufficient …
@collinofzion Fyeah tycho. Also enjoyed hearing your breath at the end.
@DougTataryn @QiaochuYuan > Annual Membership must be paid in tears.
@DougTataryn @QiaochuYuan Btw if anyone else wants these, they can be ordered here 👇 Seems the site is having a 30% off everything sale today! society6.com/product/sob-su…
@_awbery_ @sadmoonanalog @utotranslucence @context_ing
Retweeted @mattgoldenberg
1/ Self-coercion is one of the most common causes of procrastination. If you commonly tell yourself that you "Have To"…
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing agreed on the latency I think the search thing is actually true of everyone. if I search `Malcolm Ocean` the first results are people @-mentioning me or talking about me. Same if I search `Malcolm Ocean meta` or `@Malcolm_Ocean meta` whereas `from:malcolm_ocean meta` gets me
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Oh actually when I search @DrEricDing's handle & coronavirus, then I actually do get tweets from him. So he's actually less censored in this sense than *I* am.
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing So: I agree that these search results phenomena are confusing, & potentially misleading (CDC doesn't seem particularly trustable) but it seems risky to use "censorship" for this when it seems to be business as usual. It dilutes the term "censorship" & gives off a paranoid vibe
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Not saying I think you *are* paranoid, but your claims here gave me that impression to some extent, which is why I'm taking the time to explain why this is happening, so that other people reading this thread can see that this is more of an idiosyncrasy with Twitter's search
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Umm... if people think you're paranoid, they will push away from what you're trying to care about, rather than working to develop solutions. This is not a shouting contest—we need to be strategic.
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Yeah, probably what we want to do is encourage more people to use Latest Tweets and realtwitter.com (sorted by latest). Those timelines are still completely unfiltered afaik (you & Eric are close to the top of both, since you've tweeted recently) Hit the ✨ then Latest
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Yeah, probably what we want to do is encourage more peo…
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing (& note that it'll revert you to algo-determined after awhile, so you need to consciously set it to Latest again. this is kind of obnoxious honestly)
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Danielle, hi. I'm trying to share *my* experience of engaging with you here, which included an impression that you were overestimating how actively-out-to-get-you twitter etc actually are. (~= paranoia) I'm saying that people like me, who are influenceable, care about this.
@DanielleFong @HolyAvengerOne @jameskellie @SureReno @DrEricDing Also ultimately we need to understand what the system is actually doing in order to strategize about it. Such as this:
@QiaochuYuan @nosilverv Yeah, both skills are vital. If you only have one you'll either: - depress yourself trying to accept situations that suck - frustrate yourself & your loved ones by trying to fix a current situation that would be fine if you weren't projecting onto it
@QiaochuYuan @nosilverv the other challenges are, of course "knowing the difference" and "dealing with things that are a bit of both" (& most things are a bit of both)
@mattgoldenberg @SarahAMcManus @__rowboat__ great example: the process for learning this very fluid 🌊wavey dance is, counterintuitively, to start by doing a very robotic wave, with each joint moving as a distinct isolated step. then gradually make it smoother til it's liquid
@mattgoldenberg I've been thinking about adding a guided introspection tool to complice.co for awhile, that would help people figure out what's going on when they're procrastinating or feeling stuck or whatever. Wondering if there might be a possible collaboration here... 🤔🤩🙃
@orbuch Great summary! Have you read @zaidhassan's Open Letter to Greta Thunberg? Talks about creating thousands of tiny teams each focused on MT scale reductions. xinx.co/an-open-letter…
@orbuch Btw your "tweet me" link in carbon removal post is broken because no http://