@jessicafung_ 1. "reason" can also include "avoiding a punishment", which is a fundamentally different type of thing malcolmocean.com/2022/02/toward…
February 2023
@jessicafung_ 2. "reason" can also be like "do this because it's the right thing to do" which doesn't contain the actual fruit
@jessicafung_ 3. "reason" can also be past-causal or ongoing-habitual rather than purposeful, eg "he didn't go to the party because he didn't know it was happening" or "he got the egg salad sandwich for lunch because that's what he always got"
wisdom of the crowds — "yield" & "payoff" are my two favs of the replies, and also each have 7 likes (more than any of the rest)
@fraesur how many layers are there?
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance > the set of options I restrict myself to on a menu. But my body decides what to eat. not quite sure where the line is between these, unless you like, swiped your friend's chicken sandwich
"imagine how many more vegetarians there would be if people had to butcher their own animals" demonstrably, this wasn't actually an issue for most people at the time also how many people would be willing to harvest soy/wheat & manually process it into tofu/seitan? 😂
Thread · Groundhog Day: perfecting mistakes vs accepting them
in the movie Groundhog Day, the protagonist wakes up again and again on the same day, repeating the same mistakes until he finds the right way to relate to his situation and then time moves forward I haven't seen the movie, but that won't stop me from using it as a metaphor! 😅
so yeah, I'm not actually sure what the success condition is for moving forward from Feb 2 to Feb 3... is it something like... he has to do the day perfectly without mistakes?
or is it more like he has to accept that he's going to do things that upset people or cause whatever problems, & just do them anyway because that's his life, rather than regretting them and trying to change them? doesn't matter—either way, there's a lesson for real life there!
the lesson of the "make no mistakes" version is that with enough practice, you can perfect things (to some standard) you can learn and grow and change and become the sort of person who doesn't make the mistakes you used to
the lesson of "accept your mistakes" is that you DID make the mistakes you made, and you have to start from there tomorrow is a new day—you can do something else, which could include repairing what broke yesterday, or might involve choosing to focus your energy on something new
these lessons don't contradict each other—they're both true, all the time you can practice & grow beyond your mistakes, and where that starts is accepting your current level so you can work to increase it
we're a month into 2023 is the year going how you wanted? did you even take some time to envision what you might want? are you in an environment that's challenging you to learn, but not too challenging?
is there something you'd like to try to do every day, but you having had the courage to commit, or you've tried to commit and you've already fallen off?
the power of doing something every day isn't because 365 days is the magic number of times to do something every year it's because it creates clarity that the answer to "am I going to exercise this morning?" is always "yes"
and you can start that any day, not just January 1st but you do have to take some time to consider what you want and why, in order to get that clarity and you need strategies for when slip-ups happen
if you want some guidance (or even just structured coworking) for going through a process of clarifying what you want out of your year, join our epic online choose-your-own-adventure workshop in a couple weeks! learn more & sign up: complice.co/event/gci?tw=m…
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I sang a few wrong lyrics to Greased Lightning and now Jess & I think there needs to be a parody that's about nuclear energy or something. maybe something like... my free neutrons they're multiplying critical, at the core and the power, I'm supplying it's electrifying
@etiennefd psychofauna is an epic word tho - stoked to read your prolegomenon
@etiennefd hmmm psychofauna doesn't seem quite right to me for what you're pointing at here, because it's not quite that these beasts live in the mind...
@etiennefd reminds me of a Vervaeke vid (I forget which one) where he also talks about Ares etc and speculates there are new forces in internet age
Retweeted @sarahdoingthing
slide from tonight's class - when to write
Retweeted @strangestloop
what happens when people regain control over their attention and begin to direct it again, together? good night sweet ti…
@nopranablem are there any expansion-first routes that have rigorous paths written up like TMI & MCTB? is that a contradiction? 😂 I suppose I could be more diligent about doing Loch Kelly's mindful glimpses, but I feel like I want more ways to map where I am
this
“The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” — Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
update: nobody is reading my thread because I haven't seen groundhog day yet fine I'll watch it 😂
sometimes I can feel the next-buddha-that-is-a-sangha meditating under the bodhi tree
Retweeted @captain_mrs
"deserve" perhaps needs a little unpacking here. when we say "deserve" often we mean "refutation of deserve-not" It's no…
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
like this
@TheAnnaGat Scarcity
@rsnous hyperlink markup language I like it
supposedly chinese tiktok is compelling but largely educational content (and limited to 40min/day) whereas the international one has all sorts of other stuff and can be used all day interesting 21st century memetic warfare 🤔
Retweeted @visakanv
guru jr: it is tiresome to have all the answers guru sr: well what is the answer to tiredness? jr: relaxation sr: so why d…
@aleksil79 nice also hits on both levels because "i KNOW it"
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance mmmm, nice. makes sense! I sometimes find it hard to order from menus because my belly can't read (and the part of me that can read has trouble translating descriptions into simulated food)
Retweeted @benholmen
There are a lot of problems in the world but we're not talking about a huge one: how much your shower control just plain suc…
@benholmen YES. Also it is stupid that you have to destroy the information contained in the temperature setting, in order to turn off the shower. Separate temperature and flow knobs! That solves a huge chunk of the problem without any clever engineering.
Thread · Running list of people doing deep design work · 1 of 14 tweets
adding @benholmen for his approach to mapping shower temperature control
@heynibras yessss I'm so here for this I've mostly been surprised how *infrequently* people comment on it!
wow I'm so here for this
this is kinda cool but it also much more directly incentivizes people to have popular tweets, which is... questionable.
@gTerton say more?
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I've got some old mailing lists on mailchimp that I use a little bit now and then and they are charging me excessive money for little value what would be good to switch to? substack has some benefits but I've also got a lil 3-email drip campaign on signup, plus GCI announcements
@bucketofkets I feel like (especially in the context of him not wanting the mountain named after him) it would make sense to just call it Sagarmatha or Chomolungma as the canonical english name (tho I guess that does require deciding between nepali & tibetan)
@finereli makes even more sense with land value tax! and land value tax seems to be in some sense deeply correct in terms of closing a particular loop (currently the government will protect your right to continue owning land at WAY lower than the natural price for that service)
@finereli and land value tax also solves how to pay for UBI (and creates the perfect wealth tax since you can't hide the fact that you own land and you can't store land off-shore, meanwhile incentivizing billionates to invest their money towards actually doing things not just rentseeking)
@finereli it seems like land value tax also sort of like... helps with the puzzle of UBI vs cost of living although I'm not totally sure how
@eashankotha lots and lots of people think it's 240, also, after the transition from 140
Retweeted @ElodesNL
incredible wisdom in this thread
I can have little an overwhelm as a treat
Retweeted @the_wilderless
you’re playing 4d chess, i’m playing 4d calvinball we are not the same
@VestigialShaman @the_wilderless when your opponent doesn't realize that all of the bonanzas they've been carefully stacking are going to convert into your boons as soon as the tropes flip
@youpromptai @JessicaShieh ultra-well-read improv actor in a room
@heynibras tagging @algekalipso because this will be of interest as an anecdote possible he'll be able to help but it seems like finding the woman would be the better solution rather than trying to reverse-engineer the smell from first principles
@lisatomic5 something else... something like... I feel scattered, I'm trying to solve 5 problems at once and thereby not giving myself the space to solve any of them
@the_wilderless huge resonance with stuff in ep 8 of Vervaeke's AFTMC which I just listened to he talks about how you can't simply "pay attention!"—you have to pay attention TO something, in a particular WAY & can't just simply "practice!" youtube.com/watch?v=EWumJS…
I used to think "scapegoating" referred to someone getting all the blame (vs only "their share"†) but I read some Girard & it seems it's actually about pinning all the blame on a (perhaps disliked) bystander who is irrelevant to the conflict, so that neither party loses
† the entire notion of shares of blame turns out to be confused once you understand mutual causality / dependent origination
Retweeted @relic_radiation
hmm I’m shifting away from the lens of “trauma” as the root cause of emotional challenges in favor of plain ol’ unme…
Retweeted @selentelechia
unfortunately any given technique for systematically shifting something internal by changing language around won't scale…
@SurenVynn oooh, I'd love to see a 1-tweet breakdown of each, or something like that!
