@mattgoldenberg ahhh, yeah. but I guess I think they'd be pretty fucked whenever they're not on soma? maybe knowing soma is only a gramme away keeps them happily repressing at other times
September 2022
@thetracebrady @JakeOrthwein @AnnaLeptikon @_TeresaHart_ @mary_bajorek I'm broadly interested in this but I don't have much availability for calls the next month or so so I'm not inclined to try scheduling it
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"unfuddlers" is a word
@csageland @NurtureGirl @klaitner haha I'm mostly just doing words that I'm using naturally, but I guess all it takes it for me to say that "unfuddlers" does seem like a pretty good term and then yeah I'd want to add it to my own dictionary 😆
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"memeplex" is a word
@AskYatharth I've a pretty huge coherent philosophy, but while it is post-rational it's more directly post-[[[[the specific memeplex I was living in in waterloo that was already in one sense meta-rational but not that good at rationality]]]]
@AskYatharth insofar as your question has something to do with "what has twitter achieved" tho I'll also note that while the twitter scene has been advancing my perspective a lot, the main ingredients were just original-memeplex + coherence therapy + @meditationstuff's layering model
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"xenobiology" is a word
@timheiler ha! I mean, kinda not, though that seems to me more like it's just not relevant in a vacuum. you could say the same is true of biology re other planets, but you'd want an *alternative* xenobiology for each planet, so it's not isomorphic
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if you want real power I think you have to do bulking/cutting cycles of being inclusive/exclusive, agreeable/disagreeable. Mo…
@visakanv ooooh, banger tweet. I'm probably overdue for an exclusive/disagreeable mode this is as close as I've gotten lately
when I say "ayy", you say "lmao" ayy!
@_ali_taylor I'm investigating this, though currently on small scales (2-person org) and otherwise mostly rather abstractly eg see this article where I talk about "collective consciousness" as the group-level equivalent of Self malcolmocean.com/2022/06/what-i…
@_ali_taylor for more on my thinking here, you might dig this article which talks about trust-dancing in the context of management in an org malcolmocean.com/2021/09/nntd-p…
@_ali_taylor there are lots of people looking at related questions re organizations... like Robert Kegan's An Everyone Culture, or Brave New Work, or Senge's The Fifth Discipline, which is about Learning Organizations
@_ali_taylor you run into meta-cultural problems here where a lot of how most orgs make things work is via clear roles, that would preclude having leaders do anything that looks too therapeutic with their reports and yet some cultural norms/practices just *are* therapeutic in the background
@_ali_taylor eg if you squint you can maybe see how blameless postmortems map onto the assumption that every IFS part is trying to help etsy.com/codeascraft/bl…
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"trustable" is a word
"therapizer" is a word
"fixy" is a word
"the flow of information among members within a system will be called feedwithin in this book, to distinguish it from information exchanged with the system's environment, called feedback" I dig it! ...but they're the same: a system's feedwithin is a subsystem's feedback
relatedly, neighboring provinces import & export with each other, but from the country's perspective this is domestic product or on a very tiny scale:
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"overgeneralization(s)" is a word
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all generalizations are overgeneralizations
"all generalizations are overgeneralizations" that doesn't mean they aren't still useful!
"all generalizations are overgeneralizations" including this one! in particular, I would say that mathematical generalizations are generally correctly-sized
so more precisely, I might say something like "all generalizations about reality from personal experience are overgeneralizations" but probably even there this is still an overgeneralization!
how I like to think about this is that every subjective being is always explaining / making sense of THE WHOLE OF EVERYTHING, and doing so based on SOME BUT NOT ENOUGH DATA so the experiences we've had necessarily get stretched to cover the rest of everything
and this is why I say:
everyone is constantly overgeneralizing
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in other words, everyone is constantly overgeneralizing, and this is fine & necessary
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"-ness" is a word
Thread · GroupSelf as an emergent mode, not a person
a person can't be IFS Self for a group, because by definition the Self is trustable by all the parts, and there's no person who is fully trustable by all the other people in the group just as Self is an emergent mode, not a part GroupSelf is an emergent mode, not a person
note ofc that in IFS, sometimes the Self still has some other part blended with it or claiming to be it (a therapizer part, a fixy part.,) in which cases the other parts will appropriately not trust this false Self
and even if a person is inhabiting Self themselves, they still can't play the role of GroupSelf because they don't have access to others' perspectives in the way they have access to their own and people have different trust-functions
now, in general when the GroupSelf speaks it will be speaking out of a single individual's mouth at a time how does one tell the difference between that and the individual speaking, in oneself and others? I have the sense that this is learnable.....
but perhaps instead the thing to track is simply whether the perspective speaking generates distrust in you/others and then respect when that happens!
I've been playing around with the idea that "trust = subjective truth" ie "trust = truth in first person" thus: we distrust others' perspectives when they seem to negate what we ourselves know to be true we've all got a lot of practice self-negating
note that your own subjective truths are largely represented as generalizations, and *as generalizations* they are busy implying falsehoods but underneath is an experience, that can be interpreted better and better!
so perhaps we might say "iff GroupSelf is speaking, everyone in the group will feel space for their own perspective in what GroupSelf is saying" verbal practices (eg NVC) can help create this, but the question is whether it's working, not whether you're using the right language
it seems to me that GroupSelf-ness can be enhanced by learning to *hear* what others are saying in ways that still leave space for your own perspective, even if it's phrased it ways that seem to deny your perspective ideally with minimal distortion of *their* perspective
another part of the puzzle here is that people might have their own parts active that are busy rejecting what their other parts are seeing... ...which will make it hard for them to feel welcomed by any GroupSelf ...which implies it's very hard to HAVE GroupSelf in such a scene
I have once or twice managed to speak to two parts in someone that were at odds, in the same breath (tho addressing them separately) and have them both feel welcomed, and it was quite powerful but this is not always going to be possible in practice
this whole thread feels like a new edge of articulation of my main project, that's building on a few other new pieces that clicked into clarity for me while doing a bunch of unpublished writing & reflecting the last month would love to hear what inspires you, or critiques!
@_ali_taylor hi I wrote u a thread:
@m_ashcroft ah right, yeah! and then you're bringing that part's calibration in dialogue with some other possibility and some other awareness/experience, and letting it recalibrate you're not *correcting it*
Wow, I've now shipped & tweeted >2000 user-visible improvements to @CompliceGoals in the last ~8.5 years (1/day, w many lil breaks) "Startups rarely die in mid keystroke." -pg Thanks @bmndr for helping me keep typing! (see the UVIs at @compluvi or 👇) beeminder.com/m/complice-uvi
@xuenay hmmm it is, but something feels different somehow about how it's all in one mind like feels different internally to me, at least idk if I actually have a different declarative model about it as well but yeah good point
@xuenay although reflecting on this, it's sort of irrelevant to my point I'm saying merely being in a mode that's internally wholeness-oriented doesn't mean being able to be upwardly wholeness-oriented; other unknowns lurk in the other ppl, that your Self may not know how to account for
@xuenay I would agree that this analogy works okay and is useful! and that's part of why I'm saying it _doesn't_ work fully there's a different way more magical thing that happens when GroupSelf emerges, that's not just "we can mediate this conflict" but new patterns of attention & flow
@xuenay hmm. one response would be that if you want your group to be symmetrical (which a parent-child relationship isn't) then there ISN'T a special individual even if there's a trusted individual who's skilled at mediating, who decides when they have a conflict of interest?
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@OshanJarow tagging my nyc peeps @danielgolliher @__drewface @Prigoose
@visakanv I was just experiencing this but in an excited "challenge accepted" way a few minutes ago as I came across tens of thousands of words of old journal entries from 2020 with juicy bits from the early days of me boggling at the NNTD stoked to spend a week metabolizing it soon
@visakanv @deepfates guys you actually agree I think if it were a good idea for visa to do it, visa would want to do it. he's got well-calibrated wants
@visakanv @deepfates (and here "if you were passionate about it would be a bad idea" @deepfates is just committing a major counterfactual without a license afaik, but on behalf of the collective counterfactual-police I'll let it slide this once)
where'd u get ur ontology?
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New thread on coaches, from Mary's vantage point! Some new faces and in any case some new descriptions:
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"intentionality" is definitely a word
Mary did a thread on the coaches we've got for our upcoming goal-crafting intensives! Want to take your intentionality to the next level—whatever your current level is?
Just added Mary's thread to the meta-thread. Check this out for a ton of other thoughts on goal-setting and on the workshops themselves:
@xuenay Yeah, my thoughts on this are kinda subtle. Healthy groups can definitely have people at different developmental stages, and with different roles differently often, but... there's sthg about needing to differentiate the leader's personal viewpoint from their viewpoint-as-leader
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@toomuchincosmos I grew up without a TV and my mom would joke that instead we would watch the Moulinex (a fancy brand of food processor) Which like, I definitely did ever but probably not more than an hour total.
the Ns don't justify the means
In which a case is made that early humans somewhat consciously tried a diverse range of cultural styles, that iterated. I'm very curious how this fits with @DavidDeutschOxf's thesis about prehistoric human societies all being static. astralcodexten.substack.com/p/your-book-re…
One approach to unifying them is "no, they were more diverse than we've mostly imagined (some lavish, some ascetic, some egalitarian, some with chattel slavery) but they weren't consciously iterating."
That could cover most of it (though doesn't explain where the diversity came from per se) but doesn't cover the Iroquois confederation as described here: Were the Iroquois an early dynamic society with rational memes? (at least in a few dimensions)
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our radical culture change assumptions: 1/ the current system is perfectly adapted to its context 2/ blame & shame inhib…
@visakanv it's a very weird bootstrappy thing yes
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"modularize" is a word
@visakanv I can't do "summarize" but I can on rare occasions do "distill" or "modularize", eg
@daemonhugger hire people to build stuff I want to see built (like apps and stuff) ...that could easily use all of it relatedly, just like, pay for someone else to live so they can do cool shit lots of ppl saying massages and tbh that seems pretty great too, or like, some bodywork type stuff
this but for almost everything but also for this
@GarrettPetersen idk what it was called but it had a few talking dinosaurs and maybe some... cards? some minigames? and the dinos would say things like "perspitchdepatch" and "wheresthebuttondelnevoy"
ha! my months of solo travelling worked 😎 I just felt a desire for... I believe they call it... "alone time" 😮 ...I've never experienced this before!
it's quite subtle! I'm like... "was I just bored of the conversation?" but no, the conversation was interesting and in any case I'm familiar with the sensation of being bored of a conversation
there's more of a sense of like... I need to be on my own tempo to listen properly to my own thoughts & feelings I'm very good at just bantering indefinitely but it has its own momentum and then I lose touch with my compass
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why would i want to be less weird, really why would i aspire to this
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“what can we see together that we can’t see alone?” - @Malcolm_Ocean
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ayyy!!!
