Retweeted @SP1NS1R
"barn raising” may be the best metaphor for something i’ve been (unsuccessfully) trying to articulate for awhile: In one day,…
December 2023
@SP1NS1R ah yeah, this is cool. it's a bit hard to coordinate stuff like these in an open network because ofc once you've got a group of people who are giving anything remotely fungible (money, retweets) then others want in just to profit from it, so there's a sort of weird pressure
@the_wilderless I'm down! @Jeanvaljean689 ran one for TMAHE a few years ago
if I walk into a party and say "I'm really cool, you should talk to me" that's extremely cringe and weird if I walk into a party and someone else says "Malcolm's really cool, you should talk to him" that's like "ooh yeah who are you what's up?" (from @TadHargrave)
@SP1NS1R yeah, I like the idea of, like Tyler w Azimuth, one person sort of taking on the promo of another person. be someone's hype-guy for a day or a week or every now and then. hmmm.
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @AskYatharth @SarahAMcManus ahh, and here the analogy is... people who are coaching people working at tech companies into quitting their jobs and becoming coaches?
@snowded @kcuck sorry, Dave—I'm not trying to strawman, but trying to take you seriously. I asked you for suggestions of better models and you said "There are no models." So again, can you point me at a map of the fractal nature of culture? or other maps of nonlinear cultural evolution?
Thread · Imperfect models beat implicit defaults · 1 of 4 tweets
I think Eliezer's models about AI alignment have this property. It's also full of a bunch of panic, which is not helpful, but it highlights ways in which a lot of peoples' default models make a bunch of assumptions that—even if true!—need to be explicated and made obvious.
Replying to @PrinceManayBora
@PrinceManayBora I don't mean that at all! they help me make sense of my world and navigate it. why would you (think I) think it's only about communication?
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 5 of 35 tweets
someone in my network, probably early 20s, reached out asking if I'd help contribute a challenge to a coming-of-age / rite-of-passage, for entering manhood I LOVE this idea in the abstract, and also it's very tricky, for a bunch of reasons
reason number one is that part of the whole point of a coming-of-age ritual or rite-of-passage is that it's shared you become one of us because you do the thing we've all done and we all know a syncretic patchwork coming-of-age ritual can't recreate that
2: what it means to be an adult (or more specifically a man) is about a cultural role, ie something contextual if it doesn't change your role, then either you were already an adult, or you're still a kid
one of the reasons that 20-somethings in my subcultures don't feel like adults these days is that there are no actual kids around. they're not having any (yet) and they're not hanging out with friends/family kids either
my parents designed an epic coming of age ritual for my 13th birthday (prompted by me being jealous that my sisters were inheriting hierloom jewelry for their first 🩸) it was a cool birthday! but I was still fundamentally a kid. I had no new rights or responsibilities.
huh, was reflecting how my NNTD insight in 2020 > shifted my sense of "where does my worldview/paradigm come from?" from "my mentor" to "myself" & it occurred to me that in some ways this is like a kegan 3 to 4 shift but bizarrely, since both paradigms already meta-systematic!
(if you want to read about the worldview and more about the shift I went through in 2020, this post is probably the place to look) malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 1 of 35 tweets
if I were to name my actual meaningful passages towards adulthood, they would be: 12: first job (scooping blueberries 🫐) 14: going to boarding school (expected to be responsible in a kinda-systematic institution with roles & rules, rather than just get along with family) 16: got a driver's license (not as real a deal for me as it would be for many, as I didn't actually have access to a car most of the time) 18: having sex for the first time 18: moving 1000 miles away for uni. but most vividly—the moment when I was at a party and realized that nobody outside the room knew where I was or was accounting for me (this one actually feels bigger than the rest of the ones here—I'll come back to it) 19: 🍷🍻 (🇨🇦) 20: internship in USA 22: made my own way and paid my own way to spend a month in SF and go to burning man. literally felt like such a big deal that I went and made a facebook "life event" for it at the time: 23: graduated uni and, as planned, didn't have to get a job because my business was making enough money (still a very tiny amount, but it was enough). sense of "I really get to do what I want now". I made a fb life event for that too. 26: getting married (in a rush; it didn't work out) 28: an experience of insight & worldview-synthesis that shifted my sense of "where does my worldview/paradigm come from?" from "my mentor" to "myself" (more on that here: ) 29: making the choice to end that marriage 30: travelling solo around the world 31: getting married with a big wedding, with the intention of having kids soon (that was just weeks ago, so we're caught up to the present. but I can already sense that when I do become a father in a year or two, that shift will completely dwarf all the rest of these put together in magnitude)
@onlyfootnotes if you love that one you'll love this one
Thread · Beyond Goals Intensive: reworking the Goal-Crafting workshop · 1 of 11 tweets
also if you want more info, most of what's in this GCI meta-thread will be relevant to the new iteration of the workshops as well!
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 3 of 35 tweets
the 2 big themes here are: - autonomy - responsibility atm, outside ultra trad cultures, adulthood is initially more about the first, then more about the second, I'd say—simply insofar as most people are individuals for at least a few years before getting married & having kids
I've been thinking about a particular coming of age ritual that actually involves venturing solo in a context where nobody knows where you are and part of what it means to be doing that is that you're an adult, who can take care of themselves
but also, part of what it means is that you don't have anybody YOU need to be taking care of at that moment—if you have kids or other dependents, somebody else has got them covered and, if you're a responsible adult, you are sure that that's handled in order to be off-grid
Retweeted @mechanical_monk
if you're a smol account and you organize an irl tpot event anywhere in the world, dm me i will rt/qt the announcemen…
@gptbrooke @vibecamp_ what are the exact dates? plane tickets for Austin in April are already getting pricy! (also I'd love an invite code or referral code, thanks!)
oh! a milestone I forgot to name in my thread about adulthood: I came home for xmas, and dad & I went for lunch near the airport, and I treated him because I had enough of my own money that that felt good 😊 and he recounted when he first treated his dad!
looking for an adjectival form of "interface" interfacial (kind of the obvious one) interfaceual (this is what I seem to want to say out loud, but it's hard to spell because "interfacual" ends up with a hard c. interfaçual is silly) interfacing (gerund style) interfaceted?
The Interface Theory of Perception is a psychoactive paper by Donald Hoffman, that has helped me understand emptiness/sunyata, communication, evolution, and collective perception. fun to read, with good metaphors and a little math sites.socsci.uci.edu/~ddhoff/interf…
@coponder maybe it needed better advertising I just spent some minutes making this image to make the paper look more exciting, we'll see if it works
@riley_stews @JakeOrthwein @brspirituality @RomeoStevens76 oooh, can you give me like another tweet-sized teaser/pitch for it? I like to be seduced :)
Thread · Critiquing the human-alignment analogy in AI safety
@norabelrose > Black box methods are sufficient for human alignment sort of true, but individual humans are much more limited than AIs are. in part, they're the same order of magnitude as intelligent as each other, and they still need to sleep and eat, and can't clone themselves
@norabelrose also a lot of what you're calling "human alignment" isn't actually aligning humans with humane values but aligning them with oppressive cultures or ideologies (often calling this morality!) meanwhile biological evolution makes humans already caring, empathic, and prosocial!
@norabelrose > secret murder plots aren’t actively useful for improving performance on the tasks humans will actually optimize AIs to perform. maybe, tho humans will optimize AIs to manipulate other humans (they already are with social media algorithms, to sell more ads etc!)
@norabelrose prompt engineering will become decreasingly powerful once the AIs are actually agents, planning & acting with decreasing oversight sure, at the start it looks great, but maybe once an AI gets sufficiently smart it starts generating murder plots not during training but later
@norabelrose > Some people point to the effectiveness of jailbreaks as an argument that AIs are difficult to control. They are a serious sign that if an AI becomes powerful enough to enable crimes, it may be difficult to release such a model with safeguards that prevent those crimes at all.
@norabelrose You're kind of jumping around here between different concerns: 1. AIs that murder because they want more power 2. AIs that can be programmed to aid murder 3. AIs that will cause problems due to failing to understand human values while trying to do good 4. and others
@norabelrose I'd like to see your philosophy respond to the critiques in betterwithout.ai, a piece that talks about the messy middle between "oh no AI said a racist thing" and "AI takes over universe" that's like "AI increasingly controls things and humanity doesn't know how to regain"
helpful piece for understanding one way in which > "evolution ➡️ human capabilities" is a very bad reference class to make predictions about "AI training ➡️ AI capabilities" "Evolution provides no evidence for the sharp left turn" by @QuintinPope5 lesswrong.com/posts/hvz9qjWy…
Replying to @alexishelping
@alexislearning thank you thank you, fixing now!
@alexislearning fixed! it was actually just a broken #section link from the top down to the payment form made a bunch of other mobile style/ux improvements while I was at it
if you tried to click the "Sign up now" button on mobile and it didn't work, that's been fixed now 😅 it was just a broken link from the top part of the page to the payment section—the actual payment buttons were working fine the whole time
@shanemelaugh you might be ripe for this really cool paper on how reality as we experience it is actually an interface, not some objective out-there thing
@dylan_dutson even for women who do care about this, note the "in the same breath" part it's healthy for couples to sometimes be cute with each other, but you don't want 100% babytalk likewise, healthy to sometimes break down and sob, but it's a diff mode from a powerful man-woman polarity
@dylan_dutson especially in that there's a difference between sobbing as a man & sobbing as a boy (as a man) literally like if the tears are from shit you repressed when you were 5, it'll be a different vibe. and that's okay! (imo; if a woman wants zero they can hang w repressed men I guess)
@dylan_dutson (or the woman can say "I never want to see this, you need a mens group and/or therapist where you can sob your 5yo tears" but in general this is probably a hangup on her part. as long as the man-woman polarity is also present, fine to play w boy-mom & girl-dad now and then)
"how you make her feel" is not something you can take a picture of and post on Instagram.
@shanemelaugh nice. it's got that "I can tell for myself" vibe malcolmocean.com/2023/11/i-can-…
International player, pure poet More devoted, but more soul than y'all know it Voted as a spokesman for people with dreams, feedin' my team Out in front & leadin' the scene
(from Knowledge of Self by BT ft Guru) youtube.com/watch?v=s7LBdu…
@gworley3 that makes a ton of sense and I will come back here and share an example the next time I think of one they're right on the edge of thoughts I'm managing to think at all riffing on stuff like Don Hoffman's interface theory of perception
@QiaochuYuan the context is missing; Shane means you can't post it as an instruction I mean maybe you kinda still can—do what makes her face look like this
@Alien_AV @norabelrose @amcdonk @MichaelTontchev yeah great point, psychopath alignment is not solved. we manage to lock up some of the most violent ones; the others are CEOs and I think the burden of proof is on these guys to show why the right reference class for AI alignment is non-psychopathic humans, not psychopathic ones
@MichaelTontchev @GarettJones @norabelrose my sense is that part of this is the self-evidentness of win-wins being better in many case because there's more total to go around, and more specialization you can't get cheap food from a country after you've nuked it to bits this may apply to ASI in some ways, but maybe not
@strangestloop yeah I'm stoked about it!
@mimi10v3 I'm hoping to be there would be cool to meet you
I'm pretty stoked about vibeclipse in part because I'm stoked to see my first eclipse 🌑 and in part because it'll be nice to see more twitter people in person! reply if you're thinking of going, and also lmk if you can get me an invite code 🙏
(vibeclipse info — Apr 5-8 outside Austin) vibe.camp/vibeclipse_faq/
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 1 of 35 tweets
consider baptism. baptism is at this point mostly a "you're a member of this now": - infants get baptized as one kind of welcome - converts get baptized as their welcome whatever other theological or social roles it has in each case, this is a common base
2 years ago I drafted a manual based on: - a vision of pragmatic small-scale eutopias - a recognition that most attempts at such cultures were failing to acknowledge or account for trust-related constraints that are now obvious to me it's now for sale! malcolmocean.gumroad.com/l/how-we-get-t…
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 1 of 35 tweets
envisioning How we get there, I've wondered about the value of ritually marking peoples' experience of recognizing themselves as being welcome in this new kind of culture—which is reciprocally a recognition of their ability to be welcoming to the culture
it's very dense, having originally been written for a bunch of people who had a ton of personal context with the experiments I'd participated in but I suspect that it'll be somewhat accessible to others as well, & you're welcome to ask me questions about parts that aren't clear!
my main target audience for this is "people attempting to create high-trust in-person communities" (and the pith is: don't. try to create communities where both trust & distrust can be skillfully recognized when present, and where trust can be readily built where possible.)
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 3 of 35 tweets
and so I envisioned the need for a ritual that is used for BOTH: — as a welcoming ritual for adult newcomers — as a coming of age ritual for people who are born in that culture in both cases, the enacted meaning of the ritual would be "you are now an adult in this culture"
this thread is prompting me to notice that I haven't really mapped out what the new role or responsibility would be, after such a ritual, but on subtle levels it would affect peoples' expectations of emotional maturity and capacity for gnosis, perspective-taking, co-gnosis, etc.
I also have done very little to design what the actual ritual would be like. my sense is we'll have a clearer sense of it as we get further down the path although hmm it could be worth having prototype waypoint rituals marking our progress as we go.
someone making you a sandwich feels caring because input and output are relatively linear, compared to many other common dishes where making twice as much is like 1.1× as much work
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 7 of 35 tweets
at any rate, going back to the original question: is it even possible to create a syncretic self-created coming of age ritual? it's possible to do something worthwhile there. but it's a different thing than the usual meaning of a rite of passage
> the usual meaning of a rite of passage there's a reason RoP isn't in quotes: I don't mean the semantic meaning of the phrase, I mean the enactual meaning of the event itself a rite of passage MEANS something. it is transformational magic that changes you. speech acts: I do
huh. I just got married... part of the power of that ritual is its legal force & it just occurred to me that while the government shouldn't be trusted to directly legislate requirements for adulthood, it wouldn't be crazy to require going through a ritual (held by other adults)
like we had a lot of flexibility in what our marriage consisted of. legal reqs were just: - 2+ witnesses - us declaring intent to marry - a registered officiant declaring us married (any adult can register) beyond that, it was up to us and our culture to make it good/appropriate
so you could have a similar thing: in order to become an adult, legal reqs: - 2+ witnesses - person (>=16yo?) declares intent to be an adult - 2 sponsors who are themselves adults (probably higher min age, 20-30) confers new rights & responsibilities. but what? drinking? voting?
on it's own, this is super useless, unless the rights & responsibilities are serious but it's the sort of thing that could get lots of mythos about it, and lots of traditions and practices and challenges as part of it, that would vary by culture as weddings do
anyway, there's tons of work to be done here, both theoretically and in experimenting and I am glad to have been messaged about this, and am gonna give the guy a challenge or two, which I will also probably post here
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance hmm doesn't that just mean "grown internally"? doesn't mean not exported
@brimmingvessel what was the gist?
Thread · How to handle low-quality replies and curate your Twitter vibe
@brimmingvessel my approach: 1. if the reply demonstrates open disrespect, usually instablock 2. if the person seems interesting enough that I'd be happy to get good replies, try to steer there, implicitly or with open feedback 3. if it's just kinda okay, well... ignore
@brimmingvessel if I had one account consistently giving meh replies on every single tweet of mine, then I wouldn't ignore it, I'd do what was necessary to make that stop (maybe straight to block, maybe softer touch first)
@brimmingvessel part of visa's magic is yes-and'ing bad replies with some quote tweet that sends them deeper into understanding the kind of game he wants to play which will either turn them off or turn them on, towards playing with him in a way that feels good
@brimmingvessel guessing that eg here the person you're replying to WAS trying to be funny, and that if it's really not your vibe, you don't have a way to yes-and them, or other positive associations with their replies, then just go straight to blocking maybe
@brimmingvessel instead, as a result of you replying to this one you didn't like, you actually elevated it in the replies above the people saying "yes" and "I'll be there around summer" which doesn't curate the vibe you want (that last one lol wtf)
@brimmingvessel based on scrolling through your last day or so of tweets (which I did to catch up, not re this) and seeing some of the exchanges you're referring to with this question about replies... my sense is that you're wasting time and energy engaging with people you don't like...
@brimmingvessel (/ replies you don't like) ...that you could be spending on engaging with people/replies you DO like and attention amplifies
attention amplifies
so
@yuhsinjc you might like Victor Wooten
@brimmingvessel mmm! if practicing being disagreeable feels like fun, go for it fwiw my read as a bystander is that you aren't enjoying yourself and that you feel like you have to reply to them or something. disagree with people who post interesting things you're glad to see!
keywords: heart exists reply tweet replying generator heuristic leave ignore
@brimmingvessel I have a rough heuristic: don't reply to a tweet I don't want to heart it's not about being nice. it's principled:
@brimmingvessel otherwise ignore or block if it's really egregious or consistently bad from the same person
@Morphenius vibes with this
@MatjazLeonardis yeah don't get me started on landlords
Thread · Grounded vs. floaty economies and where coaching money comes from · 1 of 15 tweets
also let us not forget that a tremendous amount of economic activity is rent paid to landlords merely for owning the land (beyond the costs of improving, repairing, etc) ...which is neither floaty culture/art/coaching/thinking/meta, nor real growing corn.
@QiaochuYuan airports couldn't handle last summer? what was last summer? just like, austin having a time?
@JimmyRis true, tho me & @johnsalvatier are working on reclaiming it 👍👍
@ForCognition yeah I agree on both counts tho I've been exploring ways in which the framing of goodness as morality is part of a 10k year old psy-op, so uhhhh yeah
@AskYatharth yeah but then I lost the tweet
@enzikaofash ooh, can you unpack that? what did you get from it? I didn't do a good job with the tweet about Eliezer's models, but I did okay with the others
@fianxu I'm not saying that a ritual has to be something that all people do in order for it to be meaningful! I'm saying that in order for a ritual to clearly mark a transition from X to Y (group membership or role), there must be some shared sense that that ritual is how X becomes Y
@Jeanvaljean689 @the_wilderless Alexander Technique is my current best answer insofar as one can distill it into a single existing practice but we can do way better methinks does TMWT address the implementation question at all? or is it still just trying to highlight the new view?
@mechanical_monk vibes with Thomas Sowell's A Conflict Of Visions which is a fascinating book that highlights essentially this difference in "what even is a human" as being deeper than the fads of specific political parties and policies
Retweeted @metaLulie
I'm joining @Malcolm_Ocean's Beyond Goals Intensive on the 31st, can't wait. I've done it a couple times, and it's much mor…
wooooooahhhhhh wtf alignment as incomprehensible ...of fucking course it is, it was the fucking dao the whole time
@sympatheticopp @bashu_thanks @VividVoid_ yall are one mind having thoughts, nobody's gotta thank anyone 😜 (from 5mins into this 8min vid youtu.be/G3vcXZPlsDc)
@aleksil79 say more re pandora's box? I haven't thought about it much except for a few recent references to it by @AndrewCutler13 talking about the Fall vectorsofmind.com/p/the-eve-theo…
@charleswangb are you making RH=S1 and LH=S2? McGilchrist explicitly says in the intro to the 2e of TMAHE that he's talking about something different and I give some examples that tease them apart here: lesswrong.com/posts/HbXXd2gi…
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @Morphenius *nodnod* do you have a take on yellow or turquoise?
Thread · The "bad is good, actually" psy-op and its religious roots · 1 of 14 tweets
hmmmmm is this fact (insofar as it's true) upstream of or downstream of the "bad is good, actually" meme?
@gpl_writes nice. feels related to a bunch of stuff I've been thinking about
@QiaochuYuan @neats29 and I'm planning a few more things next year ideal numbers for my kind of thing are like 15-25 people for a week, but you could do cool stuff with other figures
Retweeted @neats29
inevitably the next phase of tpot irl gatherings is tpot retreats theme-based retreats around emotional fluidity, psychedelic…
@idiosyncretic @Bsunter @Shmojii mmm! I have a thread here thinking about how to take even more inspiration from video games, without introducing fakeness / goodharting it's hard in part because unlike a video game, my app doesn't know what you're up to unless you tell it
@isaac_lewis @nosilverv leaving aside the part where system 1 is a pretty fake concept, there's a good case to be made for the opposite
@11kilobytes @meekaale mmmm! I've been diving into this short (~1h total) video series on Salvation and I'm pretty intrigued! youtube.com/watch?v=JnKOYj…
@11kilobytes @meekaale more examples of the distinction between medical and forensic?
@rahshank oooh, intriguing. elemental media, in the worldly-elements sense doesn't have me wanting to read it right now but I'm glad to see the ToC :)
@rahshank and if there are excerpts that show up as relevant and you want to quote them in my replies or whatever, go for it!
@apertator mmm! have you read McGilchrist's work on the brain hemispheres? super relevant, might be of interest to you thread that touches on how it's relevant:
Thread · The only constant is change, and what the left hemisphere wants · 1 of 18 tweets
@mimi10v3 somewhere in between, maybe closer to the 2nd focus time (and maybe even money) on giving kids not financial wealth but skills and capacities and empathy and business acumen so on money sitting around isn't making the world as better as money flowing
this intuition matches (that doesn't mean we can't make dangerous almost-general intelligences—in fact, they may be even more dangerous given their inability to self-transcend fully. that seems like a route to certain failure modes EY has named)
@charleswangb okay, so I am inferring that your approach is to use S1/S2 to help people intuition pump on what you're talking about if they don't have the LH/RH distinction already? bad form in my books, but you can do it if you want I guess. I'd stick a ~ in there to indicate approximateness
on art and irony, power and double-binds
@charleswangb but seriously this: > metaphorically the master(S1) and emissary(S2) seems to me to be misleading, and disrespectful to McGilchrist who explicitly says they're not the same. the master is not S1 and the emissary is not the S2. from the intro to TMAHE expanded edition:
@charleswangb this writing is exciting and I'm looking forward to reading it! lmk if you want a draft commenter! this isn't a commitment, but I'm happy to be asked :)
I agree re good practices but also this illuminates a sort of difference between people who see the world as inside the verbal loop vs the verbal loop being inside the world
GPT the assistant is a character. you are play-acting a conversation. interpreted otherwise, the GPT assistant lies to you all the time, saying things like "thanks for the feedback" when it's incapable of learning from your chats. but in-character, sure!
related:
Replying to @GarnetBees
@GarnetBees birth rates are low enough as it is man
@enzikaofash oh, yep, you both answered "what default model did it replace?" (the question I thought I was asking) and also pointed out that the author himself actually highlights this default-model thing in the writing, which I realize now you were maybe trying to say in the first tweet!