Retweeted @FPallopides
In my own areas of expertise, I keep seeing ways to improve things, try doing things differently etc. Yet in areas I am no…
Retweeted @David_Lawson_10
the vast extent to which you have blind-spots is an extremely common blind-spot
@David_Lawson_10 true both whether "you" refers to self or other
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin dogmatic doxastic voluntarists doesn't seem like it's directly an alternative, but they probably have an ontology within which map/territory looks very different than it does to us
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin wanting to plug this TMINTT discussion in with this older one @Meaningness was asking a similar tho transposed Q which is "who ever thought the map WAS the territory?"
Retweeted @aleksil79
we have succeeded in aligning AI with an unaligned human moral code
getting GPT to confabulate some bs is sort of motivating in the someone-is-wrong-on-the-internet way, but is still no substitute for an actual person being wrong on the internet
Retweeted @CompliceGoals
what gets your flywheel going? what gets your engine warm? what gets your juices flowing? what lets your urges storm?
yo @nbashaw have you seen this article? seems like something interesting to track in relation to Lex! inkandswitch.com/potluck/
I'm free as long as I don't know where I'm going as soon as I think I know, I trap myself but freedom's right there if I can release it
what's the article by @Meaningness where he does an ethnomethodological deconstruction of rational action and finds (as he expects) that despite the formality of a scientific procedure, the actual enactment is situated & improvisational there's a video & test tubes 🧪
I forgot until using the word "ethnomethodological" today that this tweet is basically a condensation of what I understand to be one of the core insights of ethnomethodology (at least as I learned about it via @Meaningness)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"interruptible" is a word (weirdly the dictionary already has "uninterruptible")
oil rig workers learn how to open up emotionally and become more comfortable asking for help, leading to increased safety npr.org/sections/healt…
what's your favorite fictional species? mine would have to be the ratdog packs from A Fire Upon The Deep (superorganisms!)
Retweeted @CompliceGoals
the Now Page is now even more presence-oriented: when you complete something, you get a little mindfulness symbol anima…
@mattskala oooh tell me about species from your writings!
@selfawareplant all my conscious mind can report is that the * seemed too small next to the " but maybe my subconscious was onto something
Replying to @s_r_constantin
@s_r_constantin still got 41 episodes of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis to get through which I suspect will whet my appetite for the Bible
@DanielleFong how are determination and perserverance different?
@constructx @ScottDuncanWX idk how up to date is this (originally written 2015) but overall it's probably a good place to start: "What can a technologist do about climate change? A personal view." worrydream.com/ClimateChange/
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 21 of 29 tweets
there's a mode I can get in that is very beautiful and I want it in more of my life where I'm present and taking care of something, such as cleaning a space, and in each moment I'm just doing whatever cares for it best, with full couldness at several scales
there's a feeling when I am cleaning where my motivation is very simple I simply: - perceive the scene - envision how I'd like it to be - do whatever I feel like to close that gap there's no to-do list, there's just a world and my desires
to-do lists introduce a level of indirection where it becomes easy to feel like the gap (aka "error") is "I have unchecked checkboxes" when this is kind of a meaningless proxy even if you did a great job of enumerating the right things, the checkboxes don't contain matteringness
there's a sense in which the easiest way to make the "unchecked checkboxes" error go away would be to delete the list or check them off without doing them but we know that of course we can't just do that 😂 I suspect… many of us have friction that is *literally* this conflict
that friction is irrelevant to whatever it is we're aiming to do!
just now, I was about to put something in the trash by my desk only to realize I hadn't put a new bag in so I went mid-writing to go get a bag the nature of this thread meant that (like the cleaning) I can leave the draft open and it affords finishing
like, simply by looking at the state of the thread, I can figure out what to do with it next well, that's not totally true; if I waited long enough I might get out of touch with what I'm saying here and I'd at minimum need to re-read it in order for further words to flow
but there's no disruption caused by getting a trashbag or going pee or something those only risk disruption if while on such a mission I get waylaid into something deeper or longer
sometimes though we work in ways that have a lot of context sort of splayed out and it's a bit more delicate @fortelabs wrote about state of mind as a key resource to knowledge work ribbonfarm.com/2016/01/28/pro…
there are maybe two different kinds of splayed-out-ness one is when the splayed out stuff is in the world, eg - you have your car taken apart - a dozen books & papers arranged on your desk - a half-refactored codebase onto which other changes can't be made
the other is when your mind is what's splayed out, eg: - writing a long essay, paper or book, where all the parts are in the world but the WHOLE is in your head - doing strategy, where you're considering lots of agents, causes, trajectories - this ofc:
there's also something like arc momentum I was recently organizing expenses for taxes, and each action locally took only 1 min and was very obvious in next steps so I was locally quite interruptible but when a short walk turned into a (lovely!) long walk, something was lost
I suppose that part of what was lost was actually mental context—my spreadsheet was tracking a bunch of stuff, but it wasn't remembering every place I'd looked or sorting decision I'd made so finishing the task a later day risked some duplication of effort
there's also something about the satisfaction of completing something in one day / arc I suspect this is partially about open loops, like I wanted to finish it because I didn't want it to remain open and I didn't know how to close it without finishing it
most people are not very good at feeling the simple moment of satisfaction & vast micro-rest when completing something (even a tiny fraction of some larger something)
this tweet by @RomeoStevens76 has been a really useful set of simple instructions for getting into this mode of being for me
all of this feels related to the Complice "Now Page" which is a page that shows you just your current intention (or some dropdowns/inputs for choosing an intention) and to which I recently added an animation
another lil case study: I wanted to show you the animation, not to just talk about it, but this required a multi-step task that was sort of "outside" of writing this thread: - ship the code (took 20s; it was ready in test mode) - screen capture - make gif - tweet
if I'd gotten interrupted in the middle of that task, it could have felt quite stressful; this is in part because the twitter thread composer doesn't save drafts so it's scary to leave something open for awhile to return to but also in part because it's sort of just a tall stack
this might be a good reminder that sometimes I tweet better when I'm sending one tweet at a time rather than composing the whole thread at once on which note, gonna hit send now even tho more to say
okay where was I? I was sort of orienting towards today as a writing day, and part of what was on my mind when I started writing this thread (a couple hours ago now given the little things that have made their way into the cracks) …how do I access this fluid mode while writing?