Replying to @BenRatkaj
@BenRatkaj Life is improv.
"we're so constrained by the need to make sense" — @visakanv "there's other sense on the far side of nonsense" — me
I said a thing to @visakanv tonight about people being indignant to be stuck inside others' dream mashups, and he was like "that should be a video" so the first thing I did after saying goodnight to him was just make a lil video: youtu.be/yPpTGbNSCr4
@visakanv this is one of my favorite metaphors (people as two eyes creating depth perception) and I have a podcast episode that does a deep-dive into it soundcloud.com/ariintheair/be…
yessss fractal altruism
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Finally posted a critique of effective altruism that took me 6 months to write, “Effective altruism in the garden of end…
@Alphiloscorp I hadn't travelled alone before, in the same way. Most of my travel was just to the bay to visit friends. Then while there I'd be staying with friends & going to events & up with friends multiple times a day (or coding, which I'm just used to wherever I am)
@Alphiloscorp Mmmm. I bet there's elements of both. I have a strong hypothesis that it's an abnormal state of being for a human to have a clear sense of direction that nobody else knows about or understands. Historically that would have been true. We do do it sometimes tho for sure.
@ElodesNL haha yeah that was my sense too haha. "I'm about to tweet about having only now had a very common experience but I think people who know me at all will understand how that's possible"
latest xkcd relevant to what we're up to here reply game
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I will never stop tripping out over how meeting an internet friend from halfway across the planet can feel like coming home t…
"If you commit to your bit long enough, people will come to know what to expect." – @visakanv This is a kind of trust! But you've got to know yourself to know the right bit for you to commit to. It's not arbitrary!
indecision tanks so many intentions
Whoa neat, people are using the @CompliceGoals pomodoro coworking room timer inside a GatherTown! Just happened to see this during a lightning talk at EAGxSingapore unconference 🙃
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I have this stubborn belief: the next great movement needs to emerge primarily from close personal relationships Like,…
@visakanv The ego or personality is just a bit someone is most committed to without even realizing it
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@TylerAlterman You can build (and adapt!) ambitious shit atop deep trust that are simply not possible with a foundation o…
@TylerAlterman Yeah and there'll be enough other things different about it that it's hard to say what it'll look like or how the old attractors apply or don't.
@visakanv @coponder Yeah he was the inspiration for this!
@JohnStokvis @visakanv Yup—tho some caveats!
@hormeze @visakanv Fyeah! Got a case study for me? I'd love to have more examples. Can DM if you'd like to not talk publicly about it.
This has been empirically replicated many times in many different contexts now.
@AndyAyrey @m_ashcroft I'm already in Singapore now ✈️
@strangestloop @caelanhuntress Hmmmmmm yeah sorta not actually! "What if it were good tho?" is supposed to be "what if we made it good tho?"
@_ali_taylor Fyeah! Would love to hear more about what it clarified for you, even if just rambly.
@fraserdeans Haha yeah it's difficult to search rn since I have "allowing" in my name 😂
@TylerAlterman I voted coral because it evokes "ecosystem" for me. The lil icon doesn't just refer to the genetically identical whatevers but also the fish and anemones and barnacles or whatever
@krishnanrohit @visakanv Exactly.
@RichDecibels I can't help but notice design problems and rant about them. My friends have often found it intense and hard to listen to. It helped when I realized I could make a video, because then people can stop listening without it interrupting me! youtu.be/qy6BOQLo4XA
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vague intuition that a critical factor of why behavior change/redesign is so unsuccessful so often is: insufficient support f…
Replying to @captain_mrs
@captain_mrs Hi hi!
@QiaochuYuan QC is back with the bangers
@made_in_cosmos Salon topic plz
Replying to @sashachapin
@sashachapin Paging @m_ashcroft & @JakeOrthwein (This video is all about different language for talking about NDA etc, exploring the extent to which Alexander Technique is pointing at the same thing without any Sanskrit or Pali) youtube.com/watch?v=m1p8ZP…
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@optimysticism personal identity isn’t what matters. psychological connectedness is
@nosilverv @BeReal_App I've been playing with it and I like it so far! Used it for a couple weeks without even having any friends on there because I liked the prompt to take a pic!
@AskYatharth There was an article or book I saw somewhere that suggested being high-status by default impairs your perspective-taking abilities. My sense is that this there's a few more puzzle pieces. Maybe being low-status makes you neurotic about trying to track others to not rock boat
@rmbalt Flying is way safer than driving. It's very safe. Enjoy any strange sensations like it's a roller coaster. (This may not help her, but seemed worth offering as one approach)
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To listen - to listen, really deeply - is to allow yourself to enter another person or place's sense of time Whether i…
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@nat_sharpe_ @AltYatharth Yes tho also... my impression* is that there is a sense in which infants simply *do* trust their parents by default, and this is adaptive. Which doesn't mean parents deserve it! (not a parent, this is mostly from reading and reasoning from my other experiences of being human)
@Meaningness I like this angle on it. Tho the claim that "goals" are purely mentalist metaphysics seems absurd from a cybernetic point of view (eg Perceptual Control Theory). Systems have reference conditions for perceptions/measurements of world states, and do stuff to close those gaps.
@CXGonzalez Yuppp This rabbit hole can take you to a couple weird places that I'm not gonna articulate in public today 😅
@OperationMoksha Yeah tho it can be messier than that—eg some part of it is obviously true and you want to accept & own that but it seems like it would imply some other thing that would be awful and you fear such an implication. Tho as you say if you aren't willing to believe the implic, ur safe
I make stuff So I can exhaust my engine So I can have more ideas So I can make more stuff
Great short thread on the evolution of the internet as a memetic environment
@SarahAMcManus @Meaningness Yeah I'm also very interested in this long story! A lot of PCT seems obviously true to me, so I'm wondering what parts you take issue with.
@SarahAMcManus @Meaningness Incidentally, I continue to be fascinated that you described McGilchrist as "neurobollocks", when it struck me as the thing I've ever read that most resonates with your writing and Ngakchang Rinpoche's—felt like it made that make more sense. & the neuro stuff seems well-sourced.
@CXGonzalez I've often broadly felt that too
@krishnanrohit Matter of frame
@visakanv @jessicamalonso Aha, I have sleuthed the state of visa this morning. Glad you're getting your nap, stoked to hang out more once you're up 😎
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus In tweet form: 1. Intentionality exists on different levels 2. It functionally consists of closed loop control systems 3. Higher levels set reference levels for lower levels 4. If two systems in conflict ➡️ stuckness or oscillation 5. Conflict can be resolved by going up levels
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus 6. The system overall is an evolutionary process, reorganizing when it isn't working well 7. <stock PCT itself doesn't have detailed theories on this, but> some other system configurations can block reorganization from occurring naturally <eg trauma, shame?>
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus 8. Given all this, humans can in general carry out complex tasks without excessive planning of the kind that leads to the "alternation of fantasy and surprise", because the higher level goals allow lower level ones to improvise (=me trying to frame re your Pengi model/paper)
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus 6b. "isn't working well" is defined in terms of either higher-level (relatively more abstract goals) or intrinsic reference levels like thirst, hunger, temperature, ~sex, ~dignity
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus So I'm seeing a lot of snark about Kalman filters, but nothing that helps me understand how they're confused. Is your main critique not that Kalman filters don't work (it seems they're used successfully in industry?) but that they're insufficient to explain the whole thing?
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus Thanks in part to you, I get how Bayesianism is confused because of ontological issues where it presupposes a frame (even if on some tiny scale neurons do Bayes, and within frame Bayes works) Are you saying the Kalman confusion is essentially the same issue?
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus I'm just gonna ask a dumb question here: are all control systems Kalman filters? Seems like obviously no: a mercury thermostat is just a boolean on/off trigger. So is Kalman filters pointing at "control systems that do averaging over time?" (fancier than PID controllers I guess)
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus It seems to me like perceptual control theory could still be essentially correct even above the motor levels, while it's also somehow true that something WAY fancier & more loopy than Kalman filters is needed to make higher order control systems work (eg "make enough money")
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus I don't see why that follows! Lots of human behaviour at these abstract levels seems also well-described by something like control system (conflict), and that doesn't depend on any particular representational scheme or even per se continuousness vs discreteness.
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus Like "ah I want to explain this in more detail but also I want to stay brief" — that seems like two reference conditions that can both be more or less satisfied. And the same principles for resolving conflict apply: go up a level, let go of one half, find a win-win, etc
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus Okay I feel kind of annoyed here because you're the one who brought in Kalman filters and then you're complaining about people who try to compare things to Kalman filters! Idgaf about Kalman filters.
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus From my perspective, insofar as thought & behavior seem to function like a hierarchical network of control systems (substantially but not 100%) this *implies* the existence of an adequate neural-system-that-can-parse-abstract-quantities ...which doesn't mean we know what that is!
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus Maybe you're saying "that's where all the juice is though" and I'm willing to concede that a lot of the juice is there but that there's a lot you can do without it - eg my original claim (that "goals" don't require mentalist metaphysics) - eg modelling control system conflict
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus eg these speculations about the dharma:
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia Yeah playfulness and aggression are very much not separate! And as the one with more self-awareness here, you can be modelling the restrained aggression that is play-compatible. (Tho also like puppies and lion cubs just understand this by default)
Huge advantage of twitter Circles over locked alts: you can search for the tweets later! (Just tested this) Oh also another advantage is you don't end up with patchy replies due to patchy alt followership
Replying to @sashachapin
@sashachapin @ErasmasShaftoe Curious to hear... insofar as nondual mindfulness is your default background state, what is the aim of your practice with Taft's videos?
@nvpkp I realized YouTube can help if you want to be loved but don't like typing stuff out.
@CoughsOnWombats @RichDecibels Counter space? To be clear, most microwaves with knobs are actually super tiny! (& branded as "retro") This one was big for unrelated reasons.
@Meaningness @SarahAMcManus The metaphors don't feel vague/poetic to me, any more than anything else that gets said about the brain on this level of abstraction. Like ok, they don't let us build AGIs, but they do let us make claims like the original one I made of "goals are not mentalist metaphysics"
@KaseyKlimes Well your 9 points don't read as very ideological, but unfortunately I'd sign off on all those points so we'll have to work harder to find some disagreements 😜
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"goodharting" is a word
@emic_obligee I'm not the sole authority on this! If you're using it as a word, it's a word. That's how words work 🪄 But I'm not going to add it to my thread until/unless I'm using it myself. You can make your own "is a word" thread if you want!!