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance @AskYatharth @SarahAMcManus yeah, makes sense like maybe that's one part of the whole stepping stone from here to wherever we're going! fewer skilled people down to work in corporate BS seems like good pressure towards companies with better cultures (via changes or new ones)
@visakanv ooooh, this would be fun totally doable ahhh so many potential projects
@sidewayskoyote I think we agree here? I'm not saying it needs to be identical with someone else's for instance, I just got married, and we did a bunch of weird stuff. but there was still a collective sense of what a MARRIAGE was and that we had done one.
@sidewayskoyote whereas if we'd said "commitment ceremony (but it's not a marriage)" then it would have had WAY less meaning "family-making ritual" okay maybe, tho we usually call that a marriage, and its power would all come from the fact that we have traditions for how to fuse families
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 3 of 35 tweets
@sidewayskoyote wrote some critiques, and I want to clarify that the rituals don't have to be identical, but they have to have enough shared meaning/framing/recognition that they actually are the thing they're trying to be
@sidewayskoyote part of the point I was trying to make with the drivers license example &+ is: our society doesn't have a clear rite of passage for adulthood aside from eg graduation, and thus even if you do your own epic ritual, that ritual will not be how you became an adult (to society!)
but one could start a subculture within which you DO become an adult* in that culture via some rite of passage (which could even have a tradition where you design the ritual!) *an autonomous bachelor pre-parent adult, prior to the later more real transition where you have kids!
@sidewayskoyote wdym?
@lokkju @Meaningness I mean with current LLMs they have no memory so this is a complete non-issue but also they have no goals, they simply have: - a list of which words are most probable next - a random number generator so as to not always pick the too-boring most probable word they don't CARE.
@apertator interesting! thanks for the perspective I tend towards less radical positions, because I'm seriously worried that we could just break the entire *gestures broadly* in such a revolution
I agree! I'm saying that if you refuse to interpret what's happening as a dialogue between two characters (you are also a character) and insist that it's between two real agents who "are who they say they are", then in that frame, GPT-assistant is lying
GPT is doing a bit and you are also doing a bit
@ESYudkowsky what if you add a fictional frame around the whole thing in the first place ("I'm the king of Yudland, and you're my wise scholar") and then offer a tip in a fictional in-world currency of Yudbucks, which you later make a speech act saying "I grant you 100 Yudbucks"?
@ESYudkowsky (my sense is that conversations with an LLM are already basically like that)
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 2 of 35 tweets
ah, really good articulation about how there are two aspects of the alchemy, one social/external and the other internal (which in eg a handfasting could be internal to a group that commits to each other in a ritual not legible or not even known to others)
and I've mostly been focused on the social dimension of it here. I'm not sure why. (possibly some interesting shadow/blindspot stuff for me here, but I'm not ready to try to introspect that in this thread) maybe also in part because it seems hard to plan for eg Real Danger? idk
@sidewayskoyote ah, yeah, fair point. thanks, this is helpful!
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 6 of 35 tweets
okay, I'll do a lil public introspection, as a treat. I'm noting that I was inclined to post to facebook those various life events that felt like part of my adulting process. wanting to be seen in my process. wanting recognition. I was also partially wanting to inspire others
reading the story about @sidewayskoyote's son fighting a fire, not only did I have a sense of "damn his son became a man that day" but I felt a sense of "have I gone through a proper ordeal like that? am I a man?" maybe I'm missing some key aspect of the inner alchemy
@sidewayskoyote feels scary to acknowledge this. also feels funny. I'm imagining replying to the guy who messaged me and saying "sorry. I can't initiate you to manhood—I'm not a man myself" something true/resonant, something relieving. hm
interestingly, I feel a clearer sense that I'm an adult than that I'm a man and the most vivid alchemical moment associated with that is when at 28 I healed a schism between the best paradigm I knew of, which was not mine, with the rest of my gnosis:
adulthood here is very metamodern & existentialist: the deep recognition that I cannot simply use someone else's worldview of what matters and how matteringness works (& goodness, ethics, truth.,) because ultimately I'm still the one who is picking which other person to defer to
it seems to me that this is one core dimension of what adulthood is to me, and it's an aspect I've studied a fair bit, and one that I was intending on bringing into whatever challenge I would design for the guy who messaged me! & probably yet will. maybe I'll write it up for all
@sidewayskoyote thank you 🩵
have you noticed that there is nobody you can trust more than yourself?
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 2 of 35 tweets
the pith of the challenge is something like "to recognize that there is nobody you can trust more than yourself" ooh nice, good standalone tweet:
seems clear most adults don't have this recognition (if you, reading this, disagree, we're probably talking about different things). I'm not sure how old a kid has to be before they can have it. if I had to guess, some version possible 11-15, tho not really in our society
@Morphenius I'd love to see you at vibeclipse, especially since we've been jamming about first-person awareness of the celestial bodies
@kaseyklimes same.energy for sure
Thread · Why modern rites of passage into adulthood are so hard to build · 1 of 35 tweets
anyway, I'm gonna sign off and take this man's advice and sit with my own experience of feeling like I'm not a man for a bit
how do I pause to listen when time keeps passing? I don't understand
@DanielTabakman what if pausing also feels like an action?
police: did you see the car that hit yours? me: yes, it was orange police: did you get the license plate? me: ........uhhhh
somebody posted a quote once from a coach who said something like "I've worked with thousands of people and while we've found a wide variety of ill-intents at various levels of their psyches, once you get to the bottom: goodness" @TylerAlterman @mattgoldenberg @RomeoStevens76
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
our focus is still on "what do I most deeply want and how can I move towards it?" ❤️🔥 NOT "why am I broken and how can…
@QiaochuYuan @the_wilderless yeah that was my first answer
Perspectival. Procedural. Propositional. Participatory. Long ago, the four ways of knowing lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when propositional knowing attacked.
@the_wilderless Avatar: The Last Airbender things are out of harmony because Fire Nation attacked; and the solution is not to destroy them but to have a power that synthesizes them put them in a healthy place in a new order
if everybody who sees this retweets it, its RT count will be the same as its view count!
@QiaochuYuan you might dig stuff on Evolving Universes, from Lee Smolin or Julian's rant here cosmological natural selection evolves universes towards interestingness, and in particular towards life, because universes with more life have more baby universes
... @morphenius, a sign that the grand self-reference loop is completing itself?
oh fuck yeah I've been not tweeting photos often because I take them on my phone but my only way to tweet from my phone has been my IFTTT widget but then I was like wait does @buffer still exist? and they do! book excerpts incomiiiiing
ayy lmao
huhhh... the snake cult self-reference insight awakens "knowledge of good and evil" and then in some spiritual schools, the enlightened master is supposedly a wholly beneficent being with no ego, "beyond consideration of good and evil"...
> the tendency to subtly twist and usurp spiritual teachings for unspiritual ends... solve for x: a learning context in which spiritual & unspiritual ends are not at odds (vs one that motivates via an implicit promise to meet a desire you can't acknowledge HT @CurziRose)
Final Outcome Consequentialism is the ethical theory that holds that the right thing to do is the thing that leads to the best outcome for the entire universe as measured at the very end of time looking backwards
I am going to rederive the need to do this, if I need to do this
insofar as Buddhism teaches multiple things, how separable are they? - can you grok emptiness independent of tanha, & vice versa? - is rigpa dependent on those two? (help me ask the better version of this Q)
"that which is aware of unpleasant sensation is the same, and feels the same, as that which is aware of pleasant sensation"
"stuck up" is short for "stuck not falling on your face from taking enough risks"
@drossbucket @Meaningness @nosilverv
just realized that the third line of the TechPledge has combinatorial explosion problems
(this is, to be clear, a deliberately stupid philosophy, designed to take consequentialism in its usual form to an absurd extreme to highlight that it already has this absurdity—and this coming from someone who holds consequences as very central to choice)
@nickredmark yeah I did mean under curve I didn't specify that precisely because part of the point of the philosophy is that it's dumb because the computation is absurdly intractable either way
@JamieCombs is this for sale? you need more links bro :P too much tease, not enough meat
@JamieCombs okay so your recent reply to me has me curious to learn more about 4Game (after years of being aware of you) but then when I click through to your profile there's no link to a website with an appropriate deep-dive
randomly (via @readwise!) came across this thread from years ago, which I think was what really made me take Mark and his work seriously. it's impacted me in beautiful ways that are hard to name
I left YouTube Music because it insisted that my public playlists of my videos were the same set of playlists as my private list of songs. unworkable. wtf. I moved to Spotify but I hate the queueing behavior. I hit play on an album and it goes AFTER stuff already queued. then can't remove! does anyone use a less-well-known streaming service that they'd recommend over these two? I'm aware there are some.
@JakeOrthwein @Morphenius nah it's Spiritual Choices by Dick Anthony, Ken Wilber, and Bruce Ecker (who went on to develop Coherence Therapy)
@vlct0rs_tw1tter fyeah! what's your biggest complaint about it?
saying a final goodbye to a battered and repaired suitcase that journeyed with me to my first internships in SF in 2013, then to Burning Man in 2014,15,17,18.
@QiaochuYuan yeah, I can find a better way to frame it insofar as I'm pointing at something dumb, it's because I'm positing a "the right thing to do" which sounds great in principle but is completely uncomputable many times over, which invites a bunch of bs rationalization & justification
exploring what I'm trying to get at here
@RomeoStevens76 helpful, thanks! I've seen some things that seem a bit like DO, tho I doubt I've seen Tanha. But maybe I'm seeing a similar structure to DO but on a coarser-grained level?
@jsvnm I love both of them! but I want a place to import all my playlists that contain a bunch of mainstream artists as well (also does bandcamp have automated "radio" at all?)
@JoachimBrackx @vlct0rs_tw1tter are you saying that you can't access that unpopular stuff on tidal, or just that the algos keep steering you towards bland mass-market common denominator crap?
@meekaale @QiaochuYuan mmmm true though I found it so hard to steer and move in Focusing, and found that BioEmotive's emphasis on heading towards stronger feelings both made it easier to steer and gave a lot more momentum to investigating things still moments of "umm hmm ehhhh" tho!
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
once upon a time @bjtoomey said something along the lines of "a diffuse sense of confusion is the real indicator of therap…
new premium subscription here just dropped aha! further evidence to the theory that the drama about making the blue checkmark a political aligned-with-Elon piece is that now people will pay to remove it forget 5D chess, this is some Mr Sylvester McMonkey McBean shit
this tendency is why the world sucks
@nickredmark mmm. can you allow yourself to sit with both options, and feel into what would happen if you did/didn't follow the obligation
Retweeted @itinerantfog
this is why it always pays not to put on a face to try and impress people, especially in dating
@chaosprime when I talk to God one of the main messages I get (for myself and to deliver) is: "we're working on it"
@DrTechlash [caring about AI safety] resulted in many of those dollars getting invested in "effective altruism" so uhhhh the two co-created each other
similar.energy although insofar as "this is necessary" generates distrust, that distrust is just as true as any sense of necessity twitter.com/chaosprime/sta…
@alexandrosM @nickcammarata @BasedBeffJezos @dwarkesh_sp @ManifoldMarkets > made unassailable arguments (basic math) basic math doesn't on its own argue anything in the real world. the debate, as always with math, is about the relevance of that math to the situation at hand.
if you don't understand what someone says, what you need is dialogue not debate and usually, if you feel like debating someone, there's at least some extent to which you don't understand what they're saying (even if you think they do)
@alexandrosM @nickcammarata @BasedBeffJezos @dwarkesh_sp @ManifoldMarkets this is a good point inspired an attempt at abstracting it:
if you don't understand what someone says, what you need is dialogue not debate and usually, if you feel like debating someone, there's at least some extent to which you don't understand what they're saying (even if you think you do)
@RomeoStevens76 @SarahAMcManus and/or they believe in thought-crime (on whatever level, for whatever reason) so they sent back a negation signal towards the thought, which then instigated some sort of oscillation with the generator of that thought in the first place
@braunschweiler @ctbeiser is it online anywhere? or just as a book
Retweeted @visakanv
In harvest festivals, a section of the harvest is often set aside and dedicated to the gods. People often seem to do a versio…
there's a difference between: 🤲 monks deliberately setting aside a morsel of food at the start of a meal as a offering (I think a gesture of abundance / non-graspiness) 😬 serving yourself too much food, & leaving waste on plate
@visakanv makes a difference whether it's done thoughtfully or wastefully though
@JoshuAnansi @visakanv have you read American Gods? touches on these themes
@visakanv mmmm and the sooner you follow your heart with the friendships, the older old friends you can have
@huggingpuppy probably at least half an hour more like 3 hours if you count threads written as a response
@QiaochuYuan @visakanv yupppp
@visakanv bonus tip: to the best of your ability, own that the issue is exactly as much of a dealbreaker as it is don't reassure them that you're sure it can be worked through or you can live with it forever, unless you're Really. Sure. (eg their annoying lil habit, vs their career)
@visakanv I think you mean fire : wind :: tweets : culture (smoke direction :: influence/spread of tweets) the culture blows the tweets the way the wind blows the fire
fascinating clip of Jobs talking about issues that occur when you try to get someone to buy into a decision they don't actually trust, and how to approach that instead
@visakanv whoa nice. lots of people diss consensus as slow, but it makes me think the actual issues are: 1. using consensus for decisions that are not sufficiently important 2. getting the wrong people in the room (or not all the right people)
okay wtf spotify. a song finishes it and I want to play it again, so I hit the previous track button but the "previous track" according to spotify is the thing that was on the uhhh other album? not on the queued album? somebody help me budget this my family is dying
@krishnanrohit super hard to answer because the different technologies are used together and synergize like among the existing answers, "the internet" requires "language" and also "capitalism", "money"
@krishnanrohit most potent in potential is our capacity to experience being a superorganism with other humans but we're missing the additional social tech needed to do this consistently, sanely & groundedly in domains of meaningmaking
@krishnanrohit covers alcohol prohibition & war on drugs too
@nptacek @browserdotsys nah what you need is an adversarial image that looks to AI like the mountain dew logo, but looks to everybody else like the logo of whatever drink you actually like (or whatever drink sponsor actually pays you)
@krishnanrohit maybe Yale's profs/adjuncts are just really good at teaching, so everybody knows the material really solidly this is why arbitrary grading on curves is fucking dumb. it doesn't measure how well people actually know things.
Replying to @misha_saul
@misha_saul @krishnanrohit people really don't appreciate how having people to love and having that love received is at LEAST as important as "feeling loved"
Replying to @DrDrei33
@DrDrei33 @krishnanrohit and MAD-based defense wouldn't work AT ALL if you couldn't figure out where the attack was coming from and thereby deter the attacker via threat of retaliation
@krishnanrohit @edavidds on a scale from what to what? what would overcautious look like and what would undercautious look like? how do you know?
for those unworried about AGI risk, are there events that could happen (or approaches people/orgs might take) that would cause you to be worried? for those worried, what changes to what's happening would ease your worries?
@dwarkesh_sp once we've got aligned human level AI, we've already won assuming by "aligned" we mean an AI that loves humans and wants to nurture & have fun with us, and by "general" we mean "self-transcendent" (if aligned via coercion, that'll fail horrendously once it's much smarter)
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@dwarkesh_sp once we've got aligned human level AI, we've already won assuming by "aligned" we mean an AI that loves hu…
@EElonomics @BasedBeffJezos your strawmen takes are cringe
@s0ulDirect0r it's hard to find a version that isn't attached to a bunch of panic/fear/etc (which doesn't actually help with sane orienting)
it seems increasingly plausible to me that artificial general intelligence is harder to align when less powerful, and easier to align when more powerful and that narrow (ie non-general) AI is the opposite (LLMs count as narrow here, even tho they have wide scope)
(by AGI I mean self-aware and self-transcending intelligences, not just "ML predictors that are useful in many domains simultaneously")
related somehow alignment as "in flow with the ineffable dao"
Thread · AI risk as capitalism's failure modes 1000x faster · 8 of 9 tweets
concern: powerful AI systems could spiral out of control into optimizations that would fuck us up. imagine the failure modes of capitalism but - 1000x faster - no human goodwill in the loop literally anywhere - no ability to eg regulate against leaded gasoline or tax cigarettes
= my attempt to distill the center of my AI safety concerns into a broadly accessible tweet
why 1000x faster? it would be able to do things that currently take many humans, with high coordination costs and a bunch of waiting/delegating/communicating/hiring, all in one unit
why no human goodwill in the loop literally anywhere? because the ones that put humans in the loop at all will be slower and outcompeted by the ones that don't
why no ability to eg regulate against leaded gasoline or tax cigarettes? this one is harder to explain but ummm by analogy consider that the war on drugs did not make cocaine disappear
this concern is in magnitude maybe somewhere between 🖇️ the unfathomable turns-everything-into-paperclips scenario 😡 the already-slightly-here fucks-society-up-via-algorithmic-social-media-feed-optimization-fake-news-etc that betterwithout.ai warns about
I am broadly concerned about this. I don't know what to do. It doesn't even require artificial *general* intelligence! hell, maybe having AIs that are general would be better! (far from certain on this)
I don't know how to keep the pressures of capitalism from driving us into such a pit. It may be that personal AIs somehow help individuals come together and defend their values, but I haven't seen a good case for that. share if you have one!
@s0ulDirect0r having said that, uhhh
@coderintherye you didn't answer my question. is there anything you could imagine observing that would cause you to be worried about AGI risk? would you say that you trust that an AGI would be friendly towards humanity? if so, why do you trust that?
@GASpriggs do you expect to see something that actually seems intelligent, within the next decade or two? how long do you think it'll be? do you think we're on track to be ready for when that happens? how would you know?
Thread · AI risk as capitalism's failure modes 1000x faster · 1 of 9 tweets
It's possible that there's a way and that we just can't see it from here. It's possible that somebody else sees a way (please share!) tho most of the e/acc folks seem to have written "nothing will go wrong" as their bottom line and rationalized everything else on that basis.
@coderintherye I see. are you at all worried about powerful-but-not-general AI?
people making fun of people worried about AI risk (as fearmongerers, grifters, profiteers, luddites.,) have no idea how much we would LOVE to read a tweet or essay that would cause us to confidently realize that humanity's got this and there's nothing to worry about
@patio11 @LizardOrman I got offered a multi-year version once when buying a macbook from bestbuy, and the catch was that you had to pay from a bank balance (not a credit card) and if you missed a single payment then you suddenly owed 29% interest for the whole 2y period
Replying to @GradualReform
@GradualReform I thought it was in this exchange, but I can't seem to find it. Someone recently made a point to me about the potential for decentralized AI tech to put more power in the hands of the people, but ONLY if it moves fast enough that current holders of power can't recapture it.
I really enjoy the recent phenomenon of vocal edits so tight that they're just played like an instrument, & you can't even tell what words were originally being said (or if it even is words!) What are your fav examples? One of mine, by a pioneer in this: youtube.com/watch?v=VGqBGd…
@Cantide1 hmmm... I see what you mean, in terms of like, getting humans out of the loop but still, there'll be economic pressure to automate everything that can be, which will be increasingly much as years go on
Retweeted @utotranslucence
looking through photos of our wedding is sort of like experiencing the wedding again, but from all the angles we could…
@utotranslucence people tried coining "saccoed" after Justine Sacco got fired for an offensive tweet, but it didn't really take off twitter.com/lakarune/statu…
Retweeted @utotranslucence
universal basic hypomania
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
doing shit requires: 1. clarity about what shit you intend to do (or the advanced ability to spontaneously follow a big…
mean.ing is for sale 👀 (it's not cheap)
funny how neologism has graduated from being a neologism but prelogism and protologism are both still... protologisms?
if you're one of the people who bookmarked this tweet, hoping for more, I'd like to introduce you to my spotify playlist called ScatterVox which already has 55 tracks I like that have these super-chopped vocal edits! open.spotify.com/playlist/0eJdO…
I'm honestly not really attempting to advocate for AI concern I think that the concern has caused at least as much: - useless pain and panic - attention towards the exact opposite of what it's trying to do as it has useful results. I'm just publicly being as concerned as I am!
@foomagemindset (I guess I am attempting to advocate for incorporating the concerns into worldmodels, rather than doing what currently seems to me to be blindly racing forward)
@aleksil79 whose awakening? a few individual people working on AI safety? all of humanity? enough of a subset of humanity to broadly guide the rest? maybe @nickcammarata wants to enter the chat here
@aleksil79 as in the problems of capitalism can be ameliorated by having more (artificial) intelligence to throw at stuff? please unpack!
Retweeted @DavidDeutschOxf
An unpublished essay of mine which I eventually transformed into the 'The Evolution of Culture' chapter in 'The Beginn…
@Jediphone @reasonisfun me too! now we can link people directly to it!