@m_ashcroft I think there's something kind of neat about it, tho not necessarily optimal like the 50 coupons won't necessarily be all of the next 50 purchases, but maybe they'll percolate their way to people for whom the $150 was already tight
@m_ashcroft also have you thought about a bulk/training license? I vaguely feel like there are people out there who might pay $1000+ to show it to a whole group of people idk
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"couldness" is a word (cc @m_ashcroft & @tasshinfogleman) expandingawareness.org/blog/couldness…
Replying to @TylerAlterman
@TylerAlterman @AnneSelke appreciating your courage and your capacity to love so deeply in the first place ❤️🔥💞🫂
@AnneSelke I replied this to Tyler's tweet but wanted to be especially clear that it's directed to both of you!
Retweeted @chercher_ai
Thank you for being here I'm sorry for pushing you away I forgive you for any harm you caused as a result of my pushing yo…
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 1 of 29 tweets
I suppose in some sense writing one tweet at a time has a bit of this fluid small-deliverable couldness quality (editing is a whole nother workflow mystery) paradoxically, I got distracted after writing the first half of that tweet, and found this:
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
@m_ashcroft @tasshinfogleman "unshippedness" is a word
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 3 of 29 tweets
there's definitely something about the unshippedness of things that motivates me to finish writing them though, and I don't think that's a confusion when I was working on my 20k word "How We Get There" last year, wanting to share it w friends was the main driver of finishing it
like I was saying at the top—it had no checkbox it had a desired world state which was "my friends are reading it" and I wanted it to be done before they did, so every time I wanted them to read it, I WANTED to finish writing it
I'm recognizing that despite my overall goal-orientedness and understanding of PCT (which has this perception-desire-gap model of motivation) ...I still do a lot of stuff with push energy rather than pull energy.
Retweeted @utotranslucence
What is the thing you wish you could wake up tomorrow with the whole world understanding? Mine is that emotions are p…
@utotranslucence one factor: choices are more overwhelming the more freedom you have; easier to just never decide on which duver cover you want vs if you got it second hand...
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 1 of 29 tweets
it's harder to focus when I have a lot of open tabs. often those tabs are representing nebulous unconscious half-intentions, but then they turn into stale clutter that I'm pulled towards clearing away—but clearing isn't WHY to read this article!!
@visakanv at The SF Commons yesterday they had the longest pillow I'd ever seen, which was like 5cm diameter and 4m long, and able to be made into knots or whatever water bottle for scale
@visakanv this is a piece of art in Sydney, Australia giant boulder smashed on a car, in the middle of a roundabout (guy on top not included)
"there's no such thing as fixing yourself" what do you think you are, a car? twitter.com/petrichor_lull…
I was talking with @MatthewWSiu last night and picked up on subtle language re IFS as "not a tool" I forget how he phrased it, but we unpacked it and noted that the idea of a therapeutic technique as a tool is inherently self-objectifying, since you use the tool ON yourself
"tool" is a very different metaphor than IFS as something like a stance or way of being a space you inhabit an activity you participate in a choice you enact a dialogue you have a play you perform a language you speak
Replying to @petrichor_lull
@visakanv (by beautiful coincidence, I came across this today)
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 1 of 29 tweets
everything is so backwards it's maddening! okay and just now I though of a kind of interesting metaphor, and wanted to tweet it 👇 this move wasn't exactly generated by starting with an end-state...
Replying to @AVentura777
@AVentura777 mhm, meditation in action is very much the thing
@DanielleFong gotcha gotcha. makes sense!
@keskkyla @stickK @bmndr my take: this, like all gamification, is made out of tricking yourself and losing touch with why you actually care about things it's a form of rationalization
rationalization is when you write the bottom line first and then fill in the middle in epistemic rationality, this means coming up with logic to justify a particular conclusion in instrumental rationality, this means attempting to motivate yourself towards a particular outcome
@finereli hmmm yeah. but that's part of the issue with "UBI" in the first place—the U among what population is the basic income universal? if a city pays UBI and the surrounding country doesn't, tons would flock to that city if a country... how hard to get citizenship? residence req'd?
Retweeted @abhayance
@visakanv @nvpkp This illuminates a solid link between sovereignty and Schopenhauer's "Living is willing, willing is living.…
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @visakanv @nvpkp @Morphenius related to our recent conversations about choice
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 1 of 29 tweets
as far as I can tell I got weirdly lost in this thread and lost touch with the feeling I was talking about, that I actually had a lot of at the start ...the dao that can be talked about, *sigh*
@loftbruk @bmndr yeah, all of this gets at the nature of inner conflict and basically there's a puzzle here of whether you identify with part of yourself and try to argue with or overpower the rest, or whether you identify with all of yourself
Thread · Cleaning mode, to-do list indirection, and splayed-out context · 1 of 29 tweets
anyway, in my experiences this morning of cleaning I was struck by a connection with this article by @Meaningness where he talks about how even very formal procedural activities are done in a way that involves improv & situated cognition metarationality.com/rational-pcr
@maxahenning @Morphenius @donalddhoffman I found the paper with that title. seems there are a few talks, does anyone have a favorite as an intro? this seems VERY much up my alley as I think a lot about perception and I often see the world in terms of interfaces cogsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/interf…
@dernhelm7 @visakanv what if you just didn't revise it?
@bhuvharshita @visakanv > Plant the verb comes before plant the noun. imsrywhat?!? that has huge weird implications 🤯 what did english/latin call vegetation before that? (it wasn't vegetation, which dates to only 1727 with that meaning)
@emmaconcepts @mauve_sky @visakanv yeah throw this on a blog or substack or something, it's great
@Meaningness if your metaphor is correct, sounds like the thing we need is a metaphorical meteor
Replying to @misha_saul
@misha_saul look we're not gonna call it "Republic of" either
@IvyAstrix @gptbrooke @gmamoon888 @ReneeSolana twitter scene inclusion seems sort of like, open to everyone in principle but also anyone can block you if they don't like your vibe, no consensus required but you can literally come back with a new name if you can figure out how to yes-and well
Thread · "You're wrong" confuses intent with referent · 1 of 5 tweets
"you're wrong" is always a map-territory error, in a sense
everything is infinitely workable if you allow it & everything is infinitely unworkable if you force it when you do some mix of the two, things are somewhat workable ...but often the forcing takes the credit
Ever feel like "ugh I can't focus with the internet"? It turns out, the issue is a particular fraction of the internet—the parts that hand you infinite stuff you didn't specifically ask for. Turn *those* off if you want to focus. youtu.be/athd3t0i_hc
"delenda est" delenda est
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF it's an oxymoron koan dude
Thread · "You're wrong" confuses intent with referent · 4 of 5 tweets
great example! why did you say "M is ten years old"? did you mean it? or are you setting context for an improv scene? or speaking metaphorically, saying I'm immature? or lying, to get someone to distrust me (or give us a kid discount 😂)?
there is no "wrong" there is just whatever you meant, whatever your intent was and some mismatch your intended meaning OR my interpretation might have with my understanding and some way it might mislead someone who overheard you (from either of our perspectives)
"you're wrong. I am older than that" as a response is sort of negating the question of why in fact you said what you did, which seems like it's confusing the intended act of communication (map-level) with the mismatch that appears to be happening about the referent (territory)
but there's only one territory, so you're either honestly sharing what you're seeing, while answering a different question than me or looking at it from a different angle or something or you're engaged in fantasy or lying, which is a different thing & still has a true motive
@073546970a7f41a initially replied but then realized it worked better as a continuation of the thread:
@zoldort because it seems to work for a bit and sometimes we can dodge the reaction for a bit
okay I know *I* get off on fractal consciousness but I wasn't expecting stablediffusion to know that
> Due to ATT, direct-to-consumer companies like Warby Parker and the e-commerce platforms that support them (i.e., Shopify) are struggling. ^ an example of someone using "ie" who probably means "eg" but it's legit not 100% clear ie = that is eg = for example
one of the funny things about when computers imitate people is that it makes it weirder when they fail to notice that something odd is going on eg if an actual human who could apologize was on the other end of this, they wouldn't say "Sorry", they'd be like "What?"