@KaseyKlimes Agreed although it's important to track that trying to craft incentives requires power-over and results in goodharting as people optimize for *appearing* to do the thing that gets rewarded. Better is to demonstrate how our incentives already align eg your
@CXGonzalez and then once the mission is accomplished you're on a plane and even more disappeared from society I once had a flight get postponed a day once I'd already gone to the city to catch it, and it was amazing to have a day to unwind at the free hotel, with nothing on my plate
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people are so used to giving in ways that feel bad that we’re forgetting giving *can feel good* & - we’d all do bette…
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"unconsensual" is a word google results have 10× as many for "nonconsensual", which is also a word and which is *also* not in my dictionary. also once I refactored the sentence apparently I wanted "nonconsensually" which is also a word
if the thing you're calling "giving" doesn't feel good it's not giving it's nonconsensually loaning someone goodwill that you're gonna charge interest on
@relic_radiation thanks for inspiring me to make this spicy take, which I wasn't even sure I agreed with when I said it
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"prereqs" is a word "prereq" too ofc, while I'm at it
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I'm trying to lean further into having takes so hot that I don't even fully agree with them myself like last night I was just like "yeah but watching TV is suffering"
turns out that I actually could sort of explain what I meant once people were like "what?" but I wasn't actually even sure, myself but turns out you can just jump straight to the thing then find out which prereqs are needed
here's my latest version of this. when I first wrote the first sentence I was like "wtf this is nuts nobody will believe this idek if I do" but then I was like "whoa wait no I see how it's true"
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Every metaverse pitch I get on LinkedIn boils down to "we are building a new world where anything is possible and the onl…
@heyjulesfern oof
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@QiaochuYuan has been an inspiration for me here (I actually came across this tweet just *after* tweeting the above! but it's exactly the spirit - "watching TV is suffering" is hilarious)
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"covid" is a word (whoa, my dictionary has "COVID"—I was assuming it was waaaay older than that based on all the other stuff it didn't have) (not sure what to do with stuff like "waaaay" btw. I think I'm gonna add it to my dict so no squiggle but not usually mention it here)
@the_wilderless sort of depends on the level of abstraction you describe it on I guess not to say it isn't a good question but like, does covid count? when "dying of an infectious disease" is historically a very popular way to go
@the_wilderless if you're looking not at the external "what happened" but the internal "how did the body stop working" then eg gun deaths are usually bleeding or infection so maybe only weird shit like "radiation exposure" counts as new. tho I guess you couldn't explode someone 1000ya either
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"subcase" is a word
@the_wilderless meanwhile there's also the level of abstraction that's like "murder" or "accident" or "war" or "disease" or "old age" or "wild animal" or "suicide/selfharm" (or "poison" tho that would also arguably always either be a subcase of murder or accident or suicide)
Malcolm challenge: write a single thread without including a single word that isn't already in my dictionary
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"errorness" is a word
@TylerAlterman ooh this reminded me of a thing I was doing last year which was... how did I frame it... "feel the pleasure in X" I think and I managed to find a quality of pleasure in itchiness or other kinds of pain or discomfort it's not denying the errorness, just also delighting in it
@CXGonzalez just watch me
@rachelclif @ElodesNL has a post on 300 ways it can hurt to be a man:
@nobu_hibiki @ElodesNL @VividVoid_ I feel like I hang out in some sort of expanded guy space, but it sorta feels relaxed for me. Like I'm like "I'm a man, and whatever I do is a kind of manhood" Like I wear lots of clothes from the ladies section but they're not women's clothes—they're my clothes, and I'm a man.
@a_yawning_cat this will be an issue once some people have 100× the clockspeed of others
"physical proximity synchronizes the time value of individuals"
@TaterTotient ahh crap I did my calculus correctly but made a lazy assumption while extrapolating from N=3 to N=4
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Imagine a Europe returned to warring principalities, but instead of castles as the basic political unit, individual power…
Retweeted @tscottphillips
In English, 'say' has a corresponding word on the audience side: 'hear'. Also 'speak' vs 'listen'. But 'mean' does not…
@tscottphillips "interpret" "construe" also "signified"
What's something you've been avoiding learning more about because you have a related theory you're still work on that you want to avoid getting (or seeming) influenced/contaminated?
@UntilTrees Yeah I mean I'm hoping to see dozens of these rooms come into being in the next months/year.
@UntilTrees And eventually hundreds-thousands!
Retweeted @positive_loop
@CompliceGoals @Malcolm_Ocean I just started using Complice and it's these little things that make it feel really aweso…
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"crazymaking" is a word
@positive_loop yeah, there's a pretty detailed description here of why meta-communication is so important for avoiding crazymaking double-binds:
seriously i cant fckn do it
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"suboptimal" is a word
"attractors" is a word ("attractor" is a word)
update: my incoherent youtube channel now also includes - video of me dancing shirtless - pitch of GCI workshop - me working out - a freestyle rap about complice.co - many short videos reflecting on topics of interest to me, often while walking around
@positive_loop as for *why* cultural evolution has been weirdly stuck at suboptimal attractors, David Deutsch's book The Beginning of Infinity has some great stuff on this:
@tscottphillips super revealing, yeah! no disagreement there this is extremely relevant to my work, also I don't have a super easy tweet to explain why, tho this touches on it:
...and also that it's okay to think that someone means what you think they mean, even if it's not what they meant or think they meant! (though we need a better word for this)
@SlimePriestess still cool to hear about!
@aleksil79 Yo such a great fucking point. Everyone who's decrying anyone else for reinventing buddhism... it's like okay sure buddhism worked better than most things (it's still here, for one) but it clearly doesn't have it all figured out or we'd be somewhere else by now.
self-paced course + cohort-based course = self-based course complice.co/event/gci?tw=M…
@jamiemchale exactly all makes sense from in here
@becomingbabyman tight
@uncatherio that's a great point! writing in general is so fucking clarifying
misunderstandings are easiest to notice when the American astronauts speak Russian and the Russian cosmonauts speak English
war, old and new
"I went to Berkeley Bowl, they had tomaytos, tomahtos... and a third more complex thing." — @visakanv
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people issuing ultimatums consistently underestimate the extent to which everyone hates being ultimatum'd and how much that will bias them towards the "fuck you" option
Me & @visakanv want to see 100 videos of friends talking in person 👇 Meet your mutuals when travelling! Share convos of you and your non-twitter friends! Take a moment to make a quick vid at a meetup! We'll make a thread of vids 😎
@relic_radiation To be clear I'm quite not into "watching TV" (I grew up without one) it's just that saying it's all literally suffering is just a bit much. There are ways to watch that aren't.
@relic_radiation Yeah, it feels fun, playful, less neurotic
@Morphenius Oh totally. This comes from the ultimator not truly being at peace with both options. They are in a sense bluffing: if the bad option is taken, they will regret issuing the ultimatum.
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus They seem to be nearly isomorphic, though the framing of control systems seems to be way saner than the other framing, as Scott outlines here. PP feels inside out or backwards to me. slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/20/tra…
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus Scott reported to me in 2017 that he never really understood the stuff around conflict, which from my perspective is one of the most significant aspects of PCT, so that suggests there may be key diffs he doesn't see either. I haven't researched PP so I'm not sure!
@thetracebrady @visakanv Yup! Well, Saturday. But yeah. Someday there'll be a big room with a Malcolm and a Visa and many others.
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
Just realising from re-reading Alexander's books that one way to describe Alexander Technique is an educational process tha…
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE Look into Jordan Hall's Civium concept
@CXGonzalez @exGenesis I'll throw in that I have ever had the thought that sufficiently advanced information theory obviates the need for game theory
@mary_bajorek @cowtung @visakanv Sign me the fuck up
@DRMacIver Love to see it
@RichDecibels yess you are another inspo
@gleeful2210 @ricvolpe @chenchenLiu11 Hello! What's something that feels more important to you lately than it used to?
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
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@acidshill This was adjacent on the TL and seemed like an appropriate response
@uncatherio maybe give the neurotic person a big hug can help ease anxiety (not sure how to do this for yourself)
@daemonhugger Someone had a great ribbonfarm post about this some years ago ribbonfarm.com/2017/08/10/que…
people I meet while travelling: "so where are you based?" me: "hm? no matter where I go, I'm based"
@RichDecibels @uncatherio I will mention that there's a book called The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning I vaguely recall a friend saying it was good but I have no opinion on it
U-introduction: when you and a friend introduce two *other* friends to each other |_| shaped most commonly used when you realize you both know an interesting person in a particular city
"the difference is like night and day" "oh, as in it varies depending on where you're observing it from?"
when I returned to Canada just now, after I named the countries I was in and said I was travelling solo, the customs agent asked "did you meet anyone in those places?" and I was like "idk what that means" and he was like "friends or whatever" what's the point of this question?
Back in Canada after 3mo of travel around the globe and even tho I'm just at an airbnb in Vancouver for 2 days before visiting my family in NS, I'm feeling a strong sense of "there's no place like home". Deep ease. This unfamiliar feeling, too, is why I travelled 💗
(Part of it is the climate & vibe, but also surely being greeted warmly by @LordChisholm & @mary_bajorek. I met lots of friends in Europe & SEA, but except for @QiaochuYuan all internet friends, mostly recent, not people I've known for 8-9 years & lived with)
Also it's very weird to smell weed smoke and see the cannabis stores after having just been in Singapore!
@Tropical_Xavier Huh, hadn't considered the latter. His tone didn't sound accusatory but also didn't sound friendly/casual. It sounded like he was following a script/flowchart and this was on it.
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia @Morphenius you might dig this thread on embodied defenses to hostile memes
@SarahAMcManus "spoalspcial" is to "sool poosation" as"merry" is to "christmas"
@smiling_for_fun iirc, John Vervaeke quoted the Buddha as saying something like "what I teach is freedom. if it doesn't taste like freedom, it isn't the dharma"
@leahprime @smiling_for_fun @Meaningness has a whole theory on this vividness.live/protestant-bud…
@TyTySciFi @houellebecq_2 @myunclesmemes Way less sad if the poster is like 19 or 20 (or hell, still in high school because the girl was a few grades ahead of him) but yeah that's probably usually not the situation
Retweeted @selentelechia
toddlers get a really bad rap bc a newly formed sense of self and will is pretty disruptive to daily life for most peopl…
@christineist Be willing and increasingly able to find a way to talk about whatever needs/wants talking about. With that, all issues are only as bad as they are, and we're in it together.
It also wasn't intended as commentary on one's relationship to truth itself, but on the question of whether to speak it or hide it, in a particular context.