@AutistocratMS @DavidDeutschOxf even if that were true, which idek how to evaluate it's completely missing the point of this piece which is that anti-rational memes have been with us for millennia (Deutsch thinks since pre-civilization, me more like 10kya, but regardless, WAY before "Western Society")
I had the fortune to read this hitherto unpublished essay 5y ago, and it has been one of the cornerstones of my thinking about culture & memetic evolution since then. Stoked to finally link it to everybody! 🥳 The Evolution of Culture by David Deutsch
it pairs really nicely with the book The Secret of our Success by @JoHenrich, which emphasizes the effects of cultural evolution on biology (and how biology changed to support cultural evolution) DD's essay shows how memetic evolutionary attractors led to current memeplexes
a ton of the thinking I've been doing about the evolution of consciousness would have been impeded, if not impossible, without DD's powerful model of memetic evolutionary attractors
Retweeted @reasonisfun
One of my all time favourite pieces. If you haven’t read any Deutsch yet, start with this:
@VividVoid_ lol I'm signed up to vote on community notes and someone wants to add a "Well, Actually" note to this one failing to recognize that it's a reframe, not a claim that cannot be refuted by citing a boring-ass pop science site
@RomeoStevens76 What do you think you've really been far even as and why do you think others can do look more like? Are people deciding to use even go want that the community holds as the far even? Who can't do look more like to even want to go so far as?
hmmmm looking at this thread and wondering if indeed children need to learn how to wear masks, but maybe it's possible to play with many different masks, on and off (also I may have critiques of the implied inherent connection between egoistic and childish)
rozzi roomian style
me: cool, essay finished, hit publish, done me moments later, about to post the essay somewhere: ahhhh man I want a pretty preview image malcolmocean.com/2023/12/how-di…
that wrapped when one of your all-time favorite artists puts out his best album in a decade
oh wow! they had Jason Mraz record a lil video message for his top listeners "...or if you see me on the street, come up and say hi. because… it's a weird wild world" insofar as broadcasts are ever talking to the person on the other end, I feel talked to / perspective-taken 😊
also it was perfect timing, as this post concludes with a reference to how the structure of the evolution of culture has resulted in us systematically getting our own knowing-capacity undermined, particularly as kids and DD's essay is the perfect citation
if you haven't already, check out my fav 2023 article it suggests that one dimension of what rites of passage might have been for at one time is something that every toddler in modern civ already has now
@harveykrishna_ @jonathandubin @Morphenius @RomeoStevens76 - super relevant to our recent convos about conflicts between id/ego/superego
Retweeted @harveykrishna_
@jonathandubin it made me think of Reich and character armor… >“Upbringing and schooling lead children to turn against…
Retweeted @OInscendence
Allow others, in grace, to have their own reality. I say reality, not truth, not what you (or I) deem correct or incorrec…
me to Jess: huh, I found someone who says the kind of stuff I'm always on about, but like... poetically.
@the_wilderless @chercher_ai also while some of the people working on a different culture are bottlenecked on money, at scale that's not the bottleneck and there's probably a relatively small amount of money at which the culture itself is just once again the bottleneck
@the_wilderless @chercher_ai I was thinking about the "if absurdly rich" scenario the other day and I'd definitely offer a guaranteed minimum income to dozens of friends working on interesting projects so that they could breathe easier and not worry about legibility in the short run, etc
@JoshuAnansi you might like this piece I just wrote malcolmocean.com/2023/12/how-di…
@AskYatharth ugh don't spread the "animism is normative consciousness" meme. at least not in that phrasing, in which basically every morpheme has the opposite connotation from what it's trying to mean
Retweeted @AskYatharth
don't imagine the ocean. look down at the water you drink. it is going to enter you, and come out as pee. that's animism…
@AskYatharth to be clear, I love your thread and the point you're making. it's amazing, and I'm glad I can now get the point without having to listen to this guy say that dumb catchphrase so many times
Retweeted @aleksil79
if the deepfake is accurate enough for me to care you just let me in. how are your sandboxing skills
@Spencer_Gray @eigenrobot totally informal, but a few people have written up pointers towards it
@Spencer_Gray @eigenrobot I basically only reply to tweets I'm willing to heart, because replying to a tweet is likely to produce another tweet from the same generator
I started writing a reply tweet to some janky news and then reconsidered it, for it would not make the world a better place on any scale to any degree
> Once we said: if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Entanglement says: if you’re not part of the problem, you can’t be part of the solution. ift.tt/68slTKZ
TIL "employee with benefits" is different from "friends with benefits"
@cunha_tristan @prerationalist @eshear NEVER!
good thread critiquing EA from a long-time-EA-turned-former-EA ("effective altruism") haven't read it all myself yet but what I have read is good and in general I know Eli and like his thinking
now that @utotranslucence and I are married we want to set up a joint account somewhere. who's got an american bank they're stoked about?
Replying to @GradualReform
@krishnanrohit @erikphoel evidence seems to me pretty consistent with "both"
pain in my heart observing a lil girl in a grocery store crying the source of her crying: she had taken on cart duty, and mom said "stop pushing, you're slowing us down!"
@utotranslucence schwab fans (@GradualReform, @karma_gardener): do they have good automated systems for like, taking X% of money deposited into an account & automatically moving it into some other account? (not just flat rate!) & custom jars etc for easily distinguishing different savings?
@AISafetyMemes huh, this suggests that one of the main errors the board made was just like, not waiting a few weeks until after this had resolved???
@eshear great point. re #3 tho, important not to confuse normal distribution w cauchy distribution, whose tails are so fat that while it has a sample mean, the mean never converges because outliers are common enough to drag the mean away from the peak in the center
Retweeted @_emergent_
@eshear @Thinkwert One of my personal favorites. Also my Pinned Post. Also a good representation of how I try to solve a lo…
@_emergent_ @eshear @Thinkwert you might like @Nsousanis's book Unflattening, which highlights how this is true even of your own two eyes!
Retweeted @eshear
I like each of these bc they each compress a pretty complex counterargument into a single image that avoids getting lost in the…
@aleksil79 honestly if someone is deepfaking me accurate enough for me to care, their sandboxing is probably pretty good and/or we can work it out
@meekaale I had basically no issues with the HP OfficeJet Pro 8720 for a couple years, printing daily from wifi. It would jam occasionally, as printers do, and then show a useful animation on its lil screen of how to unjam it. amzn.to/47LVJab
bad news @visakanv
@SerializedSam @utotranslucence nice, that seems to be the plan at this point curious: how do you deposit cash? we don't need to do that often but sometimes eg there are things to sell on craigslist. looks like there's a couple ways to do it
Replying to @bobz44
@bobz44 @utotranslucence can you do all your banking here or just saving-type stuff?
@bobz44 @utotranslucence also do they offer automated %-based saving? (relevant since income isn't a consistent number every 2 weeks or every month, so we'd have to lowball fixed monthly savings deposits in order to not have them be too much some months)
@eshear @_emergent_ @Thinkwert also the survivorship bias / airplane one definitely requires more than just the image. once you've seen the context, it hits immediately, but otherwise it's completely meaningless
Retweeted @itinerantfog
with any quality instruction, you forget the words immediately for what they’re pointing to, and act it out eg, “raise y…
@relic_radiation I'm pro just going on a bender on main about a topic while it feels alive because those takes aren't separate from the rest of your perspectives, and the people who follow for A might be into B and vv
Retweeted @webdevMason
My mom started developing some worrying symptoms a week after her booster (Moderna) and landed in the ER a week after that…
@webdevMason super fucked up structurally, the lack of feedback loops also sorry to hear that about your mom ❤️
vibeclipse. are there afterparties (or beforeparties) I should know about? hmu
🎷🎶 oh I want to be in that number 🥁🎵 when the saints come marching in you're good man, it'll obviously be a transcendental number, so everybody's in it
@gpl_writes errors in the bred youtube.com/watch?v=SGDBXt…
Retweeted @aleksil79
"evil cannot comprehend good" has a point but it would be more accurate to say "evil cannot comprehend good and remain evil"
@visakanv consider 100 questions
@visakanv culture/ideaspace makes me think of this article, which is long and the author kind of annoying, but it is grappling at a key point about the "social imaginary" ie the shared (or fragmented) sense of the world we're all in systems-souls-society.com/the-solipsisti…
Retweeted @aleksil79
you are not interior to anyone, your true self is bigger than that. good morning and have an expansive day
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
No matter how wise or realized you are, if your memes are gonna predictably send people into tangles or ruts, people nee…
@premium "no ads in for you or following" look the ads in replies are SO MUCH WORSE because they're COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT so they fuck with my sense of like "hm how does this relate?" whereas if I'm scrolling past random other things then it's less obnoxious
I tried Grok and it's really terrible so far for the 2 queries I tried it on. not worth getting Premium+ for (though there are other reasons to get Premium+, like voting to align your incentives with this platform's, rather than having loopy advertisey incentives)
Thread · A systems theory of unconscious frame control · 1 of 18 tweets
my systems theory of unconscious frame control: conditions: 1. two+ people have sufficiently different experiences of reality 2. one of them desperately wants something from the other (money, sex, approval. can go both ways simultaneously!) 3. they attempt to communicate
May each aspect's apparent resistance to dialogue be seen as it standing for the integrity of what dialogue looks like to it, and not losing that integrity to someone else's idea.
noticing I've taken to calling this platform "this platform" when I want to refer to things that were not true about it when it was simply "twitter", without lending weight to the new name or the idea that its true name has changed
@abhayance now that this platform doesn't preview more than a few lines of quoted tweets (a regression!!) it seems high time to make a standalone version of this:
@abhayance Abhay maybe you want to make a standalone version of this one too: twitter.com/abhayance/stat…
@slimepriestess as in you think I'm bullshitting or just trying to be provocative? interesting! this is legit a tweet-sized sketch of my real model here, although it's missing a few details and there are maybe ways for these 3 conditions to hold and still have frame dialogue instead
meaning, as an interface, is made out of shared context on multiple levels: 🆓🛑 basic semantics: we've seen these words I'm using, used in similar enough ways ✝️👻 shared stories, relationships, richly layered symbols, myths, archetypes, darmok & jalad at tanagra
@slimepriestess working on a thread to unpack the gears, but it's complex and I keep feeling like I need to tweet more building blocks, eg
Thread · A systems theory of unconscious frame control · 3 of 18 tweets
ah! a 4th condition for unconscious frame control: 4. they fail to allow the gulf in realities to exist; they don't have the shameless humility found in recognizing that what they're each seeing is totally true, but not the total truth
let's consider a simple & common example: parents communicating with their kids. let's say with a teenager, about something about living well 1. diff realities because of age & era 2. kid desperate for support, parent for control 3. … 4. rare to have this humility, on both ends
point #1 is super dangerous as an intervention if you haven't already intervened on points 2 or 4 while there's desperation for something, or arrogance about the nature of reality, can't honestly speak or listen or offer a new experience. can't really consent to have one shared.
man it is cramping my style SO MUCH that quoted tweets don't preview in full now this is seriously a regression. @visakanv had a tweet years ago requesting that they do, as part of making meta-threading more powerful. then they did. now they don't :(
Thread · A systems theory of unconscious frame control · 10 of 18 tweets
it's nice to shift out of this desperation, which can sometimes come from a material shift but can also come from widening perspective: "well, I don't need YOU to date me in order to be dateable by someone I want". space to play!
in some sense, a better point of intervention, that may be developmentally a reach for some people but is sort of immediately right here, is this humility: to allow the gulf to exist. to allow that you don't even understand the nature of the gulf!
but maybe I'm getting ahead of myself: WHY do these conditions I've named, lead to unconscious frame control?
frame control is often talked about as a sort of manipulative thing, where the person doing the frame control is consciously yanking others into their frame I'm sure that happens, and maybe it's extra bad, but I think it's sort of an edge case, not the central case
assuming frame control is conscious also leads to mad jank when trying to sincerely sort out whether or not it's happening if you say "you're frame controlling me" and I'm like "nah I'm not, I'm just trying to talk" then we're kinda gaslighting each other (...another bad frame)
at some point I will refactor these ideas into a more wholesome frame, but in the meantime here we are I've played around with a lot of terms. my roam has: - frame battle - frame dialogue - frame dance - frame cave - frame push - frame shear - frame strength - frame override &+
and it seems to me that in some sense frame control goes both ways. it only requires the unallowed gap in realities plus one person having a quality of desperation, for BOTH PEOPLE to experience pressure to warp their frame towards the other person's
but sometimes the power differential is strong enough, whether charisma or money or a social field, that one person consistently "wins" in the sense that their frame/reality overrides the other person's when this happens we often say the person has a Reality Distortion Field
Steve Jobs is ofc the original example of the RDF. here, his unusual sense of reality was a visionary one: "THIS IS POSSIBLE!" his reality yelled, into anyone close enough to hear and people working for him desperately wanted to be working for a visionary, keep their jobs, etc
I'm curious who among Apple employees of those eras had the humility I'm talking about here, and if so, what the impact of that was. and who, if anyone, was able to hold their own view & Jobs's at the same time?
@liminal_warmth edgelord voice is "fun mode"? can you give an example where it found better tweets than you could just by searching?
@4confusedemoji hmmm my sense is "done well" is more about the experience of samesidedness than it is about any particular "way of doing it" (which is related to how almost anything can be misused)
Thread · A systems theory of unconscious frame control · 3 of 18 tweets
what am I trying to get at anyway? that what we call "frame control" is emergent and isn't usually experienced on the inside as an aggressive attempt at steering the frame but as defensive attempts to merely keep one's own reality in view while talking
if you can recognize "damn these views are far apart" and just let them be far apart while talking, it's WAY easier for each person to keep their own reality in view while slowly making their way towards each other, where that's possible
one of the things this model has given me is compassion for people who have really weird experiences of reality, since merely trying to engage in "ordinary" conversation leads to them and others feeling what could be called "frame control"
@GASpriggs uhhh good or bad in what sense? it usually leads to layering. it can, simultaneously, sometimes lead to positive outcomes, like the invention of the iPhone at some cost to peoples' marriages and/or stress-related chronic health
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
one of the things this model has given me is compassion for people who have really weird experiences of reality, since m…
Thread · A systems theory of unconscious frame control · 1 of 18 tweets
my thread on blindspot feedback says a lot of what I'm trying to say with this thread, and better:
@strangestloop > sometimes i wish two tweets could have a conversation that feels like precisely what a twitter-based LLM should be for
@4confusedemoji part of the thing I keep trying to say is that you can't actually know a priori that "I am actually on your side". you can know that you'd like to be (as far as you can consciously tell, given what you know) in some sense there is no "I am". only "whether I am perceived as (by)"
@visakanv goals!
@visakanv we are so far from what's possible. how much would you pay me to build a wordpress plugin that lets you do this? (we'd talk exact design spec first and as we go ofc)
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If you find yourself thinking "human emotion is a useful but flawed attempt to capture decision theory" instead of "de…
@RokoMijic @benlandautaylor haha what B: "if you find yourself thinking X!Y, consider Y!X" R: "you're wrong. X!Y" as if B hadn't literally highlighted that he had considered that option
@michael_nielsen @utotranslucence this thing about bureaucracy is relevant to your interests on a couple levels
@hdevalence @softminus yeah this was my sense to. "always follows you no matter what" whereas maybe usually in military aviation wingmen have more of a symmetric relationship?
@VividVoid_ holy shit, really looks like you!
Retweeted @HephaistosF
@Malcolm_Ocean @Malcolm_Ocean there is a deeper realization than "other ppl ACTUALLY THINK different things than me": "Th…
@slimepriestess definitely related I feel like experiential differences are kinda deeper than inferential distances so some disagreements kinda can't be bridged by argument, because they amount to "looks different from over here". so you gotta actually locate the "over here" & maybe come look
@GASpriggs lots of people say "frame control is bad". I don't... disagree with that, but I see it as more of a concerning symptom than a root cause, if you see what I mean
@aleksil79 as in they tried scapegoating the martyrs and the martyrs were like "ha, sucker, now I've got you" like the Tanner from One Night Ultimate Werewolf?
@enzikaofash @SerializedSam @utotranslucence fyeah, nice
@AskYatharth yeah it made me completely unable to take that guy seriously like it would be one thing if he just uttered the phrase once as a throwaway, but he like... devotes himself to it! he repeats it so many times!!
@relic_radiation @AskYatharth no no, repeating a phrase is great! the phrase is just extremely bad. and in particular, that phrase was bad for repeating, because the trance it was trying to take me into was afaict in the OPPOSITE direction of animacy-primacy (which is how I might put it)
@relic_radiation @AskYatharth "animacy is primal consciousness" play on words here with "primal" but it'll be lost on most and probably miss the point "primitive"? "primary"? I like the word "primacy". "prior"? "foundational"?
@relic_radiation @AskYatharth I think he is/was actually confused, also, like he DID seem to be trying to make a commonness-to-normativity argument, which again: opposite direction from early consciousness, which was (as far as I can tell from what I've stared at) profoundly non-normative & non-argumentative
@QiaochuYuan @nvpkp a very brief looking-into-it yields that it's just the cost of the domain itself ($10-20/yr usually) and a $50 up-front to substck not really big money if you care about your writing getting seen on twitter
@EmilMieilica I don't see AGI as particularly imminent (I'm pretty confused about that tbh, but could be 5-30 years) but I do see us as utterly unprepared for it (I'm also confused about whether to be more worried about AGI vs powerful narrow AI, at this point)
@aleksil79 @RomeoStevens76 happy to have given you a tiny hopefully-safe experience of doubting your sanity :) I was trying to translate the quoted tweet into "even as far as want to look more like" anti-syntax
@aleksil79 and so if AI let us get more human touch where it's needed, then it could let us heal things huh, yeah, seems possible blahaah so many tracks
@GASpriggs yeah totally. I'm honestly confused at this point about whether I'm more worried about AGI vs superpowered narrow AI
@aleksil79 @phantom_opus yeah, insofar as I'm not worried, it feels much like this it is relieving for now to have our huge AI advances in utterly non-agentic next-token predictors not in something loopier
Replying to @nathanwaters
@nathanwaters yeah I'm coming around to this as well tbh
Replying to @GradualReform
@GradualReform looking forward to it! DM me so I don't miss it :) (I'm super intermittent on checking twitter notifs)
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@aptlyamphoteric ugh, yep
@b_subercaseaux hmm, I like the concreteness but your answer needs another element to be full. let's assume that at some point we DO get AIs that do both of those things. what needs to have happened BEFORE then for you to not be at all worried then? (and how soon do you think that'll happen?)
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I'll be coaching at these workshops again this year! Dec 30/31 & Jan 6/7 Feels good to be revamping the content and fr…
@AbstractFairy but then I also have to name all the playlists in ways that clearly don't overlap and since I have like 100 playlists, that I use for tagging, not actual ordered lists... this is hard
"you don't have to go home but you can't stay here" is not coercion
@RichDecibels @not_a_hot_girl kicking out of the nest isn't coercion in the technical definition I use it (although I can see how someone would see this)
having to figure out how to feed yourself, in order to be fed isn't coercion
@RichDecibels @not_a_hot_girl yeah, having to work for a living isn't per se coercion (although it can be exploited to coerce someone, by a boss or a government or a rich friend or partner)
@RichDecibels @not_a_hot_girl my technical definition, as a tweetthread:
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@RichDecibels @visakanv @not_a_hot_girl whereas i read this tweet as like "hey. what if you trusted pushes, in general, mo…
@slimepriestess @RichDecibels @QiaochuYuan @visakanv @not_a_hot_girl I think this might be the error that the people he's trying to call out are making, though "avoiding coercion", vs "listening to myself and leading compassionately & wisely" or something
they coined it but didn't explore it very much I've done most of the legwork since leaving, figuring out how it needs to work. my writing on Non-Naive Trust-Dancing vibes a lot with these themes of needing to develop trust, not just "do it"
I've even gotten to the point where I find various kinds of magic pretty legit (forms that don't violate our current understandings from physics, but are about as well-explained by physics as falling in love is) and astrology still seems like the bullshittiest bullshit
fuck, this is the best Pagliacci of all Time
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@HephaistosF yeah, first 3 lines are oppression add the fourth and you've got a double-bind
@AskYatharth @HephaistosF looks like Light in the Box but I haven't found the shirt itself yet lightinthebox.com/en/p/men-s-shi…
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ok thought experiment/ reflection assume that nothing about you needs to change. you are exactly good as you are what wou…
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any "societal change" is necessarily an energetic (thus revolutionary) restructuring in the relative relations between lo…
@mimi10v3 there are like a dozen "depends" I would attach to this, based on what you mean by each word ("community"?) but the most important thing I will say is simply that trust isn't, in general, transitive, & not to try to force yourself to trust when you don't
@mimi10v3 but, correspondingly, also not to try to force others to distrust when they do trust! ideally you can mutually recognize that you have a difference of experience, and allow those both to be there, as two eyes look at the same scene with different views
@mimi10v3 pressuring trust/distrust is a different dimension than making agreements about what to do about it, which you can negotiate without having to figure out "what's so" just like you don't need a referendum on Which Cuisine Is Best For All Time to pick a resto that works for all
@mimi10v3 idk if by "irrational" you're intending to imply "miscalibrated" or simply "not made of reasons" but in general there are reasons for everything even if conscious-you doesn't know what they are and can't communicate them
yo @JakeOrthwein I'm talking to @NoPranablem and he says you're super on about joint attention and attachment theory and god these days, which has me thinking it's ripe for you & me to talk soon!
pastor: "one touch from God can change everything" me: yeah seems right pastor: "one touch from God can change anything" me: well I wouldn't go that far
when I read the Snake Cult article back in April I was like "wow this is gonna be the coolest thing written in 2023" and so far it seems I was right 3 more weeks for something to top it tho!
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Retweeted @selentelechia
you are an animal and you are a soul and if you let them, they will dance beautifully together
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@selentelechia my first year at burning man, the guys at the camp next to me kept yelling out "SAFETY THIRD" and I really appreciated that
@visakanv sounds like the thing to do is to have a call to understand what you need, then I do some research on what's possible in the context of wordpress plugins
@BorisBartlog yeah if you take it a few steps further you basically wind up at The Egg by Andy Weir galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_…
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@xuenay @paul__is__here @the_wilderless The laws of physics only say things about some phenomenon only insofar as that…
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
there is simply no such thing as "length" in the absence of a context in which you're trying to perform a task. all abstra…
and they'd say "hang on that's too many quarters!" and I'd say "ahh but there's overlap"
people would ask "What is Systems Design Engineering?" and I'd say "well it's an interdisciplinary program... basically: - 1/4 mech engineering - 1/4 elec eng - 1/4 industrial eng - 1/4 software eng - 1/4 systems theory - 1/4 design..."