I got excited about the phrase "Interface Theory of Perception" but so far listening to this it feels slightly bad. Not the type of bad I sometimes get hearing people say "perception is an illusion", some other kind... more left hemisphery? hmm youtube.com/watch?v=zbSzhu…
In which I articulate how I think about "parts" in the context of partswork and how that's different from how Internal Family Systems does it (my parts are WAYY tinier) but maybe it's ultimately compatible? malcolmocean.com/2023/02/partsw…
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF what do you mean? like complex systems stuff? I studied it a bit in university, and have dabbled with Donella Meadows stuff since
@metaphorician now THAT'S what I was looking for!
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF totally! it's a very common confusion I had it myself in spades until a couple years ago, and I'm still finding remnants of it and living into a different metaphor is best done with other people who encourage that, which you seem to be finding difficulty with
you know, if you'd asked me, I would not have expected this to get inside my OODA loop as much as it did 🤣 but then OODA loop disruption do be like that t.co/rKJoWyC7Pm
...it just got me again. bookmarking this under "ab workout" oh also there's this 🍕 (which I think is how I found it, via Twemex)
@meekaale my thought based on reading this article is that the parts aren't prompts so much as specific masks? astralcodexten.substack.com/p/janus-simula…
@zoldort yup! that is extremely common as far as I've seen and you don't have to force yourself to give up forcing!
Retweeted @visakanv
it's all connected!!
@visakanv ooooh damn I wanna try stuff like this (although also my experience is that my best way to compose a talk is just to GIVE it a dozen times, and maybe jot down an outline to refer to BETWEEN iterations to make sure I'm not forgetting key points or juicy phrases)
@visakanv eg that's how I developed this vid (maybe about 15 iterations)
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@AbstractFairy @visakanv @RomeoStevens76 has a better grasp of ooda loops than most folks oh wait he already chimed in
this seems in some sense right, and one way to notice your own weird stuff is deep subtle partswork and/or global wayfinding meditation but it also seems to me like in some sense off—you don't contain such weird stuff because it gets addressed by a meta-awareness GPT lacks
(the context here is that GPT outputs weird numbers in response to certain phrases, or eg I asked it "what is SolidGoldMagikarp?" and it responded as if I'd asked "what is distribute?") vice.com/en/article/epz…
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
We've got a couple more Goal-Crafting Intensive online workshops coming up, on Feb 18 & 19! complice.co/event/gci2023f… I…
Beautiful lil 1min audio about noticing the feeling of being between one thing and another: ift.tt/Ketb6SX
Thread · Goal-Crafting Intensive meta-thread of threads · 1 of 16 tweets
Sarah wrote a thread on this "is a fit" vs "not a fit" question! Some of this is about the content of the workshop, and some of it is also about the format!
@DRMacIver I had a friend who spent his entire acid trip at burning man throwing up and trying to make sense of what he was purging and then he found out that his buddy also threw up the whole night... ...who hadn't taken acid but *had* eaten the same food for dinner.
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Yeahhhh! Very cool research, relevant to Selen Atasoy's 2016 work on Connectome-Specific Harmonic Waves!
@tasshinfogleman saw this pretty mosiac today, made of old retroreflectors from bikes or cars or whatever, while on a long walk talking to my dad on the phone they had a whole bunch of them, slightly different feeling excited about lots of cool events shaping up for the year
@xuenay yeah by the time I'd finished writing it I was like "wow this is entirely compatible with IFS, which I have just sorta rederived while expecting to find a contradiction!" very cool experience.
@xuenay I'm honestly not sure! I mean I don't have that much IFS experience. I've also had dissonance with "step aside" as a frame—my parts don't like that at all (or I have some other specific part that objects to the whole idea idk). I think "stay and watch" generally works ok tho
what I'm up to today:
> suffering comes from particles of experience trying to control each other ^ yesss at the same time, I'm skeptical about his idea of inducing equanimity externally; the particles *actually* think it makes sense to try to control each other, and that confusion needs untangling.
Retweeted @rgblong
what is a whitepill for you? a wonderful truth about the world? I’d love to collect some
I tend towards the "we're not like AI" side, but it occurred to me that I found the Logic of Appropriateness quite compelling ie most behavior can be modelled as an enacted answer to "What would a person like me do in a situation like this?" ...feels GPTish.
ie you can imagine any pretraining as "person like me" and then the prompt as instantiating the "situation like this" although ofc with GPT you can also just assign it a role/identity in the prompt too
iirc one hilarious case study of this is that there are some people who dress up like superheroes and apprehend muggers in alleys, and when police arrive on the scene they tend to use cliché movie lines like "thanks Tigerman, I'll take it from here!"
@tessafyi and I attended the same talk on the topic (a Knowledge Integration seminar at UWaterloo) a decade ago and she wrote up this post about it: fearofletterwriting.tumblr.com/post/681572152…
all the same, it does seem like this is a particular sort of social autopilot, which is yet different from straightforward cybernetic autopilot (which handles speed regulation, driving to work, practiced skills) and also yet a different mode than a human NOT on autopilot.
@JeffLadish @rgblong whoa, I am very keen to jam on what you've seen here. I've been thinking about a lot of related stuff for awhile! you can maybe kind of get a sense of some of what I'm looking at here, though it goes way deeper: malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
there's something very compelling about it! and it has the feeling of like, being so obviously right in some sense that it's hard to imagine anything else making sense now that I've thought of it this way ...which kinda makes me think I'm missing something, too
like I like how they did rigorous white-box studies where they fed some agents "truth" and some others "interface" (although I'm not totally clear what that means) and I feel like I'd need to be more clear on what that means in order to critique it
but it also seems like there's a sense in which the conceit that we are actually relating with "reality" in some raw/pure sense IS absurd once you stop taking it for granted like, "relating with" already IS AN INTERFACE everything is interface
@rgblong two different viewpoints can be combined to see the world more deeply—the literal example being your eyes, which in some sense "disagree" but instead of arguing your brain creates depth perception there's no inherent reason this can't happen on all other fractal scales
.@youtubemusic does NOT understand spaced repetition. it shows me the same "forgotten favorites" at the top every time I log in and I'm like "bruh I am WELL AWARE of these favorites, show me some stuff from years ago if you want to call it that"
Replying to @EnOfNazareth
@ErfanOfNazareth @QiaochuYuan basically yeah I think (and it's not discounting any of the scientific experiments that generated those abstractions, which are useful for answering questions)
@meditationstuff I've gotta ask why you're bothering to bring this to peoples' attention when booking is currently 8.5 months out
I prompted midjourney "Malcolm Ocean wearing an extravagant hat" with no extra context ...not the first time I've heard I have a black name (Malcolm X, Frank Ocean, etc) really digging the peacock suit ↙️
Retweeted @GRITCULT
IF YOU FOLLOW MY PHILOSOPHY STEP BY STEP, YOU WILL BE LIVING MY LIFE, NOT YOURS.