@liekovarpio @visakanv has a thread for this I believe
Retweeted @paleoludic
people pick on christianity for making up 'sin' and then offering to cure it, but no one ever picks on buddhism for making…
Replying to @eurydicelives
@eurydicelives you wouldn't want to compromise your safety or your health or your security system don't compromise your negotiations either 🤷♀️
No reason I know of to think there wouldn't be a gorgeous, glorious, uplifting extremum found via some other negative prompt. If it were me I would have gone & found *that* before making a thousand of them. twitter.com/supercomposite…
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
"I refuse to accept this" is a strategy for cowing the opposition with the strength of the prediction errors we will ge…
dudes reading getting things done like wow I never considered that if I write down tasks to do I should look at them again sometime
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@eurydicelives you wouldn't want to compromise your safety or your health or your security system don't compromise your…
Life can seem like a Choose Your Own Adventure novel but it turns out there's a lot of blank pages and you can grab a pen & write in new options nobody has heard of. (You can't just "write your own story" tho—the world responds)
@visakanv Have you seen the ribbonfarm post about patterns and uhh fuck I forget the keywords
@captain_mrs a thousand fidget toys in a thousand hands (someone put this in dalle/midjourney)
@hatch_um Maybe the part doesn't trust what the other part is gonna do with it
Replying to @ndwpdx
@ndwpdx @forshaper I thought it was about meditation!
@vgr It's not that all negative weights end up macabre. This one does, and the fascinating thing is that when combined with other inputs it's surprisingly sticky compared to positive inputs.
jfc I logged into twitter on my phone to coordinate while in Singapore and it continues to be such a bad default just logged out again and intend to stay that way (on phone) for at least a month
our niche is adaptation
damn it's so nice to be back in weather where walking is pleasant rather than "I am sweaty within 4 minutes" I think I'd rather live somewhere with months of snow than Bali. I love long walks.
just met an expat from Nepal and I told him 20% of my clothes that aren't just t-shirts are from Nepal, and he was like "I don't even have that much Nepalese clothing anymore" and described how people thought he was a hippie when he first moved to the US
@rmbalt @CarnunMP hmm, the Loab cluster seems like a pretty specific grotesque/macabre aesthetic, like it's not particularly *dark* in color compared to some horror stuff, and it's roughly the same face every time... tho I agree that there's something vaguely in this vein that sounds right
@zrkrlc @SurenVynn yeah I left at 6am Sept 6 I had a 39-hour September 6th 😆
@RichDecibels yeah, probably because she wasn't doing an ultimatum *at* you but just stating that she was out if things didn't change
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I have an old blog post about the kind of ultimatums that usually *don't* evoke the "fuck you" response, which is ultimatums that aren't presented as a challenge but just as a fact. (the key is that there's no bluffing involved) malcolmocean.com/2015/09/ultima…
I guess in some ways this is similar to how @tasshinfogleman talks about boundaries. tasshin.com/blog/boundarie…
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"ultimator" is a word (someone issuing an ultimatum)
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@tasshinfogleman It also occurs to me that part of what's happening with ordinary fuck-you ultimatums is that they're essentially threats, and like all threats they attempt to collapse your awareness onto the preferred choice of the ultimator, so it seems like the only okay option.
@coponder @visakanv definitely was aha, "structure-preserving transformation" is the keyword - suddenly sprang to mind just now when I read "sarah perry" ribbonfarm.com/2018/04/06/dee…
@visakanv reminds me of "structure-preserving transformations", as written about here by Sarah Perry, inspired by Christopher Alexander: ribbonfarm.com/2018/04/06/dee…
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @vgr ahh, would have been fun! I flew out at 6am on the 6th (missed the jewel unfortunately, which wasn't open that early)
art generated by @davidad original concept by @captain_mrs idea of DALL-Eing the original concept by me
@visakanv @liekovarpio ahhh I think it was about this quote: Gimli: I never thought I'd die fighting side-by-side with an Elf. Legolas: What about side-by-side with a friend? Gimli: Aye... I could do that. ...you have it in a thread with other touching moments, but I extrapolated the topic too much
@bierlingm hm? this was taken from a mall in Singapore, where I was hanging out with Visa
Replying to @GeorgeHristov7
@GeorgeHristov7 @visakanv based
@positive_loop @reasonisfun yup. almost all of these dynamics are fractal, though there are a few differences at different scales
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"intergroup" is a word
I like to talk about how certain patterns (eg trust, coercion, etc) are fractal—similar among internal/interpersonal/intergroup systems but I'm also fascinated by differences between scales! What are some differences? eg two people can live separate lives; two IFS parts can't
@hollyherndon can you describe what you did to generate this, in a tweet?
@Meaningness @drossbucket @SarahAMcManus one of the main ways in which I find the PP model confusing is that it originated to explain perception but then got applied to behavior... so seems to me at first glance to be making some is/ought confusion
I have many many times been annoyed by people treating parroting words as evidence of understanding it's at most evidence that the person wasn't so utterly caught up in their own world as to be unable to take in your words... which is a low bar that people nonetheless often fail
@djqualed @tscottphillips yeah, I see proof of understanding as "do/say a thing you couldn't've if you didn't understand" but this can sometimes just be nearly as simple as the right tempo of "yup, exactly"
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"couldn't've" is a word
@Ollie_Base @CompliceGoals a CEA room, or the EA Gathertown room? iirc there's been a CEA room for many years
oh cool, looks like we've just had the first instance of someone reading the Complice philosophy page, clicking through to the Goal-Crafting Intensive workshop landing page, then buying a ticket! complice.co/philosophy
Sunrise in Vancouver
@aleksil79 Ha, yes. Ultimately we do all have to figure out how to live together. We're all stuck with each other. But pragmatically, a conflict between "I want to go for a walk", "I want to sleep" can be directly satisfied by parting ways if you're two people, but not if it's internal.
Retweeted @St_Rev
"A demon is a group of people, plus a control program. The program can be quite small." "So the program is the real demon?" "…
Realized I wasn't following one of my favorite reply guys. Kinda silly of me. (And not for a good reason like "the replies are great but the top-level tweets are all just basketball")
Replying to @fineartery
@fineartery @Morphenius Vervaeke talks about "meaning *in* life" which seems like maybe the thing most kids have plenty of... and it seems that adults who have plenty of it are less concerned about "meaning *of* life"
@visakanv I can feel self-generated safety since I know I have my own back. This is relatively new, since ~2y ago when I had the Non-Naive Trust Dance insight and realized that self-trust is one of the most important things. This video talks about that shift: youtu.be/0bOy-3omSS0
@visakanv Oh yeah I sorta skipped over belonging in your tweet and focused on safety. Yeah... harder to feel belonging when misunderstood, for sure. Tho again, can now ground in my own sense of welcoming all of who I am and the reality of what I mean even if nobody else gets it.
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"passionfruit" is a word
so spoiled by europe Canadian airport resto charges $6 for orange juice from concentrate... which iirc is more than freshly-squeezed OJ costs at european airports but on the plus side, I can get sparkling... grapefruit-flavored... ...maple tree sap 🍁
meanwhile at some warungs in Bali I could get fresh *passionfruit* juice for $1.50 🤩🤩🤩
from a cafe bathroom in Singapore "auto flush system" + "please close the lid before you move from your position" + bathroom floor very wet = some designer and/or technician fucked up bad 😭
@empathy2000 parks, gardens, nice neighborhoods to walk in waterfront walk playgrounds places with good views
brb I've gotta go feel superior to both
@jonst0kes @NAChristakis Ooof, yeah. The first bit is acceptable snarky political commentary but wishing suffering upon someone is 😬
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"ensmoothening" is a word
@nibrasibn seeing and ensmoothening subtle details in the interfaces between people & systems and people & people
possibly a good physical example of a "layery" solution rather than solving the auto-flush blasts, they try to change habitual behavior of infrequent system participants
@finereli maybe they're long-game scams
Retweeted @olivertraldi
this is a confusing point: many of the same people who say they want to get rid of civility and respectability politics h…
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @visakanv yeah; in such a situation you can still love yourself and honor how much you'd like to be in a context that would allow for meta-understanding, which makes a difference even tho it's still kinda lonely
Replying to @btohtoh
@btohtoh @visakanv just for a couple days I was in London for a day in July 🙃
I tried learning to surf, and it was hard, and I loved myself really deeply the whole time. And I want more people to have that experience while learning something, of allowing themselves to learn however fast they do 💞 youtube.com/watch?v=qEfGCp…
rushing produces compounding errors
also if you like that vid you might like this one:
and as always
Thread · Index of the 100 video project · 1 of 77 tweets
vid 45 - musings, learning, self-love ♫ You were blessed with precision so I took you to the beaches of Bali ♪ (a lyric from a song I love, mostly unrelated) I'm enjoying unfolding my own process here in context, and tying it in with deep themes.
I'm only at 19/100 of my "do 100 "do 100 things"" I started a few months ago and looking at my spreadsheet today I noticed I've already forgotten about some of them (like "say no / turn down offer / quit / reject") hmmm
blog post on "days off" vaguely found myself thinking while writing it that "free day" might be a better frame for it ift.tt/6B90JPc
Still some tickets available for our upcoming online workshops next weekend! Get guidance on things like life planning, emotional resilience, or daily workflows 🚀 ift.tt/Ic7ZN0L
@Sciencezannah Yup! I link to it here:
@strangestloop 😅 to be clear this is "only started 19" and some of them are ones I've already completed like this threadapalooza:
@AskJibran yes I made a whole sign and tweeted about it in order to hide it how'm I doing? 😅
Retweeted @MatjazLeonardis
The problem with most theories of ethics is that they refuse to seriously engage with the question of why anybody woul…
Retweeted @_TeresaHart_
If you’re looking for more clarity, organization and purpose throughout each of your days, I’d love to welcome you to a g…
the scene is dead, long live the scene
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
Want to get more clarity on: - what matters to you? - what you want your life to be like? - what you're trying to do…
Retweeted @AskYatharth
i fucking hated a large part of hanging out with hippies, spiritual emotional embodied people, because a large part of the…
@AskYatharth THIS
@Benj_Carr yup, it's quite a paradox! my go-to tweet whenever this comes up 😛👇
Retweeted @David_S_Wilson
Why spend so much time on 2-person game theory when most social interactions take place in larger groups? How about mul…
Finally got my old friend Benjamin to join twitter by encouraging him to write up a thread to help us promote the GCI workshops! 😁 The thread summarizes emotional coherence then talks about a handful of principles he has for welcoming whatever arises:
if you want to skip the summary and jump right to the second half, you can do that here:
Let's give him a warm welcome to our friendly corner or twitter—reply to his thread somewhere with a question or a QT of another relevant tweet :) People who might find the thread interesting/relevant: @xuenay, @AskYatharth, @mattgoldenberg, @m_ashcroft, @Morphenius
@emic_obligee What do you think so far?
Retweeted @RichDecibels
@Malcolm_Ocean bit long but I think this formulation of power is one of the most revolutionary ideas around right now htt…
Her eyes filled with tears—my tears.