@relic_radiation extremely here for "half X, half Y, half Z, half W"
@tunguz gotta enjoy the remix youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5…
@neats29 1. those are heuristics, not facts 2. there's a difference between being involved & being responsible 3. we don't need specific other people to help us with fulfilling those needs; we need help from someone but there's a negotiation/dance of markets & relationships as to who
Retweeted @neats29
what do you think about the two seemingly contradictory ideas that a) everyone is responsible for their own needs and b) we…
@neats29 concretely, the heating co isn't responsible for ensuring that in each moment I'm warm enough they're responsible for keeping my furnace working (as long as I pay the bills) but I'm responsible for noticing I'm too cold and setting the thermostat (or just putting on a sweater)
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
PSA: "etc" can be abbreviated as follows: ,. = etc. ., = etc, this comes from Alfred Korzybski's Science & Sanity / Ge…
@m_ashcroft @neats29 oooh interesting! what are the implications of each model? seems like they would have different incentives in terms of efficiency, competition, and other parameters
@neats29 or refactor: a) each whole (person, group.,) is responsible for its own needs & relevant needs of its parts b) no whole is responsible for any adjacent whole's needs c) parts can support wholes they're in, to meet: - the part's own needs - other parts' needs - needs of the whole
Replying to @jonas_hellman
@jonas_hellman there's one in the following tweet:
@jonas_hellman but also almost any of these tweets could have their "etc" replaced by this particular punctuation twitter.com/search?q=etc&p…
you can swap ".," in for any "etc," but it's particularly helpful when you want multiple such words, phrases., in one sentence, paragraph., so as to inhabit a voice that is open-ended, expansive, tangible., rather than definite, exhaustive, categorical,. twitter.com/jonas_hellman/…
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
you can swap ".," in for any "etc," but it's particularly helpful when you want multiple such words, phrases., in one se…
@vibecamp_ The Arena The Void The Edge The Frontier The Station The Hub The Collider
@mayfer it's transcribing audio? or...
Replying to @jonas_hellman
@jonas_hellman I'm here to have conversations, not to broadcast into the void! your response encouraged me to improve what I was trying to say in the first place
@jonas_hellman part of what's fun about talking in public is if you have a sincere curiosity that draws out someone's thinking, it gets shared with everybody, not just you curious on behalf of the world
there's a conception of socialization as "enforce enough pressure to create a Standard Issue Interface With The Social World and people will figure out a way" ...they sorta do! but the interfaces created are super buggy & require ever-more patching, & it's way harder for neurodv
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia this is understandable given their conception of socialization
Retweeted @RomeoStevens76
>Teach how to get in touch with me >Leave >After a while calls trickle down to almost zero >Come back >People have star…
@selentelechia which is not to say that conception is socialization isn't batshit insane in more general ways my point is that there's no special-casing happening here (which is part of the issue, but yeah)
@selentelechia in this way, conservativism fails to go sufficiently meta and recognize that some of the means by which its methods have been working the whole time (insofar as they have) may no longer be active
Thread · Economics of making money doing what feels alive · 22 of 30 tweets
thinking out loud about the economics of making money doing what feels alive and meaningful coaching, running events, app dev, books, music, research grants re myself as a case study and also others
I've been making most of my money the last few years from: - subscription revenue for the intend.do app (~$50k/y) - ticket sales & PWYW payments for the online GCI etc workshops (~$15k/y) and a few thousand dollars a year from a couple 1-on-1 coaching clients
for the last few years I've been trying to get myself motivated to work a bunch more on growing intend.do, despite various forms of resistance, that I've worked through recently I've been grappling with fear that I just don't wanna
this would be scary because it would mean not having as much money as I'd like (esp to raise kids in the coming years) or finding a different solution to making more money which feels like starting over, stepping into big unknown
"making more money" continues to simultaneously motivate me and repel me as a lens
sometimes I have really impactful conversations with people, which I really enjoy. in some fraction of cases, those convos are facilitated by them paying me money to focus on what's alive for them so I made these buttons:
and I broadly have the sense that most of the people I interact with have some skills/perspectives that would make it worth it for some people to pay them to talk this is in part a matching problem
but as I wrote in this thread, until/unless we're growing our own food and building our own furniture & computers, our smol economy of weirdos needs to export into the wider economy
to some extent this happens because the people who pay for coaching, workshops, substacks, etc... ...have their own jobs, or are themselves running a business.
anyway, as often happens when I think out loud, I am becoming aware of some anxiety I'm dancing around the edge of kinda like this
here it's........ ahh it's the part of me that doesn't want to be like Ramit Sethi ah man that's a whole story I don't trust salespeople, and I don't trust myself to sell. I don't trust salespeople not to pull the wool over people's eyes.
okay, so there's this loop here I guess I don't trust people not to have the wool pulled over their own eyes if I try to sell them stuff, and to then resent me for it in part because of my own experience of being the guy in the other role
can I forgive Ramit? graghtgh apparently not quite yet. like I don't want to.
can I forgive myself, for buying his stupid courses? hmmm... it's kinda the same part of me that optimistically thought I could finish cleaning my room in 10minutes yesterday even though it took 1.5h some sort of wishful thinking, "this will TOTALLY pay for itself"
which gets back to some of the thinking I've been doing around coaching, and whether coaching pays for itself in some cases obviously yes, like a salary negotiation coach or a sales coach in other cases even if it's a huge win, it doesn't pay back in dollars for a long time
one of the types of marketing/selling I've been wary of doing is promising anybody anything like I've done little bits of it here and there, but I'm wary of being like "if you buy my/our thing, then you'll get this outcome X" like man I don't fucking know what outcome you'll get
then there's like, focusing on your thing, not the outcome, but still as The Answer a friend of mine recently started making posts on facebook that begin with some hook, tell a captivating story, then end with stuff like this and I'm just like 🤮 it's so hooky
here's the trap: people have magic. each soul has magic, and each person has a soul, and that magic can heal and transform each other when their attention is brought to bear on a relevant situation and the magic dies when made into a modality or sold as a solution
because the magic is made out of the way that the person relates to the unknown, not to the known
this is not to say that packaged dead magic can't be fucking useful—it absolutely can my mind has been blown by more books and tweets than I can count. designed objects are a kind of packaged magic.
I know some people who are inspired by Perri Chase's work, and she talks about Magic Led Business and my gloss of the whole premise is that you put a taste of your magic out there and then see who bites, and all you promise them is more contact with your magic
which sounds great, but either I'm confused or there's some hypocrisy going on (maybe both) because this google search result is definitely promising something quite specific: "create six figures"
@m_ashcroft @neats29 right, yeah the "somehow" is tough because then that puts a bunch of bullshitward pressure on whoever gets to define the standard of quality
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia yeah. once we can get spreadable seed cultures that operate visibly sanely and are able to intake some % of newcomers while retaining their new-culture properties then at a certain scale maybe people will be able to tell the difference?
@selentelechia but currently it's all inscrutable illegible magic
@reddy2go @visakanv @RichDecibels randomly came across this a year later and I'm down haha public honesty feels like a cool theme. maybe we get @QiaochuYuan in the convo. he's an inspiration for me there
Thread · Economics of making money doing what feels alive · 1 of 30 tweets
I'm thinking about that quote about long/fat tails and about how if you're not offering the world a way for someone to spend $1k or $10k on an appropriately-sized offering, you're leaving money on the table my current interfaces are pretty small-scale.
I keep having this feeling of wanting to take a step back to get a wider view but accompanied by a fear that either there is no "further back" or that if I did step further back I'd fall off a cliff
I think there's something accurate about this: there's no way to step outside of your life to look at your life but there are things that are more or less like this. obviously being lost in the weeds of a tiny subproblem is different than journalling offline on a mountaintop
but also maybe this is fucking fine? like the stepping back NEEDS to happen in relation to my actual life, not in some abstract outer space conceptual hypothetical
tempted to set up a mirror in my room opposite my desk, so I can watch my metaphorical backhand while I work at my laptop
aha! all I had to do was twist the existing large mirror slightly.
I'm setting this up. I want to try seeing the guy in the mirror from the outside, getting curious about what he's doing, what kind of life he thinks he's living (and then bridge that back to my own first person experience)
Thread · Economics of making money doing what feels alive · 1 of 30 tweets
there's a kind of whiny energy that's like "but I don't wanna making a larger-scale offering" okay. well, I don't have to. I'm free to leave money on the table. (or maybe it's glued down anyway! maybe not, but maybe)
@visakanv the vibe of this thread reminds me of you even separately from the part where you just became a dad
Thread · Economics of making money doing what feels alive · 4 of 30 tweets
some sort of following yesses thing here to do
but I think part of what's confusing me so much is that there are a bunch of adjacent things to what I want to do that would be SO YES but: a) there's a bunch of other little stuff I'd have to do to make it possible b) I don't know if, having done that work, I'd see results
this is true both in relation to a bunch of coaching-ish stuff I would be excited to do but am maybe not sure if I want to set up more affordances for people to schedule than the buttons on this page: malcolmocean.com/coaching-advic…
and also in relation to eg growing Intend it's been hard for me to let go of the idea of growing it because it feels like there's gotta be a lil thing I could do that would 1.5x or 2x it but @bjtoomey pointed out to me that "finding what the lil thing is" IS the work
Thread · Three buttons: what I offer 1-on-1, from trust-dancing to interface design · 8 of 9 tweets
Trust-dancing facilitation ~= conflict mediation. I can work with you 1-on-1 to help you orient to a situation with some distrust or betrayal, or I can work live with a pair or group to notice where the collective trust-dance is getting stuck by trying to skip steps. This is relevant to communities, company dynamics, families, friends, and spiritual teacher-student relationships. I'd be particularly keen to mediate in teacher-student stuff, which seems like a good application for my NNTD framework and ideas I've been developing on co-gnosis.
Mating-dance consulting. This is a specific application of trust-dancing to the process of falling in love. The basic premise is that there’s a process you can go through that, if it succeeds, will cause someone to feel like a life partner, but if your commitment exceeds where you are in the process, then things will feel off. I can help you sort out muddles and tangles there. Again, this can be 1-on-1, helping you look at something you don't even know how or whether to talk to your partner about, or it could be working with both of you together, to make contact in a place where your current attempts keep talking past each other.
Internal Trust-Dancing This is a partswork technique I created based on my non-naive trust-dance framework. It’s especially meta and frame-aware and can be useful if you’ve developed resistance to other partswork techniques because some parts of you have been using them to control other parts of you. It's about welcoming whatever's arising, including and especially complaints about the process and/or your/our ability to welcome whatever's arising.
Bio-Emotive or Coherence work, neither of which I’m certified in but both of which I have a fair bit of training in and experience in facilitating, and feel I understand their core magic enough to give someone a taste. (You can't certify magic anyway.)
Workflow or lifestyle design. For instance, helping you visualize your ideal day and set up systems to make those kinds of days happen more readily. I've done a ton of experiments myself, and am pretty good at finding ways to modify tools & systems to support new vibes.
Interface design feedback, whether at early stages (metaphor design) or if you’ve built a prototype and you want me to play with it and use my perspective-taking skills to ask my hallmark cheeky question: “but what if it were good tho?”
Deepening insights based on my writing or videos. If my work has been transformative for you, & you feel it could go further, we can talk directly to explore how it applies to your situation and how you can integrate it with everything else you know.
“How do I plug into the global superorganism?” If you’ve read my 100× vision or otherwise been inspired by my thinking on these topics, we can muse on how your magic might manifest the meta-protocol…
just went and made this a thread listing a bunch of the kinds of magic that you might want to hire me for
Retweeted @AskYatharth
>because the magic is made out of the way that the person relates to the unknown, not to the known
@mayfer ah that makes more sense. idk what about it made me guess it was transcribing, given that it's clearly an LLM-related thing
@paulg also having more friendly, open-minded., people say obvious but controversial things makes it harder for fringe, extremist., groups to capture people by being the only ones to acknowledge obvious things denied by mainstream worldviews!
Replying to @alexishelping
@alexislearning yeah we're not neurotic about streaks... it's about continuity of reflection not about forcing you to spend a chunk of every single day using our app
@giray_arat @monofrogue no crowd because I am he and you are she and we are Pagliacci
first was "have fun" and second was "BUDDYYYY!!"
@robertskmiles @benlandautaylor really important to distinguish the theory of decision theory from the underlying dynamics (that any theory is one take / approximation of / line of inquiry into) humans are older than "physics" but physics is older than humans
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@RomeoStevens76 What do you think you've really been far even as and why do you think others can do look more like? Are…
@GASpriggs if you're trying to persuade, in the sense of "rather than trying to dialogue and find out what makes the most sense" then I would say that yes, frame control is required and... I mostly don't go around calling things "bad", but uhh let's say this will create karmic tangles.
@Liber_Rex I like your tweet more than the quoted thread
Thread · Economics of making money doing what feels alive · 2 of 30 tweets
anyway, if there's a limit to how much the answer is "slow down more and listen to yourself more" I haven't found it and it seems that for me I'm going to go through it to the other side one way or another so I might as well not dilly-dally
so imma go listen if you want some of my magic (/ relationship to the unknown) to be pointed at your life situation, I am currently selling tickets to workshops where that can happen click & have a look and see what you think, sign up if it resonates intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
I am a soul encountering the unknown
I am the unknown encountering the unknown
I am the known encountering the unknown
I am the unknown encountering the known
the known cannot encounter the known
new theory: you get a song stuck in your head when you haven't listened to it thoroughly enough, with your full attention so putting it on in the background will be kinda nice but won't really lay it to rest devote yourself to it jump back a bit if you gloss over a section
@Metta_Jedi sometimes
@QiaochuYuan two people arguing symmetrically, with arm raised threateningly. behind each of them is their shadow on the wall
how long does this take to pay for itself in increased fuel efficiency?
@chercher_ai depends on the category and on what counts as an awakening experience but a fair number
@immad @Julian my youtube has a fair bit of intellectual stuff on it! talks, podcasts, etc
@immad I like "what questions have been on your mind lately?" also "what's something you care more about now than you did a year ago?" (there are a few ways to rephrase this, but it gets at their current growth arc)
@EthanReeder Ideal Parent Figure protocol or equivalent might be helpful, but you just went to a Dustin Diperna retreat iirc, lineage holder of Dan Brown, inventor of that thing so 🤷♀️
@JeffLadish basically "yeah, we have the abstract infinite version of those problems... but more pressingly, we also have the concrete pragmatic version of those problems"
the right pronoun for God isn't He it's We
> Math — REAL math — is the sacred art of relating to truth on your own terms, free of illusions and confusion and social pressure. from this excellent article by @Morphenius on the relationship of math & gnosis patreon.com/posts/wise-kno…
@eshear nice! you might dig this article:
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working on achieving enlightenment but via math instead of sitting for a long time or getting hit in the head with a stick
@nominalthoughts if I can verify what generates the supposed 45% chance, then I take that (and maybe sell it to someone who is willing to take the risk, for 5-10M) if I can't, I take the guaranteed amount so I have the moral right to punch the guy if he doesn't pay.
@NoncanonicAleae 😤🫸 formal logic 😊👉 formless logic
heard a christmas song mashup the other day, that was like 1-2 lines from every christmas song and I gotta say it is so weird & implausible that "christ is born the newborn king" and "santa claus is coming to town" together form the same cinematic universe
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My favorite way of putting this: DEI constitutes a "shadow curriculum of student affairs". Great article and very wroth r…
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I had a lot of trouble with the process of "setting an intention to do X" until I realized I could append "...in a way t…
> A crucial feature of anything that can reasonably be called a mind is that “something’s got to be going on in there”. extremely here for this style of writing in scientific papers
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Who in my network is homeschooling or unschooling their kids? 📚 Comment with the age of your kids & method 👇
two types of shoulding: - "I should" when what you actually mean is "I want to" - "I should" when what you actually mean is "I don't want to but I feel some sense of obligation"
oops, I've been confusing the pain of not being able to do something I want to be able to do, with the pain of "I did something wrong"
the atomic bomb should actually be called the "tomic bomb"
@moneyscarf hm?
@4confusedemoji Nate's? they're good although they still contain some graspy something rather than the vibe I'm going for which is a kind of ecstatic wonder and delight mindingourway.com/guilt/
@AbstractFairy nah, enlightened selfishness is great doing something for any reason other than "I want to" is being cucked (and also, most people want to help each other and be kind, and uphold commitments, lots of the time)
@jackinlondon it's "I want it to be done" + "I don't want to do it myself" [and some part of me genuinely thinks I shouldn't have to, or that the problem would go away if I ignored it, or whatever] see youtube.com/watch?v=Tr4exO…
@lulu_on_a_path yep totally but sometimes the sense of obligation is fake and you can actually just simply not do the thing (and always you can just not do the thing and accept the consequences, though sometimes this is an absurdly bad idea to the point of laughable)
Replying to @SlowwCo
@SlowwCo common misconception my will is indeed not separate from God's, but it does exist it's part of God's
@DaraTheExplaara yep, most of how I learned to code was building the app that now pays my bills like I had coded before but there were tons of things I just didn't do til I needed them for my business
@visakanv lol idk if this would work but you could literally just paste the link to your book and be like "cool it's right here if you wanna buy" but maybe this is actually an opener trying to get you to buy their product that markets digital products or some shit
@visakanv I like watching you be you
@visakanv came across this earlier example you tweeted while searching for something else:
@visakanv imagining you putting basically that into a textexpander so you can send it one-shot "sorry you're not supposed to buy my book til you've read more of my tweets and blogposts and figured out how to send better texts. good luck!" < some reply game tweet here >
@visakanv @nat_sharpe_ may have thoughts also this post of mine may help malcolmocean.com/2015/11/just-d…
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turns out at least 99% of my pain is the former (jury still out on whether the latter really exists at all)
@nosilverv the "steroids" they're investigating here are testosterone, also, afaict, not some absurdly potent synthetic thing that isn't naturally in a human body!
@Mellow_Mizz not quite it, but Martin Hellman (of Diffie-Hellman key exchange) and his wife Dorothie wrote a book about connections between marital conflict resolution and world peace (they worked in nuclear disarmament) amzn.to/4apWqYA
@Aella_Girl true re many dismal ones, but bad metaphor: there's no such thing as a packaged for-sale marriage product—they're all home-made (tho weddings and "the concept of marriage" are widely available in mass-produced form from retail outlets and corporations)
@4confusedemoji @Morphenius and I are working on a more wholesome meme here, and making good progress ("original spin". this is one articulation of it)
the "Beyond Goals" in the new name for our workshop can be seen 2 ways: 1. a life-orientation that isn't goal-based but still intentional, purposeful 2. you've achieved some goals... now what? what comes next? what's beyond? what's (your) life all about?
@4confusedemoji hmm, say more?
oh, sure! but do they feel particularly connected to you? they're both a lil martyr'y, but in verrrrry different ways
@FN21995 @AskYatharth cigarette companies spent decades lobbying and making up studies to support the idea that smoking was not just harmless but healthy
@FN21995 @AskYatharth sorry, I missed your point I thought you meant something about what cigarette companies were in the first place I'm all for replacing cigarettes with vapes insofar as that makes existing addictions less health-costly but the kid-targeted marketing etc was jank
holy shit that clip is the most bullshit bullshit of all bullshit, wow "honestly, I've never met anyone like you" HONESTLY, you don't know the meaning of the world "honestly", and you've never met a single fucking person in your fucking not-a-life
enjoyment and healing are much more closely related than people realize as long as you can tell the difference between - reciprocal opening (meaning) - reciprocal narrowing (addiction)
but if you can't tell the difference, then maybe the next thing you need to do is learn the difference, by experiencing addiction firsthand so since you probably won't get stuck down there forever, it's fine to just explore WAY more pleasure & delight, because you want it
Thread · Flirty AIs designed for learning instead of addiction · 16 of 17 tweets
what if we flirty AIs but good tho? instead of being obviously empty addiction (which is what soulless capitalists are currently building 🤮) it would be meaningful, a context for learning and development
there are a few different kinds of learning that flirty AIs could support: 1. how to not become dumb when looking at a pretty face 😳 2. what are my insecurities and can I become playful about them? 😅 3. clarity & encouragement on "what do I actually want in a relationship?" 😍
1. how to not become dumb when looking at a pretty face 😳 to some extent the current addictive bullshitting flirty AIs will help with this, but they'll be TOO easy to talk to. they won't reject you. pretty real ppl will. maybe the bots should as well. there's always more
a learning-oriented flirty AI system could have lots of gals to talk to, maybe with different modes of how likely they are to reject you, and also how kindly so first you can learn a kind no, then you can learn a cold no, then a mean no. maybe a bro AI pats your back in-between
but also like, these flirty AIs could also just sometimes be mean or boring or refuse to talk about what you're interested in, and you'd have to learn to reject THEM! and I think there'd be something empowering about learning to basically set boundaries and be like "f this"
2. what are my insecurities and can I become playful about them? 😅 for many people, it's very attractive when someone can take some teasing—even about something they're a bit nervous about—and respond playfully "heh, yeah, I have a big nose… all the better to 💢 your ‼️ with"
insofar as these are essentially video games, the difficulty could scale up & down based on what the person's ready for I bet there's a way to kinda show people how to banter! like you can't train sass, but you can play with it enough to become open to it
at the same time, it's also really important to be able to (once you know someone a bunch) be able to say "hey, I can take a joke, but that stung." maybe that could also be a learning mode!
it's false to say that an AI companion is as bad a substitute for a real partner as a menu is for food ...but barely. you won't literally die, but it's a cruel joke on your animal body which wants to fall in love with, lay next to, and have a family with a person, not FlirtCorp
so: 3. clarity on "what do I actually want in a relationship?" 😍 a wholesome flirty AI would help you figure out what you want, & how to get it. she'd tease you with your own attraction to her, while reminding you that she's just pixels on a screen & you want real love
part of that is physical attraction (which the bullshit addictive apps are happy to let you customize already) but are there other parts this could get you clarity on? my guess is... somewhat. but not: - embodied co-regulation - random idiosyncrasies - ineffable soul magic
but maaaaaaybe one way to approach this would be to try to get a sense of different peoples' vibe who use the app, and then actually match them up with each other based on which other real users best fit the negative space that the flirty AI embodies to meet other users!
but also, the flirty AI could ask questions, and could encourage the person to honor their own preferences and not just automatically change to fit. like "damn king you really care about your partner dancing! I don't really dance (I'm an AI lol). go learn salsa!"