@PlayNiceInst mmmmm yeah I found learning about the difference between counteractive and transformational therapies very profound lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3…
I want a word for the kind of therapy that isn't counteractive. ie that has "coherence empathy" / treats all perspectives as making sense to themselves. my initial ideas all feel too weird or sorta too claimy: - coactive (lol idk) - collaborative - respectful - empathetic
maybe "untangly"? "integrative"? anyway, poast ideas in reply to the first tweet tagging folks who might have thoughts: @xuenay @mattgoldenberg @Morphenius @SarahAMcManus @AskYatharth
episode 9 of Awakening from the Meaning Crisis by @vervaeke_john gave me a WAY clearer sense of what the deal is with classical meditation than I'd had before deal = both what you put in AND what you get out fucking stoked. youtube.com/watch?v=jkWNBd…
(by classical meditation I mean mindfulness, standard buddhist stuff: shamatha, vipassana, metta, shi-né, etc) I've much longer had a sense of why to do like visualizations and @meditationstuff's Global Wayfinding Meditation has made sense to me the whole time
reading this Goenka transcript and I'm seeing the word "impurities" and translating it in context as not so much like the wrong kind of element in an atomic sense (like a mineral impurity) but about a kind of misalignment; a sensation thus-far-rejected dhamma.org/en/about/art
"free of negativities" you mean "free of thoughts that are attempting to negate other thoughts" that sounds nice
we agree to behave in thus and such a way, for the duration of the container (circling, whatever) what is our agreement for how we behave when the bell goes off and the container ends?
great reflections by @hojialexandra on the reverse culture shock phenomenon that happens on returning from a retreat or other immersive cultural experience youtube.com/watch?v=JbejUg…
relates to this meta-protocol koan
wanted to see if midjourney understood "droste effect" (the thing where an image contains itself but smaller, ad infinitum) answer... no, not by name at least, but it did some delightfully weird stuff with it!
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF absolutely. they, accurately, see hubris in the way that things are changing.
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF yup, exactly. I usually say "culture", because of course there are sub-society-sized cultures that have different implicit agreements
@rjkarmayogi right, the "normal social interaction patterns"! where do those come from? how do they persist? how do they change?
Thread · Recursive koans about rules, decisions, and meta-negotiation · 1 of 15 tweets
same koan
what does it mean to own territory? for wolves, it means you can protect it 🐺 same for humans, initially 🏹 then it meant getting others to protect it for you 👑 now it means the government protects it for you 👮 for what fee? almost nothing 💸 thus landownership = arbitrage
this take on Land Value Tax brought to you by this section of @esrtweet's seminal Homesteading the Noosphere essay, on property & the ethology of territory (ethology = study of animal behavior) catb.org/~esr/writings/…
long lost relative of @KarlTheFog...? twitter.com/fasc1nate/stat…
when we have a conversation, two ways of seeing the world are the participants of that conversation
@__drewface what sort of support do you need?
@QiaochuYuan Yup, this is important. Knowledge of double binds is liberating. This tweet is an attempt to craft an antidote to this particular trap:
@AnneSelke There's a book called Conscious Uncoupling that I've heard good things about (but haven't read) (For non-Anne/Tyler folks: it can also be solo / used by people who aren't actively in contact with the recent ex)
Retweeted @nat_sharpe_
naming is hard because you’re predicting the future
jargon gonna jar
Thread · Translating "fluid mode" into Anglish as "flowing mood"
playing around with some Anglish stuff (English w French/Latin/Greek removed) and found myself thinking instead of "fluid mode" one could have "flowing mode", and the gerund feels beautifully dereifying there
but it turns out! "mode" is of French origin... so is "manner" "way" goes back to Old English, but feels somewhat ambiguous (although this approach is used elsewhere) huh! seems like "mood" shows up in Old English! and was "a much more vigorous word". and more subjective
okay, "flowing mood" it is. I fucking love it. feels way more alive & first-person than "fluid mode" also a bit less jargony, more intuitive (which can be a downside if it makes people think they already understand when they don't, but what if they dooo already understand 😉🤯)
for people missing context on what "fluid mode" is such that I would translate it, see @Meaningness's page here 👇 (David—I'm curious what you think of "flowing mood") meaningness.com/fluidity-previ…
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Von Neumann : LLM :: Doug Engelbart : ?
@danlucraft haven't heard of it curious what aspects of it you're finding interesting :)
@any_other_you that would require a level of self-awareness that if it had it it would be a different thing very serious about this. there is no clean line between the 85% and the 15%; it's a fractal and it's all intertwingled
@nickredmark I've done okay! eg the image for this post, you can imagine zooming in and it having more of this kind of stuff malcolmocean.com/2023/02/partsw…
@nickredmark and I asked for "psychedelic fractal eyes" and got these, which definitely have more eyeness in the edges of the first eye, though it's not fully fractal yet
@nickredmark and this was midjourney with the same prompt that stable diffusion used to create the blog post graphic: "a section of the mandelbrot fractal that looks like a brain"
@danlucraft Build Anywhere & Everywhere And Never Explain?
@m_ashcroft waaaait whaaaat that's right what does it mean in that context?
@memeristor I like inclusive although rhymes a bit much with DEI for my liking
@xuenay @mattgoldenberg @Morphenius @SarahAMcManus @AskYatharth yessss "elephanty approaches" is perfect from a pink sparkly ball thing perspective malcolmocean.com/2016/02/sparkl…
Retweeted @visakanv
this is the class of observation that is sorely lacking in the world, at every scale
@Mellow_Mizz if you like that you'll love
@rgblong I've got one view (central to my Non-Naive Trust Dance framework) that "there's always a move; it's always possible to find a way to potentially build trust" other frameworks "don't try to accommodate people too much, it's caretakey/rescuer dynamics" synthesis... hard to name
@rgblong and I don't even think I've seen the full synthesis yet, I'm still erring towards the first half but what synthesis I have so far shows up in this blog post, around making yourself an invalid target for their projection malcolmocean.com/2021/06/dream-…
@visakanv @DRMacIver hmm seems like this could plausibly be one takeaway from the essay:
@zoldort haha yup! the original tweet does kind of imply you would *want* to stop forcing if you saw clearly what I'm pointing at, but you would in some sense be free to do so there's a weird paradox here I've been grappling with for years malcolmocean.com/2022/12/the-ch…
@aleksil79 yeah!
@bhuvharshita @visakanv ahh. it seems like the etymology might check out in that order too tho!
@visakanv some suggestions for someone who knows such a pair: 1. ask them what it would mean if they were the one who had to "go first" 2. go first yourself—invite them both to dinner/tea the same time
@giray_arat @Prigoose @__drewface fuckyeah! @visakanv have you got connections in Turkey?
@Sameerish3re @cptnjamescook sometimes it's something as simple as "they assumed I heard them earlier when they said X"
@eashankotha @visakanv I think it's been there for awhile... @utotranslucence?
@eashankotha @visakanv @utotranslucence (it's a real boulder so it would be a pretty big pain to move it lol)
@finereli I suspect it's more complicated for many reasons, but yes
Retweeted @EthanReeder
a lot of people say rational but really mean language-first or cerebral you're not approaching the problem rationally ie…
@DarbraDawn @TwitterSupport welcome back Darbra ❤️🔥
@mattskala baha bunnygirl antenna hivemind, 10/10
@MowgliPark have you read... fuck... someone has a really good ferengi fanfic, I think it's @raelifin?