"Life is what you pay attention to - there is literally nothing else." This DFW quote vibes a lot with Visa's "focus your time and energy on what you want to see more of."
type of guy who describes herself as a type of guy
We've almost sold out tickets for Sunday's workshop! And Saturday's is unusually spacious, so you could get lots of coach attention 👀 sign up here: ift.tt/GzoB5Qi
just looked into tone indicators and my main conclusion is that I can now make bizarro "that's what she said" style jokes way more efficiently by appending "/x" to messages that have nothing to do with sex (/x = "sexual intent")
@yonahsienna + PAY ATTENTION TO *HOW* YOU PAY ATTENTION
I will be in love I will be right here in love So when you are also in love I will be in love with you ♫
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What have we gotten ourselves and each other into? It's hard to explain it, but it's something we just can't not do How did we get here? What is this place that we're in? Is there a boundary? Where does it end and begin? ♫
I'm not just waiting, I'm actively seeking to find A way to untangle this seemingly impossible bind It's more of a dance, not a question of how to make love stay So whether fast or slow, let's go where we can go, today ♫
I want love that opens my eyes, not a love that is blind Love that alters, not falters, to embrace each alteration it finds I want love that learns... how to love better in time Love that's up for and down for each pass of this mountain climb ♫
I've seen you in love and you've seen me see that look in your eyes We've seen things together that made us think we were so wise What does it mean, for how we want to organize our lives? What does it tell us, about our most intimate drives? ♫
Maybe by the time that you make your way here, I'll be gone This game might be over, though the infinite music plays on I know who you are, though I can't—I can't always see How to make space for what's real, both for you and for me ♫
@kcorazo I've written about it very abstractly and rather indirectly here, mostly talking about challenges with feedback & learning: malcolmocean.com/2022/05/illust…
Here's my best sketch of a meta-workflow for teams that seamlessly bridges situations where you need a lot of group coordination & situations where people are working fairly independently. malcolmocean.com/2022/05/aiming…
@kcorazo also this:
@kcorazo This article explores my Non-Naive Trust Dancing framework (which is a framework for how to do non-coercive relating on all scales) in the context of someone who is a manager at an organization: malcolmocean.com/2021/09/nntd-p…
@kcorazo "non-coercive" is not a very popular phrase in wider culture, but you might have some success looking for "integral leadership" or "blame free culture" or systems thinking books like the Fifth Discipline etsy.com/codeascraft/bl…
I gave 4 different replies, none of them totally satisfying, to this request for writing about non-coercive productivity for teams. I've thought about it more than I've written about it! Curious what others have got! Go share on the original:
@kcorazo as a final comment, if you have some more specific questions or case studies, I'd potentially be down to weigh in! I have thoughts but they tend to be hilariously abstract unless someone brings me a real live situation to talk about
Retweeted @relic_radiation
So, TIL that it's possible to gain write-access to "what dream mashup does my body presently feel like it's walking ar…
@yashkaf 100%. Note how the older ways of meeting were much more relational (friends, family, and dense communities). Interestingly, the only one going up besides the skyrocketing "met online" is "bar or restaurant" "Met Online" should distinguish swiping from a virtual scene tho smh
@AskYatharth very partial still but yup although re "the complete stance"—any theory, even one intended to be complete, is still going to be a partial map; the complete stance is a way of engaging, not a theory. but some theories point the way (eg NNTD, meaningness.com)
Retweeted @AskYatharth
yearning for a political philosophy that is unlike all the others, in that it is not prescriptive, but descriptive — it is…
@made_in_cosmos would work best if people show up with a partner or friend—someone with whom they'd have a topic available that they've failed to get common ground on before anyway I'm down, wanna schedule it?
@ladymcscope totally — a great principle and in this case I'll remember them when I see them again, and maybe I'll have actually done a few without realizing it, which I'll either be able to log or have forgotten about. either way, all good
Retweeted @kcorazo
My testimonial for @SarahAMcManus @Malcolm_Ocean @CompliceGoals's Goal Crafting Intensive Things I did after the April 2021…
Retweeted @visakanv
forgot to post this pic of me and @Malcolm_Ocean bein flower bois 🌸
Retweeted @groundedSAGE
Showed my goal dependency tree at a job interview and he said "you show this to the others at the next interview" cc @Mal…
@hyponymous @visakanv @tasshinfogleman yeah probably ideally you first make peace with not intervening, maybe thru a @m_ashcroft-style inhibiting move, and then choose to intervene if that feels right
@f_j_j_ @leahprime @smiling_for_fun @Meaningness I'd be keen to hear more about this if you have an article or something!
@f_j_j_ @leahprime @smiling_for_fun @Meaningness (or if you just want to tweet about it!)
@gptbrooke @groundedSAGE I feel like there's value in having event names correspond to the nature of the event, in which case "vibecamp" might want to stay more open-ended/social rather than particularly workshoppy (there were workshops at vibecamp but more unconference style)
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE curious about the rest of that exchange! what was compelling about your goal dependency tree?
this sounds dope, although unlike the rest of these I think our Goal-Crafting workshops actually work best online, *not* in person Slack allows powerful parallelization of coach↔participant communication (we're running more this weekend! see you there? complice.co/event/gci?tw=M…) twitter.com/groundedsage/s…
Replying to @groundedsage
@groundedSAGE goal-crafting actually feels like an odd one out there!
@groundedSAGE but I'll totally show up and run some trust-dancing practice sessions!
@m_ashcroft @visakanv yup! visa is casting the widest net on a certain niche thing, of anyone I'm aware of
@deevbrain hmmmmmmmmmm sounds like your grey matter has perhaps had a bit too much ensmoothening
@IaimforGOAT yeah and best if the investigation of the mind isn't treated as dissection—the mind is very much alive and if you cut it open it stops working so well
Thread · Meta-thread of threads on McGilchrist's brain hemispheres · 1 of 38 tweets
@aphercotropist Short thread pointing out that modern app-based dating is fucked because of modal confusion: developing relationships is about opening to something larger, not about assessing based on flat details.
@yashkaf added your thread to my meta-thread:
@relic_radiation @mattgoldenberg +1 to what @mattgoldenberg said. and yeah, iirc Doug used to say re bioemotive that it can be worth gently exploring other meanings once you've thoroughly felt the existing ones
@relic_radiation your use of the word "overwrite" reminded me of this tweet I had from awhile ago. tho I'd caution that ofc it's possible to temporarily *suppress* the old knowing.
@relic_radiation @UnderwaterBepis how does it look another few days out?
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 4 of 219 tweets
"panarchy" is a word
"offramps" is a word
"memetic" is a word (amazed that it took so long for this one to come up, as "meme" is a top candidate of mine for the most important neologism of the last century)
"metamodern" is a word
Thread · Bespoke offramps written by people who left the cult · 6 of 7 tweets
I've been thinking that we could probably use bespoke offramps for cults, but it seemed obvious to me that they'd need to be written by people who'd left those exact cults, articulating new views that actually transcend & include the old views, not just pay lip service
these are obviously going to be a lot less opinionated towards a lateral viewpoint than the permission structure versions eg for vax might say something more honest like "yeah, there are risks. I eventually decided it was worth it, but it's a tough call"
if you actually understand someone's actual experience & values, you can actually engage with them and help them figure out what's actually good for them, which is a very different kind of move
it could be that some of the people someone might be trying to influence don't actually have a deep take on the situation, they just have a bit of rhetoric that resonates with some aspect of their experience, and are thus easily given a new one but twitter.com/eigenrobot/sta…
overall this offramps thing seems like it could comprise a whole sub-department of the Memetic Mediation Division of the Metamodern Post-propaganda Project
a link to some of my earlier speculation on this topic, though I don't go into much depth there:
@stephlepp @CultExpert It would be cool to have him run a little workshop for people who've left cults etc and would like to help others leave the same groups, for those people to create some initial media (writing & videos) to help build such offramps could maybe host it as an @interintellect_ salon
@yashkaf or you can just GPT-3 it:
@wnyconservative @rabcyr_alt it works sliiiiiiightly better if given some examples, which is what's usually best for GPT-3. actually wait it worked almost perfectly when I gave it 4 examples instead of 3 (see quoted tweet)
@deevbrain :)
@kcorazo just saw this now but I could hop on a call til the power goes out here in Halifax due to a passing hurricane :P next week might be better—shoot me a calendar link maybe!
@djqualed nice, I like when you're watching what I'm doing /x
Retweeted @relic_radiation
the “unmet developmental needs” frame of mental health seems soooooo effective compared to the “brain chemistry imbala…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"overton" (window) is a word
Retweeted @yashkaf
this is a good thread explaining both the details of a new persuasion method and how it is fired at us at scale when there's m…
@relic_radiation we'll get there but the mainstream overton window still doesn't have any idea what developmental growth is imagine trying to explain sadness in terms of brain chemistry imbalance before 1950
@yashkaf @Morphenius you'll be interested in this thread and the quoted one (and eigen's commentary, quoted in the quoted one)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"reparent" is a word
@jessicamalonso @relic_radiation @HeidiPriebe1 yeah ultimately no blame is necessary at all, the question is just how do we reparent ourselves and our friends, and how do we parent the next generation better?
@jessicamalonso @utotranslucence @relic_radiation maybe ADHD is like "you were born unusually sensitive to how interesting things are, AND THEN the people in your social environment couldn't help you learn to navigate doing uninteresting things that need doing and leveraging your focus"
@visakanv where's your tweet with the image of how different background experiences yield different conclusions?
@kcorazo @m_ashcroft oooh actually this book might be what you're looking for. I haven't read more than the first few pages, but it's an application of Perceptual Control Theory to management, so if it's at all well-written it should be a very useful book on exactly this topic amazon.com/Foundational-E…
@kcorazo conversation occurred and the power is still on so here's a video of it: (we didn't talk that much about the specific case study, but it was a decent jumping off point for mapping the landscape) youtu.be/NB0uQ6Bp4ZY
Replying to @TankDerek
@DerekOrTank @yashkaf maybe tho it's also sort of too obvious/common of a take maybe? (not saying I agree)
@djqualed nice reply game /x
Retweeted @relic_radiation
I’ve been teetering on the edge of this event, as I wanna feel more in touch w my purpose&direction, & it’s run by fri…
@relic_radiation @jessicamalonso @HeidiPriebe1 yup, and that wave of anger can be interpreted as blame but they're fundamentally different things blame is a type of explanation; anger is a feeling
power out & tree downed in NS at my mum's place where I am (gonna go to my dad's place to run the GCIs in a few hours 😆) and I am enjoying an apple that blew off the neighbor's tree, with some dubliner cheddar
@relic_radiation @jessicamalonso @HeidiPriebe1 you might like these two principles of systems thinking from The Fifth Discipline: 10. Dividing an elephant in half does not produce two small elephants 11. There is no blame
@lukeallenmiller @visakanv yup, nice, thanks!