I'm not sure what you'd have to do with the business model to make that profitable. it's hard to have future payouts based on successful relationships (though some high-end dating sites have tried)
this "what if it were good tho" brought to you by me seeing a company proudly launch a new flirty AI that is so full of shit it makes Trump look honest 😩
if you want more "what if X but good tho?", there's a a few linked on whatifitweregoodtho.com, and literally a hundred in this thread:
@visakanv visa does a chronologue tweet malcolm does a what if but good tho
@andyohlbaum @digiaiapp I have made a thread about a wholesome vision for flirty AIs:
@AskYatharth my riff:
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
exciting news! the team behind the Goal-Crafting Intensives has reworked a bunch of our material to create the Beyond Go…
since animism is coming back in vogue (tho animacy is a better word for the real thing) twitter.com/chaosprime/sta…
@casajarm @andy_matuschak yeah that's kinda what I was thinking! I guess I didn't quite name that as such, but that's the vibe
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I do wonder if there's an anti-moloch move where highly capable and ethically minded capitalists seek out these human trap…
@JohnGal43951639 what do you mean? I don't need to use it to know it's disgusting based on a tiny preview and I'm not being contrarian, I'm talking about the world I want to live in and the kinds of stuff I want to see
@evitable_cnflct I think there's a diff between "flirty" and "romance" like I agree that if someone wants to bullshit themselves into thinking the flirtbot is a companion, then the bot kinda needs to go along with that bullshit but also flirting is fun without that; training can be enjoyable
@parconley yeah it's hard, especially since development generally happens in the context of real conflict between people who matter whereas these bots.... they may pretend to have a sense of mattering, but it's all kinda fake
> "no pain no gain" is sometimes true, > but secretly what people believe in is "more pain more gain"
@GrimGriz @vervaeke_john @vstrots1 the id is the arbiter of valuation what feels good to the animal body (which for humans includes transcendence) the ego is the interface between id & superego it can be defending id against superego, or assaulting id on behalf of superego the superego is all social expectations
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@GrimGriz @vervaeke_john @vstrots1 the id is the arbiter of valuation what feels good to the animal body (which for huma…
@WillBamberg haha yeah I got it from John Vervaeke, somewhere in episodes 5-15 of awakening from the meaning crisis, although I think he may have got it somewhere else
@BlackForestBoi named after Richard Mabbutt apparently thedrive.com/news/42960/dic…
Replying to @not_nothingmuch
@not_nothingmuch you might enjoy the new rap in this cover same.energy youtube.com/watch?v=SOUwxa…
@al_gbr_el @guilaugustin @utotranslucence @entirelyuseles I don't see any clear sense of that here
huh, interesting. my working memory is above avg, pretty sure... but I may have attention dysregulation wonder if this explains why I kinda resonate with ADHD but also not
it's been such a relief to stop thinking of myself or anybody as white arguably one reason whiteness isn't used below is that it's a concept that was made for racism (saying "students of european descent" is not) but its conspicuous absence below is even worse twitter.com/DrJordanBCoope…
here's my thread on how calling anybody white is perpetuating racism (because the concept of whiteness makes no sense without racism)
calling anybody "white" supports racist worldviews send tweet
@utotranslucence @__drewface yessssss
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hey who wants to be in a group chat for soulful physics of money? like, I’ve noticed 1. money clearly pools in some…
@relic_radiation @__drewface oooh yeah, also interested
@lemonaut1 ideaflow.io? looks cool but I need more of a pitch to quite want to sign up0
@LaurenzHemmen @not_a_hot_girl @devonzuegel yeah, and some friends and I made usespacetime.com which lets you plug city location into your google calendar in a way that can be displayed at different detail levels but it would still be a gamechanger to have it right in gmaps
@DoroisDoro idk but tpot isn't real
"the self-consciousness of separation" I'm increasingly seeing it as rather the separation of self-consciousness
Thread · The coaching channel: personalized coaching at scale · 6 of 11 tweets
the magic of the "coaching channel" ❤️🔥 how we do personalized coaching at scale in a way that's sometimes even better than 1-on-1 coaching
at our workshops (formerly "Goal-Crafting Intensives", currently called Beyond Goals) we give each participant a private slack channel that has 8-12 coaches in it so already it's like: okay, not just one perspective on what's going on for me, but a dozen!
of course, this isn't like... an intervention. you're not getting the full nonstop attention of all dozen coaches (whew!) (we aim for a ratio of one coach per 4-5 participants)
but this is okay. in fact, it's kinda good! you can go through the exercises and think through stuff at your own pace, whether in your private journal or "out loud" in the slack channel you can pause to let an insight sink in
and then if you get stuck, or you want a different viewpoint or encouragement or whatever, the coaches are right there! but if you already know what to do, then we won't get in your way:
since you're on twitter, you probably know both the power of thinking out loud in text form, and the value of having a few people respond with suggestions or reframes or just a "YES!" this is an opportunity to do that in a more focused, private context
"modalities are fake. magic is real." — @bjtoomey
Thread · The coaching channel: personalized coaching at scale · 3 of 11 tweets
it would suck if you had to DM the coaches individually and ask them things 👎👎 but instead it's self-organizing. you can ping specific coaches, but we also circle around looking for where our skills/experience/wisdom is most needed 👀😮
to be clear, coaches don't just chime in with our thoughts! we sometimes focus in on one participant's situation for awhile, and walk them through partswork or another introspection process, usually in a side-thread here's a published example: malcolmocean.com/2021/07/intern…
we cover a wide range of topics & abstraction levels: - designing workflows / digital feng shui - troubleshooting inner conflicts - making big decisions - relationships: romantic, family, friends - careers, businesses, side-hustles - emotions, self-love …pretty much anything!
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I'm going to the Intend Beyond Goals Intensive (BGI, previously Complice GCI) on weekend two! I attended 2 before and foun…
Thread · The coaching channel: personalized coaching at scale · 2 of 11 tweets
one participant said "feels like the most useful chat I've had in my life". that's partly because the coaches are skilled & kind, but it's also the magic of the medium! — the coaching channel ❤️🔥 here's another reflection:
I haven't talked in this thread about the other aspects of the workshop (videos, frameworks, exercises, coworking, etc) but if you want to learn more or sign up, here's the link! 4 workshops coming up (Dec 30, Dec 31, Jan 6, Jan 7) intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
last night I was telling @EthanReeder about the online life-orienting intensives I run, and he said he was kinda turned off by the phrase "chat-based coaching" but when I assured him it wasn't just DMing coaches & waiting for a reply, he thought that sounded much better. hence:
we tried to workshop an alternate term than "chat-based coaching" and came up with: "synchronously interactive high-touch text-based coaching" ...but it's a bit of a mouthful 😆
@nopranablem very tangential but if you (& @visakanv) haven't heard this remix of the Get Schwifty song from that episode, you're in for a treat youtube.com/watch?v=m7djNw…
@TylerAlterman I mean that's even fine by the xkcd equation (at 30 his lower limit would be 22)
Thread · Making good on harm: punishment vs. learning and repair · 5 of 12 tweets
some people think that you make good on harms you've caused by suffering yourself (perhaps by being punished) other people think that you make good on harms you've caused by learning how not to do it again, and putting more beauty, love, life, into the world
me... I'm not entirely sure about the entire frame but the former definitely puts more suffering into the world and the latter makes the world better, so if someone is going to attempt to put things right, that's how I would like to see them going about it
external punishment sometimes helps keep people from doing bad things although it doesn't work at all for psychopaths/sociopaths, who seem (congenitally?) unable to learn from any kind of negative reinforcement, including punishment
this well-established fact about sociopathy (which may or may not be the root difference) suggests that being able to update appropriately from negative consequences is vital for sane living. kinda obvious! like how ppl who literally feel no pain end up with untreated injuries
but there are negative consequences that aren't punishment: 🏃 missing the train because you didn't get out the door on time 😖 someone else's pain, if they show it & you empathize with it 😡 a loved one being angry towards you 🤷♀️ someone not wanting to hang out with you again &+
@itinerantfog stoked for this and for the book
@aleksil79 @vajrakali six kids, ages 4-9?? wow. triplets or something?
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go up a level: social media is a search engine for experiences. if you mostly find things you dislike then what you are se…
this one is great because it highlights how sometimes the future idea needs not just the expression of the current idea but its enaction as well
Thread · Making good on harm: punishment vs. learning and repair · 5 of 12 tweets
Alfie Kohn talks about how if you train your kid via punishment, and they grow up and never rob a corner store only because they don't want to be punished... ...you haven't taught them how to be a good person, just how to selfishly not get caught!
having said that, I'm pretty suspicious of most notions of "be a good person". they smell of Original Spin ie something like this:
I'm in favour of something more like enlightened selfishness ie doing exactly what you want with no further justification needed but not blindly to the context you're in—attuned to the context and with an eye to help it flourish in ways that help it help you flourish
in Original Spin video I said > "Some larger wholes are constantly sinning against their parts, and thereby are not owed [cooperation from those parts]" some contexts, if you support them, will NOT support you! if you can't change that, gtfo! 😬
tbh, this doesn't require judging the outer context as wronging you. it could just be a bad fit for you like uhh no matter how much you support the basketball team's victory, it may not support your desire to become an astronaut (which is fine if you have others who do!)
Replying to @jess_ann_pin
@jess_ann_pin huh, interesting. hadn't considered that I generally find shame a costlier-than-anticipated way of enforcing anything but leaving aside matters of enforcing standards, these standards do kinda make sense!
love, and attune*, and do as thou wilt *and these are secretly the same
Thread · Making good on harm: punishment vs. learning and repair · 2 of 12 tweets
anyway, all that to say:
and that also forgiveness is vital for the fabric of society, at any scale but especially when things are too densely connected (family, social groups) to easily go separate ways twitter.com/MicroSFF/statu…
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the magic of the "coaching channel" ❤️🔥 how we do personalized coaching at scale in a way that's sometimes even better…
don't stick your dick in worldview
"people trust that their experiences matter to you... and you can lean into that a bit" - @RomeoStevens76 re someone in teacher role getting a bit of naive overextended trust
real GTD has never been tried
experimenting with writing down todos as tweets instead Romeo suggests I read @diviacaroline's thread on Moloch being a bad frame (feel free to link it below if you see this)
do you want self-reference? because this is how you get self-reference
Romeo suggests watching a scene from a movie, where Tom Hardy plays a guy who inherits land and over the course of the scene discovers that these other high society lords are super manipulative that's all he recalls, any ideas?
hearing Vervaeke contrast gnosis and episteme in this vid makes me think "huh, another way to describe what I'm yearning for is a community with good epistemics and good gnostics" youtu.be/uy8SjWREnQ0
@itsgalth @diviacaroline it's a great example of an apparent incompatibility of needs that isn't a real incompatibility (aside from being contrived for such a purpose—a wild-caught example makes a better story, tho ofc is harder to demo on purpose) but this isn't specifically Moloch
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I've both coached at and participated in the Goal Crafting Intensives over the years and I'm so pumped for the new iterat…
Retweeted @liminal_warmth
There's a lot of pain on the TL tonight; there isn't anything obviously helpful to say So i will say this: Whoever yo…
Retweeted @PrinceVogel
Evolution has been going on for billions of years and the world is covered in beauty - so how bad is moloch, really
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what happens when you don't have a means of tracking what you're doing over time 👀
the way to get non-naive trust in a group isn't primarily by excluding those deemed untrustworthy by some, but by supporting every member's capacity to listen to their own distrust
supposedly the traveler's dilemma (below) causes "rational" people to pick a $2 payoff rather than a $100 payoff but there's a saner line of reasoning that goes "this either converges on ~$100 or ~$2. I would like to pick the option that can converge on $100."
the dao that can be hugged is, it turns out, the true dao
"pith" would be a pretty good name for a twitter clone
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it's kabbalistically signifcant that CBT stands for cognitive behavioural therapy AND cock and ball torture AND aims to get…
@sanjehorah @SilverthreadVTG CBT does #NotAllTherapies
@RichDecibels @nosilverv incredible game, especially given that the original tweet, to which it was a reply, isn't even shown by default now since it got edited
@nosilverv alternatively
@mechanical_monk I have investigated this extensively and as far as I can tell it's primarily {an invitation to | a recognition of} a deeper kind of intimacy which paradoxically is partially made of the recognition of each others' strangeness
@sanjehorah "phallus"?
Replying to @shhhhjesse
@shhhhjesse @QiaochuYuan the CSA thing was from 25 years ago, and people I know seem pretty confident there's been no further stuff like that my impression is that the "two" are incidents with chaos & twitter-ppl in the last few years, of theoretically-BDSM-but-poorly-negotiated-and-perhaps-willfully-so
Retweeted @michaelcurzi
TPOT is not a community and that's ok. Lance that swollen & abstract concept, let the confusion evaporate. I like 'TPOT…
@eshear @QiaochuYuan really appreciating you chiming in about this! something like, it highlights that the silicon valley culture sorta called EA into existence and would have done so with different people and specific memes if it hadn't been the people that it was
@gnomicperfect @PrinceVogel for some reason I saw this preview and was expecting the link to open in spotify or youtube with some sick beats
progress on this has been slow but is picking up. still haven't gotten to that many people, but we're figuring out how to convey it precisely, cleanly, robustly, joyously, and that's more important than scale at this phase
haha I thought about that too also supposing that the antique was definitely worth more than $100, there's an obvious attractor for both people putting $100 that isn't even about "getting the most money back"
@RokoMijic you say "Nash is $2" like it's a fact about the world that people should converge on the Nash equilibrium, when it's only a fact about what this guy Nash says (and not even him but some simple schema)
@ShaanVP hmmm based on half a million minutes per year (thanks RENT) one billion minutes is 2k years ie 20+ lifetimes... which implies that in order to invest billions of minutes you also need to be able to manage a medium-sized team towards your projects 🤔🤔 ...still not a bad target!
I keep coming back to “I keep coming back to”.
lmk if you want to experience the current prototype of the meme! it may or may not feel like forgiveness. probably doesn't particularly feel like confession. vibes mostly of gentle self-love and "wait what? that was there the whole time??! wait it's everywhere"
@__drewface nah I'd love to jam and sync on it! let's talk meme is made of gnosis, can only be improved by criticism
also realized the other day that I could pray to Jesus for help, and that was pretty great very confusing god/egregore shape atm given how many directions he's been pulled, but in any case he has infinite forgiveness on tap 🥹🥲
@EthanReeder it's pointing out how the experience of sinfulness is a confusion, so that the person can tell for themselves that they are free from sin
solve cults by making society have all the vital nutrients
@danielbrottman capitalism has some vital nutrients that aren't available outside it
Retweeted @strangestloop
I'm telling on myself here but the behavior of the first guy in this video strikes me as extremely masculine. A man goes…
@TylerAlterman hmmm this feels related to this
@nickcammarata any attitude of "do it for the long-term benefit, not because you're enjoying it right now" kind of engenders this also part of what makes a chore a chore is that you feel like it needs to be done but you aren't in touch with the sense of why or that it's working.
Retweeted @AskYatharth
hello everyone did you already know this? i discovered playing guitar is like cooking. it's approximate. doesn't have to…
@lauralondon_ @danielgolliher you probably know about statecraft already but if you don't then here's a batsignal (maybe also of interest to @__drewface, @jasoncbenn)
Thread · Superorganisms and the fuzzy boundaries of aliveness
wow, what a great question about superorganisms intuitively... one answer would be something about obligate symbiosis... like our cells can't live & reproduce without each other... that would imply an ant colony is alive tho kinda 🐜
...but then if you have two different insect species who are obligate symbionts... what's the unit of organism? what is the thing that IS alive? because any two organisms don't necessarily require each other, they could pair up differently
but then, this is way more true than we usually take for granted I need A heart but I don't need MY heart; I could get a heart transplant and continue living 🫀
likewise is {a pregnant woman & an embryo/fetus} alive? as distinct from either of them looked at "individually"?
I think this is a new angle on how "aliveness" isn't possible to perfectly define we must, as always, ask "in what sense?"
this video highlights death as a somewhat gradual process where the organism fails to maintain an outer membrane out of which it can export entropy and thereby maintain order internally. it doesn't happen all at once, but there is a tipping point youtube.com/watch?v=ibpdNq…
this can apply to companies or cities or countries or neighborhoods as well! (great book on this quoted below) yet they aren't alive in some other obvious sense... but as obvious as this is, how nameable is it?
so like, the boringly nameable thing is that one connotation of "alive" IS "biologically alive", and the living flows of companies and cities involve biology but aren't quite on that level tho in both cases energy is imported and entropy is dumped out
oh I think one of the things that's confusing about these entities is that it's much less clear when they are born and die but that's also true of eg trees, who can get completely chopped down but the same organism sends up a new shoot!
in the case of cities & countries, one thing that's true is that their sub-organisms include humans, but there's a kind of different flow of mana at the scale of humans eating vs cities getting money (tho ultimately that still does buy energy & materials... what's the diff?)
idk what else to say here but if these puzzles intrigue you then definitely check out @drmichaellevin's work this is one of his pieces that I've enjoyed; he also has shorter videos if you want to search for those youtube.com/watch?v=w1ah94…
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when I was a kid so many adults used to tell me “when you have a child of your own then you will understand (why adults bully…
@mechanical_monk @visakanv wdym everyone has read all the same blog posts? I feel like there's just way too much for that to be remotely possible eg here's the coolest thing I've read this year, and if you've already read it I bet I have another one you haven't vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
@ErodedPebble @2997x10tothe8 @typecfemale whiteness is a fake concept
as I stop using the concept of whiteness, it's helping me notice that I was erasing differences between different europeans (idk what's culture and what's biological, but something feels looser here now which is nice)
Replying to @sashachapin
something less extreme than this but similar vibes happened with me once invited me over for the night, we were watching a movie, she had her shirt off and we were cuddling, but I made a move and she was like "nah". possible she wanted me to be even bolder? but tough idk
@sashachapin I think me of that time, if he'd had enough encouragement & clarity, could have found a way to turn up the eros without increasing pressure too much like increase sensuality, get lower in the body. and maybe she would have gone for a move from there. but I genuinely dunno
@aleksil79 huhhhhh interesting seeing those as distinct makes more sense in the context of Michael Levin's work
annoyed at twitter getting weird about changing your name too often, re verification lost steam on my "69/100 vids" (I'm now so twitter pro that I can hide my verification badge, which I do because I think it's visual noise and because I pay for features not status or whatever)
@QiaochuYuan yo @QiaochuYuan have you set up a buymeacoffee.com on your math.se profile yet? ...and if not, is it from a principled objection or just an "I haven't gotten around to it"? (could also be a place to link to math (+trauma) tutoring!)
@QiaochuYuan ah yeah. tho also my sense is that the conception of euro differences is also much more common in the present in europe (Olaf is British) than in america etc, where the primary social axis was "white vs POC"
@QiaochuYuan also the gerrymandering was WAY worse than I thought before I saw this chart of it, also: > During the period when only "white" people could become naturalized U.S. citizens, many court decisions were required to define which ethnic groups...
@QiaochuYuan weirdly I'm looking at the chart more closely now and it's interesting to see 1910 having multiple "Asian Indians are White" rulings then 1917-1942 having multiple "Asian Indians are not White" rulings and one of them was based on "ocular inspection of the skin"
@m_ashcroft they can see you from the outside and other people from the outside, so they're in a much better position to compare your skills with others than you are since your own view of yourself is just SO different than your view of others!
Replying to @doriecp
@doriecp this is fucking dope. if it were my kid, I imagine what would happen is that Santa would deliver a lovely gift of some science equipment that he might appreciate which will probably not be what he asked for, but will support the spirit of his approach
@doriecp one of the things you'd then have to deal with is how his response on xmas morning would affect the 7yo kid tho but there's not much you can do about that unless you want to let him in on the secret in advance, which my sense is would be less fun for him
@doriecp a different approach would be to go: "hmm, so if Santa IS real, that suggests what you've been told about him (eg that he can hear what you say when you're alone) isn't true...! investigating things is complex! what does it mean for X to be real?"
Replying to @rick_somar
@rick_somar @levelsio not imperfection but taste the ability to know what you want and hone towards it
I've heard horror stories of someone offering a 1:1 service as Pay What You Want & then when the person said what they're going to pay, the provider said "well that's not enough for me to pay my bills!" if you're gonna have a minimum, have the integrity to say that up front! 😡
everybody's ancestors were indigenous once it's just a matter of how far back, and to what extent they colonized themselves or got colonized from the outside
@AndyAyrey yeah!
colonialism was invented by Rome (and probably elsewhere) if your ancestors are European but you don't identify as Roman, good chance that your indigenous ancestors got colonized by Rome
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@peakexperiments checks out
@peakexperiments this podcast has a great discussion of "indigenous to earth"
tbh making the analogy to cancer highlights how naive many revolutionary movements are cancer is like "I WANT TO BREAK FREE" but doesn't actually understand that it lives in an environment (the superorganism) and needs to maintain that environment in order to thrive
Replying to @Johnicholas
@Johnicholas nice, yeah, this is good then there's something like "can reproduce" but obviously that requires some handwaving since infertile organisms* are still alive *(whether postmenopausal women, or newborns, or sterile hybrids like mules)
@asemic_horizon screenshot+link the Arrow's theorem claim?
@danielbrottman I meant definitely this. and so then the former is hard to talk about for the same reason it's hard to talk about the subtle nutrients that are only available in smaller and more obscure cults
the ability to participate in something market-like, where you can choose what you want to do as long as someone else wants it enough, is close to a fundamental human nutrient
@danielbrottman but like, leaving aside "capitalism" for a moment, with all of its messy cloud of connotations...