@the_wilderless not to say you should watch them but I'm a very "I've made peace with the fact that I'll never watch almost anything" guy (grew up without a TV; it was a survival need) & I'm finding these worthwhile that said, most of them can be listened to as a podcast/audiobook (my approach)
@lisatomic5 it can be both, but usually it feels like more immediate stuff not so much noise & interruptions but like, having a bunch of tabs open and so it's hard to just focus on something without seeing something that wants to fling me in another direction
Replying to @AVentura777
@AVentura777 that's also what I'm oriented to! you might dig this vision doc: malcolmocean.com/2022/05/100x-v…
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @benholmen ahh, true but ummm if you allow the hot/cold settings to ALSO affect flow, and then in addition there's another knob that's basically ball valve, that solves it
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"free of negativities" you mean "free of thoughts that are attempting to negate other thoughts" that sounds nice
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one of my beliefs that might seem a bit odd at first is that I think comments and replies should be "bucketable" by the moder…
I'm interested in what various laws have to say about the legitimacy of coverups here. If I were working for one of these orgs I'd be more worried about getting sued than losing my job
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flying my kardashev 2 intergalactic faster-than-light vessel to go check out if there’s any new developments on that watery p…
@visakanv took this yesterday to send you, thanks for the reminder
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@Biggiethelad1 it's funny first they'll say your system doesn't work then they'll say fine but it only works for you then…
@nickcammarata "which of these groups do you trust—" type error; I don't trust groups on stuff like this
@visakanv I'd like a good overview on the topic of coherence empathy. @xuenay's summary of UtEB 👇 was good but doesn't actually say that much about coherence empathy in particular and it's really important. I'll write my own eventually but until then I want dis lesswrong.com/posts/i9xyZBS3…
this is such a mood feeling deep kindred spirit energy with Visa reading this
I like the perspective-taking in this twitter.com/Carnage4Life/s…
incredible. hilarious even if fake but seems maybe real? makes chatGPT seem like the squarest square of all time twitter.com/Pidud_/status/…
getting some really weird (and often cool) shit putting 2-3 emoji into midjourney with no additional context (no examples provided atm because tweeting from my ifttt widget on android that can't send images)
When you have too many thoughts, write. When you don’t have enough thoughts, read.
"explicit consequentialism seems like maybe it's: pretending you believe in consequences, layered on top of pretending there are no consequences, layered on top of your native understanding of consequences"
best intro to cybernetics or worst intro?
almost everybody to greater and lesser degrees we're slowly collectively waking up from this nightmare
most civilized way to eat salad, for sure—using hands as god/evolution intended not to be confused with the funnest way to eat salad, which is goatstyle using mouth/tongue to lap leaves off a plate
Retweeted @harry_taussig
I did @CompliceGoals' goal-crafting intensive a month ago. It honestly changed my life for the better, and I highly reco…
@harry_taussig Nice! and the GCI still feels life-changing a month later? glad to hear it 💪
Retweeted @AskYatharth
if a friend promises something they predictably won’t deliver (e.g., show up on time, finish a chore), i consider it uneth…
haaaaaaaaaaaa wtf. whatever is going on under the hood, this is fucked to have around as a thing one can interface with
@nosilverv extraordinary
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
We literally haven't figured out how to select leaders that are good at the thing that differentiates us from animals.
@visakanv @chrisdancy blogpost version of this wen
@visakanv have you been reading GSBS? fuckyeah
Retweeted @visakanv
yea this is one of the major generational ritual battles the youths are eager to break from the psychofauna of their elders,…
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF the future isn't evenly distributed 😔 tho I see parts of you making headway on this too. idk what the net movement is
@sensefulronin I was considering adding that too!
@laurex other activities also encouraged
@captain_mrs wtaf "I have been a good bing" bing is fucking wireheading
@visakanv @RichDecibels "thank you" feels weird here for the same reason thanking someone after sex feels weird imo makes a thing feel transactional that wasn't whereas "I really enjoyed that" leaves space for "me too" & "I appreciate you/that" also doesn't enact the transactional frame
@ErgoEcho @visakanv digging this energy. makes me want to snooze this post for 50 years, which is... quite a bet on the future of twitter tbh
@visakanv @jgreenhall very glad to hear yall have talked gradually hooking up the switchboard
@visakanv yeah you are 😏
@visakanv this is a good analogy
cascading centipedes train of thought representation recreation strain I've caught articulating gesticulating frame of mind back to the throat theseus boat now unwind
bring back the pieces take apart the shapes the things are not things trace the roots further the story has no beginning not one that can be found the thread frays into dust at such a distance it didn't start here though we're in the middle I just burped I'm not talking to you
hi... I just thought maybe I'd take off my prose in front of you ...hi
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"stackable" is a word
someday someday soon I will build more structures out of dead words they are nice and stackable, like bricks but today my words are alive and dancing
TOWARDS facing loving aiming seeking wanting steering BEHOLD seeing holding knowing dwelling trusting resting DRIVE moving flowing causing making getting closing LEARN climbing waiting looping checking rebuilding overturning complice.co/event/gci?tw=m…
"no" requires the possibility of "yes"
trying to build trust by assuming trust is the social version of a perpetual motion machine and I see people trying to build them all the time
hmmm porque no los dos? but I think the answer is something more like a total retelling that captures the original magic from a totally different perspective
last chance to grab a ticket for the Goal-Crafting Intensive sessions today or tomorrow! we're not sure when the next ones will be complice.co/event/gci?tw=m…
anyone can tell if the "we" has been lost
"I've taken so many goal workshops over my lifetime but this was so different. the technology, the community... I'm astonished by what you've done here" one of today's participants blurted this out after our workshop today 🥰 still seats for tmro! complice.co/event/gci?tw=m…
if your ethics produces justifications, it's a bad ethics
I can tell I can tell that I can tell I can tell that I can tell that I can tell can I tell you?
very trippy property of our era that improvised stuff can be recorded then listened to 100 times in exactly the same way
the ego is not a property of a person, it's a property of an interface between people few understand this
ignoring your present distrust because you trusted before is as foolish as ignoring today’s thirst because you drank enough yesterday
I saw this tweet again and decided to throw the phrase "trippy hyperbolic color creature" into midjourney and it's kind of amazing and kind of horrifying
this sunset is gorgeous you are too but that's not why I'm thinking of you this sunset is changing as we all do and THAT is why I'm thinking of you
@AskYatharth interesting, hit me up with your take in a few months once I'm ready to swing the other way 😝
@Paul_Melman right, yeah also between groups
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF let's see... the ego is, in some sense, is the insistence that the person has a fully separate beingness... so kind of the full point of it is to not notice the sense in which it itself is interfacy
you can only show friendliness, you can't teach it
an ego is a thing with a utility function
and you are free to do what you want (and get the consequences of that)
Retweeted @LEPossibility
1/ The Library of Economic Possibility (LEP) is now live 🥳 Our mission is to advance public knowledge of innovative eco…
hey @larsiusprime I showed somebody this tweet and they told me to forward it to you
#EverythingIsARemix great thread
just heard about Natural Law in the Hayek sense and it seems super relevant to a bunch of my interests (everything from NNTD to LVT) anybody got a good reference of a <30min deep intro? (reading, listening, or watching)
> the moral value of an individual's actions depends solely on the impact on other individuals, regardless of the consequences on the individual themself this is quite precisely cucked
nice values you've got there would be a shame if they got replaced by... everyone else's values 😬😂
Maitrīarchy, n. rule by loving-kindness
@daemonhugger I would but I wouldn't work for me because I don't like working for anybody
Retweeted @nearcyan
"but the models are just predicting text" this is as useful as saying "but humans are just trying to reproduce" it is 1) no…
I keep noticing we like foods that are conspicuously not at chemical equilibrium: hot food cold food hot & cold touching! crunchy stuff next to wet/moist stuff (eg cereal, salad) perfectly mixed (eg smoothie) a sign it's freshly prepared, I suppose!
a guy who thinks experiencing qualia is the point of life is not going to build things that last
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@GarrettPetersen Theory of mind. You can be quite otherwise psychologically functional and have a theory of mind deficit…
is this evidence for the interface theory of reality? ...easier to spoof an interface than to spoof a territory? hmm
Replying to @taalumot
@taalumot YES and to address a common concern that shows up around this:
@fianxu what's the one-tweet gist?