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
@visakanv Philosophers would benefit from better understanding of how tacit linked premises often have emotional conten…
Thread · Bespoke offramps written by people who left the cult · 1 of 7 tweets
usefully working with disagreements requires understanding that different people have different context and that this necessarily informs how they see things your view is as obviously wrong to them as theirs is to you
@uncatherio sometimes I hate teasing because the people teasing are bad at teasing I spent some hours trying to map this all out a few years ago; may help: malcolmocean.com/2015/11/a-mode…
@fractalfoxnode say more? or give an example?
@michael_nielsen @relic_radiation @jessicamalonso @HeidiPriebe1 ah, nice! my sense is that NASA has been pretty good with this stuff in general Feynman's report on the Challenger disaster due to faulty o-rings also had quite a bit of systems view
> Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring. Imaginary good is boring; real good is always new, marvellous, intoxicating. ift.tt/MWDzwXU
@made_in_cosmos when my grandparents built a new house outside town (they were about 60 at the time) it was just the two of them living there but they built in 2 guest rooms for visiting kids & grandkids & so on so indeed, not under 50, but a good example of intentionally-built not moved-out-of
@made_in_cosmos my house growing up had a spare bed in a large section of ~hallway, where people (mostly my uncle) would stay when visiting. we also had a pull-out sofa. (this in a small town—it was a 4-story house on an acre property, that cost maybe what a 2br condo would cost in a city)
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"dealbreaker" is a word
@CXGonzalez brushing aside things that annoy them or turn them off. it's possible to acknowledge those things and feel what you feel about them, without immediately going "oh no is this a dealbreaker?!" but while also not going "but this is fine definitely not a dealbreaker"
yo @m_ashcroft I want a canonical reference from you on "pausing" instead of "stopping", when there's some behavior you maybe want to change as both a standalone article & in GCI content eg "maybe this is good enough & I'm being perfectionistic" "what if I didn't snack now?"
@ulkar_aghayeva @thinkagainer motherfucker, you mean WE'RE the ones flipping it left-right? not with our minds but by how we present it to the mirror in the first place?!
@thinkagainer idk but I thought these photos might help confuse us further (thanks @GretchenAMcC for providing the most readily available object with large high-contrast text on it)
@AskYatharth there's also a psy-op that says if you don't do something about it you don't care about it (as opposed to eg "you don't see anything useful to do" or "you do care about it you just care about other things more" or "you care about it so much you have a freeze response")
@visakanv I would look into who coordinated the successful building of large buildings or public works, and how they talked about it
Replying to @jstanotherview
@jstanotherview literally sit in a chair doing nothing in particular
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"subtweeting" is a word +"subtweet" +"subtweeted"
@GSVBemusementPk ooh nice
still 2 tix left for the next GCI coming up in 11 hours. guessing they'll sell out, which will be fun after today's half-full session that was very chill sign up: complice.co/event/gci?tw=M… get more context:
Thread · Transcending dualities while undercutting the smugness
the important thing is that I've found a way to feel superior to both
originally from XKCD xkcd.com/774/
my remix is putting it in first person rather than second person, which makes it a whole different kind of funny
I also had this one, which looks like it's intended to be generic but I'm pretty sure it was actually me subtweeting some specific drama that I have now blissfully forgotten
it's sort of a self-own it's sort of a way of transcending a duality while undercutting the implication that doing so necessarily makes you morally or developmentally superior (by calling it out) it's sort of a third more complex thing
@IntoTheBlues @danmelnick great! I've never had an experience of oneness at all, so...
@IXianVernius @CXGonzalez apparently this is a mood tonight haha I just tweeted this:
@daemonhugger dualism
@nvpkp what? it means that any representation of a thing is not the thing itself. it means that the statement "X is [a] Y" is always at least a little confused (even if it's 100% accurate for whatever practical purpose it's being used for)
@itsarnavb I didn't actually say *more* funny! although... 😅😊😉
I demand a remix of this epic bird call. @TheKiffness, will you be our hero? twitter.com/Don_DHYB/statu…
"Ugh, we keep having the same argument! My partner must feel so unheard!" my latest frame flip for getting unstuck in interpersonal conflicts (it's a way out of the victim stance) youtube.com/watch?v=l7JYDi…
@visakanv made a sequel video a couple days later youtube.com/watch?v=l7JYDi…
huh, youtube has a thing for sharing clips (segments from longer vids). how does it work on twitter? guessing it won't preview properly it basically links to the video but zoomed in, with an option to watch the whole video youtube.com/clip/Ugkxr2jMU…
hmmm "feral free family"
Retweeted @CompliceGoals
there is no singular productivity system that is non-coercive. the only system that is non-coercive is the freedom to bl…
Retweeted @CompliceGoals
WE LOOK FOR A GOD OF A PRODUCTIVITY SYSTEM TO SUBMIT TO. NOT REALISING THE GOD WE MUST SUBMIT TO IS OURSELVES — @AskYat…
I wanna do more writing ...I've been doing a lot of writing. I wanna do *even* more.
@CXGonzalez tips on where to get started? my life has a fair bit of flying in it
what if we made it good tho?
@DRMacIver @visakanv this is part of what the "what if we made it good tho?" meme is about how infrequently that question has been asked, about everything, even things that supposedly got designed or optimized by someone at some point
@HeidiPriebe1 @relic_radiation @jessicamalonso happened to come across this older tweet that jives with this one
Thread · Index of the 100 video project · 2 of 77 tweets
vid 46 - musings, riff more on the dream mashups concept, with an example and some tips for navigating when other people have got you in a dream you don't wanna be in
vid 47 this is sort of a redux of the previous tweet, but with a hilarious new framing that I find powerful pattern-breaking in an incuriating way
in which @kcorazo and I jam about what's involved in managing a team in a non-coercive manner youtu.be/NB0uQ6Bp4ZY
inspired by this question he asked:
Thread · Index of the 100 video project · 1 of 77 tweets
vid 48 - conversation, jamming was fun to do this so spontaneously - we hopped on this call an hour after I saw his tweet the twitter→youtube pipeline is real!!
If you haven't already tried it, check out complice.co—the to-do list that never goes stale. If you have tried it, comment below with what you've learned from using it! Thread about the system:
@renderuntocaesa @visakanv :) I'd love to hear one way I've inspired you or otherwise brought joy into your life!
@hekatonsure @tpotvibecamp I'm open to someone trying to clean it up! but pretty sure it needs to be re-recorded, also ideally by a group with more than 1h practice 😅 although we did damn good given that and given the range of singing experience people were bringing
Replying to @jstanotherview
@jstanotherview you might find this meditation guide helpful as a youtube video: youtube.com/watch?v=A36iBH… as a thread:
@IgorBrigadir ah yeah, thanks for the reminder to add it to my spreadsheet where I'm counting "pithy QTable tweets"
Retweeted @AbstractFairy
guys. i want a better concept handle for focusing (gendlin) what could we name it? holding space reframing felt senses…
@AbstractFairy Lensing
@AbstractFairy Unfuzzing
@AbstractFairy he chose the term "Focusing" to capture something about how the felt-sense/handle comes into focus if we assume that's important, we might try to find another word/term from the metaphor, that's also less ambiguous that's how I got:
@Vincarsi @AbstractFairy yeah "holding space" is already a different thing
Retweeted @justavagrant_
Between these 2 videos I realized (I think) the basis behind “healed people heal people”. I’d characterize many conflict…
@michael_nielsen @relic_radiation @jessicamalonso @HeidiPriebe1 and here's the opposite: > The object of the inquest was as much or more to find a scapegoat as to find out why the ship had sunk.
The more you trust yourself to hold onto your own viewpoint no matter what, the more able you'll be to also take in someone else's.
Thread · Knot-listening: when neither person can hear the other
You know that thing where neither person can hear the other because they both feel so unheard? I call this "knot-listening" 3 step solution: 1: hear *yourself* thoroughly 2: hear the other person thoroughly (by their standard!) 3: get them to hear you youtube.com/watch?v=l7JYDi…
If 2 isn't working, return to 1.
I sometimes call this "self-validation". It's basically coherence empathy for yourself: really honoring that your own viewpoint makes whatever sense it makes. youtube.com/watch?v=0bOy-3…
Hearing yourself thoroughly enough to hear someone else with different deep assumptions may require self-validating your own experience all the way back to some life experience from years ago!
Then when listening, keep this in mind: Just because someone else's assumption/generalization contradicts yours, doesn't negate the reality of whatever happened that gave each of you those learnings!
Thread · Why needing lots of communication signals teams are out of sync · 16 of 17 tweets
I'm kind of a communication guy, but I actually agree. > Communication is a sign of dysfunction. It means people aren't working together in a close, organic way. We should be trying to figure out a way for teams to communicate less with each other, not more. Thread to explore:
Communication, when it is occurring, needs to work. But the *need* for communication (ie explicit coordination) especially lots of it, is a sign that you're out of sync!
Then the Q is how to get back in sync. @nosilverv adds: > And no explicit deliberation isn’t the only way to get sync > Literally do things together, let your bodies communicate, the bandwidth is so much higher ie what Bezos is saying: > working together in a close, organic way
In order to get people working in close, organic way, afaict you need two kinds of trust. This uhhh vaguely maps onto the "exit, voice" thing so I'm gonna steal those terms and call them exit trust and voice trust.
Exit Trust is the trust required to grant autonomy to other agents, so they don't have to waste time/effort/attention/sanity asking for permission for things.
Exit Trust creates the outer boundary of the people working together closely & organically. It's recursive: Group A needs to trust Group B in order for B to have autonomy to work closely & organically, and B needs to trust that A trusts B.
Voice Trust is the trust required for a person or group (with adequate autonomy from the outside world) to internally get the perspectives of its various people or parts in sync and settle on a course of action that will be carried out.
Voice Trust is what maintains the inner health of the group. People need to feel grounded in their own perspectives & knowings in order to be able to really hear and understand others.
Exit & Voice Trust apply on different fractal scales, too. Within a small close team, people still need to give each other autonomy as individuals to do their respective jobs (exit). And within a person, we need to learn to listen & integrate our different voices/views.
Upwards in scale, an organization comprised of many teams still does need to have adequate voice between those teams, even if Bezos is right that the total volume should be less. And the org needs exit trust—for it & its partners to be not meddling in each other.
Anyway! The implications of these two kinds of trust required for healthy teams is that if you're having trouble coordinating closely, either of these might be a leverage point.
Bezos, in this frame, was saying it was not enough exit trust. But he doesn't just say "do it"—"FIGURE OUT a way for teams to communicate less" ie some communication may be required in the meantime, to establish the boundary of where one team's scope ends and the other's begins.