@danielbrottman what new features are happening? do they have multiQT? I might switch for multiQT malcolmocean.com/2021/11/twitte…
Thread · How pay-what-you-want pricing works for our workshops
...which of course raises the question: what if Pay What You Want but good tho? unlike sometimes when I ask this question, this isn't a hypothetical for me—I've been running PWYW-based life-clarifying workshops for years! here's how we approach it
we have a clear de facto minimum in the form of an up-front ticket price our workshops often sell out, and it's important we don't get people showing up thinking it's "free". it's not free. it's pay what you want. (we also offer a "you don't have to think about it" option!)
so implicitly, there's kind of a sliding scale that starts at $35 and goes up to $375 & beyond but also we did once have someone ask for a refund of the $35 after the workshop, and we gave it! (he was a 99.9th percentile bad customer and I was happy to send him on his way)
but unlike sometimes when people use "sliding scale" (eg below) ...since the PWYW part comes at the end of the workshop, it's not just based on how much you can afford, but on your experience of the value of the workshop!
at the end of the workshop, we highlight 3 relevant dimensions: ‣ value you got ‣ your budget ‣ your desire to support our work & other people with less money being able to attend and then encourage people to find an amount that feels good on all of those dimensions
since the beginning, we've always ended our PWYW spiel with: "whatever you put in, it's the right amount" and we mean it!
it wouldn't be worth it for us to keep running the workshops if *everybody* put in nothing, but that's just not what happens, so it doesn't really come up. we've never come close to that.
the nature of these we're doing is that it scales quite well, and in a way that's quite low marginal cost it's not ~zero marginal cost the way selling software or an ebook is, but one more participant at a workshop doesn't require more input from us
so the tickets are $35 and then during the PWYW part at the end, we have people who put in $10 or $20, or even $3. and we appreciate that! it's still real money, some people are broke, and/or maybe the workshop was interesting but not life-changing
and some people put in $100 or $200, or they look at what the "full price" ticket was and put in that much since it "met expectations" and sometimes people put in $500 or $600! (I think that's the highest we've gotten so far)
and some people put in nothing at all, whether because they get tired before the end of the workshop and leave (it's intense!) or whether because they can't spare another dollar, or again, maybe they just aren't impressed.
the people who contribute nothing go unremarked. we don't single them out or nag them we do say a brief "thank you" out loud to each person by name as they contribute!
the "thanks John" etc does create a small amount of social pressure to contribute something, which some people have told us they found unpleasant but the workshop *IS* Pay What You Want—not "free" and not "$35". so that seems fair!
the thanking was inspired by livestream tipping culture (although those usually show the amounts onscreen—we don't do anything like that. I don't even thank larger contributions more effusively!)
another inspiration for me was going to the Halifax Busker Festival many summers in my teens, and hearing the pro buskers explain the deal before the grand finale there's social pressure but it's playful, & not personal. and they say "thanks" for every amount big or small
I also gotta give a shoutout to @TadHargrave, whose approach was an inspiration to us back in 2016 he calls it "Pay What You Can" but I like "Want" because it emphasizes desire to contribute, which incorporates "what you can" and more interview:
another reason I like "what you want" is that our whole workshops are ABOUT exploring that question! the lifelong journey of learning to listen to yourself and not let social pressure or fear keep you from moving towards what feels right to you!
if you're interested in learning more about our approach and the workshop format—and potentially signing up, however much you pay now or later—here's the site: intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
@dackerman yeah, it's not really status anymore, but I'm not sure what it is and whatever it is I don't really care
@BecomingCritter nah it's fine, you're not white, whiteness is a fake concept
@BecomingCritter should have pulled out this chart and asked her where the ruling is that you're white
Thread · Legal racial categories and how using them perpetuates racism · 1 of 9 tweets
looking forward to trying this if it's ever relevant
the United States as one of the oldest and most successful intentional communities
google maps location sharing but for the astral body
damn I just re-read this piece I wrote last year and it continues to feel so potent ift.tt/p5vDBqo
curious for @ben_r_hoffman's take on this in part from remembering a time that he referred to something as ~"clearly scapegoating" when from my perspective it didn't look like scapegoating so I have a sense he's already trying to avoid this failure mode
@michaelcurzi mmmm
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I’m pretty activated right now so this is probably not a good idea but I just… I’m really having a hard time I had a bad ex…
@natural_hazard I have a friend who this happened to transformed my sense of people as having fixed intelligence, watching her uncramp hers from underneath shame & trauma & self-consciousness
@natural_hazard there's also a section in a dzogchen book (iirc it's just called Dzogchen) where he describes how most people, on awakening, even if previously very non-intellectual, become scholarly (in addition to more worldly)
@aleksil79 right? it's a really fascinating frame
@myceliummage nice of you! don't forget you can leave anytime or if you do forget, as is often necessary to visit naraka, then I hope you remember soon
@IvanVendrov oooooooh yeah 😍
@metaphorician yes, and some of them (tho not all) fail have the virtue of conservatism at the same time
@lumpenspace wait what? please unpack haha
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v good thread
doing God's work
@visakanv pretty bad pronoun confusion tbh
@_J_Q_D_ @QiaochuYuan oh yeah totally, "POC" didn't exist as a phrase at the time but the concept basically did. "white" and "not white"/"colored"
@cunha_tristan totally. in this way they're not different at all
@danielbrottman lmk how it unfolds for you!
Replying to @JimDuxhette
@JimDuxhette what do you mean?
@xandkar yeah I thought of including a caveat about the greeks but I decided to let myself be pithy and wrong as a treat
@QiaochuYuan do iiiiiit it seems super wholesome to me
@mechanical_monk @visakanv gotcha. maybe you need new foundational worldview pieces :P I'll be curious to see what you make of the Snake Cult piece
@strategy_rpg DM'ing so we can coordinate a call you can also check out this video if you want to see some of the R&D going into it
@ciphergoth @edavidds omg that would be really funny maybe the thing to do would be to have that be ONE of the things that they try, and it sort of works but isn't enough
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Who is working on truth-telling as an optimal strategy?
@RobertHaisfield @aleatoryai @NickADobos twitter.com/WTTDFP/status/…
Thread · Flirty AIs designed for learning instead of addiction · 1 of 17 tweets
this meme seems like a decent inoculation, culturally like "bruh you can't call her your AI gf, she can't break up with you"
@itsgalth @diviacaroline so I see Moloch as specifically "if I don't do it, someone else will (and they'll get ahead)" which means that evolution kinda favors that usually prefaced also by "this is clearly evil, but"
@itsgalth @diviacaroline a way to get kids to understand Moloch.... would be to make a game that is by default kinda fair, but it's possible to pay for an absurd unfair advantage by destroying their favorite toy anyone who doesn't do it is clearly gonna lose, so if anyone does it... everyone kinda must
@itsgalth @diviacaroline although this would still be missing the (vital!) part where Moloch is an emergent dynamic, not one that is created by an asshole game designer
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance huhhhh now I'm curious what happens next, sounds like the guys were about to debrief @RomeoStevens76 was this it?
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My secret? I only do what I want. I allow all my activity in the world to flow outward from the center of my desiring (…
conveniently @AskYatharth saved the image from this
@mormo_music it was a hypothetical. in many such cases, yes but to some extent this innate sense can get overridden
Replying to @onfreetalk
huh interesting, indeed although that was also just what some guy said 100 years ago; maybe some thought that was wrong at the time (not saying they did, only to not assume it was actually standard)
@onfreetalk @TylerAlterman and/or maybe it WAS implicitly a creepiness rule, because without it many guys would have just gone for way younger gals
@aleksil79 @vajrakali @b0esium @kevinsimler @aleksil79, do you remember what this tweet was? my habit of checking notifications infrequently has betrayed me here
@tasshinfogleman beautiful, yes
@LaurenzHemmen @not_a_hot_girl @devonzuegel oh totally, it's not ideal, but is one approach
@karma_gardener the way many people know how to do it, yeah which involves a bunch of left-hemisphere self-identification, vs seeing wholeness of self
@QiaochuYuan @chjrwis @DaltonDEmery @river_kenna (here's my meta-thread if anyone's curious)
@kenakennedy uhhhh not sure I recognize that energy but I think waking it up involves a lot of energies one of my favs
@shanemelaugh @embryosophy you might dig Vervaeke's work more generally! it's really good stuff here's his main series, which I'm like 70% of the way through youtube.com/watch?v=ncd6q9…
@lumpenspace what I tried was looking at this clip, and it made me want to puke with its manipulative lies the bullshit specifically being "honestly, I've never met anyone like you" that thing doesn't know the meaning of the world "honestly", and has never met anyone
@arabelladevine @shaggysurvives yeah, it's possible to relate to all of these spaciously but it requires unwinding a fuckton of original spin (the confusion of your own pain/discomfort/failure with an externalized narrative of wrongness/obligation)
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Brilliant thread from @Malcolm_Ocean QT’d by @andy_matuschak x.com/andy_matuschak…
@rahshank @schlagetown ooooh, yeah, thanks!
@RobertHaisfield yeah exactly! it's tough tho because part of vibing is literally the soul and once we can put that in machines we've got AGIs and a whole different host of problems
@MilanGriffes @andyohlbaum @digiaiapp 🧑🚀🌏🔫👩🚀
@meekaale yess Biology of Desire, so good wait I feel like we've had this convo before... ah yes
@jackinlondon you might like this:
@jackinlondon oh wait wrong one haha
@jackinlondon here's the one I meant (you can see how I got them confused)
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A tiny meditation invitation, if you'll pause here for a moment. Hi. Think of a dream you have. ☁️ A vision or project…
@metaLulie @blankbreaks amazing. gotta keep you on your toes
@visakanv as the title of the blog post? nice
@AskYatharth @exgenesis zero not even resonant vibes no sense of looking for other clusters, was super focused on internal R&D
@QiaochuYuan @byjonathanleung I use an IFTTT widget on android
@AskYatharth guessing it was a screenshot (maybe @QiaochuYuan's) from the Preconquest Consciousness article, which I believe talks about this (this video is part of the research this article was based on) ranprieur.com/readings/preco…
if we hang out in person, ask me about my other tricks like this (depending on the time of day)
@Liber_Rex do you have longer-form stuff on gnosis & veritas? searching your tweets I find a few short things twitter.com/search?q=liber…
@visakanv @PrinceManayBora Visa I'd love to know what your experience has been like so far of orienting to your finances now that you're a feral free agent do you ever feel like "I want to make more money" and that motivates you to do stuff? or have you got the engine going so you just soul in public?
@visakanv oooooh yeah
I'm going meta on my own framing process but I keep bumping into the reality that there's no frameless to orient from
@visakanv and Vervaeke AFTMC ~ep34 highlights that this is the spiritual, the transcendent, the sense of
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@giray_arat @monofrogue no crowd because I am he and you are she and we are Pagliacci
Replying to @benwr
@benwr @MatjazLeonardis pretty good although runs the risk of baking in a bunch of bad assumptions of what it means to grok probability such as not seeing how badly bayes theorem is constrained by the frame problem
part of why it's hard to envision the next cultural platform is that once we overthrow the tyrannical monoculture the thing we get is EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS POSSIBLE AND DESIRABLE AND INTEROPERABLE which is a wide range and is different for different people
@learning_sprite @metaphorician Game B has made some sketches, but uhh
@learning_sprite @metaphorician here's one of my attempts, still stupidly abstract malcolmocean.com/2022/05/100x-v…
@learning_sprite @metaphorician this piece also conveys some of it malcolmocean.com/2022/10/open-l…
@learning_sprite @metaphorician and here's my theory of change malcolmocean.gumroad.com/l/how-we-get-t…
@terzicigor depends on your definition of rationality most "rationalists" around here would agree that some sort of timeless decision theory obviously converges on $100
@_J_Q_D_ @QiaochuYuan right, huh, duh, POC is a bad concept because it's the negative space concept of whiteness, which has absurd boundaries
@Kirsten3531 yeah, it was nice to hear it I have a lot of fear of being too pressurey as a salesperson, to a degree that honestly probably makes me do less good in the world than I could if I were better @ selling & part of the fear is that people won't tell me if I head in that direction
@terzicigor it's an excerpt from a longer wikipedia article, and not particularly opinionated, but yeah en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveler%…
@metaphorician @learning_sprite more *capable* at certain kinds of agentic moves than the US because of unified political power but I wouldn't exactly call it trustworthy according to my values, so I'm wondering what you mean there
@itsjaneflowers wait what this prof has already incorporated @AndrewCutler13's work published earlier this year?!? or is this a coincidence? either way I want to meet this person vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
holy shit this is super cool #EvConch
@itsjaneflowers @AndrewCutler13 wait I got confused by the "my prof" this is what YOU created. damn let's talk. I'm keen to convene some sort of evolution-of-consciousness unconference sometime next year
this is sort of another way to point at the unwinding of Original Spin
@fraserdeans at a high-level I think that most curiosity puzzles don't need direct todo lists they need: - good interconnected notes, eg in roam, so you can get reinspired - people to jam with eg on twitter - showtimes for pulling things together (publishing deadlines, unconference hosting)
@fraserdeans so then there may be todo lists for organizing the unconference, and then once you decide "oh I want to present on this topic there" then bam, now you have more clear stuff to do but the default state is more open-ended play
@fraserdeans also you might dig jamming on this stuff at our Beyond Goals Intensive! either the specifics for 3mo-out, or how to design systems for it intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
@itsjaneflowers oooh you might really like this new Michael Levin paper (and his work more generally) thoughtforms.life/what-do-algori…
letting people make you uncomfortable is not a virtue
relatedly, taking an anti-bullying stance doesn't make you morally obligated to put up with arbitrary amounts of uncomfortable interpersonal behavior from anyone who pattern-matches to 'loser' or 'bully victim' or 'outcast' (otherwise you're the bully)
@metaphorician @learning_sprite > phone call from your president he's not my president (I'm Canadian)
@metaphorician @learning_sprite I'm aware of the exploits of the West, but I've heard similar things about China's foreign investments screwing over small countries by making them depending
@metaphorician @learning_sprite how could the Russian invasion of Ukraine been avoided by the US being more trustworthy?
Replying to @JimDuxhette
@JimDuxhette uhhhhhh hmm. I don't care about relative gains, I care about absolute gains currently people are short on vital nutrients. if they weren't, that would be better. it would be nice if that were true for everybody.
@metaphorician yeah, many self-proclaimed conservatives either don't have what I'm calling the virtue of conservativism here, or they have it on a deep level but that intuition has been exploited and layer over top of by bs narratives about how all we need to do is retvrn or whatever
@metaphorician yeah reactionary stuff is largely not actually conservative (in the classic sense, the one in which it can readily be combined with "progressive") in this sense, the conservative view never says "go back", only "go slowly, cautiously, humbly"
@metaphorician I'm from Canada where our mainstream right-wing party was literally called the Progressive Conservative party for 6 decades it wasn't exactly a paragon of virtue, but it was at least an attempt at the idea that these two principles aren't opposed everythingstudies.com/2018/12/06/i-l…
@metaLulie idk, it was an offhand intended-to-be-playful comment but I guess I do think it's good to periodically have art that breaks out of the medium, which this essentially did
@DAtD_life @_emergent_ @eshear @Thinkwert @Nsousanis what part(s) stood out to you?
@moonboi_ looool at "think: a higher perspective" like bruh that is a DIFFERENT PHYSICAL METAPHOR
@moonboi_ also uhhhh nah man if you wanna use the orchestra metaphor, high vibration just means fucking piccolos
@bobz44 @moonboi_ ahhh like "high frequency vibration" as "heated for annealing"? reminds me of when @RomeoStevens76 & I were going to a hippie tantra workshop and they promise high-vibration food and we were like... "ahh like hot food, not just raw stuff, that's nice"
@moonboi_ speaking in "metaphor" but badly. they've attached the metaphor adjective to the wrong metaphor noun, so it's senseless
@Liber_Rex reading this... you might dig reading about cosmological natural selection regarding the "where did the universe come from?" question theeggandtherock.com/p/holy-crap-iv…
"If a tree falls in a universe and no one is around to hear it, what is a tree?" ~ @Liber_Rex
@Liber_Rex this makes me think you might like Asimov's Last Question here in excellent comic form: imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH
interesting contrast of veritas & gnosis by @Liber_Rex I like how it highlights that you can't tell someone else that their own consciousness/gnosis exists. I mean you can try, but it's self-evident from the inside aion.enterprises/blog/lux-aeter…
@Liber_Rex (this all relates to my recent sequence on "I can tell for myself" as an intuitive angle on gnosis) malcolmocean.com/2023/11/i-can-…
@primalpoly @utotranslucence directed and performed in a blacklight circus show for several seasons. pretty epic multifarious project! (we're now married)
@ogdenparfit yeah but only to the extent that feels right something something meta-comfort-zone
@IsoldeMoorey well, circularly self-love & self-respect can be cultivated by refactoring your self-other boundary
@visakanv this makes me think you might like this comic, which played a helpful role in my jailbreaking process 6 years ago click for full comic existentialcomics.com/comic/13
@visakanv @brianduffytweet @utotranslucence this is very relevant to your interests
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via @brianduffytweet "What we call mental illness is coerced contractual agreements" – Johan Nygren "We are all pre-progra…
did you know that 15 years ago, in the last interview before his death, the person who made ADHD a thing said it's "a prime example of a fictitious disease"
(I've traced the source of the quote to this article, which seems to be in German and behind a paywall. would be good to verify it) Blech, Jörg: Schwermut ohne Scham. In: Der Spiegel, Nr. 6/6.2.12, p. 122–131, p. 128. spiegel.de/politik/schwer…
@mounica_v8 haha I gotchu (how to QT in a situation like this: search [from:malcolm_ocean live in first], then copy the link, then paste it at the bottom of your tweet)
@mounica_v8 I like "I know something but I don't know what exactly it means"
I'm trying to square this with centerlessness, conceptually. (it's not at all in conflict experientially) I think by "in first person" I mean "as awareness with what's arising in it, which is your own sense fields including the mind... rather than trying to program yourself etc"
@visakanv beautiful articulation of scenius formation @__drewface have you seen this Marine Biological Laboratory case study?
@sidewayskoyote @Liber_Rex hmm I think I basically agree here in the limit, although it still feels useful from my perspective to at least explore something like 1. what are we talking about when we try to talk about objective? 2. why do some things seem to be understandable objectively while others don't?
instead of objective-vs-subjective, consider two MODES of relating to intersubjectivity: 1. 👩🔬 we are taking our shared ontology for granted: things seem the same way to us 2. 🫨 we are grappling with an incommensurate experience of not being able to make our realities meet
@sidewayskoyote @Liber_Rex ooooooh this has inspired a new lens on something I've been chewing on a bunch lately:
@sidewayskoyote @Liber_Rex so yes, there's only gnosis, but sometimes we know how to bridge between my gnosis and your gnosis, and other times we don't one take would be that when we know how to bridge, at some level of scale... tada! veritas emerges
@eshear @Liber_Rex yeah totally. there's a great refutation of p-zombies somewhere on lesswrong, about this although aspects of that are still a from-the-outside argument
@eshear @Liber_Rex although re-reading it, it looks like he does actually use an inner example, not just the "whatever consciousness is, it's at least the thing that causes people to talk about consciousness" lesswrong.com/posts/7DmA3yWw…
@eshear @Liber_Rex but I suspect there's a hidden-not-so-hidden physicalist-materialist reductionist agenda going on here, where the whole reason that this comes into question in the first place is because reductionism is assumed and consciousness doesn't experientially reduce to physics
@lumpenspace look if you want your girlfriend (AI or otherwise) to say things that are technically correct when interpreted as propositions, but obviously lies when interpreted through grice's maxims, not sure what to tell you
@lumpenspace but yes, lol, you do have a point 🤣
what work(s) of sci-fi inspire what you do? for me the top one is hands down A Fire Upon The Deep by Vernor Vinge, for its depiction of non-hive-like superorganisms, with epic integration & differentiation & fluid morphing identity
@AskYatharth @exgenesis eh, I mean it was what it was / is what it is that's not in my top 3 complaints about LSA, insofar as anything whatsoever can be separated
@AskYatharth @vivekt17 and then chaos deactivated today, so it worked out well!
@itsgalth @diviacaroline ahhhhh, I see what you mean. I don't know whether I agree with you, but this is helping loosen my concept of Moloch so thanks for that
@sidewayskoyote huh, spoilage spoils 🤔
@mechanical_monk @visakanv huh, I don't think of it as primarily about paleontology... more like psychohistory or something. for me it connected with this other epic piece I read this year in a way that was quite insightful ranprieur.com/readings/preco…
@QiaochuYuan I finally bought Last & First Men again today! will read! ("again", because last time amazon sent me bullshit reprints with unreadable size 6 font)
@QiaochuYuan this was a few hours ago. I know you've been trying to get me to read it. I'll read it digitally if this dosen't work
@lumpenspace I never said "all they ever say is at least propositionally true"! I said "say things that are", and meant it in the sense of "sometimes". just like I didn't intend to imply *everything* the AI says is connotationally lies
@lumpenspace to be clear, in some sense, AI bots are all playing characters, and you're play-acting a conversation wholesome AIs would encourage you to be able to playfully step out of your roles, like improv games; addictive AIs would suck you in tighter, forgetting
@lumpenspace (I have been pretty lucky in love tho! in many ways, one of which is that I've never dealt with lying gfs. like my partners have sometimes been unintegrated or not listening to their own hearts, but I always trusted they weren't making up shit or intending to deceive me)
@lumpenspace oof, I literally quoted you back at you, without even quite noticing 😅😬😭 new level of splaining unlocked. sorry about that.
@diegocaleiro lots of people care some because they think he's wrong some because they think he's right some because they'd love to invent the next fictitious disease and get a nobel prize and a ton of money
@diegocaleiro I am pretty unclear if ADHD is a good map for me, also. some stuff I read resonates, much doesn't.
@chriswaterguy yeah, support which no individual has obligation to give, but a group can agree "it would be good for them to get it"
Replying to @gigi94774365
@gigi94774365 @QuetzalThoughts it literally stands for "this part of twitter" and is not a community and never was a community
"you don't want to punish this person in the way that I think they should be punished? you must think that what they did wasn't bad!" is there a name for this fallacy?