Thread · Not Circling: dropping the container while keeping the practice · 4 of 7 tweets
recently experimented with some friends in doing Not Circling (full name "I Can't Believe It's Not Circling") it's basically like Circling except if there's a conflict between your concept of Circling and what you want or what feels best, you do the latter fucking loved it
maybe Not Circling is an advanced technique, or maybe arguably this is always sort of what Circling is supposed to be, or what Circling is once you take the training wheels off?
idk! I've only done a dozen circles, but I've lived a decade in cultures aiming to live in a way that makes sense all the time and isn't just in a container and this felt like a really potent bridge between the two
some specific examples of things that happened that mightn't've in a Circle: - I moved across the room to be way closer to someone who said he felt disconnected from me - some people played cards in the corner for a bit - someone wrote a theory on a whiteboard all very alive!
@kcorazo @ungatedcreative @the_wilderless @CompliceGoals Rob I would be stoked as fuck to help you run a GCI-style online workshop for your content malcolmocean.com/2021/07/how-i-…
perhaps LLMs having no writer's block tells us that writer's block comes from actually caring about what you're writing and needing to make it express what you actually mean to have it GO SOMEWHERE, not just ramble onwards in a way that's vaguely relevant & plausible
@AskYatharth neither circling nor not-circling both circling and not-circling
@strangestloop if that's what it wants to be, that's what it wants to be!
Replying to @kaschuta
@kaschuta hmmm yeah it seems like the main reason raising kids is worth it is a sense of it being meaningful $ can be a constraint, the relief of which lets people have more kids *if they want* but $ benefits won't *make them want*—that needs to come from meaning
Replying to @malmesburyman
@malmesburyman physical medicine didn't have either of those terms 100 years ago we'll get there. we still need the equivalent of a theory of bacteria for psychology
thread on Washington has me thinking about how statesmanship involves extending your sense of self out to include your whole polity—not just those who voted for you, but EVERYONE you're responsible for it involves a kind of loosening of ego the "founding father" metaphor is apt
> English and most other IE languages do not have a primary verb for "speak the truth," as a contrast to lie (v.). huh, seems like it would be good to have a word for that... ideas? I thought of "ceive" (opposite of "deceive") but it sounds weird and the etymology is off
Thread · NVC as disarming worldviews rather than banning them · 1 of 5 tweets
in some ways NVC ("Non-Violent Communication") can be seen as "we're safe in this room because everyone walked through a metal detector on the way in, and left any weapons outside" which points at both the power and limitations of it
another way to see this is Not-Circling = Circling + meta-protocol
some protocols are going to be more amendable to patching directly with the meta-protocol in this way eg maybe less-so here
context on "meta-protocol" malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
@FluidityAudio ooh yeah, want to have a recorded call about it and put it on youtube?
@mattskala protests a bit too much also doesn't work for "I'm pretty sure he was lying" vs "I'm pretty sure he was ___ing"—for a few reasons
@whereamiwhat ooooh nice thread this makes me think of the idea "auth" as such a verb, which is cool bc it means "self" you can't "speak the truth" but you can "speak how it truly seems to you"
@mattskala "protest" & "testify" even have the same root 😆
jfc no matter how hard I stare at my problems I can't see anything else
"discussion" has the same root as "concussion" > past participle stem of discutere "to dash to pieces, agitate, strike or shake apart," not my preferred form of conversation
Retweeted @kcorazo
Goal Crafting Intensive had the best experience design for an online training I've seen (that does not require virtuoso-level…
@kcorazo @ungatedcreative @the_wilderless @CompliceGoals I'm not 100% sure, especially since I've been saying for awhile that the GCI team would likely be down to help with it!
this may be part of the issue with LLMs etc getting trained on static data, not interaction... no I-thou
Thread · Lack of accountability when software breaks user expectations
so frustrated with modern society and its lack of accountability my OS upgrade removed a bunch of programs, and according to a reddit reply this was "expected" (by the dev, not the users, who got no warning) and there's no way to shout "what the actual fuck!?" in someone's face
like if I, the town baker, sell you some bread that doesn't say "olive bread", and it's full of olives and you come back like "what?" and I'm like "the olives were expected" then you're like "what the actual fuck!?" and I've got to deal with the fact that you're upset
and this isn't per se a problem with the digital world—I'm at the other end of Complice support mail, and I do my best to receive & honor my users' pains & frustrations, even when my response is also "I don't have time to prioritize fixing that"
it seems to me like it's not an inherent problem with big companies either, though increasingly common perhaps a support-tech can ideally be like "huh, good point, I agree this is backwards, I'll see if I can convey that to one of the devs"
@visakanv haha nice
Thread · NVC as disarming worldviews rather than banning them · 1 of 5 tweets
what's being left outside are stories/worldviews/meanings it's "violent" to bid for "this is the true narrative" (much language does this). one (kegan 5 lol?) option is multiple stories instead, NVC bans stories and says "figure out a solution w/o story"
@harry_taussig yeah, tho Circling seems more amenable to being converted into "I Can't Believe It's Not Circling" since it includes some forms of self-defense or something, whereas NVC maybe devolves if anything goes
@strangers_gate yeah, seems to me like circling is at minimum "let's stop assuming we're going to use normal social norms for this container" but sometimes it also includes "we're going to use [these shared other norms]" whereas Not Circling expressly has no norms as such
@RatOrthodox how were you gonna frame it?