Also some ongoing communication is still required to make sure teams are on the same page, eg that one team isn't using metric units and the other imperial. Otherwise you're trusting but naively so. Gotta ensure the interface is adequate.
Likewise, internally to a group, if syncing isn't happening adequately, it's (usually) not enough to declare "this is a safe space for all viewpoints" and expect people to suddenly start revealing things, if they fear blame or judgement. That trust has to be built.
Voice isn't about quantity of communication but quality. It's about getting yourself and others heard when that's what matters.
Exercise for the reader: explain how both of these forms of trust are secretly this 👇
@justavagrant_ I came up with a new pithy articulation of this:
@sashintweets @visakanv mmm, good point hadn't consciously thought about that, but yeah. contradicting the dream mashup without actually naming what it says or even quite arguing with it.
@sashintweets @visakanv in fact, it could be true both that "I want you to have friends" and that "I don't want you to have friends" from two different parts of me but naming the former at least says "I'm presenting part of me that's allied with you" even if some other part dissents
@sashintweets @visakanv also note the difference between "I don't want" and "I want not"—the part of me whose job it is to remind me to empty a full bladder doesn't want anyone to have friends! it simply doesn't care about such things.
@sashintweets @visakanv so maybe part of me wants X, and doesn't care about Y and pursuing X has been reducing Y so she thinks "you want not-Y" but actually, that part would honestly say: - I want X - I don't want Y, per se - I also don't WANT not-Y and then another part can just say: - I want Y
Thread · Why I use so many words: solving failed communication in the general case
🤯 finally realized why I use so many fucking words I am trying to solve failed communication IN THE GENERAL CASE
eg look at this shit. wtf is this shit? nobody talks like this. nobody SHOULD talk like this.
and for the most part I don't talk like this either, but to the extent that confusions like this one are what's causing communication to break down, I need to unpack and articulate them and incorporate them into the wordless complete stance that untangles everything
and even already, sometimes these complex understandings in me produce simple utterances that work really well in context but there's WAY more simplicity to be found here I just need to write another million words to get there
Retweeted @AskYatharth
bc parts are in unexpanded awareness. your one part is not aware — does not want to be aware; does not trust it can be awa…
tired: "China" wired: "Taoismland"
my 1-paragraph summary of meditationbook.page by @meditationstuff
Do stuff that seems good (including nothing) as it seems good, recognizing that your sense of goodness is ever-evolving. Let go of doing stuff if that seems good—you may have more stuff you're still doing that you forgot you kept doing, than you realize.
Let your practice evolve too, including your interpretation of these instructions and whether or not you're even conceiving of yourself as following them, by paying attention to what seems to work and not work. Nothing is off-limits; it's a giant puzzle. Have fun!
@AskYatharth I came up with the pun/phrase "knot-listening" a few years ago but it was just recently with these new videos that I got clear on wtf to do about it it's a parallel with knot-doing—they may even literally be the same phenomenon malcolmocean.com/2021/11/knot-d…
@AskYatharth sharing that article is making me think I probably want to get @this_is_silvia to make me another illustration for "knot-listening" ideally one that somehow indicates both the people being in knots with each other and also how the solution is untying yourself... hmm
@RomeoStevens76 @meditationstuff oooooh nice, yes. on which note I am doing way too many things right now
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
@Malcolm_Ocean @meditationstuff Do one thing at a time Do it slowly, and completely Between things, pause Sometimes mak…
@itinerantfog @RomeoStevens76 @AbstractFairy @meditationstuff this shirt has the right idea: There's never a million things you need to do. It's either 1 or [0]. youtube.com/watch?v=lm2kv_…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"shillage" is a word and it could use some shillage
@alicemazzy @ricvolpe & @BlackForestBoi & I built SpaceTime (guys are we ready for @visakanv to hook us up with some shillage? we're also looking for someone to take on maintaining and extending the project!)
@visakanv you're an inspiration for this awhile back I thought I might try to race against your 1M vomity words even though you have an 80% headstart 😱
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 2 of 219 tweets
"micromoments" is a word
"mis" is a word/prefix (I wanted to write "(mis)understanding" and "mis" got underlined)
Replying to @alt_visa
@alt_visa yess so here for this it shows up in little micromoments too, like literally just allowing someone to not understand you (which I know is huge for you) a reframe that might help: allowing them to not understand you means allowing them to have whatever (mis)understanding they have
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 2 of 219 tweets
"bruh" is a word
"rushedly" is a word
whose problem is this?
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 2 of 219 tweets
"triggery" is a word
"flinchy" is a word
Retweeted @m_ashcroft
I just uploaded a conversation with @reasonisfun where we talk about the interesting overlaps between Alexander Technique a…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"reacty" is a word
@metaLulie @TylerAlterman the comments to this are full of an outpouring of people revealing feelings about each others' comments
@metaLulie @TylerAlterman @mary_bajorek you were the one talking at GCI this weekend about doing a meditation where you noted "I like this", "I don't like this", "neutral", right?
@Duderichy complice.co ofc (notes in roam)
Thread · Letting other people make their own mistakes as respect · 10 of 11 tweets
the main cause of failing to do this afaict is having an overzealous self-other boundary that includes the other person and then says "I would never make a mistake like that!" and then tries to correct their behavior with our own principle bruh, they're not you!
letting people have their actual understandings (even when they're misunderstanding you) letting people try an approach (even if you know/think it won't work) letting people have their triggers & neuroses (even if they make no sense to you) = all forms of acceptance & respect
the sense of "I would never make that mistake in the first place" leads to not just correcting but trying to rushedly unmake the mistake
I'm mostly talking about an immediate triggery flinchy response here, not longer slower dynamics, though it does apply there too very common when people are less differentiated: - parents correcting children - husbands/wives correcting each other - mentor/guru correcting trainee
trying to prevent someone else from making their own mistake has a cost *sometimes* the cost is worth it; if you don't intervene, they'll burn the house down, or cause some smaller destruction to your or their property (or bodies) but there's still a cost!
and in those situations, it's important to be clear that *you're* the one not willing to bear the potential impacts of their learning process (as you perceive it)
or explain to them what you understand and let them decide if they're willing to bear those impacts! but then if they seem to be, notice if you suddenly grasp because you're not, and own that as yours. it's real, it matters. (tho they may choose to disregard it)
notice that in order to do that you have to really slow down and open up a dialogue you can't do that in the flinchy reacty mode and if the fire is very imminent, maybe there isn't time for that. this does happen but is way rarer than we usually believe.
and re "letting people have their actual understandings (even when they're misunderstanding you)" this isn't about allowing them to persist in misunderstanding you. it's about accepting that, for the time being... they are! that's reality. gotta start there to resolve it.
fun fact: the original tweet said "other people" but letting *yourself* make your own mistakes is *also* a profound form of self-respect and creates tons more space for thorough learning
@ricvolpe @alicemazzy @BlackForestBoi @visakanv right, yeah. I feel like it could use: - alerts of some kind (email, sms, twitter DM?) - some ping like "hey, we don't know where you are rn!" those would both increase value and increase activity. suspect something like that is needed to have sufficient usage
Retweeted @reasonisfun
Judging ideas by their people doesn’t mean that they’re useless unless someone is perfect. But the meat of relational idea…
@reasonisfun yup! don't take relational/psych advice from people less happy than you. don't adopt their worldviews. tho to the extent you've got the metabolism for it, you can learn a lot from trying to integrate their worldviews into yours.
whoa fascinating. I used to be part of a group that talked about "couple bubbles" as an obstacle to larger group coherence and indeed, couples can often generate a kind of multi-person inward mindset, unable to notice the world outside but yeah, healthy versions too
back from travelling and could do a couple podcast interviews in the next few weeks. who wants to talk? (or tag in a favorite podcast that you'd like to see me on!)
anybody know an FTX regrantor who might want to fund the sort of stuff I do? (deep research into the nature of trust & collective intelligence) ...get us in touch, I've got a proposal 😎
@Prigoose @jasoncbenn whoa epic! are you gonna go as hard in terms of becoming a real estate agent and so on? I imagine you're still in the planning phases, picking which region etc
@joaolmateus sounds like a great fit—DM to schedule. I'm pretty open atm, in Atlantic Time (1h further east than Eastern Time)
@Trent_STEMpunk sounds like a great fit!
@Trent_STEMpunk if you want to read a bit about my vision of the medium-term future, check out this post: malcolmocean.com/2022/05/100x-v…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 3 of 219 tweets
"regranting" is a word thanks to FTX
"prechosen" is a word
"pomo" is a word and so is "pomodoro"
@ungatedcreative @visakanv where do I sign up? also @utotranslucence you might like this for song stuff!
@imperialauditor @visakanv does it actually have the little arrowhead shapes or are those just illustrating something?
@ollyrobot @visakanv yeah, you would want a heavy blanket to snuff the oxygen or something maybe
Retweeted @visakanv
I’m respecting loads of people on the timeline very hard today
Thread · Rebooting a morning routine: frog pomodoros before consuming anything
fuckit, time to have a morning routine again gonna reboot my old 2015 routine: before I: 👀🍫 consume (check messages/feeds or eat) I shall: ☀️🏃♂️ go outside & do at least 5 secs exercise before which I shall: 🍅🐸 do at least 1 pomo towards prechosen frog (big scary task)
the "go outside" mostly functions to make the transition out of frog-mode much more obvious and harder to do mindlessly otherwise could easily be kinda like "hm, finished pomo #2, time for a snack"
it's a chain of minimum enjoyable actions, that in my experience often yields doing 3-8 pomos [25min work blocks] of important focused work before I eat it's self-reinforcing, because I love the state of focus I'm in before I've looked at any shit, so I want to fast for hours!
detailed elaboration from 2015 on how I do this and my thinking around it blog.complice.co/post/121559734…
@visakanv not enough people know about the pomodoro coworking rooms on Complice I think our meta-scene could easily have several active ones and they'd really amp up the vibe of our corner of twitter being a place where stuff happens! complice.co/room/general
(non-FTX donors also welcome, I just started here because afaik the regranting discretionary budgets expire at the end of September)
@justavagrant_ ah great point! I'd forgotten how explicitly we'd started there 😅
@justavagrant_ yes! regularly
@ReneeSolana yup! and then the dance is
if you use a word, it's a word doesn't matter what your dictionary thinks dictionaries are for documenting reality, not to assert it if you get unwanted red squiggles, add the word to your dictionary and @ me with "X is a word" and I'll add it to this thread
"wordsmithery" is a word
"neurochemical" is a word twitter.com/monotremism/st…
@monotremism @Duderichy made a thread to collect these
@csageland made a thread to collect these
wow, a beautiful thread reflecting on his experience of watching a convo between me & @huggingpuppy I feel very seen. top-notch video-based reply game sense of @justavagrant_ joining in the conversation
@angrigoryan__ @sariazout I happen to have this @calmfund thread open — seems like it's pointing in a similar direction
started digging into Resonance by Hartmut Rosa more and was again struck by how it feels like a sort of operationalization into daily life of the hemisphere model from McGilchrist guessing it'll blow a few people's minds, stay tuned for more specific recs
@huggingpuppy @justavagrant_ yeah! isn't it cool! tbh doesn't happen to me that often yet either, but it's slowly building. the months later part is a very cool aspect of putting one's thoughts online though. it gradually compounds
@DanielTabakman oh yeah! we were gonna do something awhile back. want to schedule for this week or next? message me
@octopichael what I said applies: the conviction is a cover for insecurity. v different from relaxed confidence sometimes there's also a kind of myopia driven by a need for a stable worldview to continue operating by, as well
@ClaireMoonAstro ooh interesting! what are some examples? or a typical instance
Retweeted @abhayance
@Malcolm_Ocean Being explicit about your goals is a gift to yourself of clarity and effortlessness in relation to knowing th…
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
"If you manage to control yourself there will be ice cream" said the parent. "I sure hope this doesn't have unforeseen…
Decent 1min articulation of acceptance and how it's totally compatible with seeking to change things: ift.tt/9WEa0iO
I've been vaguely considering signing up for some services that help with twitter-based marketing but then I realized that maybe these apps are the source of these annoying boilerplate cold DMs I keep getting?