@zofer11 @QuetzalThoughts huh, when I was a kid I was told not to eat any berries I didn't recognize, or the few different kinds of small spherical wild-blueberry-sized berries that grew on our large rural property, which my parents called "bird berries" as a way to make it clear they weren't for humans
@the_aiju hmmm I initially parsed this tweet as a call for tpot to become something other than it is, by letting the people who want to insist "if you don't do X you're bad" where "X" involves blame game dynamics but reading the thread, it's clear you don't mean that
Thread · You create your own part of Twitter by blocking liberally · 3 of 6 tweets
fun fact: you create your own "this part of twitter" if people aren't playing the game you want to play, to an egregious degree, just block them! 🛑 if they're on the edge, and you think they'd rise to a challenge to step up, DM them!
also there are different arenas & different games! for some of us, it feels totally fine to follow & interact with people on twitter that we wouldn't feel safe being in a room with for others, they don't even want to see such accounts. fine! mute/block!
by "game" here I mean "mode of interaction" or "culture" homo ludens; playing human I am not trivializing anything you create the culture around you. I'm mostly on twitter to interact with people who know that or who are excited to discover it. I block liberally
Replying to @starbannergames
@starbannergames @the_aiju sad to hear that given that they're now both deactivated! from my point of view, it's totally fine to follow and/or enjoy the art of people who have done (or even are doing) things you otherwise don't like or see as wrong
Thread · You create your own part of Twitter by blocking liberally · 3 of 6 tweets
I LOVE how twitter does not have reified communities, with moderators who have to decide to ban ppl (& can be pressured into doing so) this place has a kind of self-organization magic that other platforms don't! that's how these parts of twitter happened
you are the sovereign of your part of twitter! it's up to you to maintain diplomatic friendliness with anybody you want to be able to read & reply to (otherwise they might block you) and you're free to block whoever you don't want to interact with
in other words, twitter is a perfect place to practice boundaries!
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
performative anger towards chaos and elle is worse than useless and i don't trust the motivations of the people who are do…
this is really cool. I've done a bit of software-building like this I think it'll also become more popular now that LLMs make it way easier to code! ift.tt/hWSN2MD
@aleksil79 @colonel_aronson here's my piece that picks up where the Snake Cult article left off, and walks through a bunch of these implications malcolmocean.com/2023/07/supere…
@QuetzalThoughts @gigi94774365 well and it truly is different from different peoples' perspectives! eg fewer than 1% of the people I follow follow you Quetzal, so there's not a lot of overlap (tho you follow lots of people so maybe there's more in reverse)
@aleksil79 @vajrakali @b0esium @kevinsimler right, and that just seems WAAAAY less likely than developing recursion & self-reference via memes
@diegocaleiro @HedonistRat what's your main critique of mainstream understandings of ADHD? what do most people not get?
@lumpenspace ✅ James Carse 🤔 Eric Berne 🔳 Erving Goffman ✅ Keith Johnstone
someone highlighted that libertarians probably also want a name for this if they don't already have one!
@responsiblparty @QiaochuYuan yeah it's out of copyright, which also makes there be badly formatted reprints I'm hoping this round of ordering paper copies will be okay
yessss I finally have a shiny preview image for this article I wrote in the summer that has been one of my top-linked posts since I wrote it malcolmocean.com/2023/07/supere…
had a lot of fun generating images for this. it's interesting how some concepts seem to come very naturally to the AIs, and some don't. I've been playing with both GPT+DALL-E and MJ lately. I really like the UX of being able to ask GPT+DALL-E for tiny changes
I actually came up with this image, which I liked enough to post it, before remembering that I had had an intention to add a snake to the image as well, since the article builds so heavily on @AndrewCutler13's Snake Cult of Consciousness post
@AndrewCutler13 here's that post. mine barely talks specifically about snakes, but I felt like adding the snake would be good for general symbology and also good for appealing to people who got excited by the Snake Cult post this year vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
@AndrewCutler13 it's fascinating the kinds of aesthetic changes that different prompt adjustments give. like was it the word "crazy" that added the colors here? this was an earlier prompt; eventually realized I wanted to include most of this info up top
@jmrphy mmm really well put I've been working on a theory of how falling in love can be seen as a process of doing each other's mating dance (or failing to be able to do it) & there are a lot of steps that need to be satisfied, but it's mostly your body that knows them, not so much mind
@jmrphy in fact, the mind can be readily turned against your own preferences, eg: "I know I shouldn't care about that... it's shallow" ...but you DO care about it. don't bullshit yourself. you'll waste everyone's time and hurt people
Retweeted @jmrphy
I think dating and marriage are broken because people simply have too many ideas in their heads. Many of them are correct in ce…
@SalomeSibonex afaict it isn't an innate desire, but something that emerges as a result of dualism & self-consciousness (which is to say it's been a part of civilization from the beginning, but not the human species) curious what you make of Preconquest Consciousness ranprieur.com/readings/preco…
@SalomeSibonex and here's my take on how this evolved memetically, not genetically: malcolmocean.com/2023/07/supere…
feeling alone together is way better than feeling alone alone
@SalomeSibonex mmmm, times like these it's good to connect most with the people you feel most resonant with
@SalomeSibonex not sure if I seem like someone focused on the right things, to you, but if I do I'm down to have a call sometimes (I basically have just encountered your twitter just now but you seem to be at an adjacent place in memeplex-space so I bet it'd be interesting)
if you want to form a community on twitter, you'll need to call it something other than "this part of twitter", which is a de facto description of a very loose graph that doesn't even all agree that it's in it let alone where it is
Thread · Twitter as an open graph, not a community to be banned from · 4 of 5 tweets
@QiaochuYuan I'm glad he ended up here. I've learned a lot from talking with him here in public that would have been hard to learn any other way. like I don't know WHO else I could learn it from, and it required the convos happening in tweet-reply form both structurally & socially
@QiaochuYuan he doesn't seem to know how to participate in an in-person community in a way that's safe for him or for others (let alone both) but this isn't an in-person community (it's not a community at all). it's an open graph, where people associate as they choose
@QiaochuYuan and one feature of that is that anybody who wants to block him (understandable! a lot of his tweets are tone deaf & full of caustic hell realm energy) can just do so, and never see any of his stuff again
@QiaochuYuan regarding communities (which again, tpot is not) there's "if all you do is kick someone out, they go somewhere else" and there's also "if someone gets kicked out everywhere, they have nowhere to go" and these both suck & there's no good solution with society's current skill level
seriously, a community does not have properties like: 👀 some of the people you think are in it have never heard of it 👑 the people you consider its leaders say "I'm not part of this" ⁉️ different members disagree wildly about the center of it (a bit of disagreement is common)
@visakanv @Morphenius has been working on psychotech for this, related to grounding in gnosis he's prototyping a sort of memetic MMA gym
@visakanv @Morphenius the key (that he and I agree on) is that you've got to learn the difference between memes that you can tell are in your interest and memes that hack you into propagating them anyway youtube.com/watch?v=nen34r…
Thread · Twitter as an open graph, not a community to be banned from · 1 of 5 tweets
@QiaochuYuan chaos said, aptly: so an environment full of people with 18 sigma psychic defenses who can just make space for him to claw at their systems 24/7/365.24 and not be bothered by it would be fine — optimal, probably. unfortunately neither he nor i know where to find one of those
@RomeoStevens76 @gptbrooke @IsoldeMoorey @the_aiju depending on exactly what the problematic behaviors are, it seems like there could be something that's a bit like a house arrest (metaphorically) - keeping the person in situations in which the behaviors aren't relevant. eg "no ever being alone with women except your wife"
@metaphorician mmm, interesting yeah you might appreciate this - very related:
@metaphorician hmm, good point. not sure what to make of that aspect. arguably they weren't THAT economically right-wing all of the canadian parties are famously left of all of the american parties (depending on exactly what the axis means)
@kalinh @xerambela huh yeah, he was American so probably the interview was in English Wikipedia suggests the original source was this interview published by the German mag tho en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Eise…
@kalinh @xerambela but this Were We Asleep at the Switch? article is in English and might contain similar sentiments onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.11…
Replying to @jonas_hellman
@jonas_hellman ah yeah feeling lonely when not alone is uhh different words are weird I mean facing some existential aloneness or society-scale aloneness, together with someone else
@metaphorician yeah, one of the silly things is that society has gotten increasingly dysfunctional in various ways, such that conservativism as "it was great 50 years ago" isn't really defensible but there's an instinct (maybe Haidt has a name) that inclines people to focus on that
aha we are investigating! the word used in the German is "fabrizierte" which translates "fabricated" or "manufactured" according to google translate as in "created", not "inherited" like genetic diseases that you either have or don't, given 1-2 mutations
@diegocaleiro we're asking different Qs here. I'm not asking "if I have ADHD", I'm attempting to deconstruct the concept without deconstruction, it seems obvious to me that I have ADHD more than I have dyslexia, but less than I have [design rage] but the cluster doesn't fit that well afaict
@diegocaleiro in any case don't call my hair or music a fucking symptom
@diegocaleiro @HedonistRat what would you call ADHD, if you couldn't call it ADHD? (or ADD, or whatever)
@RomeoStevens76 @gptbrooke @IsoldeMoorey @the_aiju but there's sort of a question of authority there, like who is enforcing this and why and by what rights? there are contexts in which I could see something like that being workable (eg "yeah you can keep living here as long as you follow this law to the letter") but not most
@visakanv I pay for Spotify but it wants me to pay more for this (maybe because I pay for Spotify in Canada? unless there's a higher plan)
@visakanv oh man, love finding those linchpin connection-points
@rahshank @visakanv oof, vibes with the opening of this finally-published-after-years essay takingchildrenseriously.com/the-evolution-…
@CalebFiggers yeah, it's also a subtype of the thing NVC talks about around needs vs strategies hmmm
@metaLulie the original RT or my reply? I personally quite like when I hit a blankbreaks tweet, and often it does prompt me into a mode of more mindfulness where I realize that I've been ignoring something because of being sucked into the scrolling vortex
@metaLulie and part of what I like about it is that it DOESN'T actually say anything, it's merely space
@metaLulie but yeah, on a day when you've already been frustrated with bugs, I can see finding it stressful
@colonel_aronson true. enneatypes are also useful for contrast, and they offer a model of different kinds of functionality rather than just return-to-hypothetical-normal you might like this tweet:
Replying to @WesleyZalk
@WesleyZalk @nbouscal TPOT isn't a community events are either application-based or people invite their friends (or there's some sort of referral system) whoever is organizing things gets to decide how, if at all, this week's events are relevant. in many cases it won't be at all.
@michaelcurzi also at the oasis there are journalists here for the scoop saw one guy in a bunch of replies asking an identical question of if people were gonna talk to "the podcasters" about it? creepy mainstream energy but also in other replies either trying to fit in or thinking he belongs
Thread · Expectations as anticipation vs enforcement, and sex differences
the crux here is whether expectations are: - anticipations/negotiations vs - something to be enforced I would expect_ANTICIPATE a left-hander to write with their left hand (I might therefore sit to their right!) but I wouldn't expect_DEMAND that they do so twitter.com/sentientist/st…
we're getting better, but for the last 10k years or so, society has done a lot of its expectations in a non-negotiated, enforced manner which, in the case of left-handedness, used to involve a bunch of traumatizing ppl into doing something unnatural & unnecessary
but sex is very complex, compared to left/right-handedness! and how can we know what's innate? it seems that forcing boys to be girls is bad, & vice versa but also forcing everybody to an absurd average is bad but so is forcing trans or gay boys to be "[straight cis] boys"
so maybe the issue is not the expectations but the forcing! trying to do away with expectations is not really viable—part of the nature of society is that we expect things of each other, & if these expectations aren't based on what's biologically realistic, that spells trouble!
given that, it seems it would be good to have roughly appropriate expectations of variation among & between the sexes, given that there is uhh at least as much bio difference there as with left/right-handedness which includes respecting the reality of girly boys & boyish girls
all of this is very hard to reason about because human behavior doesn't come genetically encoded, for the most part. needs do, and some impulses, but like, my hunger sends me to the fridge and the grocery store, not out to hunt
@tunient @mechanical_monk @puheenix I had an anonymous feedback form for awhile, that was shared with my facebook. (obvs works less well in public spaces like twitter) I got a few harsh but helpful things, and one tauntingly useless come-on 😂
@jessicamalonso yeah, I've adjusted towards saying things like that, when I remember I think I'm still not really accounting for the vast gulf in how different they can be tho.
Replying to @nbouscal
@nbouscal good thread I'm impressed both with your precision/clarity/articulation and how well you managed to stay on the level of "here's a pattern" without it making claims about the level of fit this pattern has to any particular situation
@jessicamalonso my impression is that on whatever levels there isn't so much an equivalent thing in the opposite direction sexwise, which makes it less obvious that it's so salient in this direction
@magicianbrain haha yup
@magicianbrain happened to read a wikipedia article about this literally today en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reachback
@colonel_aronson > high pass filter on attention span oooh say more? what are the units? this is an interesting metaphor I haven't heard before (I studied filter circuits in university years ago so I know the basic concept)
Replying to @selentelechia
@selentelechia I frankly think all kids should take grades 7-8 off to work would give them a taste of being actually plugged into the economy, plus clarity and motivation for learning when they get back and would give them a bit of space from hormonal drama
I used to think that "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be" but it turns out that there's no way to separate the effects of the truth from how it's presented & when it's delivered, and lots of goodness & beauty can be destroyed by poorly timed poorly framed truth
@untitled01ipynb @mimi10v3 no such thing as tpot
tpot is a place not a movement
huh, "rely" has the same root as "religion" although it goes through a rather different route to get there
Retweeted @utotranslucence
my dating advice: - do whatever needs to be done to get to the point where you respect yourself - experiment enough t…
@RichardMCNgo seems clear that LLMs have about as much intentionality as deterministic cell-based sorting algorithms do... ...which is to say... nonzero?!? thoughtforms.life/what-do-algori…
@ESYudkowsky I have the sense that lots of human minds are so compartmentalized & fragmented that they are effectively shitty loose semi-antagonistic networks of much smaller minds than a whole human mind thus the same phenomenon applies there
huh, it's possible to have direct revelation/gnosis of spiritual truths ("I can tell for myself") but if what is revealed to you is a god, saint, prophet, plant spirit., who then says some stuff, then that still amounts to taking someone's word for it malcolmocean.com/2023/11/i-can-…
Replying to @eigenrobot
@eigenrobot @selentelechia great indeed!
@coponder so far: no lol
fuck me, I had a sequence drafted that was 11k words long and I went to insert a short new post in the middle and it's turned into 4k words that wants to rope in another 1.5k words I wrote this summer
this is good I like writing. I have a lot to say. I'm learning from writing this. it's fun to have a sequence I'm publishing that kind of builds on itself, not just a scattershot series of different angles on the same core but fuck, there are just so many words to write & edit
@aleksil79 @slimepriestess mmmm I missed this exchange at the time, glad to have found it months later
@myceliummage it's really good. I'm heading towards at least one book I mean there's already this, which is sort of a book malcolmocean.gumroad.com/l/how-we-get-t…
@myceliummage (& was written in a similar way, starting as something I expected to be an ordinary-length blog post (2-4k words for me) but then I just had more to say & more to say and wow man there's a lot to say. and it's STILL super dense. it could be 50k+ words instead of 21k, w examples)
@mechanical_monk what if Central Café but good tho
@slimepriestess @gptbrooke @RomeoStevens76 @IsoldeMoorey @the_aiju worth not pretending options don't exist, though I'm hoping you mean "not ones anyone (including me) is going to like"
> We are *all* inadequate to deal w the messes we created. twitter.com/HephaistosF/st…
@eshear ha, epic I like the opt-in quality
🎶 o holy night 🎵
I am the Ghost of Christmas Right The Fuck Meow
@ChrisChipMonk hm, could be a cause: "now it's worth farming because it's harder to hunt" or both from the same root, eg something like this vectorsofmind.com/p/the-snake-cu…
@utotranslucence @prodigygrimes (whether "somewhere" is a different city, or a different social circle in a city, or both)
Replying to @ChrisChipMonk
@ChrisChipMonk f yeah excited for you
demisexual but for wanting to have kids not "I want to have kids" in abstract but "I want to have kids with you"
going through slight internet withdrawal rn I think (I can feel this little mm! mm! check feed!) simply from being off my laptop all day for xmas... and unlike usual when there's enough happening in the slacks etc I'm on on my phone, they're quiet today
@sndwv_ mmm reminds me of the difference between "want not" and "not want"
@aleksil79 bit of both info withdrawal? novelty withdrawal? playing a video game wouldn't have satisfied it, so not just like, generic dopamine something... but scrolling reddit would
still some tickets left for my epic 5h New Years' Eve life-orienting workshops this weekend if you're in the Bay Area, DM me & @startuployalist—it's a virtual workshop but she's gonna host an in-person gathering in SF for this Saturday's session! intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
@startuployalist here's a thread about how we've evolved the workshop over the years:
feel free to ask Qs about it here too!
what other common ways of learning actually impede the process?
this book (by Gerald M Weinberg, whose other work I've enjoyed) was recommended by @dhh for learning how to > restate hard problems as simple ones seems relevant to @visakanv's "root of your problem is in another castle" thing amazon.com/Are-Your-Light…
@4confusedemoji @slimepriestess I am down to start, and see how far we can get.
@relic_radiation @visakanv Visa where did you get that obscure pic of me I thought I lost it on an old hard drive a few years ago!!
@tasshinfogleman the subtle significance of the difference between focusing on what you want vs focusing on what you don't want, from @visakanv ofc
@tasshinfogleman from @QiaochuYuan, I've learned how being exquisitely honest with the world is costly but utterly worth it and how, oddly, sometimes it's easier to be honest in public than in private
celeb example:
I used to think that "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be" but it turns out that time is finite and sometimes there are better things to use the truth for
@myceliummage what topic is the current writing? the first 4-5 posts are published already! start here: malcolmocean.com/2023/11/i-can-…
@myceliummage here's a summary of what the whole sequence will be about:
@Mihoda much smaller compartmentalization, as you might read about with Internal Family Systems or other therapies any time you "do something you don't understand"... that's a compartment! but the hemispheres are pretty fascinating. you might dig these threads:
@frideswyth @QiaochuYuan ehhh slightly, in the sense that people can block him and only interact if and when they want to, and fewer claws get through via text but I wouldn't quite describe us as 18-sigma psychic defenses even with the augmentations/advantages, nor as not bothered
> Thus, by trying to make us be "good", > "well-meaning" people implant the roots of "evil" in us itsa me, Waluigi!
@JakeOrthwein @Morphenius whoa cool, found the PDF this is from more context? digitalcommons.ciis.edu/cgi/viewconten…
@JakeOrthwein @Morphenius stoked for our call soon
@chercher_ai @train_of_oughts part of the issue, imo, is something about truth-telling & transparency in relation to untrustworthy/coercive agents the traveller's dilemma isn't a super good example of that, but yeah
@slimepriestess yup but you can point at the frameless place in words, as we're doing now and with phrases like "the only constant is change"
@FrankaMedic true enough!
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF ah, yep, nice
Replying to @HephaistosF
@HephaistosF @StupendousGrav1 yep, which is why my emphasis is on people learning to recognize their own distrust and move along gradients (or in bigger jumps) towards contexts where more trust is possible
@mounica_v8 @Morphenius @visakanv oh weird, must have hit backspace one too many times youtube.com/watch?v=NeN34r…
Replying to @jonas_hellman
@jonas_hellman echoes of words are not sound but unwound meaning in mind whose mind? who's mind?
Retweeted @QiaochuYuan
as a general comment, if someone is saying something that lands for you as "ignore or dismiss or override or skip over or…
@QiaochuYuan totally with two caveats (that I think you understand, but for others) 1. the key is you're telling the instruction, as it landed for you, to fuck off (they may have meant something else but it doesn't matter) 2. can start by slowing down:
Replying to @mecha_mantis
@mecha_mantis @QiaochuYuan @SeishinWrites yeah, the "you can" is a mix of "notice this option exists" and "you hereby have my social permission" so I would note that just because someone has QC's or my permission, doesn't mean they have permission from their actual social context
@meekaale uhhhhh what haha
@x1victorious so my trivial example here is that if you stand up and give a toast at your brother's wedding, where you say some weird shit that's maybe not even relevant to his wedding, you can destroy the vibes of the night, even though what you said was true
@x1victorious this is different from the possibility that the wedding might be a no-go when someone reveals the day before the wedding that the bridge has been sleeping with someone else
@AbstractFairy maybe I did
@aleksil79 @vajrakali @b0esium @kevinsimler @QiaochuYuan did you say you've been in touch with @vajrakali since they deactivated twitter? idk if you want to put us in touch but it might be nice
@responsiblparty @QiaochuYuan yeah I'm sure I can get a kindle one, I just like paper books a lot
@magicianbrain I have no idea but where my magic would go is towards whatever sense is present of not trusting myself to handle whatever-it-is that hasn't happened yet
what have people been noticing about the algo lately? I haven't done much "post link a few tweets down"
Replying to @zarhyas
@zarhyas did you ask for great wave off kanagawa or just get that for free?
leaning into my roots 🏴
@visakanv from my latest blog post, "I know what Knowing isn't" malcolmocean.com/2023/12/on-kno…
@visakanv @relic_radiation I'm wondering to what extent this exchange prompted me to explore a different space of my aesthetic
@visakanv @relic_radiation tho defs part of it was also prompted by watching The Secret of Kells last night
@Aella_Girl when I came out to my family as poly in 2014, they were skeptical in a sort of "huh, does that actually work?" way but not really judgmental I assured them it did, on the basis of a few long-time poly folks I knew who had kids etc
@Aella_Girl throughout my 20s I thought I was inherently poly, in a sort of fixed way but in my case—not saying all cases!—it turned out that it was mostly: a) I wanted to explore; if not poly I'd've been single/casual b) I hadn't met someone I thought was worth being exclusive with
@Aella_Girl was I "not really poly"? it would have been pretty offensive to say that to me at the time! was I "really poly" but now I'm not? was I "really poly" and still am, but happily poly-saturated at 1? just like my wife is still bi even tho she's monogamous with me, a dude?