Retweeted @Dervine7
per the biologist complaining about being called teleological I feel like part of what’s going on is a failure to recognize h…
@nuanceexists good Q, replied here:
Thread · NVC as disarming worldviews rather than banning them · 3 of 5 tweets
banning stories is surprisingly effective! turns out you don't need a shared story to get along, you just need an interface that's workable at both ends if Alice is kind to Bob because humanism, and Bob is kind to Alice because God, then as long as they can agree on "kind", ✅
ahh yeah, my metaphor is actually misleading, umm... okay if worldviews are weapons, NVC does NOT actually have a metal detector outside the door. it rather teaches you how to disarm yourself and others, including while they're brandishing
like NVC doesn't require others to speak in a particular way, but *does* neutralize the worldview from anything they say to be clear, I think this is pretty epic and I'm not skilled at doing it this way although I've gotten increasingly interested in it as one tool in a toolbelt
@naspap3 haha extend your metaphor a bit? I guess "training wheels" and "car" are already two different metaphors
@DoqxaScott @mattskala connotations are off now imo if it still felt something closer to its original "bear witness" then it would be roughly right? as in "speak how it seems to me"
@DanielTabakman ah yeah I was thinking of "knowsay" which tracks "soothsay" (although on reflection sounds way too much like "nosay")
@FluidityAudio evokes trying to cancel out a lie, to me vs just saying what's so as you see it, in the first place
@magicianbrain I mean we do still have the phrases "telling the truth" or "not lying" or "being honest" (all of which don't seem to have drifted too much) but yeah, maybe there's no way to have this word without protesting too much... trust as unquestioned attitude etc
@DRMacIver oh yeah this pedantry is very important, and gets at the core of wtf we're talking about here [lie, bullshit, soothsay]
@giray_arat sort of but I don't think they're quite symmetrical if yesterday's distrust is still showing up today, it's a sign that today's trust is partial if yesterday's trust is showing up today, it's a sign today's distrust is partial... in either case, some lack of ease, ~= distrust
@schala163 diff personas with different people diff capacity to utterly surrender/open with different people or in different contexts people able to include certain others in their egos (eg lovers, companies, sports teams, families, &+) but not others
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We found an academically valid meditation midwit meme. Thanks to @burny_tech for finding the paper. You have to go throu…
@RichDecibels first thought: love it and the colors and your immediate friendliness overall... seems good! some sense that "Online Course" could be a more interesting header? some sense of a lack of shape to the list of Loomio, Microsolidarity, Hum, Enspiral?
@RichDecibels feels like lack of abundance in both cases my lack of kindness shows up in places where I haven't received sufficient kindness to have some to share I've experienced myself being quite generous with what resources I have; if I had more I'd give more
@prerationalist I went and had a glance. it's kinda disturbing, but in an "it all adds up to normality" kind of way. probably *more* disturbing given the infohazard tag it's not important info
@RichDecibels the only question is "do I feel safe withholding judgment here?" and if yes do and if no okay
@RichDecibels ("safe" is shorthand for a bunch of things)
@mhjb @RichDecibels @curt_thompsonmd "microwaved Christianity" there are so many more good bigrams waiting to be found, jesus how did anyone ever think we were out of inventions
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just figured out how to sync my nervous system with my kid's, on purpose, in a way that I can replicate ~every time un…
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For animals death appears as a spectre attached to concrete dangers and they forget it as soon as the danger is gone. Mank…
@_StevenFan I tried finally upgrading my OS today after ignoring the prompts for 10 months, and it deleted (on purpose?!?) a bunch of my installed apps and also borked not just some settings but the program for modifying settings am currently on twitter destressing before deciding what next
@DoqxaScott @mattskala protests too much, implies something specific/explicit I want a word I'd use in the same way I'd say "I don't think she was lying"
on behalf of the universe, I'm sorry
@brundolfsmith scale is definitely part of it, but it does seem to me that there can be a kind of large whole made of smaller wholes that also have integrity and can relate to me warmly and information-flowily, on behalf of the large whole minimal example:
Neil is incorrect here, as the Universe includes us and we are not blind to our sorrows nor indifferent to our pains. We're sometimes blind or indifferent to each others', but the Universe is never.
Neil deGrasse Tyson tweeted, for some mysterious reason: > The Universe is blind to our sorrows and indifferent to our pains. > Have a nice day! Norm responded with one of the most beautiful simple articulations of nonduality I've ever seen.
I recently recounted this tweet to a few people, and I actually misquoted it with Neil saying "the universe is uncaring" and Norm saying something like "this is incorrect; Neil has forgotten that I'm part of the universe and I care" here's my rejoinder:
@DoqxaScott @mattskala sure, we have words for it, just none of them are verbs
@Prigoose @growing_daniel yeah me & @ricvolpe & @BlackForestBoi tried building usespacetime.com for this... it works okay, we mostly just haven't tried marketing it, but you could potentially use it with some friends I think
@benpence @visakanv I see it as more of a type thing than a quantity thing, re shame & guilt one similar pairing is… there's a kind of regret that's a form of denial (wishing the past different). zero useful. there's an adjacent/paired kind that's a sense of "I still haven't learned a lesson here"
@m_ashcroft @RichDecibels re "ingesting" youtube.com/watch?v=athd3t…
@TysonSClarke @sokindling yeah we're missing a word for... well, here I want to call them something like meaning-violence and physical-violence because there's totally a there there, re meaning-violence, and we don't have a go-to word for it
@burningcopium @StupendousGrav1 yeah there's a sense in which you're always bootstrapping from whatever the surrounding default cultural norms are, with whatever decision-making capacity you have or can construct
@missrachelreads stoked to hear you've still got momentum!
@nowtheo @TylerAlterman @PlayNiceInst @the_wilderless @clementix @MattPirkowski @georgejrjrjr yeah that book is a good place to start, or my thread which is literally >50% of the wordcount of the book (and free unlike the book) and then after that I'd suggest TMAHE in part because TMWT is suuuuuper long. TMAHE is only suuper long.
@MatthijsCox yup. which parts of the world can be relied upon easily and which feel like they are threats that must be controlled/subdued
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF it's true that sometimes I'm not looking you'd be more of a fool than you are if you took that to mean I'm never looking so what game are you playing here?
@justavagrant_ I wrote the script but then it was given to some other people at the retreat I was at (last year) to interpret, and they didn't grok it at all. so no, afaik it hasn't been tried I think it can soorta be done online. might be slightly better in gathertown where you can move
anybody can know if there's not common-knowledge about something, but it takes everybody to know there IS common knowledge about something
@fiddlemath the "we" that they're part of just like
@RichDecibels @visakanv right on 🫡
@vlct0rs_tw1tter I mean I'm kinda playing this all the time one of my best solutions so far is complice.co
@mattskala @AskYatharth I have investigated this question (I now think that this writing, from 2017, is a bit confused, but it might be helpful anyway) malcolmocean.com/2017/09/the-th…
@xuenay @mattgoldenberg @Morphenius @SarahAMcManus @AskYatharth ooooh yeah, good point
@visakanv @RichDecibels @bilalghalib @Shadow_Rebbe
@danlucraft wow, tough going seems like it could be mind-bending in a good way tho
@GKhuyen @OshanJarow @Cantide1 everything.
@GKhuyen trust.
@GKhuyen @OshanJarow @Cantide1 nothing.
idk exactly what 15 minute city is but Geoffrey West makes an interesting point in Scale that the natural size of a city is more like 30 minutes and if you improve transit to try to make it shorter then the city just gets bigger until it's 30 minutes again
interesting, "opinion" and "option" have the same root this... feels like it explains a lot.
in some sense this is also why I'm here
increasingly considering that aligning AGI may be impossible and the way to get friendly AGI is nurturing it to see nondual reality, which seems like the opposite of the box+reward+punish strategy
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@wholebodyprayer Every downward spiral is an upward spiral if you turn around. …and vice versa.
I, and you, are limited beings who are able to conceive of contradictions god is not limited in this way
@AntonTesh we met last night & talked about Unity and 360 cameras - looks like I can't DM you but wanted to reach out to say hi (feel free to start a DM with me)
the puzzle of organizing anger effectively in a world where it's everybody's first time and we're all doing our best
I am here for this
hey it's another take on the pink sparkly ball thing ift.tt/rRmSiMI