"I see you're following interesting people like @visakanv—" "I see you're *not* following @visakanv because otherwise you'd know that generic cold DMs are shit reply game. go home."
@Ollie_Base ah yeah, totally legit. was not expecting regrantors tagged in the replies, more like someone DMing me and saying "I [know/am] someone who might be interested in funding you, send over your proposal?" it's a tough needle to thread, for sure, and I appreciate everyone involved 🙏
@TheZvi > As usual, a five-fold less potency matters but it matters far less than it sounds like it would matter. Orders of magnitude are the order of the day here. makes me think we should just be reporting potency in orders of magnitude then: eg "a 0.7-order reduction"
@m_ashcroft weirdly I always kinda thought I was really buff and it was only recently when I actually became really buff that I realized I had only been kinda buff beforehand!
Retweeted @visakanv
look around, every person you see was 3D printed by another person
@tasshinfogleman A Fire Upon The Deep, which is one of my favorite sci-fi novels takes quite awhile to even figure out what different kinds of entities the various characters are! amzn.to/3dIU12F
@repost_offender @ElodesNL @tasshinfogleman Clockwork Orange does this as well the book is narrated with heavy slang/pidgin that you eventually learn through context
@tasshinfogleman TENET the Christopher Nolan film from last year starring Time and Causality
@utotranslucence also "understood by whoever is treating you" I went to a homeopath as a kid and he was great at asking questions and listening deeply to whatever symptoms I wanted to talk about, even if they were the sort of thing that most doctors would have dismissed
@utotranslucence see also "royal touch"
@monotremism ahhh I bet yeah
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 2 of 219 tweets
"yall" is a word and doesn't have to have an apostrophe, especially if you use the Singlish version
..."Singlish" is a word
just had this Futurati podcast convo with @Trent_STEMpunk about collective consciousness, trust, and my 100× vision, and it was so good that I have no idea how I'm gonna wait a whole month to share it with yall (it'll be episode 111 and they're on like 105 now)
Replying to @toomuchincosmos
@toomuchincosmos reading this and genuinely wondering if the comm/trust tech I've been working has anything useful to offer to someone in your situation (I'm thinking probably not without knowing a bunch more about it; and as you note, very little leverage in any case)
in which @ricvolpe and I talk about a concept I learned from @GretchenAMcC: high-involvement and high-considerateness conversation styles, and speculate about a third mode ("high-unknown?") and possibly fourth featuring delightful talking hands youtu.be/uNjjl4d7gBs
wow just found this epic list of misconceptions about evolution. starts with simple stuff, moves into much more complex evolution.berkeley.edu/teach-evolutio…
some of these are questionable, actually! eg "evolution is a theory about the origin of life" ↳ false if by "evolution" you mean something specifically biological ↳ true if you mean "the process by which there tend to be more of the sorts of things that make more of themselves
another: "taxa that appear near the top or right-hand side of a phylogeny are more advanced than other organisms on the tree." they've all been evolving the whole time. newer isn't better. but! some overall shapes had others as dependencies and not vice versa
Retweeted @AskYatharth
dealing with any time someone is projecting on you
@thatgirlSparrow oh yeah, that's often part of it! but there can be a lack of attending to what's generating the apparent mistake in the first place, and whether it's actually the same, and so on
@aleksil79 based
Replying to @FlavoredCurry
@FlavoredCurry that's how I grew up, yup! and am very embodied and aware of my own limits, and almost never injure myself while doing anything like that (more likely to absentmindedly ram my knee on a coffee table, because I'm less attentive) crumbly shale cliffs, not just trees
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"disconfirm" is a word
@captain_mrs he's probably just getting people to project a different, less dramatic thing onto him. still school-boating! it's possible to project vibes to disconfirm any particular school-boat, but there is no way out of school-boating—we're always making sense of the present w the past!
@Myshkin08 see this epic post on why music may have evolved meltingasphalt.com/music-in-human…
@strategy_rpg @FlavoredCurry @goblinodds @tweet_librarian @m_ashcroft it doesn't even feel to me like making up words! the *below* thread is an example of me making up a word the thread you linked is just me using language in a natural evolutionary way, allowing prefixes & suffixes etc to produce new compounds!
proud to be listed as an example of an account that does this 😤 sometimes I write a whole thread while writing another thread! sometimes all my tweets in a thread contain a QT! twitter.com/FlavoredCurry/…
@ClaireMoonAstro ah yeah. or not having the trust that they'll get anything out of listening, I guess I'm remembering times when I've legally had to listen through a bank phone guy rattle off a bunch of fine print—one time he straight-up said "I'll go as fast as possible" 😆
@ClaireMoonAstro hmm this seems like fire in the "life or death" sense, but not in the "life or death in the next few seconds" sense so my guess is there are some moves available for slowing down and building trust, at least in some cases. may have to go super deep tho
@justavagrant_ yesssssss let's do it
reading this list of Parent Effectiveness Training skills/capacities (the source of "I statements" and "active listening") and thinking "damn TCS folks would hate this whole vibe but it must have been a huge upgrade compared to what else was available in 1962"
(source) gordontraining.com/parent-program…
first day of tomato frog routine reboot was epic: 3.5h solid work to finish a challenging rewrite now I've gotta figure out wtf my frog is for tomorrow tho!
that feeling when you've been vaguely aware of a word for decades and it finally for the first time presents itself as the word you actually want to use (and you look it up first to ensure it has the right connotations and denotations)
realizing during my quarterly review that I could use a better system for tracking my progress towards having written/video references published for all key Non-Naive Trust Dance topics #roamcult / @Conaw, how do I get myself a progress bar for this list? roamresearch.com/#/app/malcolmo…
Thread · Underestimating how long a task takes wrecks motivation · 3 of 4 tweets
one of the easiest ways I fuck up my motivation is by intending to do a task in under half an hour that on reflection will almost certainly take 1-2 hours to do well
pretty sure that's why I haven't written more Complice threads, for instance.
applies on other scales too years ago I set out to make a drip newsletter, and got stuck when I introspected I realized I'd allocated enough time to make a shit version, and that I didn't WANT to make a shit newsletter but that I ALSO didn't want to spend more time answer: quit
I'm falling back in love with strict pomodoros, and I'm enjoying the feel of putting other intentions at the bottom of my list if those urges/ideas arise. This is particularly powerful in Complice, where those new items DO stick around for a couple days but NOT forever!
By "strict pomos" I mean, first of all, not checking any random stuff during a pomo, but 2ndly, not doing OTHER USEFUL WORK during a pomo. Only working on the single thing I set out to work on. Have a good idea? Put it on the list and do it later (maybe). Don't divert momentum!
you spell "tomatoes", I spell "tomatos" you spell "potatoes", I spell "potatos" let's call the whole thing off
just referred to my twitter browser profile as a "dedicated" window and it suddenly occurred to me to look up the etymology of "dedicate" I guess I would say that connecting with people on twitter is a sacred purpose!
fucking love my dad's treadmill desk just walked 16km while doing my Q3 review
@babarganesh 😙👌
Thread · Underestimating how long a task takes wrecks motivation · 1 of 4 tweets
as @AskYatharth points out, this is sort of a special case of knot-doing: > You know that thing where you spend a lot of time NOT doing something? malcolmocean.com/2021/11/knot-d…
Thread · Words that are definitely words but my browser dictionary rejects · 1 of 219 tweets
"degrowth" is a word
"rapacious" was the word, in this case booknotes: > I'm worried [excerpt from Resonance by Hartmut Rosa] is advocating a degrowth perspective, when from my perspective it's obvious that we can live in harmony with the larger whole & evolution, while being in some sense rapacious
Replying to @JamesWords
@JamesWords nice! what are you doing with yours?
day two: huge win, didn't touch twitter til basically now v briefly before bed spent 1 pomo on each of 9 goals for Q3 review, plus 1 pomo for misc/overall review generated many "message person X" intentions; twas v satisfying to queue these up for after!
An inspiring quote for me to re-read after my app somehow failed to save the quarterly review I spent 5h writing today. Wasn't wasted time at all! (tho top priority for tomorrow is fixing that bug!)
very beautiful new post by @visakanv some simple rich raw reflections on motivation, freshness, aliveness, fun ift.tt/QU8VfMs
sometimes it doesn't work to find common ground you've got to build it
Realized that a good way to explain wtf I'm doing would be to record a convo with someone else working on the same metaproject: @Morphenius! This video, hot off the press, features some new articulations of each of our work that emerged live in the convo: youtu.be/NeN34rquMhY
the last few weeks I've been enjoying quipping to people who are lost in their phone "what's going on? queen still dead?"
wow what a bug, it required doing an unusual thing while having a beta feature enabled, and it was caused by 3 different things going somewhat wrong, any one of which not happening would have meant not losing my data so probably no other users got hit with this, which is nice
day 3: woke up 2h before alarm and felt like getting up and fixing this bug good thing too as it took 3 pomos not 1 and otherwise I wouldn't have had time before all of my scheduled stuff today. went slow & thorough and added unit tests
trust as an unquestioning attitude naive trust as "not questioning because it's not okay to question" non-naive trust as "not questioning because as far as you can tell you don't need to and you'd know if you did"
the above articulation emerged in this epic convo I had today:
Previously, I would somewhat doubt myself if someone doubted me, so I’d feel a need to convince them or dismiss them.