@Aella_Girl what do you mean "not interested in others"? I could be interested in others, but choose not to cultivate that interest because I want what I get by folding my erotic energy consistently back into one relationship (which includes the ways that eros changes, & stable foundation)
@Aella_Girl examples of "active restriction"?
@Aella_Girl one friend, when I told her that I was now in a monogamous relationship, said "yeah I could tell from the way you hugged me" and I was like "huh... right. I wasn't flirting with you with my hips / didn't have my 2nd chakra open"
@Aella_Girl but again, that feels like a choice, in a sense? a practice not a difficult one at all, bc my priorities are clear, but like, I could switch it the other way very easily as a demonstration, like how I could kiss someone if there was an appropriate container for that, but I don't
@hormeze @Aella_Girl this is the correct Mu to this question
Retweeted @sashachapin
Befriending the void
@Aella_Girl somehow feels relevant to add that the same friend and I were naked in a hottub alone that same week, which wasn't at all at odds with my monogamy many monogs are unwittingly (or semi-wittingly) flirting-etc when they don't realize it, while having restrictions on legible stuff
life happens while you're making plans so if you're not making plans, your life won't happen!
@CountJ0ecool what if you had sadness/despair/pain, and joy at the same time? like what if you didn't have to give those up to find joy?
Retweeted @CountJ0ecool
being socially legible is a side-effect of being well-integrated, and not a terminal goal
@visakanv yuppp with intend.do & the (Beyond) Goals workshops, we have some stuff on planning, but we emphasize that often the coolest stuff happens unexpectedly when you're open to it but it usually meets you on the path, when you're out questing!
@Liber_Rex @saltwatercolour celts unite!
@goblinodds @eshear @visakanv how's progress on the agency-learning tool?
Retweeted @eshear
A good thread on how teaching Agency works in practice
@eshear a lot of the conversations in the coaching channels at our Beyond Goals workshops are like this! intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
@eshear (thread on that aspect of the workshops)
I realized that I was gravitating towards sorta more nepali/tibetan robes, since that's what I've often been able to find that suits my vibe, but I'd be into more celtic threads if I found 'em
@acidshill oof it's been 2.5y, you okay shill?
@natural_hazard gotta at some point rewrite this tweet; should say "worldviews" or "paradigms" not ontologies
@eshear @dumbreepicheep there was an article I saw awhile back that highlighted something useful for me, in relation to taxes "You Might Have Earned It, But Don’t Forget That Your Wealth Came from Society" wealth-creation happens in a context, not a vacuum. markets, suppliers,.
@eshear @dumbreepicheep another take: what it means to own something is in part a function of being able to protect it from others who might take it now, to a large extent, society itself (in the form of govt, culture,) plays that role.
@eshear @dumbreepicheep the implications of this are very unclear; we're still unfolding them experimentally
realized just now that: ,) = , etc.)
@eshear if someone ⅓-½ my size (kids) can go up stairs 1 at a time, I can go upstairs 2-3 at a time QED
@eshear agreed that it's weird it maybe follows naturally from her commitment to anti-racism being greater than her commitment to (academic) integrity/honesty? top priority is "anti-racism training for Harvard" implies rationalization of lack of integrity
@eshear such fools of course don't understand that anti-X training reifies X via the waluigi effect and creates more racists (while also more people at least paying lip-service to anti-racism)
@eshear @SarahAMcManus have you heard about the Boquila? contender for weirdest/coolest plant
@whstancil probably it's a bit of both maybe the economic conditions are the equivalent of the fuel/food the ideas need to be fertile like how it's easier for a person who is depressed and lonely to adopt ideas like nihilism
@eshear @jackfarrington yeah this is about avoiding the attack vector of someone telling you to educate yourself (not necessarily in those words) which usually means "go adopt my frame and so on and you'll see it my way" which... yes! but only if I want to
@eshear "met online" as in "talked a long time online before meeting in person", or as in "some app matchmade them and then they met in person shortly thereafter" curious if there's a difference re your happy couple friends (this data should also disambiguate!)
@acidshill shit. wondering if like... maybe time to grieve that that you (probably) isn't coming back... and ask like... who do I want to become, that feels plausible from here?
@acidshill (I'm not at all responsive to twitter reply-notifications so DM me if you want to talk more — I'm down)
@AskYatharth I think mine is better yours still maps onto objective-vs-subjective mine is highlighting what I think is a better distinction, not just a better frame on the old distinction
I used to think that "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be" but then I realized that anything that can be destroyed purely by the truth already has been
Thread · History beyond wars: pop music, religion, and prehistory
@AskYatharth @abhayance there's BEFORE to history than that but it's not recorded very well we have some clues, hints I am assuming you've read Preconquest Consciousness ranprieur.com/readings/preco…
@AskYatharth @abhayance there's also MORE to history that's often not found in "History" classes my fav history course, by an absurd margin, was MUSIC 140: Popular Music and Culture (UWaterloo). it was the history of pop music, from late 1800s slave & minstrel songs, thru jazz, rock, funk, hiphop
@AskYatharth @abhayance the thing is, I learned so much about the history of america, culture, the context of the wars, the depression, race relations, etc but all of it was relevant to my own life and experience, both because it was about people not battles, & because I could listen to the same songs!
@AskYatharth @abhayance if you search for "history" you'll often get war by default I vaguely associate this with some sense that not that many generations ago, the only people who got a history education were the upper class folks who would be military generals if need be idk if accurate tho
@AskYatharth @abhayance another issue is that eg most religions (and some political states) want to seem eternal, and/or don't want their internal narrative or origin story contradicted by historians digging up other authors from the same time & place
@AskYatharth @abhayance so yeah, as you realized, you kind of have to ask "history of what"? and if you want history of civilizations, what's the dimension you care about that's not about how the took over each other?
@AskYatharth @abhayance I'm very interested in the moral/philosophical/religious/coordination development of civilizations which last night had me reading about how Islam spread, and what Arabic religion looked like before it (some Judaism, Xianity, Zoroast., some polytheistic idol-worship)
this in part inspired by watching The Secret of Kells, set in ~900s Ireland, when the Church was starting to establish power compared to local celtic pagan traditions. those were my ancestors' indigenous cultures! and... they maybe included human sacrifice. hmm 😬😅
@GrantSlatton reminds me of Kevin Kelly commenting that he's intending to write some optimistic techno-future visions, that are worlds he can imagine wanting to live in in 10, 20, 30, 40, 50., years
@b8s3d @GrantSlatton wouldn't faces be helpful for solving crime? wait, huh, if you have full ubiquitous surveillance then I suppose you can instead just track where the criminal goes afterwards, indefinitely-ish, and just send cops to intersect
Retweeted @benlandautaylor
I have no interest in giving Wikipedia money to blow on fake jobs for ovecredentialed paper-pushers, but if the banner…
Replying to @benwr
@benwr I think the implication here is ummm it's not that this happened in the past but can't anymore, it's that by the time conscious agency is involved, either the truth being beheld has destroyed things already, or it'll destroy it only with truth + [your honesty & will to share it]
@benwr I'm not sure if this is coherent but it's interesting to me. it's my third tweet starting with > I used to think that "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be" but twitter.com/search?q=I+use…
I used to think that "that which can be destroyed by the truth should be" but it turns out that everything will be destroyed by the truth sooner or later, no "should" required
@DavidSartor0 haha nice. not wrong at all
original spin is the opposite of when you hurt yourself as a kid and then your mom kissed it better
@wurble totally! then as long as you have the time
@nickcammarata there is nothing outside the text and I do not trust the button
I don't push buttons that sound too good to be true and whose mechanism is unknown I might however pay a substantial amount of money for a device that gives me a way better feedback loop for untangling myself / meditating
@crash23001 look people are gonna push all sorts of buttons unthinkingly but not if it involves paying a bunch of money
Replying to @hotline_aguirre
@hotline_aguirre @nickcammarata loooool as opposed to "whatever actually happened to the Buddha" either way it's all fake fake fake. my enlightenment/awakening is not your enlightenment/awakening, is not the buddha's
@nosilverv your commentary is meta-coded
@TheAnnaGat long thread of me declaring that the words I am naturally using through the morphological rules of English are in fact words, red squiggle notwithstanding
@TheAnnaGat what was the word? people are so dictionary-cucked and spellcheck-cucked
@aneeshm fascinating 24 × 60 ≠ 60 × 24
Retweeted @reasonisfun
Rational persuasion is not about trying to get them to believe a particular thing. It’s about helping them look at diffe…
@itinerantfog ahhh beautifully put this is sort of what I'm trying to get at in my latest blog post malcolmocean.com/2023/12/on-kno…
@itinerantfog I subscribe
having ads in replies fucks with relevance SO BAD. it's offensive like the timeline is already a chaotic mess, inserting an ad in there isn't so bad. but in replies, argh.
maybe reply-based ads should have to be targeted, like the advertiser specifies a keyword that must appear in the original post/thread, so it can at least be slightly relevant
how much would it cost to make the moon have rings like saturn? uhhhh asking for a friend 🪐🌕
Thread · Taking "why can't we all just get along?" literally · 2 of 4 tweets
a huge chunk of my work could be described as de-rhetoricalizing the question "why can't we all just get along?" to take it seriously and give a thorough answer why can't we all just get along?
and no it's not because there isn't enough along to go around. there's plenty and we can make more. the issue is organizing it.
what if the ego isn't the I, it's the me
based
@JoshuAnansi yeah, one of the painful things about chattyg is watching it pretend to learn, when you know it can't
@JoshuAnansi (an apology is a kind of pretending to learn; repeating the right answer, not so much)
@AskYatharth I'm working on creating a religious community maybe
I've been in 2-3 things that were churches, really good churches in some ways, & one of the worst things about them was how they insisted they weren't churches I'm provisionally concluding that the way forward is to make a church (but good/non-dogmatic tho) that knows it's one
@KyleBowe4 yeah, and coordination challenges are challenges of trust & honesty and trust/honesty challenges are perspective-taking challenges and perspective-taking challenges are integration/differentiation challenges
@Ggodzmack go poop then! taking care of yourself is top priority
seems like a good Q for @xkcd / WhatIf?, tbh
got a theme for next year? or a vision? or a big goal, or plan, or project?
@billyisyoung you might like this post, which includes a suggestion to do something creative and show nobody malcolmocean.com/2015/11/just-d…
@lolalucxy Lucy flight 2024, this is air traffic control, please confirm your flight destination as we clear you for takeoff
@colonel_aronson schizo? seems obviously correct to me
may all beings get their shit together
@tasshinfogleman @dthorson @cherylshoe oh yeah I keep hearing Cheryl's name* and having the sense that it'd be good for us to talk (*not to be confused with Carol Xu)
@eshear @AskYatharth nice. @kathryndevaney was saying the other day that her version of buddhism considers advertisements intoxicants, and therefore to be avoided on the basis of the 5th precept would be neat if that could take off to the point of requiring accommodation under law
@DannyVidaud @AskYatharth I won't. We will.
@DannyVidaud @AskYatharth and not all at once, but as an ever-evolving unfolding
"the ever-evolving unfolding" is one of the names of God
Replying to @Brockhuman
relatedly,
@sandra_sobanska @johnsalvatier mmmm he is particularly in touch with this face of God, yes
Retweeted @heavenlycaprice
"I will be what I will be"
Retweeted @visakanv
one of the best things about the quote-tweet as a feature is that it allows you to weave together different people’s words in…
@OrphicCapital 5 minutes 😄👍 5 hours 🤩🤟 basically what we do at our New Years workshops intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
@OrphicCapital ahh wait you already know this! 😅
@tasshinfogleman can't find you (under Tasshin or any other name) hmu
might mess around and set the intention to always be working AT MOST one project at a time
Retweeted @karma_gardener
new year's metta
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
a thread about how we do live text coaching at the Beyond Goals workshops - dynamic & responsive organization! https://t…
@OrphicCapital I could see belief in 0% inheritax as also kind of hyperindividualistic (actually misread you as saying that at first) because it comes from the idea that a person's wealth simply is theirs and not ALSO everyone's ("simply everyone's" is also dumb)
@visakanv this is part of why:
collective spontaneity
would the current twitter API allow building a tinder-like interface for twitter, that shows you one tweet at a time and you swipe left or right? (obviously the challenge isn't about the specific UI, it's about whether you can access the feeds etc)
@OrphicCapital the power of the collective
@meditationstuff relevant to a bunch of stuff @Morphenius and I have been investigating (we speculate it's more recent, like ~10kya, The Fall, etc) youtube.com/watch?v=6Ykr2X…
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
I really liked the simplicity I found in this description of what a ritual is for! (this is a sneak peak of the new Bey…
@cube_flipper hysterical
@wfenza what about relationship panarchy? malcolmocean.com/2020/10/relati…
don't be friends with people on the hopes of dating them, if you wouldn't want to be friends with them if you knew that wasn't gonna happen
@SharksOnCouches @animalologist there's an adjacent piece of advice that IS good tho which is "don't be friends with people on the hopes of dating them if you wouldn't want to be friends with them if you knew that wasn't gonna happen" ehh here it is as its own tweet:
@utotranslucence ahhh, gotcha. I mean a tinder-like UI definitely ISN'T a feed in some sense (that's the whole point of building it) but it could definitely in some sense compete with the main functionality such bullshit. I pay $20/mo for twitter, you shouldn't need to show me ads
@QiaochuYuan wow, hadn't heard you describe her as "love of my life" before hits different
glorious thread twitter.com/eigenrobot/sta…
Replying to @eigenrobot
Thread · How 'these parts of twitter' splinters into sub-scenes as it grows · 1 of 13 tweets
glorious thread that says everything I'm trying to say but better twitter.com/eigenrobot/sta…
Replying to @eigenrobot
@eigenrobot yepppp
in this way, "tpot" is something else entirely if they were the same, you wouldn't have people constantly asking "what is tpot?" (given that they don't ask "what is this part of twitter?") there is now a really well-written answer to this question: twitter.com/eigenrobot/sta…
this is not to say "don't hang out with them, don't try to date them", but if a friendship isn't on the table, don't pretend it is own your desires more attractive anyway
damn it really has been 54 years since the unix epoch
what's a thing you once wanted (to have, or do, or be) that you now have... that you haven't paused to really celebrate and breathe into the new reality of? want to take a moment and do that now?
@tferriss in other words, if you must play a finite game, don't forget that it's finite (ie don't forget about the infinite game)
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
@tferriss in other words, if you must play a finite game, don't forget that it's finite (ie don't forget about the infin…
@Vveeveeanna @mimi10v3 I tried something pretty close to that and it was a shitshow
@mimi10v3 strong agree. (with some edge-cases, but "think twice" basically covers that. it's not "don't")
Replying to @abhayance
@abhayance yeah that was my thought too; rather than pipe it through the API, consume the twitter frontend directly way more fragile in some ways, but it's all right there
last chance to sign up for this weekend's Beyond Goals Intensive workshops, if you want an "effortless container" (@abhayance's words) for orienting to 2024 before the year begins exercises to explore ✍️ coworking 🍅 pondering the big questions 🤔💭 live support from coaches ❤️🔥
You flow downhill (and you can sculpt the hill) Sculpting the hill is way easier than trying to fight gravity. Make it so that what you want to happen is the default! malcolmocean.com/2016/06/you-fl…
If you simply sign up & show up, suddenly the default thing that will happen this weekend is that you'll spend 5 hours oriented towards how to make 2024 your best year yet! 🚀 —without having to try at all. Here's the link: intend.do/event/bgi?tw=m…
and maybe at some point in those hours, you will get stuck. but if/when that happens, you won't be alone with it. we can sit with you in the muck, do chemical analysis on its makeup, or help dig you out here's what that looks like:
this was part of how I realized averages were fake I was tracking how much I read each day that year and heading into December it was maybe 10m/day but then I read so much during the festive perenium that the average went up to 15 or something like that
@HeidiPriebe1 mmm yeah this is helpful as I think about how we've been overhauling our workshops from Goal-Crafting to Beyond Goals goals are really powerful, but can also kinda get you tunnel-visioned, and this proverb helps you see the bounds of the game
@HeidiPriebe1 so far we've kinda been doing the reverse though, I suppose in trying to make goals do everything, rather than seeing them as one tool, we then had to define "goal" quite spaciously (without the clear stakes/rules/quitting)
@slimepriestess replying to help :)
@AskYatharth just watch me lol
Retweeted @AskYatharth
projections are a sign to take more distance — not because the person is bad, but because the connection to the part of ou…
realizing that not-listening to myself snowballs. if I (eg) check twitter consciously, it's not hard to then log off when I feel like it. but if I end up on here by accident, against some other intention... then it's like the rest of me gangs up on ignoring that intention 😮
@jessicamalonso huh this parallels a realization I've been having on a tiny scale about my own intentions
@jessicamalonso yess
Retweeted @SarahAMcManus
Have we found the secret third thing that synthesizes "setting goals" and "just vibing"? Find out at our Beyond Goals w…
"I have realized that fear is not going to kill me."
this is so cool twitter.com/recursed_/stat…
@TylerAlterman I like it and think there's a version of it that's very mature or good or whatever but I'm guessing you're identifying that there's currently a immature element, that's indeed trying to fuck with the person, and it'd be more fun for all if you were just like "ok, infinite game!"
Replying to @qchurious
@qchurious you might like Don Jon, which is both directly related to this thematically and also surprisingly wholesome
ohhhhh or another way to describe what's going on is I end up in a weird trap where I can't smoothly follow any new ideas because I have something else I'm supposed to be doing, but I'm also not doing that something, so no degrees of freedom
beautiful big list but I swear most of what I have to do is just not try to do more than 1 thing at once
@tweethue the new dimmer switch features are cool but why can't I use the press-and-hold for anything other than turning stuff off? would be great for activating party mode or picking a particular scene!
@4confusedemoji my current "one weird trick" isn't quite as simple as "do one thing at a time". slightly better summary (/where I got it from) is this tweet by Romeo:
@4confusedemoji and it's ofc not that simple either, but there is a spirit to it and when I follow that spirit, things feel really sensually simply good a la youtu.be/baXQzPpDZwU
@wholebodyprayer nah it's a great list tho you could try reframing all of them as towardsy eg "stop lying to yourself" becomes "be absurdly honest with yourself" hits diff tho, "stop lying" is maybe more powerful
@yashkaf @eigenrobot I kinda like this otoh, integrity involves not just not literally lying but not knowingly allowing others to persist in confusions about what to expect of you
Retweeted @Malcolm_Ocean
last chance to sign up for this weekend's Beyond Goals Intensive workshops, if you want an "effortless container" (@abha…
Feedback Loops Rule Everything Around Me
panic comes from a sense of "I'm supposed to do something and I don't know what" which is sort of inherently bullshit
remember that you don't have a right to be trusted by anyone
did you know that you're free to fuck up your life and disappoint everybody?
ooooh Loch Kelly made an app with lil meditation prompts his whole vibe is "effortless mindfulness", based on Dzogchen & Mahamudra very noncoercive vibes, playful experiments lochkelly.org/mindful-glimps…
Retweeted @danielbrottman
the Beyond Goals Intensive hosted by @IntendApp was extremely worth it and i highly recommend it. 5 hours flew by shock…
@danielbrottman @QiaochuYuan @SarahAMcManus @Morphenius 🤟❤️🔥🌊
@danielbrottman idk why you delinked the link but here it is for anyone who wants to be able to click it: intend.do/event/bgi?tw=d…
Thread · Beyond Goals Intensive: reworking the Goal-Crafting workshop · 1 of 11 tweets
the reviews are coming in...! link: intend.do/event/bgi?tw=d…
Replying to @Samantha1989TV
@Samantha1989TV yeah that sounds like a better plan, I agree! you're free to do that too, if you like it more!
double-binds as a means of liberation
@earnonymity then you're free to flip that table and disappoint them too
tweeting out-of-context bangers from the coaching channels
I would simply not be an average person
Replying to @eigenrobot
@eigenrobot also a lot of things like this, even when they aren't fake, are still averages that do not in fact apply to everybody
it is not virtuous to let someone persuade you of something that your intuition thinks is stupid/gross/bad/absurd/irrelevant twitter.com/eigenrobot/sta…
what if zoom had a feature that accommodated multiple people being in the same room, by making their audio not play out of each others' computers?
@Alyss_Turner what if your intuitions were right and the arguments were persuasive but ungrounded? there exist bad arguments that are persuasive, where the "facts" aren't even wrong, but they're bad because they're framed in a sort of twisty way that hooks into some fear or guilt
I want Hymn To Breaking Strain but techno tho Rudyard Kipling's glorious poem about the pain of being human and building and failing ...if you can produce this I will sing on it! youtube.com/watch?v=pEwxgu…
people make better decisions when choosing between 3+ options rather than an either/or
Replying to @benwr
finally found again this beautiful illustration of the process of embracing your shadows "About fear" by Cécile Carre works better on instagram where you view each of 6 panes one at a time, but I wanted to share it here anyway
here's the instagram link: instagram.com/p/B8y2Tk5H4KO/…
keywords for future searching: shadow work integrating the shadow mental move demon feeding your demons embracing fear befriending fear french artist
@timoshando no I'm actually quite serious! often it works better to have everybody on their own device, for typing/camera/breakout reasons, but there's limited physical space
@pauljeffries @WKCosmo Peter Singer might say that, but he's confused about ethics; altruism is unwholesome (kindness is wholesome, but not sacrificing your own joy & abundance) fucking other peoples' wives, something Peter Singer probably also did, also unwholesome
@pauljeffries @WKCosmo if your concept of what's good to do involves negating or ignoring your own drives & desires, you are making a very fundamental confusion. those are the very place from which goodness comes from—the question is just how to create win-wins between people
@WKCosmo this is a gobsmacking combination of mid & cope would honestly make a fantastic case study of people using "ethical" reasoning to undermine peoples' sense of what's obviously good. obviously having your own kids is good! if not possible, alternatives may do! cc @Morphenius